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Standing invitation to C24 chair and fact finding commission to travel to Falklands
The Falklands government repeated on Tuesday its standing invitation to any current or future chair of the UN Decolonization Committee to visit the Islands and reiterated it welcomes any fact finding commission the C24 wishes to send. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesClear bias from the committee. what exactly are they frightened of - that they might see first hand that the islanders live in peace, arent Argentine and want to remain British?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0these people just dont want to face the facts and they make themselves look farcical and totally biased.
Sad really.
The Falklanders should do more of this type of thing.
In principle..you can not negotiate anythings with a government from UK Commonwealth Group,, who have not final authority on foreign relations.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The C24 is just a den of iniquity, completely biased and arguably showing the hallmarks of a corrupt south american or african government institution. It doesn't even seem to do anything other than provide a forum for Argentina to scream about how it hates self-determination, while ignoring the security council and not signing up to the ICJ/ICA.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's just faggotry of the utmost proportions. Well done Ban Ki-moon on presiding over this furkshow.
@2
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklanders need to do more themselves to press their case. They should be actively engaging with the Brazilians etc. and I'm really not sure why they are not doing this.
In principle... you can not negotiate with a government from Argentina... when it states in their constitution that its against their own law to negotiate.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There can be no negotiations with a country that refuses to negotiate it even though it seeks it, there is nothing quite as retarded as Argentine logic.
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Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find, that this comes down to expeience,
Perhaps some cannot be trusted,
If the islanders lack this mode, it could well backfire.
But of course nothing stops them from requesting this,
And just ignore they fools that say, the islanders can’t do nothing without our say so,
If they believe that [and they don’t]
They may well be Argentinean now.
Some people just cannot be trusted,
.
@5
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then it has to be clearly known that the Falklanders themselves have tried to engage with the Rg's but that the Rg's refuse to listen.
At the minute the Rg's can say and do what they like and they get the sympathy vote. however the Islanders themselves, with tactics from the foreign office have an awful lot of superb PR to do here, an opportunity that as yet they have not taken.
wouldnt it be great if the UK govt could stand up at the UN and say that the Falkland islanders had tried to talk with the Rg govt but that they had totally ignored them. wouldnt it be great if just 1 member of the Brazilian govt walked away from the FI saying that he never knew what it was like on the islands and how nice the people are etc.
at the minute virtually no one in south america knows anything about the FI - EXCEPTING WHAT THE RG's tell them - which is a totally false picture.
5# Argentina will negociate the interest of the islanders, but the sovereignty dispute is bilateral, bilateral means bi = 2, lateral = sides...ergo 2 sides and the UN says that 2 sides are argentina and the UK...
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the UK cannot pretend to have a territory being 14.000 miles of distance...
If the UK says Iran is evil because Iran do not respect the UN resolutions then the UK is exactly the same than Iran because the UN call them to negociate and the UK refuse to it...
7 The Cestrian
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have been saying this for ages, and if im correct, the islanders are slowly getting there voice, and branching out,
But must tread very carefully,
Life is very hard, with a very nasty and greedy wolf at the door .
8 Searinox
you may be slightly confused,
we live in a very bad world, with nasty people and goverments,
CFK would fly to the moon, to get the falklands, and once she, or any argie goverment gets them
then its game over..is it not .
( 5 )
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do Britain has written constitutional law matters ..?????
10
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Define please,
You know in the real world nothing is simple, when you have a law abiding country, going against a law breaking country.
As [5] says quiet rightly you cannot talk to a concrete block.
Unless you know any different .
@9
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree that this has to be done really well but you have the masters of diplomacy rooting for you and advising you - the UK.
youre missing a trick at the minute by not engaging yourselves. Engage with the whole of south america; leave the UK out of it and lets see where you end up.
It will catch the RG's and the SA's totally off guard.
the RG's want to talk to the UK but the UK doesnt and shouldnt talk with them. You should be putting pressure on the Rg's to talk and they will be absolutely uncomfortable with this and it will totally flummox them.
@6 It's the only thing they can do, which is to outline the fact that the UN is not listening or interesting in listening to the peoples of a particular entity. The chair is from ecuador so quite likely to be massively biased, hence it's not unusual that no one has visited, simply it exposes the hallmarks of corruption and bias.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 It goes against the Argentinian constitution to enter into negotiations that include sovereignty of the islands. It's not for the Argentinians to decide how many groups are involved, because they walked out of negotiations last time.
The UK can have a territory anywhere they want, just like France has French Guyana and Islands in the Indian Ocean, Norway has islands near the Antarctic, USA has Guam and Chile has Easter Island.
Argentina refused to abide by binding Security Council Resolutions 502 and 505, it also refuses to register the jurisdiction of the ICJ/ICA. Nestor Kirchner walked out of UN-proposed negotiations going against the spirit of the UN resolutions. Argentina decided to negotiate by arms in 1982 and lost the negotiations. Tell me any binding UN Resolution that the UK has not followed?
