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“We were prepared for war with Chile”, not in Malvinas admits former Argentine military governor
The former military governor of the Malvinas Islands during the Argentine occupation said that the negative outcome of the war for Argentina can only be attributed to “negligence and improvisation”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules'Argentina was prepared for ( a ) war ( of aggression ) with Chile.'
Apr 05th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0' regarding Chile the former general said that they openly collaborated with the UK, “they did not behave as brothers, they behaved as swine”.”
What is wrong with these RGs? All totally fucked in the head.....
The problem for the Argentine governments is that outside of their brainwashed devotees, people refuse to read and play by their script. So, Chile would not stand by them whilst they invaded the Falkland Islands and then lay down to be invaded. See, they didn't get the script.
Apr 05th, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this guy has lost the plot a little i think!
Apr 05th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, like swine, the RGs were going to attack their Chilean brothers...
Apr 05th, 2012 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Says it all!
If true, some credit is due the guy if he really stand down when he heard about incidents such as “One 3rd Regiment Platoon has been told to go into the houses by a fanatical lieutenant, who has ordered the men to kill the kelpers...The lives of the kelpers are being risked.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Men%C3%A9ndez#Fear_of_massacre_of_civilians_prompted_surrender)
Apr 06th, 2012 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Menendez is a liar. There was no shortage of Argentine rations in the Falklands in 1982. The officers allowed themselves plenty to eat but let the conscripts starve. There was so much food left behind that Falkland Islanders lived on it for about two years.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 I would like to back up what honoria has written. After the surrender I witnessed the sheds full of Argentine food here in Stanley. I guess the problem was that either they couldn't or wouldn't pass it up to the guys on the ground hence they were (in cases I witnessed) forced to hunt the few sheep that were left like a pack of dogs and after the sheep were gone they turned their attention to the flightless steamer ducks which would be a pretty awful sort of thing to try and eat but I guess it was either that - or starve.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Besides being fool, crazy or whatever that decrepit old is very shameless. Asking for help after all the bullying that made on Chile. So his defeat is nothing more than what he was looking for.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0This man has no shame. He blasts Chile, who were enemies of Argentina in 1982, for using any and all means to defend themselves, including allying itself with Britain.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0He allows his men to starve. He then shamelessly says that Galteri ordered the invasion because he didn't want to be president anymore! Absolute lunacy!
What he really means is that he thought that Britain would just roll over and let them get away with their illegal invasion. As the task force approached, the military junta believed that it was just a bluff, that they wouldn't really attack, because the odds of travelling 14,000 miles, fighting an entrenched enemy, with no land base to work from was impossible - wasn't it?
Only the brave men and women of the British Armed Forces proved that nothing is impossible if you try hard enough and believe.
The only sensible thing Menendez did was to surrender and not sacrifice those poor boys, conscripts all, who'd been lied to and left to rot.
And what happened to these poor boys upon their return to Argentina? They were spat at by their own people for NOT fighting to the death! Shame on Argentina.
So Argentina was actively prepared for war against Chile, had a history of aggression against Chile and was quite happy to stab that neighbour in the back .. but Menendez whines bitterly that Chile looked after their own interests, rather than Argentina's and his career? This for the gutless yellow-bellied coward who to this day has never admitted his own part in the 'dirty war' .. and has on occasions even gone so far as to deny it ever took place.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some people really aren't fit to breathe the same air as their countrymen.
*shakes head in disbelief*
(5) JohnN
Apr 06th, 2012 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even a bastard has his moments.......... That was one of Menendez’s.
(6) Honoria, My Jethro friend
As usual … Few but well chosen words……
Yes; this man is a liar (among many other unflattering things) and not worthy of your time (or mine).
Pity you are a squatter……………
How can Honoria be a squatter when she can trace her ancestors back for generations. She is descended from colonistists who have continuously lived on the Falklands since at least 1830.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me Think, how far back in South America can you trace your ancestors? About 50yrs, did they leave Germany rather hurriedly in 1945? Because unless you are from one of the Native South American tribes YOU are either a Spanish or German squatter.
And if you are descended from native South Americans, perhaps you should be demanding the return of your land from the colonialist Argentinians.
However back on topic. Your government has always been aggressive to its neighbours, be they Uraguay, Paraguay, Chile or the Falklands. Your are not good neighbours, you are bullies who believe its your God given right to own everything, fortunately you don't have the might to back up these delusions, and all you can do is fall back on constant whining to the international community, who are getting SICK and TIRED of it.
@12 LEPRecon
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0After also working your way through Italian, Basque, Welsh, Polish, Croatian, Russian, Arab, Danish, Finnish,Belgian and Norwegian .. you may want to modify that guess to first generation Herdi Gerdi Swedish squatter. Not that they can match the 189 native tongues of London - not many places can - but they really are a remarkably cosmopolitan bunch down there in Argieland ;)
PS: I dunno if it is just my experience that is unusual, but contrary to what most people seem to assume, I have met massively more Argentinians of Italian ancestry than I ever have of Spanish.
@13 - I stand corrected and will go and hang my head in shame. ;-)
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 013
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0That might explain the Argentinian tendency to surrender or run away.
Its all in the genes.
@15 Be serious
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll leave you to say that to the pilots who, with an 'ARGENTINA' tab on the shoulder of their RAF uniforms, stood tall alongside Czechs, Poles, Frenchmen and Norwegians and helped to save Britain's bacon at the Battle of Britain.
In the words of Winston Churchill: “Never in the field of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to so few”.
I have read somewhere Menendez like Rex Hunt's office in Government House so much he left the picture of the Queen on the wall lol
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16 what percentage of those RG RAF pilots were in fact of British rather than diego stock...... rather a high percentage I would wager.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look at it this Menendez bloke. stealing stores from a Red Cross ship.... its in the diego RG genes....lying and stealing.
@12 Thicko's people were Quislings..... a few steps further down the ratbag scale than Nazis...
Think
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought we were friends united by Our excellent taste in music. But you are a bit like Menendez when it comes to friends, aren't you?
@18 Frank
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does it matter? More than 800 Argentinian pilots made a long and hazardous journey to wear the RAF uniform during World War II - and barely 300 lived to make it back to Argentina - and I think they deserve a little more respect. Whether they were of British decent, or not, is irrelevant; because they and their descendants are as Argentinian as anyone else of immigrant stock .. and they volunteered as Argentinians, so they clearly considered themselves to be more Argentinian than British.
Do you sit there sifting Aussie, Kiwi and South African volunteers to see if they were of British stock before deciding how to count them, or whether or not to trivialise their contribution to the war?
Skåre.... I admire what all those volunteers from Argentina and every where else around the world did and the sacrifice they made. However they were a very small percentage of the Argentine people. The fact remains that as a people, as a group, the RGs are ratbags. Even that isn't really fair... as its the ratbag rump that get noticed..... plenty of good argentinians out there.... somewhere...
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21 Frank
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, if you think that, then you are easily as bad as any of the small percentage of Argentinians who happen to fit the deplorable stereotype you just painted. Most Argentinians are nothing like the sick f*cked up tossers who post the preposterous nonsense you see here.
How about the many Argentinian Falkland conscripts of Welsh extraction? Are they somehow a lesser evil than those you pejoratively label as 'diegos'?
@16 - Michael Bentine, the British entertainer flew with the RAF in the Battle of Britain with a 'Peru' shoulder flash as either he was born there of British parents or joined the RAF from there as his parents were out there. The Only Peru member of the RAF, unless someone knows otherwise?
Apr 06th, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23 Audi Consilium I wouldn't know if there were others; but yes you are right and in fact, even though he was born in England, he was initially rejected by the RAF because his father was Peruvian.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11 - Think, I'm still waiting for your answer. How far back can your ancestors trace their heritage in South America?
Apr 06th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you don't answer we all will know that your silence means not very long at all, and certainly not as far back as Honoria can trace hers.
I wonder how far back CFKs South American Heritage can be traced till it changes to Croation.... just 3 Generations I have heard.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
@22 From Wiki 'Around 600 Argentine volunteers, mostly of Anglo-Argentine descent, joined the British and Canadian Air Forces, many in the 164 Argentine-British RAF squadron,' There was a very good article in 'The Aeroplane' about 4 years ago that bore that out. ( Yes my anorak is hanging on the back of the kitchen door), I rest my case on that part of the discussion.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The good people of Argentina? Well my views are based primarily on my experiences in and around BA. Thieving is endemic... be it tax evasion, charging top dollar for crap workmanship, uniformed officials putting payments straight into there skyrockets, plain old fashioned thieving, they have inherited the very worst of southern Italian morality ( there was a discussion on another thread just the other day on this very subject).
How about the Patagonian Welsh godbotherers the RG military flew into Stanley to talk the locals around to the argentine point of view..... that worked :)
@25 he has previously stated he is first generation of quisling stock....
@27 - 1st generation hmm, says it all really.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 Just one question.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you think the majority of argies are nothing like the sick f*cked up argie tossers that post so much drivel on here, explain the number of people in this film clip please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xqwNsmzCbM
I say that the majority of argies are sick, bitter, twisted, f*cked up, cowardly, homosexual, psychotic tossers with delusions of unattainable grandeur. There may be a tiny minority who are honest and honourable. But that only goes to show that they are the exception that proves the rest are putrescent slime.
Now, go ahead and prove me wrong!
Back on point. This interview with former General Menendez shows that the Argentine government was two faced in 1982 - threatening to invade Chile on one hand, then bemoaning the fact that they didn't support them on their invasion of the Falklands on the other.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 2012 - nothing seems to have changed. The Argentine government is still two faced.
@27 Frank
Apr 06th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You haven't made a case. My previous comments stand.
@29 Conqueror
Quite aside form the fact that your comment shows you up as homophobic pond scum, do you really think that clip shows more than a minuscule percentage of Argentinians?
If you see a clip of film showing a million gays and lesbians marching through London on the first Sunday of June, do you also assume that clip of film to show that all seventy-off million Brits are homosexuals?
I think you have successfully proved everything that needs proving about you: that you are a sick phobic tw@t.
@31 Bit rich coming from a foreigner.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was around in 1982 when the cowardly, underhand argies used four naval task forces and 66,000 troops to attack and invade a peaceful British Overseas Territory defended by 70 Royal Marines.
It is too easy for you foreigners to respond to perfectly reasonable observations of the national characteristics of a bunch of gangsters by simply issuing insults. I notice you don't attempt to prove any of those observations are incorrect. You just descend to the same level as argies. What are you? Some sort of liberal, PC, do-gooding tw@t that happens to live in the cesspit? Are you trying to suggest that the “people” shown in the film were not represenative? You'll need to go a long way.
Now, your comment was unnecessarily, personally offensive. Whilst mine was based on research. For instance, there are more practising psychiatrists in argieland than in any other country. Then note the number of argie POWs in 1982. Then note that argieland actively welcomes and encourages homosexuals of both sexes and probably those between.
A “miniscule percentage”? There are none so blind that do not want to see. Argieland persists in active warfare against the Falkland Islands supported by the bulk of its population as witness the re-election of the Black Widow. It may be economic or political warfare, but it is still warfare. and of a description in breach of the UN Charter.
I'm afraid you're just an apologist. And not a very good one. Do not insult me by ascribing your morals to me.
32. And what would be wrong with Homosexuals?. Conqueror your letting the side down :p Chill out mate.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Schadenfreude: For we Chileans after Operación Soberanía, the supreme pleasure derived from the current and future misfortunes of Argentina.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And just what did you all expect from Argentina, a repeat performance of course.......for your viewing pleasure:
Apr 06th, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
Gracias Cristina y Nestor!!
If Chile keeps helping UK I am sure next war should start with the occupation of Chile, if brits can claim Malvinas with 3000 pirates, I am sure Argentina can claim Chile as spoils of War. As UK did with argentine ships used in the war. If Chile is used in the war Chile can he claimed as well.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 Pirat-hunter, since Argentina's military is a joke, it's economy about to implode, I doubt Chile are worried.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They would laugh in your face if the plight of Argentina wasn't so dire.
Britain doesn't need to claim the Falklands as they actually belong to us, or rather the Falkland Islanders.
@32 Conqueror
Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unnecessarily, personally offensive? Really? You think that is unnecessarily offensive when you have been deliberately and outrageously offensive, racist and homophobic? (and have now repeated that racism and homophobia all over again)
And your comments that the “majority of argies are sick, bitter, twisted, f*cked up, cowardly, homosexual, psychotic tossers with delusions of unattainable grandeur” is based on “research” is it? Are you for real? I take it that is proper scientific research and that you will be submitting it for peer review.
By all means call individual Argentinians on hypocrisy that you witness and do feel free to attack the Argentinian leadership and political classes, along with the institutions of government and society; but making sweeping generalisations that stigmatise all, or the majority, of individual Argentinians is beneath contempt, makes you a racist and shows a crass ignorance of the subject.
As for using sexual orientation as a pejorative: whether you like it or not, that paints you as a premier league homophobe.
For the record, Argentina no more “encourages” homosexuality than the UK does. It just accepts people for the way they are and avoids criminalising and stigmatising people for the way their genes turn out – a trait of civilised society and the European Convention on Human Rights that you clearly haven't caught up with - and you would have to be pig-ignorant to believe anything else.
Oh look!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJveIvODpuo - and the video doesn't even show the thronged main body of Soho Square where the grass is. I guess all British men must be batty boys. They can deny it all they like, but the pictures speak for themselves, or do they?