Thanks, argtard.
@8
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no way that anyone in any walk of life will enter into a conversation where it starts and end with one of the parties getting what they want.
If you do not understand this then you simply dont want to.
your constitution in this respect is totally juvenile and no one in the adult world will talk to anyone with such pre conditions. now you have bene told this over and over but you simply will not listen.
you RG's need to go away, rethink your strategy and totally change your way of thinking.
I very much doubt that the FI would ever change their views but your stance at the minute is totally counter productive not only to the FI but also to the whole of SA.
@14
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK Requirements
UKR 1: Self-determination for the people of falklands as per UN charter (Fixed)
UKR 2: No ethnic cleansing as per International Criminal Court (Fixed)
Falklands Requirements
FR 3: Want to remain British as per status quo (Fixed)
Argentinian Requirements
AR 1: Sovereignty of the islands without self-determination (Fixed)
AR 2: All resources of the islands (Fixed)
Outcome of negotiation: FAIL, all requirements are fixed.
So what are the Argentinians hoping to achieve in negotiations? more argtard failure?
( 11 )
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the UK has been never Law abiding country,becouse it has no any constitutional law matters..why ?...that's simple that it is always colonial power...should not have written law matters to avoid from controls on the likely deviated and extreme actions at its colonies.
In other words that you can never judge the colonial actions in England.
Merely ,you can carry them into the International Law..
@15
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As we would both hold to we do not want the RG's to keep on getting the support of everyone whilst the FIG gets none. I have faith that the foreign Office can come up with a strategy that involves the FIG making more of themselves in SA.
If the oil comes about then they are in a superb position to involve everyone in SA bar the RG's. As we both know money talks.
the RG's need to be isolated and the FI take more of a role in S once they have something really concrete to offer the continent.
the RG's are utterly shit at politics. Its from the school yard playground but at the minute it works because it is a one sided conversation.
the RG's will never get the islands - we do know that - but that doesnt stop the FIG getting on with the rest of south america.
they should shout loud and proud about who they have contacted what the response has been and how they are a peaceful territory who have one wish - to get on with the Brazilians, chileans etc.
The Rg's will be fucking fuming if they see the Islanders reaching out to say Brazil or Uruguay.
I'm not a diplomat, I dont know what the tactic should be but so far this has been utterly one sided. Its time to even the diplomacy up and start to put pressure on not only the Rg's but also the rest of SA.
15# it doesnt matter what the UK, islanders or argentina says, its about what the UN says, and the UN says there most be negociations and self determination is not applied...
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islanders can be british but as the rest of the british who are living in argentina, being british doenst mean to being ruled by the UK, as the british in others countries are not ruled by the UK neither...
The UN said it is a sovereignty dispute between 2 countries, not self determination dispute, and every organism told that,
you said argentina broke the UN resolution, we didnt the military junta did it...you cannot blame a society because of the actions of a dictatorship...
when it suits them, in 1982 we were a dictatorship, and when it doesn't suits them, dictatorship is the same than democracy...
@18
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0utter shit.
unfortunately you cannot re-write history as you do with this. your military junta was Argentine. It was backed by the people who celebrated when they invaded the FI. you had a responsibility to get rid of the junta ie the Rg people and you never did it until the war was lost. you cannot and will not be allowed to re-write history to make it look as though you were not an accomplis in this/.
the Un has never, ever said that self determination does not apply and you know that only too well. Unfortunately you make this up as you go along and then get pulled up by us UK bloggers who know the score.
@16
Utter shit.
the Uk is the oldest democracy in the world and gave the rest of the world the steer on how its done. we have stood against the Nazis - alone - and would do so again if necessary.
your portrayal of Argentine as some sort of paragon of virtue is ludicrous.
whilst colonialism by the Uk has had its low points it also had its high points such as creating the biggest democracy in the world - india and also the most powerful one - the USa.
the Uk has been a world leader in almost every sport or invention in the modern world including the invention of the computer, the concept of artificial intelligence spurred on by the likes of alan turing and a whole host of things.
when your President says things such as the UK has 10 of the remaining 16 colonies in the world remember a couple of things:
1. they wish to remain that way ie they are not forced to be colonies, and
2. its actually quite a compliment.
As it stands the Uk is now doing what it has always done, stand up for the little people of the world. We will continue to do so.
@17 You're right in both points, the best way forwards is to push the messaging of 'we're peaceful and Argentina is crapping on us, but we're going to be dignified'. Victimisation just makes you look a tit and doesn't even convince a child.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's been said before, Argentina brings nothing to the table, other than less whinging. It's offering the islanders absolutely nothing at all, just a dictatorship and annexation of a country with a massive amount of corruption, huge levels of poverty and a horrible crime problem. What's it actually bringing to a negotiation table? I've asked before, but none of the Le Camping Argtards ever want to say.
@18 The UN never said that self-determination isn't applied, because it's a key part of their charter. Show me the GA or SC resolution where it states that it's not going to be applied, give your source.
The islands are in no way Argentinian. That's a simple fact. You don't even have administration over them, and under international law you lost them when you chose to negotiate by war and lost (uti posseditis).
Again, the UN says that all territories should be decolonized. Annexation of a territory to another country is colonisation, therefore going against the letter and the spirit of the decolonisation process. Show me where the UN says that colonisation is within its purpose.
You cannot separate the military junta from Argentina, the people on the streets supported the war, and you ignored the UN on two occasions. We can and will blame the Argentinians for this, because it was a popularly supported move. Show me where millions of Argentinians didn't hit the streets to celebrate the invasion the islands. Even today you celebrate the invasion of the islands and you claim you're a democracy.
Please respond to my queries, thanks argtard.
19# Celestrian, i bet you to sanction argentina because of the war...maybe that way you'll see you cannot blame society because of a bunch of militars...
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has 40 millions of inhabitants...or would you say all the germans are nazis too?
and Did you know that self determination is between the colonizer and colonized? then why does the UN ask for argentina's permission to solve this dispute if they have self determination...
Why does the UN keeps saying the only way to solve it is by bilateral negociations if they have self determination?
If it says its a bilateral dispute between argentina and the UK, then the islanders have no voice, ergo no self determination...
or are you that arrogant to think you are right and the world is wrong?
Sears - when has the UN said self -determination does not apply? Must have missed that one. There is no dispute apart from the one you dream up.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grow a spine and wake us up when you have it. Powerless surrender monkies that you are.
22# then why the UN doesnt recognize them? why the UN keeps saying to negociate?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its that simple...the UN resolutions said the only solutions are bilateral negociations between argentina and the UK...not between argentina and the islanders or the UK and the islanders...
21 Searinox
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the main reason, we are right, and you guys are wrong,
is because you never listen,
we try to help and defend the falkland islanders, they choose to be british, , and one day they may well become independent,
they will slowly stretch their legs and be more active in south america,
you guys on the other hand, want to tie them up, refuse rights, and then kick them out,
thats what you call democracy .
we call this dictatorship .
the only arrogant people are the argie goverment,
@21 We're waiting for responses to the above queries.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) When did the UN GA or SC say that self-determination did not apply?
b) When did the UN say its purpose was to annex territories to third-party nations or colonisation?
c) Where is your proof that Argentina is not still celebrating the start of a popular invasion of the falklands territories which went against UN SCR 502?
d) Where is the proof that Nestor Kirchener didn't walk out of negotiations with the UK over resource sharing in the falklands, going against the recommendations of the UN GA resolutions?
and while you're at it:
e) what is Argentina bringing to the negotiation table?
'21
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the UN ask for this because you keep on bleating on about it. If the Rg's have a problem then given the right circumstances the UK/FIG would talk to them but not at a position where it starts and ends with Rg sovereignty. thats a ludicrous and extremely childish place to start and no government in the world would do that.
My question to you is this. The UK has told you that they will only negotiate with the RG's if the Fi want them to. that clearly implies that you RG's have to talk to the FIG. Until you do that nothing will happen. why havent you talked with the FIG?
It is extremely hypocritical to brain wash your children into believing that on the Fi the population is Rg held at the point of a gun and then to refuse to negotiate with what in effect, and under your version of events, is your own people, but then again very little of the Rg argument makes sense.
Stamping your feet, crying and shouting time and time again will get you nowhere.
Its high time you recognise the FIG and started talking to it. talking to the Uk isnt the starting point and the UN should really know this.
@23 Searinox, are you going to answer the queries you created?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 024# read the UN charter and the UN resolutions about this thread, and maybe someday you'll see you are wrong...
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#25 a) UN resolution 2065 bilaterl dispute of sovereignty between argentina and the UK (not falkland blabla)
b)the UN doesnt recognize a thir nation, there are 2 argentina and the UK recognize in the UN resolutions from the UN GA
c) the judgement to the civilians and military related to the dictatorship between 1976 - 1983
d) Nestor Kirchner walk out of those negociations because it wasnt for the survival of the islanders but to trade the resources of a territory under dispute...and the UK keep doing it violating the UN resolution 31/49 no unilateral actions by any party
@28
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the UN has it wrong. the Uk has said that this discussion begins and ends with the Islanders themselves. The Un should be asking for talks between the FIG and the Argentine govt. however the Un wont because they have no bottle.
Nestor walked out not because he didnt want the Islanders to have any resources but because he wanted more of them. He walked away thinking that the Rg's would be called back and give na bigger slice of the cake but the FIG and the Uk basically shrugged their shoulders and got on with it.
Stop being so childish. Talk to the FIG.