If (and I stress the IF) you are in any way typical of what Britain is protecting in the Islands, then you may just single-handedly have persuaded me that the Argentinians are right and the opinions of the islanders are wholly irrelevant.
@38 All counties in the world have a few extreme mutters. It would be as wrong to condemn all Brits on the basis of conquerors comments as it his to him to stereotype all Argentinians.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm British and I believe in freedom of speech and self determination for all people, regardless of nationality.
In fact many of my countrymen have laid down their lives to allow us to keep these freedoms. A fact that conqueror takes for granted.
@39 LEPRecon
Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Freedom of speech comes with a responsibility that scum like Conqueror clearly don't see the need to exercise. And, the last time I checked, the UK also had laws against hate speech.
36 Pirat-Hunter And your the nut who goes on about apparent 'crimes against humanity' by the British today ? Bit ironic how you reduce a whole country and its populace, a friend and neighbour of Argentina as 'spoils of war' . Your one hell 'ov a nut son......
Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 038 & 39
Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have to agree with you two. I have no real problem with the Argentineans as a people (kinda of feel sorry for them), but the government is fair game as their a bunch of lies lol
@40 - to a certain extent is does, but this is only if you insight people to commit violent acts.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For example: you have the right to say ”I hate all (insert relevant word) because I do.“
What you can't say is ”I hate all (insert relevant word) because I do, and we should kill them all.”
I know some of conquerors posts are close to this mark, but basically he's an idiot - what we sometimes term as an 'oxygen thief'. He's not worth responding to, and if you just ignore him, like many trolls he'll just go away.
Well, in my books, silence simply proves to Argentinians that you secretly agree with the likes of Conqueror. Sticking up for them in the face of that sort of outrageous racism is the best way to foster the sort of dialogue that can make a real difference and break down barriers of understanding.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have plundered the world ,stripping naked the land in their hunger...they are driven by greed,,if their enemy be rich ,by ambition ,if poor..They ravage, they slaughter ,they seize by false pretenses and all of this they hail as the construction of Empire.And when in their wake nothing remains but a desert,they call that peace.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 045 mcclick. Oh you! talking about Argentina like that :)
Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tacitus? You must be bored :)
Apr 06th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44 - Skare, I do agree with your remarks here. Freedom of speech is just that, the freedom to say what you like even if it goes against the grain. I don't agree with conqueror in the slightest, but as long as he doesn't incite people to violence, he has the right to express his opinions, just like those Argentinians like Pirat-hunter have the right to express theirs.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The minute you start censoring people, by not allowing them to express the views, you lose freedom of speech, which is a fragile thing. Censoring people and their ideas just allow them to fester behind closed doors until they turn into something really nasty.
Allowing them to vent their views just shows that, yes they are bigoted, but also rather sad and pathetic.
Thank you for your well thought out comments. :)
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Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0read again carefully ...says “”....Empire “” not “” ....Nation “” !
@49 McClick
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope you realise that Tacitus was referring to what the Roman empire had done to its conquests and that he was gushing in his praise of the liberty of the native Britons compared with the tyranny and corruption of Rome. Given the number of Italians if Argentina .............
;)
yes >_< the Argentinean Empire. You know the one that claims most of the South Atlantic? when it can't even run Buenos Aires Province. Anyone else think its time to brake up Argentina?
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(19) Honoria
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are Honoria….., we certainly are…..
Music, as mathematics are universal peace languages.
Sadly, there is that little “stone in our shoe” about you, Kelpers, being instrumental for the British control and exploitation “in perpetuum” of 12,000,0000 square km of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory that we consider rightly ours.
A little “Stone” that no Argentinean government can or will ignore any longer.
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Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ask to English who are imitative admirer to Rome Empire....
Persistent focus on gratifying their own needs at the expenses of others..
chronic transparent lies even with regard to minor things.....consistent decisions in their self interests,even where it is ethically questionable....!!
@32 - Conqueror.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having just read your post I want to tell you what a complete and utter cock you are. You were around in 1982 were you? How old we're you 5?
Your disparaging remarks are an insult to all people's especially the British. We are all foreigners until we get to know each other.
I too 'was around' during the Falklands conflict, and I was angry that the Argentinians had invaded, but hate is not a word I would have used.
Having been a soldier, hate is something that can't be afforded. I had the honour of speaking to some veterans of the Falklands War. They didn't hate the Argentinians either. In fact, many of them felt sorry for the young Argentine conscripts, many of them had been told that the British didn't take prisoners and would torture them to death, by their officers to try to get them to fight to the death.
Most of these conscripts were boys, most not even into their 20's, but they did their duty as they saw it, as did the British forces. During the final days, many of them had been abandoned by their officers and Senior Non-Commissioned Officers, and left to fend for themselves. Petrified that they were going to be killed, they surrendered as the hunger, cold and sense of abandonment took hold.
They were amazed at just how well the British looked after them and their wounded comrades. These men were not cowards, and neither are the millions of people who live in Argentina.
What your comments do show is that you are an ignoramus of the highest order, and a pillock to boot. It doesn't take a foreigner to notice that, just common sense, and if you had any sense of honour you would apologise unreservedly to Skare and everyone on this site for your extremely offensive comments.
“Persistent focus on gratifying their own needs at the expenses of others”
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now we all know your talking about the Argentinean government! lol. Tell us again how KFC's net worth went from 9 to 17 million well in office?
@32 Conqueror
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Out of interest, how do you feel about the fact that the UK is considered to be the most gay-friendly country in Europe, or that Manchester is the most gay-friendly city in the whole world? Does it disgust you as much as much as it does that Argentina, along with Canada, spearhead gay rights in the Americas .. or do you wish that the UK was more like Iran, where daring to fall in love with someone of the same sex can get you executed?
http://www.ilga-europe.org/home/publications/reports_and_other_materials/rainbow_map_and_index_2011_2012
http://www.ilga-europe.org/home/publications/reports_and_other_materials/rainbow_map_and_index_2011_2012
Personally, if I was British, I would feel kind of proud that my country was putting many traditional champions of human rights to shame.
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Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess....
Her money could be found in English Off Shore Countries accounts...
@36 Not one of your best ideas.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 Well said.
@40 They certainly do and whats more they enforce the rigidly. British law states that “Anything percieved to be racially motivated, is to be treated as such.” The magic word being percieved, all incidents perceived to be racially motivated, are treated and investigated as such. I'm not so certain about Homophobic motivations, It maybe the same, I can't remember. All Police Forces in the UK have dedicated “Hate Crime Units,” in one form or another.
@54 LEPRecon
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Proud of you :)
57 why? if she hate's the British so much. I never really understand this weird South america, hatred of the British? (The USA has been the one who mess with South America, not us)
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60 cornishair
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Her 'principles' are only good for so much and Anglos pay far better rates of interest than the secretive Swiss gnomes do. I mean, just an extra 0.5% on $500million pays for a hell of a lot of botox.
@36 A really fool comment very close to the sayings of Menendez and his criminal fellows since there is an argentinian song that complains about war and its consequences treating as traitors those who involved the country in that. Please don´t forget that war is a serious issue and remember that chilean army has never SURRENDER as argentinian has done it, so and in that case the spoils of war can be all the argentinian oil wells in the south and I´m certain that many oil companies will be happy to assist chileans in the commitment.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43 No he won't. And I've been here a lot longer than you. 261 British people were KILLED in 1982 because of the scabby argies. Every argie that existed then or now is culpable and I hate them all. I am prepared to make exceptions for the possible 0.0001% of the population of the cesspit that doesn't believe in their “Malvinas” myth and doesn't habitually cheat, commit violence, lie and/or steal. But they have to make themselves known. Silent opposition to government gangsterism isn't opposition. It's tacit approval. “It wasn't us.” they whinge. Yes it was! The entire population of argieland is culpable for the 1982 invasion and war. They are culpable even if they weren't born, or should I say extruded, unless they refuse to subscribe to the attitudes and motives that brought about those events. In argieland, there are 40+ million war criminals. The war criminals are alive and well. Led by the Black Widow.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Questions for argies and argie lovers:
1. Do you believe the Falkland Islands belong to argieland? War criminal.
2. Do you accept that Britain had been on the Falklands since 1690, claimed sovereignty in 1765 and never relinquished it? No? War criminal.
3. Do you accept that the appointment of Luis Vernet as “Governor” of the Falkland Islands by the Province of Buenos Aires was illegal? No? War criminal.
4. Do you think any number of UN General Assembly resolutions gives argieland any sort of “rights”. Yes? War criminal.
5. Do you think the UN Committee on Decolonisation has any relevance to the Falkland Islands? Yes? War criminal.
6. Do you think argieland is legally or morally justified in imposing economic and political sanctions on 3,140 Falkland Islanders? Yes? War criminal.
Get the picture? Because of my age and infirmities, I had to sit and watch BRITISH servicemen being wounded and KILLED protecting BRITISH people from scumbags. As a result, the only “good” argie is a dead argie.
Don't use your fart-arse PC crap with me!
@56 Well said.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conqueror, just so you know that the British Armed forces don't have any barriers to people wanting to serve their country. Any religion (including witches and devil worshipers), any racial group (gasp, including non-white people) and any sexuality (excluding bestiality - although there are some Welsh regiments who have sheep and goats for mascots - which always made me wonder. LOL).
You see the Armed Forces are a reflection of society as a whole. Now gays were only allowed to serve openly in 2000, but everyone knew that gays were in the military long before this, and would definitely have been present during the liberation of the Falklands. Just because your homophobic doesn't mean the rest of us are.
So fancy joining the British Armed Forces and showing the world that you're as tough as you think you come across on the Internet? That you're courageous enough to pick up a weapon to fight, kill or even lay down your life for Queen and Country?
You do have to have certain characteristics to join up, however, you have to show a certain amount of intelligence, have honour and have courage. So are you up to the challenge?
Skåre and LEPRecon,
Apr 06th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you very much for your comments, as an Argentine who totally supports the Islanders right to self determination I have felt very sorely the lash of the anti-Argentine scourge on this forum.
It makes it very difficult to comment and attempt to put another view than that produced by the rabid “malvinistas”.
Once again a big THANK YOU,
Skare. Your comment are always good :) and i thank you for them. I have to say i'm only on this site because i believe in the truth & all we seem to get from the Argentinean government is lies, damn lies!. 1833 seems to be stuck in the national psyche of argentina, but its utter bull-shit if you read the history....
Apr 06th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63 Conqueror
Apr 06th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given your latest nauseating “the only 'good' argie is a dead argie” comment, I will just let your racism speak for itself and leave it at that.
Humanity is ashamed of you.
Oi Skåre ! where lies the fine divide between your ' sad twisted f&%$ers ' and my 'diegos'?
Apr 06th, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello Simon, don't worry about us.... its the Malvanistas you have to watch out for... Conqueror? Don't worry about him......it was the war don't you know........
@54 LEPRecon.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Proud of you too mate. I was in the services in 1982, I did not go down south. Not much call for dog handlers. I hold exactly the same views as you do.
I'm third generation serviceman. My dad was a CSM in 1st Bttn Welch Regiment. God how we kids loved the Goat (Taffy) one died when we were in Hong Kong, I remember the church service, buried with full military honours. He had is own house and was handled by a LCPL known as Goat Corporal, had to be careful though when the Gurkhas around, famous for their goat curry.
Serious though, well said, great and true post.
@63 - Because of your age and infirmities you had to sit and watch British Soldiers being killed!
Apr 06th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? How? In 1982 there was no satellite TV, no live broadcasts, and the government could restrict what was broadcast by the imbedded journalists. I know for a fact that the government wouldn't show casualties, or give out casualty figures during a war. No government in their right mind would as it's bad fir morale. So how could you have sat and watched that? Impossible unless you had a ring-side seat in the Falklands.
You are what we in the military call a Walt. It stands for Walter Mitty. It means you are a fake. At best you are a grief whore, someone who likes to jump on the bandwagon, and beat their chests in obviously fake grief. Pathetic.
By the way, prior to you becoming old and infirm, did you serve at all? There were plenty of conflicts going on around the world post WW2 and pre-Falklands that the British were involved in.
In fact, there was only one year in the whole 20th century that a British soldier wasn't killed on operations, and that was 1968. So there was plenty of scope for you to show how manly and brave you were; Korea, Aden, Burma, Egypt, Cyprus, Northern Ireland or even just manning checkpoint Charlie in West Berlin, guarding against the red hoarde.
So, what did you do during the (cold) War? It's easy to rant on about war, and try and glorify it, especially when its others that are going to do the fighting and the killing and dying.
@65 Simon68
Apr 06th, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are most welcome - irrespective of your views on the Falklands.
@68 Frank
There is no dividing line. As a seaman, I am the first to admit that my disdain for the sad twisted f&%$ers (i.e. the dockers who would happily put lives of seafarers in danger) is pretty intense.
@69 - cheers mate. Respect back to you. I worked with the Gurkha's once. Went to get a shower and found a dead sheep hanging in there with it's throat cut! Tasted great the next day in the curry, although I almost broke a tooth on a piece of bone. LOL
Apr 06th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63 - your comment of “the only good Argie is a dead Argie,” shows that you are not only a pillock but a coward too.
Of course the Argentinians celebrated when they had successfully invaded the Falklands. They had been brainwashed to believe that they were liberating them, they lived under a military dictatorship, who censored all the news channels. It was only after the defeat of the Argentine forces that the public realised just how much they'd been lied too.
52 Troneas
Apr 06th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's ours, Troneas, it's ours. And you have so little to offer us, not even genuine friendship.
I was in RAF Germany at the time. We got most of the news from BBC radio and newspapers. I remember they withdrew all our 9mm ammo, we were armed with SMG' and Browning SLP', our heavy weapon being the LMG of which we had several. They issued us with replacement ammo which rumour had was meant for Pakistan, you could tell the difference, there was a purple ring around the prime of the cartridge. The stuff was crap, there were numerous stoppages on the range, bloody stuff would not clear the barrel of SMG'. Then about a third of the way through the war, the fencing around the range was removed, the RAF Regiment drove their Spartans on to a 25M range and were zeroing their Coaxial GPMG'. I remember thinking then, “fuck they are treating this seriously” recalling ammunition and putting other combat units on standby.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In retrospect it seems that Maggie would have been quite willing to pull units away from NATO commitments. I thank god it never happened, it would have meant that our losses would have been worse, they were bad enough as it was, but it had to be done then and it would have to be done again. These are our people, and why do you join up? if not to defend your own people?
@74 - I was a stroppy teenager at the time, still at school. I remember when the news of the invasion broke, my dad had me out in the back digging an air raid shelter. He thought the Falklands were off the coast of Scotland! Although to be fair on him, so did a lot of other people. Still made me carry on digging (good practice for digging shel-scrapes in later years), and our air raid shelter turned into a fish pond! To this day I still think the air raid shelter business was a smoke screen cause he'd always wanted a pond, but mum wouldn't let him in case one of us kids fell and drowned.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In my unit we used to say that war was God's way of teaching Americans geography. Maybe it was for the British too!
I'm glad to hear that Maggie would've pulled out all the stops if necessary, and I'm sure our friends in the Falklands are heartened by that too.
Here comes the excuses why Argentina lost the war, a war they started and UK wasnt expecting, a war the UK fought and won, a war in which Argentina had years to prepare for, aided by russia and libya, a lesson in war which Argentines failed to learn from even to this day,
Apr 06th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so the bottom line Argentina you had years more time than us to prepare for the Falklands war than our weeks, and you still lost, tough titties....except defeat, Dignity isnt a word much used in Argentina is it?
@75
Apr 06th, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your dads not the on;y one. I was fast alsleep on my pit, in a 12man room in the barracks, (sleeping off a heavy night in the NAAFI.) One of the lads woke me up and said, “Arentina has just invaded the Falkland Islands.”.................
My reply, “What the fuck have they invaded Scotland for?”
Well we all know where they are now don't we.
Dearest Pirat-Hunter,
Apr 06th, 2012 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PLEASE do try and invade Chile. We'd love to kick your arse.
Our highly regarded Chilean army operates German Leopard 1 and 2 tanks. We have another 140 second-hand Leopard 2A4s from the German army being delivered in the next few months.
Our naval fleet consists of 66 surface vessels of which eight are major combatant ships and 2 Scorpène class as well as 2 Thomson submarines with the ability to launch Exocet missiles.
Our airforce alone has 46 F-16 highly maintained Fighting Falcon fighters.
From our side, we would gain parts of Patagonia, including some highly productive petroleum fields as compensation. Not a bad deal…
@75 LEPRecon & @77 reality check
Apr 06th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The irony of it now, as I pointed out to someone yesterday: if my British friends are anything to go by, most of them would now find it easier to point to the Falkland Islands on a map than they would to the Outer Hebrides, Shetland, Orkney or Grimsby.
@71 I'm not too sure that I can see how linesmen going on strike and refusing to tie ships up ' put(s) lives of seafarers in danger ' and puts them into the 'sad twisted f&%$ers' category....
Apr 06th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chicureo. Don't worry about pirat-hunter, he's always coming up with bull-shit like that.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Chilean military looks to be the best in South America :) i don't know why your government puts up with all the crap from KFC?
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Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know Sir James Buchanan ...?
a multimilloniare Scottish whisky distiller who wanted to become Lord Woolavington in the 1922 Honours List,...he signed his cheque..no peerage and the cheque would bounce...He indeed became “” Lord Woolavington “”.........
Since then there has been a steady and vast escalation peerage creations......[60] by James Callaghan.....[204] by Margareth Thatcher....[172] by JohnMajor......[152 ]by Tony Blair.............
@79 - hmm, the Orkney Isalands, somewhere off Austrailia aren't they? LOL
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although all joking aside you're not far wrong. But I blame the education system of today. We used to learn geography by the teacher stamping the outline of the British Isles in your book in ink, and your home work was to label all the islands, and major cities. There were no computers, no Internet, we had to look things up in books, or ask for your dad's help. As you probably guessed, my dad's grasp on geography wasn't too good, so no help there for me.
On the other hand, back then I would have been hard pressed to label the countries of Europe correctly, except for France, and that's only because it's the closest country to mainland Britain.
@78
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile has a good military today. But so does Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela. Heck even Peru's military is much better than Argentina. In fact, some Argentine military analysts say Argentina would lose a war against Bolivia or Paraguay. Argentina spends less than 1% on military spending when the rest of South America spends at least 3% of GDP. I actually like it, I don't want my money to go to North American or European industry.
So you would clearly be able to annex a big portion of Patagonia. Just one problem: the population would not want to become Chilean.
So immediately, self-determination would come into play and so we would have the UK doing the job for us anyway. :)
McClick....
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The news story is about argentina's designs on Chilean land, stop upping back into storys about people long dead :p
SKARE
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your so right. My geographical knowledge of the area is that they are somewhere north of the Scottish mainland. Though I do know one or more of them is closer to Olso than they are to London.
You know whats more ironic. If it wasn't for the Argentine invasion, some deal would pprobably have been done.
jumping#
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0| 85 |
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok !
let me tell you another story from British history...
Do you know “” Lloyd George Scandal “” ??
chiefly concerned his very last group of peerages..list included William Westey ,the milloniare shipowner and frozen meat king who had emigrated to Argentina,to avoid paying taxes and the reurned to England after creating an elaborate international network,with fake holding companies in France and elsewhere that guaranteed a virtual tax free incomes..........
@86 - reality check, you're right, Britain was trying to negotiate with Argentina over some sort of transfer of power at the time, but the Argentinians were being uncooperative - hmm so nothing new there then.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The invasion, whilst awful for the Islanders and sad because of the loss of life, had one good outcome. It made the British Government and people sit up and take notice, and be more than just absentee landlords. It paved the way for the current Falkland Island Government, the move towards the self-determination of the people, and the change in status to becoming a British Overseas Territory. It put the Falklands on the map for good. So awful as the war was, maybe it was Devine providence that it happened at all. It sure gave us apathetic British a good kick up the arse, and it was long overdue kick up the arse too.
mcClick. Why do i care?. My question was why is south amercia bitching about british “coloinalism” when we had shit all to do with the settling of said Continent. Go moan at the spanish or portuguese. Jesus H Christ!
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(78) Chicureo
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hermano Shileno…..
You have finally accomplished it….
You have reached the same level of Turipidity we Argentineans had in the 70’s…
Felicitaciones weon!
@80 Frank
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And why exactly is your inability to understand that any of my problem .. or is it just a smokescreen to divert attention from your own sweeping “all totally fucked in the head” comment?
@63 Conqueror
By the way, I think you have a bloody nerve to question me. I am in two minds whether to share this, but in the light of your sick “argie lovers” jibe......
I volunteered, as a non-British national who was under no obligation to enter a war zone when the Atlantic Causeway (the Cunard ship I was serving on as a newly qualified 20-year-old navigation officer) was requisitioned by the British Ministry of Defence.
We took 28 helicopters and tens of thousands of tonnes of stores, fuel and equipment down to the Falklands. We arrived a couple of days after twelve of our friends and colleagues had been killed when our sister ship, the Atlantic Conveyor, was hit by two Exocet missiles.
We were there, right in the thick of it in San Carlos Water and full of highly volatile aviation fuel, for 57 days and handled over 4,500 individual aircraft movements (both helicopters and Harriers) and received the casualties from the Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram.
I wear the ribbon of the South Atlantic Medal on my uniform and have seen sights, smelt smells and felt and smelt the sort of fear that you can't even begin to imagine.
I don't know anyone who was involved down there who thinks the way you do and wishes entire people dead the way you do – on the contrary, most of the people I have met who went through that have the attitude that there must be a better way. But you know what, if you are truly sick enough in the head to think that my preference for parley makes me an “argie lover” and a “war criminal” then so be it, because it must be so easy to talk up war and violence when you can sit at home safe and sound in the knowledge that you will never have to go and get your own hands dirty and wake up with the nightmares for the rest of your life.
92 I feel i should say something, tho i don't know what? Conqueror seems to have some problems with anger & hate. I'd leave him to it if i where you.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@89 LEPRecon.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like our lads didn't give their lives in vain, doesn't it. That the greatest tribute we can pay them. It's up to the rest of us to make to make sure it stays that way. I think a lot of us feel that way. It's a shame that the people of the Argentine can not recognise that fact. Thirty years may seem like a long time to them, but it's not. The freedom of the Falkland Islanders came at the highest price of all. The lives of some of our finest young men. If they think we, the people of this country, would allow our government to negotiate that freedom away, well, it just shows how little they know of us as an island nation.
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Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0let me ask you three simple questions.....
As you know that Lloyd George had to honour the senior military commander during World War I Sir Douglas Haigh received an earldom,the official thanks to parliament and a tax free grant of £ 100.000,aroun £ 6 millions in today's money..Other senior generals and admirals also received peerages and several others also received substantial tax free grants for the winning the war.It is unneccesary to add that the actual soldiers and sailors nothing....
cornishair..
please ..would you tell us ...by this South Atlantic Crisis...
-- are the new Honour List prepared in London....?
-- is the London treasury enough to pay commanders' gifts..?
-- are you one of the soldiers /sailors will receive nothing ..?
Menendez: 'they didn't behave like brothers, they behaved like swine' a bit rich considering that Chile was the next invasion target of the Facist Junta. And, 'our main interest was to return to a civilina govenment in Argentina.' Oh yeah, pull the other one. The main reason for the return to the civilian government in Argentina post 82 was thanks to the British. Do I hear any thanks?
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Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@97 Think
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0seksoghalvtreds :)
@92 Skare - I'm honoured to have conversed with you like this. You are completely right about Conquerer. He's the type of person who would stand at the back yelling, 'I'll fight to the last drop of your blood.' because he hasn't got the courage to be anything but a bully.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for your role in liberating the Falklands, the merchant navy played a big part and put themselves in harms way. The Atlantic Conveyor springs immediately to mind.
Dr Johnson once said, “every man thinks meanly of himself for not being a soldier, or having gone to sea.”. Sounds like conqueror to me.
Conqueror, you haven't answered any of the questions I put forward in any of my posts. Your silence on the matter is deafening. So you are a coward after all.
@94 Reality check, I agree 100%.
cornishair
Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just three simple question....
just three answers......
that's all...................
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Apr 06th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toogfyrre ifg. THGTTG..... ;-)
Since when has a question been anwsered with a question, when you answer mine i will try and answer yours
Apr 06th, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No i did try for the RAF a life time again (or what seems like) but turns out i have AS so i wasn't aloud, past the bloody test tho. Are you argentinean or do you have a random gruge against the British?
92 Skåre
Apr 06th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0........your own sweeping “all totally fucked in the head”
OK so just for you I will rephrase it .. 'are they all totally fucked in the head'.....
whenever one of them utters in public the utterance is pretty bizzare.... sensible stuff must only be spoken behind closed doors or out of earshot of the press...........
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Apr 06th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0be relax...don't be biased
as i said before ...i am independent/free man ...love/kiss all English but never love Monarchy.....
but you are right that asking is always easier than answering....
these are very easy three simple questions ..but ...to answering them is very heavy/hard....
as i said before i am strategicman a bit hard living with me ....
cornishair....my eternal mate...!
Frank & Conqueror please stop have a at Skare!. And to be honest conqueror your comments about gay people are pretty shocking in this day and age. Skare's comments are supportive of the Falkland islanders and his history with the dispute would make his comments very intresting.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Conqueror is just a “” subjective “” character not “” objective “”
Apr 06th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It can be fitered easily that who uses this name..I know who writes......
@96
Apr 06th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There was nothing to thank the British for. Easy answer.
The war was caused by the Junta falling apart. Again, the Brits have an interesting concept of cause and effect. Maybe that's why they are a country the believes preemptive war is really a defensive war, as Tony Blair eloquently conviced his people of.
Anyway, the opinions of British nationals over internal argentine affairs is thoroughly not of our interest within Argentina.
@103 Frank
Apr 06th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, so you really wonder whether all Argentinians are like the extremist trolls who come here, like flies to shit, because they want to counter extremist trolls like Conqueror? :)
In short: NO! Do you not think that a significant proportion of the Argentinians who come here ask themselves the exact same questions about the Brits?
I spent three years lecturing at the Escuela Nacional de Náutica (which is the national nautical school of Argentina) in Buenos Aires and in all that time I met remarkably few people who even come close to being represented by the jingoistic trolls you see commenting here (or indeed by the Falklands policy pursued by the government). Don't get me wrong, they still think the islands are Argentinian by rights, but very few really have the desire for bad blood.
Believe it or not, most Argentinians are very reasonable and intelligent people with very much the same aspirations as anyone else. They really aren't the cold-blooded freaks that some like to imagine so that they can depersonalise the whole prospect of doing them grievous harm.