29# JAJA the UN is wrong? you see how ignorant you are? you ask for a right from the UN and when the UN told you it is not applied you say you dont care of it? cuac
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) UN resolution 2065 is from 1965 and was nullified and voided by the 1982 war and your refusal to abide by UN SCR 502. It makes no mention of self-determination being put on hold. Where does the GA or SC mention that for the Falklands self-determination is not relevant?
b) The UN recognises 2 nations, the administering nation and the newly self-governing nation. Where does it discuss the transfer of sovereignty to a third-nation as a colonising process?
c) Regardless of the Junta in 1982 where people lined the streets to celebrate the popular war, where can you prove that in 2012 the Argentinians are not celebrating a popular invasion of the Falklands under a 'democracy' as you call it?
d) The unilateral action of walking out of UN-promoted negotiations by Nestor Kirchner removed the need for the FIG to involve Argentina in further negotiations. UN resolution 31/49 is irrelevant because Argentina unilaterally started a war through invasion and unilaterally walked out of negotiations on resources. How is this unilateral when Nestor Kirchner and Argentina refused to negotiate, and you unilaterally started a war?
e) What is Argentina bringing to the negotiation table?
Please answer the questions, we await your response.
@30
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Youre just not listening are you?
Talk to the FIG.
Its high time the UN insisted on this instead of bringing the Uk into it. why do you want to talk to the UK? why havent you asked the Un to sponsor talks between the RG's and the FIG?
there is absolutely nothing to stop you. nothing.
here's the conversation for you:
RG's: “UN, we note that the Uk has said that the opening discussion over the FI is to have a discussion with the FIG, we would like to have this discussion please and then move on to the Brits if we get anywhere”.
UN “ new resolution passed that the FIG has to talk to the Rg's”.
Sounds like one of the easiest things ever to take to the UN.
do it....
@30 Searinox, we're all waiting for you to actually answer the questions with fitting responses.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 031# i want you to tell how does the UN resolution 2065 was nullified when even the same year (1982) and all the years since then until now the UN keeps saying both countries have to negociate?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly you dont know how self determination means dont you?
To have self determination the islanders would have their own voice, so explain me why the UN keeps saying it is a bilateral dispute between the UK and argentina and not mentions the islanders?
b) the UN resolutions express 2 nations argentina and the UK, read it...
c) i told you the military and civilians that made that dictatorship were and are still being judged and argentina never starts a war in democracy...
d) wrong, unilateral actions means every action which both countries were not agreed, one part (argentina) was not agreed which means the UK have no legal way to do it...
and i told you a society cannot be blame for the actions of a dictatorship...do you know what dictatorship means? because maybe you dont...
e) argentina will negociate everything to protect the way of living from the islanders and their interests...
32#
The UN said the only solutions is bilateral negociations between the UK and argentina, i told you read the UN resolutions it will be better
Why do you Argies always quote treaties and resolutions that you either, break, ignore,
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or just dismiss when it suits you .
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35# if you came again with the dictatorship i already explain it, and the rest of the agreements were broke by the UK when they start trading natural resources from a disputed zone, which is forbidden...
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 It's not disputed, you made a unilateral decision not to be involved. We were negotiating over resources and you unilaterally decided to walk out of negotiations.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's your issue.
37# i told you unilateral actions is when one country does not respect a share agreement...
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and we respect all the agreements, the UK didnt do it when starts trading natural resources without argentina approval...
38, full stop
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 a) Nestor Kirchener walked out of negotiations over oil and fish resources in the region. The UK was upholding any UN resolution, and Nestor Kirchener unilaterally walked out of negotiations. There could be no agreement because of Argentina, leaving the FIG to act independently. The UK and the FIG abided by the UN resolution, Argentina did not.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0b) the UN says that the administering power and the self-governing territory should be involved in decolonisation, NOT a third party that desires the self-governing territory. Where does the UN talk about transfer of sovereignty? Where does it discuss suspension of the charter with regards to self-determination?
c) In 2012 the Argentinians celebrated the start of the 1982 Invasion of the Falklands which resulted in UN SCR 502 and 505 being ignored. How can you say it was not a popular war when the start of it is still being celebrated?
d) Nestor Kirchner took the only unilateral action when he decided he didn't want to negotiate as per the UN resolution. This makes Argentina at fault, NOT the UK or the FIG.
e) What exactly is Argentina bringing to the negotiation table? It doesn't have control of the territory, the people, nor the resources, nor de facto control, so what is it bringing to the table?
Can you please try to answer at least one of the questions, because so far you have failed to answer one of them.
Thanks.
38 Searinox
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you cannot answer the truth,
you have lost, you know you have lost, and you cant even justify it,
you come back with rubbish, either answer the questions,
or we will take it that you fully agree that the islands are british, and you were just being indocrinated.
ok.
40# it is not unilateral action not to be agree with something...an unilateral action is to do something without both approval...and the UK violated it when starts trading fishing and now exploring for oil...
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0b)im tired of telling you this READ THE UN RESOLUTIONS...its taht simple, if you dont read it then you like to be an ignorant...
c) tell me when do we celebrate the invasion all these years?
d)Argentina is not required to acept to negociate trading natural resources...because thats our resources, you are saying we most to acept to share our resources with you? no UN resolution or UN right say that...
e) i answer all of them, but you keep asking the same, because you dont want to read the UN resolutions...