It is just a symptom of forums like this. You get one extremist bragging about how the boys gave it to the Argies, that upsets someone and they then start giving it the government line and so on and so on until in the end it is an orgy of bizarre extremist utterances, with everyone sounding as bizarre as everyone else .. and none of it helped by dark humour and subtleties of language etc. missing the mark on both sides.
As an outsider, I can promise you that most of the Brits here come across as being just as unhinged and bizarre as most of the Argentinians.
Well said SKARE. Hope you are not including me in that. Though on occasion I will admit to taking the bait. It is a shame that a forum like this is not used more for constructive debate. After all todays technology allows me to sit here and correspond at the touch of a button with people around the world. It's incredible or should I say, incredulous, that, that technology seems to be used for little more than gingositic politicing and insults
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0| 108 |
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have not resolve these forums' machinating....
There is a fluent speaking Spanish poster but no any Argentines here.
@109 reality check
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, I think we all take the bait (and indeed dangle the bait) from time to time. We are after all only human and a little too easily offended :)
It is a shame that technology is used like that, but the desire not to hurt people, inhibitions and the needs to edit self-censor all seem to be forgotten a little too easily.
@108 - Skare, I'm not unhinged. My imaginary friend told me so. LOL.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wait the real Argentines to ask some questions...
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go# lol
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0104 you sound like my friend brian (Brazilian) :)
Sadly i think i have to be biased, i believe the people of the falklands have a right to be free and i hate it when people in power lie!. i don't hate argentineans, but i do hate there government. because they lie, then lie some more. i feel sad for them, because most of them can't see it themselfs. Yes and i know my government isn't perfect, no government is :/
i don't know why you dislike the monarchy, western Constitutional monarchies are some of the stabilise countries in the world. i'd hate to live in a republican country (see US elections for reasons why). Plus my Queen costs me something like 50p a year. think i'd happily pay more.
oh don't call me english :p
@114 cornishair
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must admit that I have problems reconciling the whole monarchy thing and accepting why the inbred crowned heads of England, Denmark and Norway are any different from Joe Bloggs on the street just because they are the heirs to some stupid old Danish Viking king called Gorm the Old who kicked the bucket in 958 .. and that is basically what it boils down to.
Why not follow the example of the Irish and have an elected ceremonial head of state who serves for seven years?
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Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0my eternal mate cornishair...
my reply to you merely could be “” genetic “”....
i know my family's whole history since circa 1500 s years...
which has being witness of wars,betrayals,hypocrisy,assassinations,massacres,migrations....etc.....
geneticly ,i prefer the regimes have admins can be handed down and hanged and tumbled if i have angry on them........that's simple....
frankly saying that this is our culture....................
The thing about most Monarchys today is that they reign by the will of the people, and by the whole do a good job for their people, well they do here anyway. The thing about states who do not have monarchys, is that they have no comprehension just exactly what it is they are, okay I confess, I have that problem too. All that would be required to change that, would be an act of parliament. Hey presto, the UK is a republic. One problem though, the last time that happenedwe experienced a bloody civil war, father against son, brother against brother. All in all, I think it's better to keep our monarchy. I would deffinately look better as a cavalier!
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(111) Skåre
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By ”dangling the bait from time to time” you mean cyber-insulting other people like this.:
69 Skåre
Think…. you are full of shit.
….. you cretin.
….. totally clueless and pig-ignorant dipshit.
73 Skåre
Think……du er en forfærdelig løgner
……forbandet racistiskt svin.
……gå ad helvede til med dit vrøvl.
77 Skåre
Think…..claims to be Swedish and since they were renown Nazi sympathisers….
93 Skåre
Think…….the unthinking dimwit
101 Skåre
Think……Pippilotta Viktualia Rullgardina Krusmynta Efraimsdotter Långstrump
(This one was unnecessarily harsh and really did hurt my feelings :-)
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/04/03/argentine-invasion-of-the-falklands-a-profound-wrong-says-pm-cameron
All that good stuff in just ONE thread
Chuckle chuckle®
Dandy ;)
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0115 I get your point, as long as the head of state has no power. If it works for the irish good on them, but the monarchy is part of us, part of the national identity (britishness). And they do a hell of a lot of good work be it charitable, diplomatic, Financial (have you soon all the amercians at buckingham place). I'm a realist, but of me happily die for my Queen (strange concept).
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@118 Think
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, but you loved the attention and teasing, Mr Think ;)
oh god this time: part of me would happily die for my queen :)
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(121) Skåre
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are confusing me with Isolde......
@122 cornishair
Apr 06th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, you want to be a dandy cavalier who dies for his drag queen?
I'm not sure what Conqueror would make of that sort of deviancy ;)
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Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't ruminate by using “” Conqueror“” name again....
ha! lol :)
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spent my childhood visits most of the castles, forts and histoical ships in the country. History is in my blood, and hells yea cavaliar all the way. just look at what cornwall did.
did you say KFC?
@123 Think
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah, Isolde wasn't the one winding me up by calling me “little brother” and “Prince Knud” all the time ;)
@126 cornishair
Kentucky Fried Chicken? Well, if you insist I will have a Cheesy BBQ Roller ;)
@115 Skare, I have to disagree with you and agree with cornishair.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Queen is a non partisan Head of State, unlike Presidents who are political animals and will often put their own political survival above the needs of the country. Since the Queen has nothing to lose or gain allows her the freedom to advise and pass on her wisdom gained over many years to whoever is in Government. In the event of a hung Parliament she can send the MPs back to the polls for another election. Should a Parliament become unable to continue she can dissolve it and insist on a new election.
She is a vital balance that stops one person from obtaining absolute power and becoming a dictator. She rules by the will of the people. I also believe that she is the longest serving Head of State in the world, and commands respect from many different people around the world. Her counsel is sort after, with the full security that what was discussed will never be leaked.
She reads every Government paper, and never shirks her duty. She is an ambassador for good will. I remember seeing a programme at the time of her Golden Jubilee. A Lady in Waiting of the Queens reminisced about the tour around the Empire (as it still was in those days), and a particular memory of South Africa surfaced. The Queen was on a slow moving train travelling across the country. At every crossing along the railway tracks, people had gathered for a chance to see her. So she stood by the open window and waved to them. Her Lady in Waiting asked her why she bothered, as the people would probably only get a fleeting glimpse of her, and it meant that the Queen had to stand up every few minutes. The Queen replied, “these people have travelled great distances to see me. The least I can do is stand at the door and wave back to them.”
Of course we did try getting rid of the Monarchy once, and we ended up with a dictator so bad that he made every previous King and Queen seem like saints in comparison.
Cornwell#
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0127 i would ask for a leg, but looking at it think i will pass hehe :)
@128 LEPRecon
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, it is cool. It is none of my business - I was just commenting on the fact that I find it pretty difficult to reconcile the relevance of a 1,000 year old birthright from a time when London had 5,000 inhabitants and Baghdad was by far the largest city in the world. But, by all means do your own thing and I am certainly not advocating bloody revolution .. at least not if I am allowed to laugh at Charles' ears ;)
I wait the real Argentine posters to chat.....
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh no its ok they are Germans/(Dutch) genetically speaking.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 097
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Mercopress for removing this post as per my request.
Skåre…..
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need to learn the house rules….
1) Anglos are always right
2) Never criticize the Queen
3) Diegos, and all the rest of the brownish rubble are always wrong.
4) Never criticize the Queen
5) Anglos are never wrong.
6) Never criticize the Queen.
7) Diegos, and all the rest of the brownish rubble are never right.
8) Never criticize the Queen.
9) Mention the Nazis on every third comment.
10) Did I mention that you must never criticize the Queen?
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Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no Dutch....!
134 Think
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like there is a new one about you not posting links ;)
135 did Walliam of Orange not spread his seed (so to speak) ? must of missed that one....
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not new......
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The “excuse” is that I didn't write in Ingrish.
Rules say: “Comments must be in Ingrish”
Pity for the Fleksnes link.
It was good.
128 LEPrecon
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good post; I like it. You've summed up my view of the queen nicely there. Having met most of the senior members of the royal family in the past 20 years after previously being unsure about their role and sell by date, I am a total fan. The stability they give our countries is remarkable and I think they still have an ongoing place at least in the UK and many other countries. Certainly places such as Australia (mature and fully developed country which has a very different focus these days) will, in the future, cut the umbilical cord but not the UK or the Falklands.
God Save the queen (not that I believe in God but hey...)
@137 cornishair
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had a very smutty nautical comeback to that, but in the interests of decency .......
@130 Skare everyone has the right to their own opinion, I just expressed mine on the Monarchy. The are even some people in Britain who wish to become a Republic, strange as they may seem to me. LOL Even Think who can't actually formulate any serious arguments about anything has the right to his own opinion, but he is harmless and sometimes amusing.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you think about it this way, every Head of State is technically a Monarch, if only for a few years, we just call them Presidents.
But for me and many others in Britain a Constutional Monarchy works. I think we are still still suffering traumatic genetic memories from the last and only non-Monarch we had - Oliver Cromwell.
( 134 )
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You forgot no :11 to write in your native language
(as reading)
11) Pazavite pajalusta nasil şika.
eto vayo ?
@141 LEPRecon
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, Think is cool enough and good for a bit of banter .. and he is sort of from that place that had the bright idea to buy the services of some French dandy from Napoleon's court to be their sit on their throne ;)
137 did you say you were, danish seamen :p
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@144 cornishair
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No - Norwegian
145 damn!
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( 143 )
Apr 06th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Am I right on comment (142 ) ?
@122 All the same to you, served her for 35 years, prefered to live, now have a nice pension. I think you mean Cromwell, or given your name, perhaps you do mean Cornwall, apologies.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@130 Skarre. Have you seen them in real life! man they are impressive, only Martine CLUNES as a better pair.
@134
1. Racist.
2. Bigot.
3. Nationalist.
4. Racist.
5. Bigot.
6, Nationalist.
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.
If that's the best you can post, do me a favou, don't bother
142
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please follow the rules of this site. Reported.
@144 cornishair
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0… and yes I did get that smut and deliberately chose deadpan it :)
@147 MurkyThink
I don't know. I don't understand Slovenian, or whatever.
We got a V I P !
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(139) Joe Bloggs says:
“Having met most of the senior members of the royal family in the past 20 year”
I say:
We’re not Worthy…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FucbvoFFy0
That’s what I luuuuuuuv from MercoPress comment section.
You get to mingle with la Crème de la Crème ;-)
PS:
Skåre….
You must admit that Monarchy has some positive sides….
Mette-Marit’s frontside for example
Or Pippa’s backside…..
( 149 )
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No :11) ( follows the rule of this site )
( 150 )
It is not Slovenian .
Ask Think ,can back to you to say the meaning.
@148 reality check
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, but I got caught in a sudden force 10 gale caused by him turning his head unexpectedly ;)
@151 Think
True enough, but is that enough to make up for the obvious long-term results of too much inbreeding? I mean, give it another few generations and some of them will look like Mumintrolls ;)
I am very certain he(she) will say ..-- Praşşayte-- !
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@154 MurkyThink
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gesundheit
@151 Think, you have every right not to like the British Royal Family. However they are really nice, friendly people.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I work at a hospital in the UK where wounded soldier's are treated. On extremely rare occasions a politician turns up to 'visit' the wounded troops. You can't move due to the huge number of journalists there to record the 'caring' face of the politicians, as they use it for political leverage to get their faces othe TV, in news papers, and the like.
Prince Charles visits the wounded regularly. No press are told he's coming, because the visit isn't about him, it's about the wounded men and women. He meets them and the medical and nursing staff who look after them. He brings the wounded biscuits and chocolates - wait for it, cornishair don't hold your breath - from the Duchy of Cornwall.
I had the honour and privilege of meeting him, and a nicer bloke I've never met. The one thing that I will say is that he's a lot shorter in real life than he appears on the TV. After meeting him I wondered if short people were put around him to make him look taller, or maybe it's just the camera angles.
@153 Skare.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well now you see, having rather large peripheral appendages myself, I can rather empathise with my future king. Several years ago I had to have a Melanoma removed from below my LEFT eye. My rather beautiful surgeon, Scandanavian I believe (sorry I didn't get his name,) explained to me how they would remove skin from behind my RIGHT ear, to repair the hole the operation would leave. No matter how much I begged, I could not persuade (her realy,) to remove an equal amount of skin from behind my RIGHT ear. Gods honest truth. So now in a high wind, I walk with a starboard tilt and have a hell of a job convincing the neighbours I'm not drunk. It's true, I swear it.
148-129
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry :p i have silly idea of honour. my father was in the RN as a aircraft tech, in the 4th frigate Squadron but he didn't sail with the ships in 82. been around the military all my life and i like the concept of doing for the good of the country...
@157 reality check
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that. I am laughing so hard that I am crying ;)
something#
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well the bit about the operation was true, anyway.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@161 What about the bit about being drunk? True or False?
Apr 06th, 2012 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello LEPRecon. Just about to leave you a post. The ears, true, the operation, true, sadly, depending what day and what time you see me, that could also be true.
Apr 06th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Small world, I also work in an hospital. I do not know where yours is, but thanks for all the good care you give to the lads.
A couple of months ago, a young wounded marine came to our hospital to visit his nan. She had just had a hip relacement. He was in a wheelchair, having lost a leg, just above the knee, to an IED, six weeks before. Damn he was good, every inch a marine.
your right about Charles, I first saw him in 75, when he came to my passing out parade. I had only seen him on TV before that and was struck by how short he was. He was being escorted by some of the girls. I suppose even then they were concious of his height.
The drill sergeant told us, that he would drop his pace stick, when he saw the prince, to signal the band to play, God save the Prince of Wales. The prince would then come out of a flight of stairs and inspect the parade.
Anyway, the prince must have been briefed on this. As soon as he saw the pace stick drop, he stopped on the stairs, stepping out when the band stopped. Man I can still see the drill sergeant now, waving that pace stick about like a mad man, trying to get the band to stop playing. I don't think he ever got over it.
Keeep up the good work, look forward to reading more of your well constructed posts.
I don't think there can be a Brit who hasn't heard of Simon Weston; who received horribly disfiguring when the Sir Galahad was attacked in Bluff Cove and has since become the most recognisable of Falklands veterans. If you really want to understand how most people who were there feel about the Argentinians on the other side, then take a moment to read what Simon says about the pilot who was responsible for the attack in which he was injured, and many of his friend and comrades were killed:
Apr 07th, 2012 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0In October last year, Simon joined Argentine President Carlos Menem and other dignitaries at St Paul's Cathedral in a service of reconciliation. Following his initial meeting in Argentina with pilot Carlos Cachon, Carlos and his wife, Graciela, have visited Simon's home and met the Weston family.
“I have no bitterness towards him because what he did wasn't personal,” says Simon. “It was an instant thing. This is a war fought honourably. It was a man doing his job, wearing a uniform.
” There's a huge difference because there are no dirty tricks going on here - it's an honourable battle. The fight is the fight. But I'd been holding myself to ransom for so long I needed to meet him and he played a great role in helping me. He's a lovely guy.”
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2001/09/07/i-m-honoured-i-m-just-a-little-fat-bloke-100252-11289751/
I remeber the documentary they made for TV about him, shortly after the war. There were scenes of doctors removing dressings from his burns. I remember that despite the medication, he was in agony! his burns were horrendous. I'm not suprised he holds no grudges, he's that type of person. It makes me wonder though, whether I would have the strength of character to do the same.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0where is El Think ... ??
Apr 07th, 2012 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0became “” desaparecidos “”..??
(73) honoria
Apr 07th, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
(52) It's ours, Troneas, it's ours. And you have so little to offer us, not even genuine friendship.
I say:
I “Think” that the above comment was directed at me….., Mr.Think.
Dear Honoria.......
WE don’t have to offer you anything.
It is not US....; its YOU who are the offending part.
It is YOU that came here in 1833 and kicked US out of them Islands.
It is YOU that today,in 2012, are the spearhead for the BRITISH domination and exploitation of 12,000,000 square km of South-Atlantic territory.
It is YOU that will have to offer something instead of saying ”Bugger Off” and hope the problem will disappear.
It WON'T
(121) Skåre
Nope, I don’t enjoy getting insulted and I usually don’t interact with insulting posters.
(Cher Isolde is an exception, I’m kind of her sponsor, trying to keep her from the bottle ;-)
But, I put up with you because I knew that a pair of cool, intelligent and well hung Scandinavians like us could prevent some of the lesser turnips eternal parroting of the following potpourri.:
Nazi… communist… fascist… socialist…. racist… humanist…. bigot… etc. etc. etc.
Let the professional turnips as Conqueror or Frank, the Yank do that.
And indeed, you turned out to be a good “mole” for the promotion of a positivistic and balanced point of view on Argentinean affairs and realities.
Speaking about Frank, the Yank……., I can see that you too, took an immediate dislike to his utterings and mutterings.
Don’t waste too much time on him though…..
He is a dreadful sailor that stubbornly maintains that ALL vessels may sail the Strait of Magellan without compulsory pilotage!
And, to make things worse, some smartass Argie cheated him on the reparation of his boat in Tigre.........
He has developed quite a distaste for all Argentinean since.
@167 Think
Apr 07th, 2012 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, so you didn't like it when I returned the medicine you handed out when you accused all Danes of being German collaborators? Maybe you should be careful what you start ;)
As a professional seaman, it is my humble opinion that anyone who sails the Strait of Magellan without experienced pilotage is a suicidal fool .. and whether it is compulsory, or not, is irrelevant to that judgement.
(and yes, it is absolutely compulsory unless you are sailing directly from one ocean to the other avoiding all internal waters .. but even then most simply don't have the skills and experience to do it without pilot assistance)
16 Skare said
Apr 07th, 2012 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I'll leave you to say that to the pilots who, with an 'ARGENTINA' tab on the shoulder of their RAF uniforms, stood tall alongside Czechs, Poles, Frenchmen and Norwegians and helped to save Britain's bacon at the Battle of Britain”.
In the words of Winston Churchill: “Never in the field of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to so few”.
Absolutely and Norway, where I think you claim to come from, has been a close ally and trusted friend of Britain for many years. Gratitude for British assistance in liberating their Country from the Nazis has extended to the present day.
Four points
1) The Argentine pilots who volunteered to fight for Britain were of overwhelmingly British descent.
2) The Argentine pilots were assigned to Bomber Command and Coastal Command and did not feature as fighter pilots in what is known as the Battle of Britain
3) Of the 2927 Battle of Britain Pilots 2353 were British. The next largest contingents were Poles (145) and New Zealanders (135).
4) After the war many of these British descended Argentine pilots decided not to live back in Argentina because of the lack of respect and outright hostility shown to them by the Argentinian Government, who were sympathetic to the Nazi Germany.
As for Simon Weston, here we have a Brit who suffered terrible injuries and still feels passionately that the Falkland Islands and Falkland Islanders were well worth fighting for. I recently watched an interview where Simon completely demolished a so called Argentine academic trying to justify Argentine sovereignty.
1)They weren't all assigned to coastal command
Apr 07th, 2012 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 02) Whether they were specifically in the battle of Britain (and I strongly dispute none were) is as irrelevant as what their descent is .. if they were pilots in the RAF at that time, then they were freeing up other pilots who were in the battle. Same difference.
Ladies & Gentlemen
Apr 07th, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0As you see some ignorant characters believe once Argentine Militar
Junta killed many many people....
As you see almost all of them still alive also learned computer using...
@171 McClick
Apr 07th, 2012 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0You being first and foremost amongst the ignorant, yes?
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Apr 07th, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0thanks for your compliment...
(168) Skåre
Apr 07th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I didnt “accuse” no Danes…
I mentioned the historical, well documented fact of the Danish “Samarbejdspolitik”.
I referred to the historical, well documented fact of Montgomery’s wish and intention to declare Denmark an “Enemy Country “ at WWII end.
I referred to the historical, well documented fact of the Danish Defense Ministry giving written permission and even encouraging Danish officers to join the Wehrmacht.
Much of the same could be said (proved and documented) about Sweden and Norway in the years between 1939 / 1945.
Please, stop that naïve posing as “We were/are the goodies”, squeaky clean Scan-Europeans …..
We where /are certainly not!
Nobody was/is.
Murderous “Cousin against Cousin” WWII didn’t just happened from thin air…you know?
It was a prolongation of Murderous “Cousin against Cousin” WWI..
Murderous “Cousin against Cousin” WWI didn’t just happened from thin air… you know?
It was a prolongation of murderous “Cousin against Cousin” War of…
And so on…. and on.....“In Eternuum”…
170
Apr 07th, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Agreed, that's why you will see I also mentioned Bomber Command.
2) Strongly dispute by all means but what do you base your argument on?
It is relevant because you specifically mentioned the Battle of Britain and even quoted a Churchill speech specifically praising the RAF during the Battle of Britain.
Descent is also relevant because you previously raised it in an earlier comment.
@174 Thin
Apr 07th, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0When have I said that we were squeaky clean? Can't really claim that when I come from the country that gave the world words like 'quisling ' :)
@175 Be serious
No, I didn't raise descent. I responded to those who, like you have done, used descent in a racially dismissive manner.
@ 167 Think
Apr 07th, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not so friendly now, I see.
To answer your suggestions:
Yes you do
No we are not
Rubbish and you know it
Yes we are
No we don't
I agree that your YOUR problem is unlikely to disappear off YOUR radar for a very long time but you have to appreciate that we have other things to do such as continuing to develop our peaceful, politically stable, economically viable 21st century country. Apart from the time I spend dallying here I give the frenzied outpourings of Argentina very little thought. So seethe over your invented injustice and jealousy, rattle your sabres, shame yourself in front of the whole world with your crazy accusations .... then when you have got over yourselves and can speak to us rationally and
reasonably, come back and have a proper discussion and perhaps we can work out how to be friends.
@170 and 175. At the end of the Battle of Britain Film there is a list of how many pilots who fought in the Battle of Britain, and it lists their nationalities. I know for a fact that Argentina is on there, but can't say for sure how many of them there were.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for Skare, I agree with you, what does it matter who these men were descended from, whether Spanish, French, German, Italian, Irish, British? The truth is they fought for the freedom of Britain, and by extension the freedom of the World.
My own grandfather left the Republic of Ireland to join the British Army in fighting against the Axis. He never returned to the republic, which is probably why I'm British and not Irish! LOL
175
Apr 07th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0So no evidence at all. I present you with facts and you resort to abuse.
Ok at least we know where we stand.
Here are a few more facts
You mentioned the Argentinians were mainly descended from Italians.
I mentioned “genes” and you turned it into a racial slur and brought up Winston Churchill and the Battle of Britain.
Its another fact that during the 2nd WW the Italians (unlike their Nazi German allies) constantly surrendered to the British 8th Army even when they had massive numerical superiority.
Perhaps its in the Italian/Argentine genes to enjoy life, appreciate art, eat, drink, fuck and be happy. War might be something they despise and something they are not very good at......And who could possibly blame them for that.
(177) Honoria
Apr 07th, 2012 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”Not so friendly now, I see……..
……..when you have got over yourselves and can speak to us rationally and reasonably, come back and have a proper discussion and perhaps we can work out how to be friends.”
I say:
You Brits have already fooled us twice with what YOU call “rational”, “reasonable” and “proper” negotiations.
Nothing else than British stalling techniques, as WE all know.
First time was in the 70’s
Second time was in the 90’s
It will not be a third time…
@168 that was a minor slip on my part when I pulled Thicko up on his statement that Argentina controlled all of the Magellan Straits and decided who could pass and who could not. Thicko has been like a dog with a bone with it ever since.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stick around and you will soon see his true form.....
Magellan isn't all that challenging... Paso Shoal is another story.....
@179 - It was once commented that during the Falklands War that the Argentians often fought in a similar way to the Italians in WW2.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Italians often put up a terrific fight sometimes lasting days and then weeks, and then would just surrender. Many of the Argentine troops in the Falklands fought the same way, initially fiercely, then they just stopped.
Is this because of some genetic anomaly in their makeup? Nope! It all comes down to one thing - morale.
One of the underpinning tenants of warfare regards the morale of the troops, which is why propaganda is so important. This is why a larger and well equiped force can sometimes be defeated by a smaller force.
Morale - don't underestimate it. Many of the Italians in WW2 had low morale because they believed (quite rightly in some cases) that they had been abandoned, not only by their government, but by their own military hierarchy.
During the Falklands war, the Argintine troops had similar feeling. Once morale collapses, it is extremely difficult to build back up.
@179 Be serious
Apr 07th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Where have you presented facts? At the moment they are just claims that could be copied from the most unreliable of unreliable: Wikipedia.
2) I did not claim that Argentinians ARE mainly descended from Italians - and spoke of my subjective experience - so if you are going to twist my words in order to suit your nefarious purposes, then at least have the decency to do it convincingly. Besides, it was you who turned a light-hearted and non-stigmatising comment to LEPRecon into into a justification for blaming Italian genes for a (rather dubious) claim about an “Argentinian tendency to surrender or run away”
3) So are you now claiming that you didn't very deliberately use ethnicity / decent in order to distinguish between different types of Argentinians?
As for the rest: Whatever .. I'm as bored with Anglo racists as I am Argentinian racists and neither is any better than the other.
@ 182
Apr 07th, 2012 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is probably Think's problem. Rather than deal with his low morale and low self esteem by doing something to sort out the tinpot dictatorship he lives in, or doing something about the country he claims he has a problem with i.e. Britain, he would rather lash out at a smaller neighbour because they are an easy target. Classic bullying.
Again Frank, the Yank being “easy” with the truth.......
Apr 07th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I NEVER stated that “Argentina controlled all of the Magellan Straits and decided who could pass and who could not”
Simply because Argentina does NOT “control all of the Magellan Straits or decides who can pass and who can not”
This is all on record on MercoPress's archive and Frank the Yank knows it perfectly.
He is still pissed at Prefectura because they fined him for improper navigation.........
'Easy with the truth?' That is rather rich coming from you Thicko....
Apr 07th, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting to see you have dug up the 'yank' thing again..... nice alliteration but everyone else has sorted my origins several summers back.....
And no... never fined by the Prefectura for anything... pissed orf with an organisation that has uniformed officers putting overtime payments directly into their skyrockets..... argentinian corruption and double speak... endemic from top to bottom
@179 Oh and just to show you that the collapse of morale isn't a parculiarly Italian/Latin phenomenon how about these.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0France 1940 - the French Army outnumbered the Germany Army. The French had some of the best soldiers in the world at the time. A French General made tactical error by assuming the the Ardenne was impassable, so he placed his worst, least experienced troops there.