Argentina accept to respect the way of living of the islanders and their interests...
@41 I've asked him the same questions 4 times now, and he's not even been able to answer one of them with any measure. I mean, seriously... is this how argtards argue their point, by just getting all flaky and talking about the junta, as though they're not still celebrating going to war?!?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Yeh, the junta started the war, and it wasn't popular, even though millions were in the streets excited about it, and we're so upset about the war, even though we're really happy about the war, and celebrate it's start date and refer to all the invaders as 'protagonists' and heroes.“
like seriously... what is that?
you respect nothing,
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you did, you would leave them alone.
you are just after the oil,
you know it, we know it, CFK knows it, and so does the world,
@42 You've failed to answer the questions. I've read the resolutions and they say nothing about what I asked. You're officially a bit sh!t.
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The facts:
a) The UN never said that self-determination doesn't apply to the Falklands. Argentina said it, because Argentina hates self-determination.
b) The UN never talks about transferring/annexing/colonising an administered territory to a third power, as this goes against the Charter of the UN. The UN talks about decolonising, i.e. giving the Falklands independence.
c) You celebrated the start of the invasion of the falklands today. You still celebrate this popular war, because it was popular, and not as a result of a Junta.
d) Nestor Kirchner took unilateral action to cease negotiations, the UK/FI then were perfectly in their rights to choose to develop the resources with Argentina in absentia.
e) Argentina brings nothing to the negotiation table.
These are the answers to the questions I asked. Feel free to read them, learn them and stop saying things you apparently know nothing about.
Get over it, furkface.
43# we argue our point in the UN and the UK never could win us on debate...thats why there are many resolutions in favour of negociations... so if our arguments are bad then i dont imagine the british ones which they always lose
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can only assume that your brain washing is complete or you are completely fucking dense because you evade every single question put to you.
“Argentina accept to respect the way of living of the islanders and their interests”.
what a load of utter fucking shit. do you think we are all fucking as stupid as you. you would have them off the island within a week. La Campora would see to that as their first priority.
“Argentina is not required to acept to negociate trading natural resources...because thats our resources, you are saying we most to acept to share our resources with you? no UN resolution or UN right say that.”
they are not your resources. they have never been your resources, arent and never will be. there is no dispute over the islands except in your own tiny minds. you gave up any right to any claim on the islands in 1850 - another agreement that you refuse to respect.
now talk to the FIG like a good lad and see where it gets you. you have never abided by a UN Resolution yet so there is no reason why you keep on harping on about them.
the Un told you to get off the islands in 1982 when you illegally invaded sovereign territory of another nation and you refused to do it. We spoke with Nestor about the resources and he walked away from it. you walk away from everything and you are simply not to be trusted about anything.
i didnt evade any question, maybe you are too much idiot to understand them...
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tell you what...in June CFK will go to the C-24 and as every year the UK and the islanders will put thei point of view...
So after that i will came to this forum again and you'll see AGAIN how the UN doenst recognize the self determination...ok?
@43 Which debate? The one where Timmerman showed a university weather radar in the worlds most badly packed powerpoint? Are you joking?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me a recent GA or SC resolution that mentions the Falklands negotiations from after Nestor Kirchner unilaterally left negotiations?
The fact is, everything Argentina says in the UN undermines the UN charter. Your talk is all about recolonisation, so I can hardly see why you think you won a debate in the UN. In addition, you typically ignore UN demands and suggestions, by walking out of negotiations as an example.
You don't even recognise the jurisdiction of the ICJ and ICA.
So how is the UN relevant?
what, you ask for a UN right and now you ask how relevant is the UN?
Apr 03rd, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its dinner time in here so i will come this forum after the declaration of the UN about the islands...and you'll see how the UN denied self determination to the islanders in front of their delegation ok? see you soon
@48
Apr 04th, 2012 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“we argue our point in the UN and the UK never could win us on debate”.
Yes you are right. how could anyone possibly win a debate with a nation that has as the debating point “give us what isnt ours, now or we'll cry about it”.
there is no fucking point in debating such an issue with you.
“So after that i will came to this forum again and you'll see AGAIN how the UN doenst recognize the self determination...ok”?
WTF?
you signed the fucking UN charter man that has as one of its first point the right of every person on Planet Earth to self determination.
Remember that the nearest there is to an indigenous population on the islands is British. there has never factually been an indigenous population on the falklands but what there is now is the nearest there is to one - you know, Argentines being held at the point of a gun by the Uk military - LOL.
Honestly look back on your posts on this thread - all of them absolutely fucking cringeworthy. Infantile.
@The Cestrian
Apr 04th, 2012 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK has told you that they will only negotiate with the RG's if the Fi want them to. that clearly implies that you RG's have to talk to the FIG. Until you do that nothing will happen. why havent you talked with the FIG?”
You are wrong, UK (a sovereign nation) cannot tell Argentina (another sovereign nation) what to do its that simple.
UK as the party enveloped disputing sovereignty over the rocks should sit with Argentina to arrange a civilised way to return the Islands to Argentina.
Then you can desire if you want to be British and go back to Britain or remain under Argentinians law.
Meanwhile UK keeps its intransigence none will blame Argentina to use military force again to exercise her rights to defend her legitimate interest.
So my question is why delaying what would be inevitable?
From my point of view if Argentina wants these Islands back should fight another war against UK and I will personally include Ascension Islands in the menu.
So instead of paying close to 4b to IMF for doing nothing that would be expended on weapons.
no disrespect here, but 50 Searinox
Apr 04th, 2012 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0you sound just like that CFK in that video thats going arround,
itts like talking to a recording .
52
not true and you know it,
you have no claim at all, and CFK just imagings most of what she says,
she is losing support daily .
@50 let's look at it this way, which aspects of the UN does the UK and Argentina engage with.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0UN Charter - UK signed, ARG disagrees (self-determination)
UN GA - UK abides by decisions, ARG doesn't (Nestor unilaterally left negotiations)
UN SC - UN abides by decisions, ARG doesn't (UNSCR 502 & 505)
UN ICJ - UK accepts jurisdiction, ARG doesn't
UN ICA - UK accepts jurisdiction, ARG doesn't
UN C24 - UK does not engage with, ARG does (discussion of colonisation)
So basically the only part of the UN that Argentina has any joy for is the C24 which it uses to discuss colonising other people's territories, which is completely against the UN remit.
It's time this committee was wound up and it's time that Britain, the US, France and others move to do this.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why isn't Kaliningrad Oblast on their agenda? Maybe it should be presented. That would get Russia vote to move on suspending the C24! I'm sure China presents plenty of examples, starting with Tibet! China is a huge Empire, there are lots of constituent parts just waiting to break off. The C24 may be interested in all or some!
The C24 is like FIFA full of corruption and vested interests. Just like FIFA it can be broken with the right weight applied in the right place. Some of the clowns sitting on the committee need to have their lives examined.
Argentina didn't support the war, but the Junta did? So, let's say Argentina had won the war and obtained the islands: if the Junta then collapsed, would you have returned the islands to the islanders, or kept them? If you'd have kept them, you supported the war, end of story.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0The policy of harassment of Cristina to the islands will not work if you really want to reach an agreement on long-term sovereignty we must integrate them so that the islanders interact with us. What makes Cristina is nothing but hate cause the islanders and so never reach anywhere. There should be integration policies as scholarships and remove the blockage. Should be added that Cristina is doing not only demagoguery, Cameron also has internal problems and one way or another also makes use of demagoguery, they both use it serves to deflect other important topics.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You only have to look at the C24 membership to know that it is a complete joke and a celebration of crass stupidity.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do what you want cause a pirate is free.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0hms dauntless can shoot down your entire airforce
Yar har fiddle dee
The islanders are free and i cant write songs
Yar har fiddle dee
Pirates are free and cool
@58 Skåre
Apr 04th, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think some of the problem might be that quite a few of the member countries of the C24 don't really have to deal with self-determination as a concept. China (single party state), Cuba (single party state), Fiji (military dictatorship), Iran (theocracy), Mali (which is mid-military coup at the moment), Russia (with their revolving President and Prime Minister) and Syria (which might be too busy shelling it's own citizenry to attend) are all there supposedly supporting the self determination of the territories on their little list.
Shame they're not so hot on supporting the right of self determination of their own populations.
@60 Rufus
Apr 04th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0But that knowledge that they aren't so hot on supporting the right of self determination of their own populations is also an advantage, because that is why the UN C24 will NEVER adopt the sort of statements / resolutions that Argentina wants them to adopt. The worst that will ever materialise is another in a stream of resolutions asking for negotiations - and not even necessarily negotiations over sovereignty .. just negotiations (which the UK government can easily show have taken place and were broken off by Argentina).
I do find it weird that their arn't more places on the UN C/24 list like
Apr 04th, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bali (Indonesia)
Balochistan (Pakistan)
Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang (China)
Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria (Russia)
Karen (Burma)
Basque (Spain)
Somaliland (Somalia)
etc
Maybe this is why no-one listens to the C/24, its why i don't!. Anyone wish to add to the list?
@62 cornishair
Apr 04th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't you forget Cornwall? ;)
>_< oh yes and Cornwall. (Maybe)
Apr 04th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63 I'm all for getting the list reduced. Of course the de-colonisation mission for C-24 was about getting European states,weakened by the war, to loosen and lose their hold on overseas territory with native non- European populations (the so-called salt water colonialism). Most of your examples don't have the racist undertones associated with that core driver. Argentina was able to capitalise on that anti-European sentiment to get what is actually a territorial dispute onto the C24 agenda.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65 Doveoverdover
Apr 04th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am assuming you meant @62 ;)
Might do....