A small force of Germans broke through, causing panic amongst the inexperienced French troops. This panic spread throughout the troops and up the chain of command.
Convinced that the Germans would make for Paris, the General pulled back his best troops to defend the city. This made the breach worse, and French morale began to collapse. The 'Sickle Cut' manoeuvre, as Hitler called it, was designed to trap the British Expeditionary Force, and some of the best French Troops (who had assumed that the Germans would attack through Belgium). The British Command managed to keep the morale of their troops up, who fought a rear guard action that allowed the evacuation of Dunkirk to happen. But it was a disasterous defeat for the allies.
In 1942 Singapoure. The British suffered a massive and humiliating defeat at the hands of a smaller Japanese force, because morale of the troops and the chain of command collapsed. Some 20,000 troops had landed in Singapoure just days before to reinforce the garrison already there, and surrendered without a shot being fired.
So no, it is not a genetic trait at all. It is a Human trait.
When morale is kept up, surprising things can happen. Think of Rorke's Drift, when approx 100 British troops held out for days against 4000 Zulu warriors, until reinforcements arrive to relieve them.
(184) Honoria
Apr 07th, 2012 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0We ARE “doing something about the Country we have a problem with i.e. Brrrritain”
Malvinas Islands are militarily occupied by Brrritain.
You squatters are Brrritish.
You say so yourselves.
And Brrrritain is NO easy target, my dear Jethro friend…..
183 Skare
Apr 07th, 2012 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Funny you should mention Wikipedia because your Atlantic Causeway “claims” look like they've been lifted almost entirely from the most unreliable of unreliable.
@ 188 - There is no such place as Malvinas Islands. I can't find them on any map!LOL
Apr 07th, 2012 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You also seem to have a speech impediament which has transferred to you type written words. Can't you pronounce your R's correctly?
By the way Think, when are you going to stop squatting in South America and give the land back to the Native South American tribes? Once you and every single non native person in the whole of South America does that, maybe the people of the Falkland Islands might give some consideration to leaving the Falklands.
But since the Devil will be skating to work on the day you imperialistic, colonial invaders of the South American continent give the natives their land back, I don't think Honoria or any of her fellow citizens of the Falkalnds have anything to worry about.
Double standards Think, are a dishonourable trait in anyone, and certainly in any nation.
@189 Be serious
Apr 07th, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that an accusation .. or are you just trying to lay a smokescreen to avoid having to admit that you did lift your 'facts' from Wikipedia? If it is an accusation, then let's have the evidence. Prick!
Perhaps you want extra information that the only reason the Causeway arrived after the Conveyor was that she had a
182 LEPRecon
Apr 07th, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll take your word for it about the Italians putting up resistance during WW2, its just I've never come across it before. I have read that the Italians people were not really interested and preferred indulging in the good things of life.
I understand what you are saying about morale and it might be the case that the British morale was higher because they were fighting for the Falkland Islanders, their own kith and kin whilst the Argentinians were fighting for land which they knew when they got there wasn't really theirs.
190 LEPRecon
Argentina is a dishonourable nation. Even if we came to an agreement with them over the Islands (which isn't going to happen) we could never trust them to keep their word. They have a very bad track record in that respect.
Anyway, have a lot of time for the Irish, north and south. Large numbers of Irish soldiers left the Irish Army and joined the British Army during 2ndWW. Wikipedia (the most unreliable of unreliable) also credits the Irish with having 10 pilots who actually fought during the Battle of Britain.
Hit enter too soon by accident.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you want extra information that the only reason the Causeway arrived after the Conveyor was that she had a a ski-jump (that is in wikipedia) and a makeshift aircraft hanger (that bit isn't in Wikipedia) added at Devonport. Go and check it out if you like.
193 Skare
Apr 07th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have been direct with me so I'll be direct with you. I don't believe you are Norwegian and I don't believe you were on the Atlantic Causeway.
Your extra information is a “joke” so I wont “go and check it out if you like”.
I think we understand each other, prick.
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Apr 07th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@192 - You could try reading some history books instead of getting all your information from Wikipeadia. There was also an excellent televsion documentary about WW2 in the 70's called 'The World at War'. It's got about 22 hour long episodes, and each episode concentrates on a different aspect of the war, and interview soldiers who fought on both sides.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the Allies invaded Italy, the Italians initally put up stiff resistance against them, and then when the Mussoline government fell, many of the Italians (who thought that they'd been fighting on the wrong side in the first place), switched and fought their former allies the Germans. They did so with gusto, and knowing that the Germans considered them to be traitors and would of executed them instead of taking them prisoner. But he morale of the Italians at this point was high.
I have to agree with Skare that your generalisations about the Argentinians and their genetic make up borders on racism. It is not a nice thing at all. Look at my post @187, which clearly shows that morale is a huge factor in any victory regardless of genetic makeup.
As for the Argentinians, they truly believed that they were liberating the Falklands and the people who lived there, so initally their morale was high, and they thought they were fighting for a true cause.
Bad leadership, from both the Military Junta, and their own officers plus British propaganda undermined their morale, making them unsure of themselves and their ability to fight. That is how you truly win wars, whilst minimising the loss of life on both sides.
Did you know that the Argentine forces on Mount William abandoned their positions rather than face the Gurkha's because they believed British propaganda about their stealth, cunning and ruthlessness in battle?
188.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. No your not really doing anything & what you are doing makes most people on here laugh at KFC and twitterman lol
2. I've heard of Iles Malouines a french colony. Malvinas sounds like weird spanish corruption of a french name. oh! wait you mean the FALKLAND ISLANDS. Do you understand the concept of defence? it the oppsite of invading one's neighbours.
3. You squatters are Argentinean (European settlers)
Honoria, I wouldn't listen to “think” lol all that made up shit about 1833. He's proberly smashing his head against the wall saying “i want my los malvinas back”. People should feel sorry for the brainwashed(/less?)
By the way Think, when are you going to stop squatting in South America and give the land back to the Native South American tribes? Once you and every single non native person in the whole of South America does that, maybe the people of the Falkland Islands might give some consideration to leaving the Falklands.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? ignorant.When the Spaniards landed in the River Plate,what is called now Argentina,had at most 300,000 natives.There was no city of importance.Most of the natives were in Peru.The INca empire did not extended to Argentina.Buenos Aires was founded by Spain,1536.Nothing was there.MAlvinas was a dependency from Buenos Aires.MAny natives died because of unknown disease,tranfered by the Spaniards.
@198 Malvinero1
Apr 07th, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the Spanish landed in the River Palate, they only colonised a small part of what is now Argentina.
Even after independence from Spain, much of what is now Argentina was not part of the independent country and was invaded by, and ethnically cleansed by, the new state.
Nice piece of highly selective editing though.
@ 198 - what does it matter how many natives there were whether is was 300,000 or 3,000? You still stole their land, and think that's ok. No one lived on the Falklands before the colonists, whose descendants are still there, yet you accuse them of colonialism whilst blantantly ignoring your own ancestors colonialism.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have seen posts by you and those of similar views to you constantly blast the British for colonising places like India, Austrialia, Africa, Canada and New Zealand, despite there being native peoples already there and calling us evil Imperialist invaders.
So what does that make your ancestors? Yes evil Imperialist invaders, no more or less. Stop with the double standards. There is no honour in it, and you just show yourself to be a fool.
200 I think Marvina01 is making a “profound error” in glorifying coloinalism lol :)
Apr 07th, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@198 Malvinero1
Apr 07th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You also seem to go out of your way to mention the Incas, yet carefully avoid any mention of the far more populous Mapuche, Kolla, Toba, Guaraní, Wichí, Diaguita, Mocoví, and Huarpe peoples.
In fact, the Inca were just one of the thirty-six indigenous tribes of what is now Argentina.
202 Becareful we don't want to remine the people of Argentina that their history is a bloody as everyone else's :)
Apr 07th, 2012 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@203 cornishair
Apr 07th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, admitting to it would highlight why Argentina objects to self-determination. Despite repeated demands, they steadfastly deny peoples like the Mapuche the autonomy, ancestral lands and cultural identity they ask for .. instead giving priority to the colonial transplant squatters ;)
204 It sounds like Rhodesia!. I think its time to gave part of Patagonia back to the South america's (native) if any are left?
Apr 07th, 2012 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@205 cornishair
Apr 07th, 2012 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What an excellent analogy. It really is like a Rhodesia ruled by Cristina Fernández de Smith
@205. Hey cornishair, how are you today?
Apr 07th, 2012 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good comments, but I fear that it will go over the heads of our indoctrinated Argentine bloggers. ;-)
give#
Apr 07th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shame the Argentinean's did so well with their ethnic cleansing campaign's.
Skare AKA Billy Liar
Apr 07th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Temper temper you excitable old fraud.
Remember your 50 year old ticker might not be able to take the strain.
Having said that, it might be fun to watch you croak.
@ 188 Think
Apr 07th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If what you say is true and you ARE doing something about your grievance against Britain, why are you trying to starve us out and not the Military?
Answer: because it's too difficult, so instead you pick on the civilian population who are an easy target. Classic bullying.
@209 Be serious
Apr 07th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still trying to divert attention away from the fact that you have run out of excuses for being a racist scumbag? Sad tosser.
@209 Be serious. I haven't seen any indication that Skare has lied. Just because he doesn't agree with you and you inane rantings about race and genetic make up.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In which posts has Skare lied? None, that's the truth.
My suggestion - go away, read a few books on history, try several about the same topic but by different authors. This will allow you to get a general overview of the situations leading up to, during and after said historical event.
Then come back and give reasoned arguments without resorting to childish name calling.
LEPREcon
Apr 07th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the end of the Battle of Britain Film there is a list of how many pilots who fought in the Battle of Britain, and it lists their nationalities. I know for a fact that Argentina is on there, but can't say for sure how many of them there were.
LEPREcon
There was also an excellent televsion documentary about WW2 in the 70's called 'The World at War'. It's got about 22 hour long episodes, and each episode concentrates on a different aspect of the war, and interview soldiers who fought on both sides.
Yeah, lots of good stuff on the telly and in films.
@213 - well perhaps you should try watching a few documentaries, or try cracking open a few books.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The list of those who fought in the Battle of Britain came straight from official records. Just because it doesn't fall in with your limited world view doesn't mean it should be ignored.
Hey LEPRecon Good day to you too Sir.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anuone know where the “opposition” are i wana play! (argue)
214 LEPREcon
Apr 07th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Managed to expand my limited world and found this. Think you've seen it before but always good to refresh your memory.
http://youtu.be/AXvEXxxx9KM
Bit disappointed though because it mentions a pilot from Israel and as we all know Israel didn't exist then.
Oh well not to worry, bloody good film.
What was that about the Official Records and the 800 Argentine pilots. Was that on the telly as well?
Actually, just going through the official Battle of Britain Memorial Trust records and there are plenty of pilots from Argentina; but because they had dual nationality they are mostly listed as British.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone# (God i hate typing)
Apr 07th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Israel thats a country i could argue about :) (and no i'm not anti-semitic).
Oh, and two Danish Battle of Britain pilots who, according to Wikipedia, supposedly don't exist either.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@216 - regarding the subject of the Israeli pilot, he was actually Palestinian, as you are correct the end of the film states his is an Israeli. I'm not sure why, but it is probable that the pilot was Jewish, and after all the unpleasantness of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in the 50's and 60's the change in nationality was politically motivated.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the Argentine pilots, I believe that Skare has answered that @217.
I was wrong on the number of pilots. 800 volunteered as pilots, but around half of them ended up flying as gunners, radio operators etc.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Cornishair and others, Chileans have no real desire to invade Argentina. Nor for that matter Peru or Bolivia, but if they attack us, they'll get a bloody nose as we are well defended. A lot of residents from San Juan and Mendoza come here for vacation and they are very well received. Most of them realize that their Peso will eventually collapse and have bank accounts in Montevideo. The once very highly regarded Argentinean Air-force is a complete disaster and their army is completely demoralized with outdated poorly maintained equipment. Their navy is somewhat better off, and well armed, but our two Scorpène class submarines will keep them neutralized for the next few years. What's really sad is that they always blame everyone else for their problems, when frankly they have no one to blame except themselves. If we do take Patigonia... LAN flights to Port Stanley will be completely assured.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0212 LEPREcon
Apr 07th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then come back and give reasoned arguments without resorting to childish name calling.
Ah come on I only called the old fraud a prick once.
I've only ever been nice and reasonable to you.
217 Billy
Good to see you doing a bit of research. Who knows tomorrow you might come back claiming to be Douglas Bader. Except he's dead isn't he ...still.
@223 Be loody liar
Apr 07th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Diddums, does it offend you that some Argentinians have done more for Britain than you could ever dream of doing?
Of course, this is still just a diversion from your ridiculous racist claims .. not one of which you have been able to substantiate.
@220 - Chicureo - well said.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@223 Be loody liar
Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I notice that you still haven't been able to point out where I have lied about my nationality, or serving on the causeway. Strange that as a supposed non-Norwegian I have been able to converse in open forum in three different Scandinavian languages with the only other Scandinavian speaker in here that I am aware of .. and successfully convince him of my nationality, despite his own early reluctance to believe that there could be another Nordic in these parts.
So the reasonable conclusion there is that you simply accuse people of being a liar in order to distract attention from your own lies.
224 Billy
Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not offended at all old boy just making sure all lies and liars are well and truly nailed.
I would have been delighted if British descended Argentine pilots had returned to defend the mother Country in the Battle of Britain, only they didn't. Very happy that they did in fact fight alongside their fellow Brits in Coastal Command and Bomber Command.