Apr 04th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which is why the C24 is a out of date tool of the mid-20th century, I really have no idea why it hasn't been closed down. :p
Apr 04th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0| 66 |
Apr 04th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everything that we do on Internet is being watched,monitored and recorded and there is no longer any such things as internet privacy.
If you Think that you still have any privacy on the internet.,then you are either ignorant of what is going on or you are being delusional.
If the world eventually descent into deep tyranny..you are not going to
have anywhere to hide even if you are not on internet.
Don't be afraid to stand up for the truth .It is better to do what is right and to be persecuted for it than to stand aside and do nothing.
@2 No-one was asked to negotiate. Just to visit.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 The UN is a bunch of wankers. As you well know having ignored UN Security Council resolutions 502 and 505. The UK doesn't “pretend” anything. It STATES that it has an Overseas Territory called the Falkland Islands. And that it is responsible for its good governance, right to self-determination, defence and foreign affairs.
@18 YOU are responsible. Every single argie, then and now, is responsible. You are warmongers and war criminals trying to find excuses.
@21 The whole of Germany had to pay for the world wars. No difference. All argies are responsible and are warmongers and war criminals.
@28 Why not admit that you don't have the brain? Proof? You cannot get it through your THICK skull that GA resolutions are NON-BINDING. What do you think the UN is? Some sort of World Government? It isn't. You can quote 10,000 GA resolutions. They mean NOTHING!! I will explain nothing else to you unless you accept that.
@52 I can tell you when the Falkland Islands will become argentine. It will be on the same day that the sun goes nova. Until then.......talk to the hand!
| 70 |
Apr 04th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The whole Germany had to pay for the world wars.....??
Could be understood UK is broke to pay for the world wars..??
then,the CIA should pay for Nazi like Poland CIA secret prison.!!
you ... fool internet parrot....
Everyone know the C24 won't visit the falkland islands, because half the countries on the Committee are Dictatorships (including argentina) and most of the rest are scared by the idea of self-determination, because ethnic groups in their countries want to be free of them (China, Russia, indonisa). They only seem to be in the committe to stop people talking about their own problems!
Apr 04th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0C24 is just scared to upset the facist comedians so is quietly keeping a low profile. They would be too scared by what they would find - REALITY
Apr 04th, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please join -
Apr 04th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep the Falklands British -
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619?sk=wall&filter=1
@52
Apr 04th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”You are wrong, UK (a sovereign nation) cannot tell Argentina (another sovereign nation) what to do its that simple“.
ah, I see but you can tell us what to do? Thick fucker.
”UK as the party enveloped disputing sovereignty over the rocks should sit with Argentina to arrange a civilised way to return the Islands to Argentina“.
There is nothing to negotiate with you. The Islands are British and will remain that way until the Islanders say otherwise ie never. Youve been told this but arent listening. Not only that but RG Land, civilised - ha, ha, ha - bullying an island of 3k people, calling people ”pirates“, ”monkeys“ and such things. you are a banna republic with all of the rhetoric that goes with it.
”From my point of view if Argentina wants these Islands back should fight another war against UK and I will personally include Ascension Islands in the menu”.
You stupid cretin. You'd lose massively and wail like a child when you did. Moron.
Anyone want to remined Argentina, we (GB) helped set up the UN during WW2 (& what was Argentina doing during that period?) :p
Apr 04th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN Decolonisation committee is finished and should be disbanded. whats actually complimentary is that of the 16 colony's left in the world 10, having been given the choice to remain British, have done so.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they are free to be decolonised anytime they like but not by the UN.
This is not something that the UN can force upon people. If they dont want to be decolonised then they have the right to remain as they are.
since when was being decolonised a law? answer, never.
shut the fuck up you stupid moronic RG's.
We think that the C24 should , do just one last and vital job before it is disbanded,
Apr 04th, 2012 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 01, add argentina to the list
2, break up argentina to give the provences independence
3, sign of, with world approval
4, goodby and goodnight .
@78 You might be surprised how popular '2' would be outside of Buenos Aires.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 079 ElaineB
Apr 04th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you,
Perhaps the more popular it becomes, the more of a reality it will become,
Im sure Patagonia could play a big part.
.
£ ( 77 )
Apr 04th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The first countdown of the Independence of Scotland is running on...
tick tock....tick tock....tick tock........
The second countdown will be for Wales & N.Ireland ...
tick tock....tick tock....tick tock............
The third countdown will be for Aussie & N.Zealand.....
tick tock....tick tock.....tick tock..............
....... so on ...............
Regards / McClick
oh dear, someone has just dropped ther clock on argentina
Apr 04th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tick tock.
scotland should be part of northern England,
and mr ckicky can of his own free will, stay, of go to argentina, no arguing, no interest .
tock-tick
@46 Searinox “we argue our point in the UN and the UK never could win us on debate...”
Apr 04th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Debate? Debate?? You don't debate, you simply repeat 'ad nauseum' a learned 'script' and therefore are unable to deviate from the 'learned' argument. There cannot be any debate, and negotiation, when there is no understanding, respect and ultimately trust.
Having read through many many posts on this very interesting forum for some time now, I would conclude that I would not trust any Argentine, or their supporters (British Kirshner !) to 'sit the right way round on a toilet seat' !!!
The third countdown will be for Aussie & N.Zealand? The Max cretin really is out of touch.
Apr 04th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what if Scotland does declare independence? If they do it will because self-determination has spoken (although the polls seem to point to independence being rejected).
yep
Apr 04th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tick...tock....tick...tock....tick ..tock........
Apr 04th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@82 'scotland should be part of northern England,' sorry must beg to differ.... Geordies are just Scottish who fell orf the bus on the way to Wembley.....
Apr 04th, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 81 'The third countdown will be for Aussie & N.Zealand.....
tick tock....tick tock.....tick tock..............' you diegos really are ill educated aren't you...
@71 Shut up, sh*tface. That clock you've got? Gonna blow up in your fat, f*cking face!
Apr 04th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@76 Helping nazis! Not to mention brown-nosing and ar*e licking nazis.
@81 Hope you've figured out how much better off England would be. We could treble the size of our Army (the British Army), Navy (the Royal Navy) and Air Force (the Royal Air Force) every three months. Hope the Scots f*ck off! Only took them in to stop the border raids and civilise them. Let's look at Scotland's strong points. Bagpipes, cannon fodder, haggis, no underwear and porridge. The Scots will miss England long before England misses the Scots.
87 Frank
Apr 04th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mmm possably, the british isle should be for all brits,
besides most of scotland was part of others was it not, and some of it was originaly part of England,
so we should take this land back.
88, a greater england will be better for all, one land one country
great britain, [british] from lands end, to the outer hebradies,
from fish guard to great yarmouth,
one land, one country,
a difference of opinion boys,
step by step.....
Apr 04th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tick tock......tick tock.....tick tock......tick tock............
maxi you are on ya way to argie land,
Apr 04th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0with brity kirtchiner,
you both have a king , in cough cough,
and a queen over theire im sure you two will be very happy,
argiescot
@89 briton
Apr 04th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, the the Outer Hebrides, along with Shetland and Orkney should revert to Norway ;)
mmmmmm
Apr 04th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0poor ex-scotyland ,
it seems mr salmon may well end up sleeping with the fishes ?
Give him Lindisfarne as a consolation prize - and then give him and Lindisfarne to Argentina as a consolation prize ;)
Apr 04th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sounds good,
Apr 04th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0im sure the four of them
brit-kirch -mCclick - salmon -and CFK,
could be the Fantastic four perhaps .
@The Cestrian
Apr 05th, 2012 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Thick fucker” “Moron”
Ah typical Mohammed reply when they run out of arguments.
I just wonder why civilised people call them Brutish, Affen and all these kind of stuff...???
Any thought?
@Searinox
Apr 05th, 2012 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0#18
The UN general assembly has advised that the UK and Argentina (as the two sovereign powers) negotiate. However, the UK has decided (as is its sovereign right) to give the FIG power of veto, and the Argentine constitution explicitly forbids negotiation.
C24 is NOT the UN, and it's various pronouncements and resolution (which barely register outside of the closeted world of the C24) are advisory at best, and a consequence of intense bias and diplomatic lobbying (by Argentina).
No organ, I repeat NO ORGAN, of the UN has leave to dismiss the right to self-determination. It is a foundational principal of the UN and it MUST be respected in any negotiations between sovereign powers (or between colonies and their governing powers for that matter). Your notion that self-determination is 'not applicable' is moribund!
The Falkland Islands aren't 'ruled' by the UK. They have their own government, but they are administered by the UK. That is to say that certain sovereign powers, such as foreign relations and defence, are handled by the UK. There is a distinction, if you'd care to educate yourself! Furthermore, your suggestion that the Islanders can be British, but under Argentine sovereignty, is complete tripe. That would make them foreigners in their own land!
The UN has not 'said' that the dispute is purely a sovereignty dispute between Britain and Argentina. Certainly, the general assembly has passed advisory (non-binding) resolutions requesting negotiations (diplomatic fatique and a noble, is naive, desire for peace), but that does extend to what you say!
Argentina broke the UN resolution. The Military Junta WAS YOUR government, however illegitimate you may feel it was. Of course, all of that aside, we can blame your current 'democracy' for its absurd 'bullyplomacy' and acts of economic aggression. There's nothing peaceful or peaceloving about the current administrations sabre-rattling and posturing!
@Searinox, you truly are insane!
Searinox, another lying, scheming, moron with the attention span of a retarded goldfish.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0you can visit a coca Cola factory and it will be the same as visiting fakland island company. Www.en.wikipedia.org.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
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Apr 10th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Say no to colonialism, say no to theft, say no to UK arrogance.
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