I know for a fact that you are a liar when it comes to the Atlantic Causeway and after that I could never believe a word you say about anything.
If it helps you to regard me as a racist because I think Argentinians and Italians share the same reputation for surrendering and running away. Well go for it.
226 Skare i believe you are, who you say you are (could be wrong). i have no reason to lie on this site & i hold everyone to my standard. You have a good arguement and we're all here to talk/banter. Now back to the real question:
Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine Vs Chile (then and now)
military & international Politick :)
(210) Honoria
Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Starve you out” you say….
Are we playing the victim now?
Lots of mutton and kelp around my dear!
And lots and lots of ships and planes arriving every week from everywhere.
If you “think” that mangos, papayas and lychees are too expensive for the Kelper proletariat; go and ask your local council aka the FIG(leaf) to subsidize them instead of sending a team of seventy (70) man strong to the Islands Games in Europe, all expenses paid.
“Starve you out”, you say….
Look around you lass…….. Actually , we would be doing you a favor, helping you getting rid of all that disgusting, new acquired obesity wobbling around town.
Have another piece of cake.........
@227 Be serious
Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well you have certainly been well and truly nailed as a liar, so I guess you mission is accomplished. Doesn't look like you've found anything on me though .. and claiming to “know for a fact” is clearly just saving face when you very obviously don't know for a fact.
230 Billy
Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah, you're the liar you old git. I know it and you know it.
Of course for a 50 year old, you sure are childish. Have you been lying about your age as well?
@231 Be serious
Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Show us the proof then, or forever be a gobby racist shite who will say anything to distract attention from what embarrasses him.
Unlike you, I don't need to lie and juggle multiple online identities.
229 think........?
Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whats wrong “think” are you one of the descendants of the four settlers that left in 1833? You seem bitter........
@227 - you have the right to believe whatever you want to believe but it doesn't make it true. You have yet to produce one bit evidence to back up your claim, except some stupid stereotype, made up quite often as propaganda in WW2.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1944, the allies invaded Italy calling it the soft underbelly of Europe, believing that it would be easier to gain a foothold here than in France where the Germans were imbedded. After months of fighting, the allied forces renamed Italy the 'tough old boot', because the fighting was so savage, boot was in reference to the shape of Italy. Hardly the pushovers and cowards you would have us believe. The invasion of Normandy was easier in the long run.
Also the Roman Empire, whilst not as large as the British Empire, endured for over 1000 years. Again not bad going for a people who give up easily and run away.
As regards to the Argentinians, please try telling 2 Para how 'easy' it was to defeat their troops at the battle of Goose Green and Darwin, a battle that went on for 24hrs, or the Scots Guards how they should have just walked up Mount Tumbledown as the Argentinians couldn't fight and would just run away.
232 Billy
Apr 07th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're just guessing now Billy Boy and getting a bit over excited.
You'll shoot your load in no time tonight and disappoint Missus Billy.
Multiple online identities? Who else am I supposed to be then? I'm a one tag person. Don't you believe me?
Tell me this who was your Captain on the Atlantic Causeway? Its on wiki so I expect a quick if not immediate response.
@LEPRecon
Apr 07th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give up.
Applying his logic, the Australians, Kiwis, British, Indian army, French etc. were all cowards because they got their arses well and truly whooped by a significantly smaller force of Turks in the Gallipoli campaign who actually took a far greater number of casualties than the allies.
Yet, strangely, most historians seem to agree that it was the crass incompetence of the likes of Churchill, the Admiralty and the high command that was to blame for that defeat, whilst the actual soldiers were brave beyond compare in the most trying of circumstances.
You'd certainly have a hard job making out that the 140,000+ casualties, who were killed and wounded with their backs to the sea, were running away.
And....................
Apr 07th, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@237 Be serious
Apr 07th, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I'm not guessing. I know for a fact that you have multiple online personalities. Your sentence structure is a dead give away, but being as feeble-minded as you are I guess you hadn't thought of that one.
As for silly questions, even if I do answer and tell you it was Mike Twomey, you are only going to claim that the answer was on Crappypedia and proves nothing. So come on, provide the proof - it isn't up to me to prove anything when it is you making the wholly unfounded accusation out of a need for revenge for being made to look like the prize jerk that you are.
234 Leprecon
Apr 07th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, I will go on believing and might I also say disbelieving as I see fit. Your examples are a bit daft because 2 para were massively outnumbered at Goose Green. The Argentines were well dug in and should have defeated the invading force. Anyway I did take your earlier point about morale. and oh yeah, the Romans were great.
236 Billy
No, I wouldn't have said that about the Gallipolli campaign. Not sure why you said that cos it doesn't add up.
238 Billy
Go on then tell me which other online personalities you think I have.
20 minutes to look up your old Captains name.
Do you want to have another go?
@239 Be serious
Apr 07th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is simply following your twisted logic
@239 Be serious
Provide the proof for your allegations before asking me to support mine.
@239 Be serious
20 minutes? Get real. It was more like 2 minutes. You don't seriously think I was sat waiting for you to post a question do you?
Another question? No, I'm not playing your game and I think we have already established that you are just desperately shooting in the dark and that a mixture of jealousy and anger fuels your need to make an accusation that you have no grounds for making.
You really are an incredible sad specimen, so I shall leave you to your trolling.
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Apr 07th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Keep the Falklands British -
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2. Falklands Forever British
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3. We Will Never Surrender the Falklands
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Join the growing cause to protect the Falklands from Argentine aggression!
@239 - really? Then if this surrending to a smaller fighting force is a genetic trait for Italians and Argentinians, how do you explain the worst defeat in British military history? The Fall of Singapore? A Japanese force of 23,000 men defeated a British Force of 100,000 men.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not brilliant at maths but even I know that the Japanese were outnumbered by more than 4-1. So this genetic trait must be part of the British genetic make up too. So please take inane racist ramblings to where they'll be appreciated, the BNP website.
240 Billy
Apr 07th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shame you're not willing to play.
I would have been honest with you if you had managed to identify any of my so called “multiple personalities”. But if you won't play I can't make you.
In the name of science I will register another name and put your “sentence structure” theory to the test, so I guess you will play only you won't know it, not straight away anyway.
Not surprised you don't want to play Atlantic Causeway again. Flunking the first easy peasy one was a bit embarrassing.
Nice line in insults, I've made a note of them all please feel free to add more in the interim.
242 LEPRecon
Sorry mate don't know much about the Singapore business other than it was a huge disaster for Britain. All I seem to remember is that the big guns guarding the supposed fortress of Singapore were pointing out to sea from where an attack was expected. I'll do some research, watch a few films and get back to you. Interesting stuff all this don't you think?
@243 -Be Serious - you are a pillock. Try reading some BOOKS. You know those things they keep in libraries, they're not hard to find, just about every town and city in the UK have them.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But getting back to my post you didn't say whether, given the EVIDENCE, you agree that the British also have this perculiar genetic trait that apparently affects the Argentinians and Italians? You also didn't comment on the invasion of Italy in 1944, which showed the Italians fighting aggressively and over a significantly prolonged period against the allies - Italy = Tough Old Boot. Or maybe you think that the British and American troops weren't trying hard enough.
Just where do you get your tactical knowledge from? Wikipaedia? Or are you just an ignorant loud mouth prat who talks big about sh1te he knows NOTHING about?
The Fall of Singapore, happened because we believed we were better then them (people thought the japanese couldn't see well anough to fly!). Seems a great british tradition to under estimate the enemys we make. i think make un-pc jokes is ok (the italians have surrender alot in resent military history (19th-20thcentury) and let not talk about the french :p). You can't hate a people, just hate the system that made them. Step back and take a look at the Geo-political situation at the time in the world.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 What's wrong with homosexuals? Are you having a laugh? Please identify ONE other species on this planet that engages in same-sex sexual congress. It's unnatural!
Apr 07th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 Trust us! One wrong move from argieland in respect of Chile will see Britain and Chile combine.
@38 Wan*er!
@54 A lot older than you are now, dickhead. People I knew had to go there and some of them DIED! They were KILLED! YOU have NO HONOUR. YOU have NO RESPECT. From your comments, I tell YOU that you are a TOTAL DISGRACE to Britain. Just as SCABBY is a total disgrace to whatever place allowed him to grow up. Some of his comments suggest he may be Norwegian. What a shame British servicemen died trying to protect Norway and more subsequently died liberating it. Bet you two would happily get together to agree that the nazis and the cowardly german people were just “misunderstood”.
@56 As mentioned previously, homosexuality is unnatural. It is deviant. In a properly natural human environment, homosexuals would be expunged.
@64 Were YOU around in 1982? Doubtful. Me? I was serving my government and country. Involving honesty, integrity and exposure to harm on a daily basis. Often having to act on my own without backup. Regrettably, my poor eyesight, partially hereditary as a number of opticians have informed me, ruled out my first wish for frontline aircrew. A subsequent back injury, in which the 12th thoracic vertebrae collapsed together with associated nerve damage, ruled out active service on the ground. Any more questions, smartass?
@67 F*** off, you sanctimoneous turd.
@72 Come meet me and my REAL kukri!
@75 “Stroppy teenager”? I'd already been WORKING for years. Sorry about the word “WORKING”. It's probably not a word you'd recognise.
@ 92 Atlantic Causeway, eh? Arrived in the Falklands on 27 May 1982. 19 days before the argie surrender. As opposed to the 55 days that most British service personnel had already lived, and died, through. Non-British national? Cook or laundryman?
246 oh! awesome a BNP troll..........
Apr 07th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I also have a Kukri, nice 19th century one (it's like 2ft long). But i don't want to kill my muslim neighours with it. As for your comments on gay people, well it must kill you to live in this country lol. (oh and you sound like Oswald Mosley).
@246 - Oh Conquerer, I suppose people don't die or get wounded in the last 19 days of war, assuming we know when those last 19 days will be. Also we didn't know if the Argentinians would counter-attack either. 20-20 hind sight makes you very brave, doesn't it conquerer?
Apr 07th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have a mate who was badly wounded in Afghanistan, and he'd only been out there a week before being flown back to the UK, so by your standards he must have been a wuss or a shirker? I mean, only staying in a war zone for a week, he must've been a wuss, mustn't he?
You never did answer my question about ever serving, which means you never have. Merchant Naval personnel, who were from a myriad of countries, fought along side OUR forces. Some of them where wounded and killed. What right does a racist scumbag like YOU who had NEVER been in a war zone in your entire life have to pass judgement on those who stood and served?
Oh but I forgot you had sit and watch OUR boys getting wounded and killed, 'cos like you have the best vision on the planet to be able to see 8,000 miles from the comfort of your own living room. No British casualty figures or deaths were reported until AFTER the conflict had ENDED, so you must have been psychic too, to know just how many of OUR brave boys had died.
Feck off to the BNP website where I'm sure you'll get a receptive welcome to all your inane drivel. I'm going to call you Oxygen Thief from now on, 'cos your continued existence is a waste of this valuable resource.
@246 Conqueror - as a resident of the Falklands for the past 25 years, and married to a Falkland Islander who's family go back to the 1800's, I find you a total embarrassment. We do not need your kind of “help”. Please give up your endless drivel.
Apr 07th, 2012 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And by the way - you would be hard pressed to name any animal that doesn't display “same-sex sexual congress” - from our nearest relatives, the great apes, through all kinds of farm animals, wild animals, birds etc etc In fact it would be extremely UN-natural if no human beings at all displayed that behaviour
31 Skåre
Apr 07th, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look what you have done!
During years Conqueror (under various other nicks) has been insulting and threatening at will, in here, at MercoPress.
Mostly encouraged by other Brits that, occasionally, would say that he was maybe a “bit over the top” but that they could perfectly understand his utterings because of the Argentinean bellicosity.....
And along comes you………..... A well hung Norwegian naval officer in his best age, and start a chain reaction, ruining Conquerors show in a matter of hours....
I can almost visualize this retired English postal worker (Juppp; that’s what he is) bitterly grumbling over you…
I was right about you lad…. Well done ….
We Scandinavians are cool
Heja Norge,
Hey, back to the point........“We were prepared for war with Chile”
Apr 08th, 2012 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@36 Pirate hunter..........
I have a confession to make.... Due to the treasonous behavior from the Argentine Junta in 1978 towards us, I must proceed with full disclosure and admit an almost degenerate sexually perverse sensation every time I hear bad news about their government.
Having said that, the truth is that “operation soberania” was the best thing that could have happened to us. It woke us up to the fact that we live in a dangerous neighborhood, it focused all politicians and the military on the important goal of modernizing the defence force so it could, if needed fight all three at the same time(Arg, Peru, Bol.) and win. Today we have reached this goal and even though war is never going to happen we are nonetheless prepared.
Chile's military spending is USD$6.2 billion, much more than the USD$5.3 billion that the triple alliance spends combined.
As a result the equipment and training are NATO standard, the forces in Chile are admired by the population and even though we still have “conscription” No conscripts have been incorporated for the last six years in a row, as volunteers have far outstripped the positions available.
Argentina with only 9 operational skyhawks remaining is a shadow of its former self and the comments that people like pirate hunter make are ridiculous, just like the Argentine government request that we train some of their navy cadets.
Finally I would like to share what General Mario “the coward” Menendez said.
In Dec. 1978 “At midday I'll cross the Andes, and at 4pm I'll be drinking a whiskey at Viña del Mar”
In April 2012 “The Chileans did not behave as brothers, they behaved as swine.”
You see, this is why we will never trust them, and will always be prepared to defend ourselves..
@Conqueror
Apr 08th, 2012 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are disgrace and I pity you. I pity you for being so lonely, bitter, twisted and wrought asunder by anger and wholly irrational hatred and prejudices that you can't even see that you and your kind can't even see that you do untold damage to Britain and, more importantly, the cause of the Islanders and their right to self-determination.
It is much the same with your 'buddies': Frank and Be Serious: noisy racists who do infinitely more harm than good and only serve to convince people that the ridiculous colonialist stereotypes painted by the repellent Kirchner woman, and her propaganda machine, must be true and that Britain and British values must be as anachronistic as she says. Anyone who doesn't conform to your extreme, minority, set of isms and prejudices is set upon and has their reputation savaged .. until that is someone doesn't back down, and then, like all bullies, you get flustered.
In final closing, Conqueror, look back at your own rant and reflect on the fact that your words put you in a league with countries like Iran, where people are put to death not for harming others, but for being different. That must really fill you with pride.
75 LEPRecon (#)
Apr 08th, 2012 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ I was a stroppy teenager at the time, still at school. I remember when the news of the invasion broke, my dad had me out in the back digging an air raid shelter. He thought the Falklands were off the coast of Scotland!”
Hahahaha, Brit, you make me laugh.
Poor old Conqueror, MercoStanley allowed his hate comments for a long time because he is an old blind guy with a rupture disc, but now his countrymen are kicking his butt with no mercy :-))))
@Conqueror
Apr 08th, 2012 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know, doctors and psychologists around the world routinely recognise and treat a condition called ego-dystonic sexual orientation (or just plain old 'internalised homophobia').
People suffering from this condition can most commonly be identified by the extreme nature of their hateful homophobic rhetoric – language and feelings that is far more extreme than is natural for any heterosexual who is confident in their own sexual orientation. In short, these people have extremely strong same-sex desires, but the idea of being 'gay' conflicts so strongly with their own self-image, or with the beliefs they were indoctrinated with as a child, that they dread any contact with other homosexuals, repress their feelings and speak out in the most hateful rhetoric possible.
It is a terribly cruel condition; but the good news is that there are people out there who can help sufferers understand and come to terms with their feelings.
Ouch......
Apr 08th, 2012 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0looks like conqueror got taught a good lesson in this thread. I am hopeful he will read a learn by posters such as Skare and a falklander, mollymauk.
Unfortunately, for many of us readers and participants, conquerors contributions to debate of late have been nothing short of racist and bigoted diatribes. And if anyone doubts the accusations I've just made, just read his contributions to this thread...
What I find surprising is that MercoPress will censure anyone's contribution if made in Spanish (understandable though debatable) but racist and bigoted diatribes such as conquerors are never censured (not only a debatable behaviour but also irresponsible and incomprehensible).
244 LEPRecon (#)
Apr 08th, 2012 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apr 07th, 2012 - 07:14 pm
@243 -Be Serious - you are a pillock. Try reading some BOOKS. You know those things they keep in libraries, they're not hard to find, just about every town and city in the UK have them.
You don't get irony do you.
But getting back to my post you didn't say whether, given the EVIDENCE, you agree that the British also have this perculiar genetic trait that apparently affects the Argentinians and Italians? You also didn't comment on the invasion of Italy in 1944, which showed the Italians fighting aggressively and over a significantly prolonged period against the allies - Italy = Tough Old Boot. Or maybe you think that the British and American troops weren't trying hard enough.
What evidence would that be then?
Anyway took your advice and went down the library and found this :-
Allied situation in Italy - Liddell Hart
”Both invading armies, the fifth (US) and the eighth (British) had lost heavily and become exhausted by their frontal attacks up the leg of the Italian peninsula...progress had become all too like the battering ram process of the western front in the first world war. The great disadvantage at which the Germans had been placed in Sept by their Italian ally's simultaneous capitulation and change of sides coupled with the triple Anglo-American landings at Reggio, Taranto and Salerno had been retrieved and the Germans were able to prolong the defence of the peninsula”.
Not saying Mr Hart was right but he was there, unlike you and me. Have you any sources you would like to quote back?
Just where do you get your tactical knowledge from? Wikipaedia? Or are you just an ignorant loud mouth prat who talks big about sh1te he knows NOTHING about?
Tactical knowledge? Where did that come from. Seems you're the one doing all the shouting. Again nice line in abuse and insults, you and Billy have a lot in common.
Dear Argentinians,
Apr 08th, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is all very well revelling in Conqueror being taught a lesson, but the lesson is somewhat negated if you don't reciprocate by policing your own extremists .. and trust me, there are plenty of them. Forget the 'he said she said' shit about who said what first; because the truth of it is that the first spark of misunderstanding was so long ago that none of us truly knows what is truth and what is taken on blind faith .. and one way or another, we are ALL descendants of both immigrants and conquerors whose ancestors are responsible for many a deed that is shameful by today's standards.
Enough of the jingoistic crap and the sweeping generalisations. If we engage in that, then, in our own petty little ways (and I admit that I am no saint) we are all as bad as anyone else and are simply playing into the hands of those brainless rednecks who speak in sweeping generalisations, only understand violence and can't get their heads around the fact that it is perfectly possible for people who disagree to live together harmoniously as friends and neighbours.
Parley and entente cordiale always has, and always will, achieve far greater things than guns, racism, bigotry and all this talk of hate, war and old scores to be settled.
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@256 Be serious
Thanks for continuing to undermine your own credibility so efficiently.
(251) The Chilean perspective
Apr 08th, 2012 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hermano shileno….
You say:
”I have a confession to make.... Due to the treasonous behavior from the Argentine Junta in 1978 towards us, I must proceed with full disclosure and admit an almost degenerate sexually perverse sensation every time I hear bad news about their government.”
I say:
That was in 1978…
That’s 34 years ago, weon….
Isn’t it time you try that interesting ”Sensation” of yours with a woman? ;-)
Respetuosamente
El Think, Chubut, Argentina.
(257) Skåre
What about at feje for egen dør først, ned på knæ and apologize for calling other people terrible, terrible things as for example : Pippi Långstrump ????????????
@258 Think
Apr 08th, 2012 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0But I like picturing you as Pippi Longstocking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x-bUTWTTcs
Cute, eh? :)
( 257 )
Apr 08th, 2012 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say :
Enough the jingoistic crap and sweeping generalisations...
I say :
I remember your style was from Texas settler “” Artillero “”....
and now ..you are Scandinavian settler....tomorrow you'll be( I bet)
settler from a South America country(could be Bolivia ?)....next day you 'll be (I bet)from an Asia country(could be Vietnam?)...other day from an Africa country(I bet)(could be Tanzania?).......................
laughter ....laughter
... says the Serbian troll with more sockpuppets than you can shake a stick at ;)
Apr 08th, 2012 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Funny though somebody mentioning Mr.Artillero601…..
Apr 08th, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0A complex character......
A youngish Argie Artillery officer, blood related to the above Menendez (they share surname) that enlisted into God's Own Country Army.
A healer in the North, a Killer in the south……
Meaning that he is a Democrat in Tejas and a Bloody Gorilla in Argentina.
Wonder if he is reading this………
(260)
Apr 08th, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're joking - Mendejo couldn't spell, punctuate and use words of more than 3 syllables like that in English even if he were paid much more than he gets for all the Mexican narco dollars he's laundering in Texas...
(262)
Happy New Year, Easter - belatedly!
@256 Be Liar!
Apr 08th, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0You went to the library did you? Good for you. I'm surprised you actually found a library that was open at 8 o'clock at night. I posted my suggestion for you to go to the library at 7.14pm UTC, which is one hour behind British Summer Time. Your post previous to this was 7.03pm UTC or in UK time 8.03pm.
Had to break in to the library did you? Or have you been on Wiki again, and are trying to make it look like you had actually done some research.
It's bad to lie at any time, but it's Easter Sunday today, shame on you!
Felices Pascuas to you to, weon*
Apr 08th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0* Intended in its most convival, cordial and colloquial possible meaning.
@264 LEPRecon
Apr 08th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not only that, but considering how Sir Basil Liddell Hart has been dead for over 40 years - having died in the same year that the quoted book, 'History of the Second World War', was published - it is quite remarkable how he seems to have returned from the grave to change the wording on page 547 ;)
(263 )
Apr 08th, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say :
You're joking
I say :
no joke ...remind of i had asked him a few question about Texas...came zero reply.. would you want me to ask any questions about Scandinavia,England,Argentina,Russia,Germany,France,Italy,Spain,
US,Canada ,China,Brazil ,Bolivia,Chile,Venezuela,Uruguay,Peru ,Tanzania, South Africa ,Nigeria,Kenya,Congo ,Vietnam ,Australia,Papua New Guinea,Indonesia,Thailand,Korea,Japan,,..or whereever else,wherever else ......but can not be found in internet,youtube,wikipedia......
Laughter.......Laughter.......RRTBH
@267 DipsomaniacThinkSerbianTrollSockpuppetFreak
Apr 08th, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you seriously claim to have learned English .. let alone learned English in the USA? If so, how come your English is unintelligible gibberish?
For the record, you have never asked me any questions about Texas (and I probably wouldn't be able to answer if you did)
( 268 )
Apr 08th, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say :
Do you seriously....odds and ends..
I say :
Which country do you live in Scandinavia (or else)& which city ?
@269 TipsyThink
Apr 08th, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, if you are so familiar with my posts, you will already have seen both which country and city .. and seen me converse with Think in the language of that country.
( 270 )
Apr 08th, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am forgetful & careless man...
Would you remind me which country & which city ?
Don't you think that is asking a bit much when you yourself steadfastly refuse to tell people where you are from (other than tell them that you aren't from Argentina, which I'm not from either)?
Apr 08th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( 272 )
Apr 08th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You live in an unknown country ...or... You forgot the name of your country ?
@273 TipsyThink
Apr 08th, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, you forgot, remeber? ;)
I am from Bodø – just north of the Arctic circle in Norway's Nordland fylke .. which is where the original Maelstrom is
( 274 )
Apr 08th, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well, are there a pizza shop in the town where you live ?
264 Leprecon
Apr 08th, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apr 08th, 2012 - 11:37 am
@256 Be Liar!
You went to the library did you? Good for you. I'm surprised you actually found a library that was open at 8 o'clock at night. I posted my suggestion for you to go to the library at 7.14pm UTC, which is one hour behind British Summer Time. Your post previous to this was 7.03pm UTC or in UK time 8.03pm.
Had to break in to the library did you? Or have you been on Wiki again, and are trying to make it look like you had actually done some research.
It's bad to lie at any time, but it's Easter Sunday today, shame on you!
No lies old chap.
I happen to have an extensive library in my Basement.
Sounds like you had an enormous erection and just couldn't contain yourself. Hope you cleaned up afterwards.
Why do you always think the worst of me. Not very Christian.
Of course still nothing to justify your own position, just more sad, pathetic abuse. Or is it frustration because they haven''t made the film yet?
257 Skåre
Thanks for continuing to undermine your own credibility so efficiently.
Not sure what you mean. Quite happy to debate in a sensible fashion but for some reason you and your buddy tend to get over excited and lose the plot.
Not only that, but considering how Sir Basil Liddell Hart has been dead for over 40 years - having died in the same year that the quoted book, 'History of the Second World War', was published - it is quite remarkable how he seems to have returned from the grave to change the wording on page 547 ;)
Nothing material changed just shortened, I mean lets face it leprcon has the attention span of a fruit fly, if its not in a film or a TV series he has trouble keeping up.
Anyway to cut a long story short the Italians capitulated very quickly and allowed the Germans to do all the hard fighting. That was the point but to be honest I don't think you boys are on here to debate just to abuse, insult and cosy up to your new friends.
Just a thought.
@275 TipsyThink
Apr 08th, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course .. it is barely 400km from Russia and was the huge Cold War NATO airbase where the U2 spy planes used to fly from (and where Gary Powers was heading when he was famously shot down by the Russians). Can you seriously imagine an Americans surviving without their pizza?
@276 Be serious
Really? Oh well, the editors must have had a real field day changing the wording then.
( 277 )
Apr 08th, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your town has a pizza shop ?.....I guess it has a strange name !..
@278 TipsyThink
Apr 08th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are many pizza shops, so it depends what you call strange. Personally I think Dolly Dimple's is the one with the strangest name, but that's all very subjective.
( 279 )
Apr 08th, 2012 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure your ice town has many pizza shops ?
Even Oslo has two small pizza shops.!
@280 TipsyThink
Apr 08th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to disappoint you, but yes, six or seven I guess.
( 281 )
Apr 08th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sorry !..your information is not rue ...
@282 TipsyThink
Apr 08th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? Are you trying to tell me how many pizza shops are in my home town?
Hey Leprecon you must have seen this racist shit.
Apr 08th, 2012 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://youtu.be/hHAs7nO95Ks
How dare the BBC screen this disgusting racist propaganda.
@282 TipsyThink
Apr 08th, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell you what, why don't you just type 'bodø pizza' into google and see what it comes up with and just how wrong you are. I just did and it shows nine pizza parlours (Orion Pizza, Dolly Dimple's, Pizzabakeren, Mama Rosa, Fellini Pizza, Pizza Orientekspressen, Levent's Pizzeria, Pizzafabrikken and Peppes Pizza) .. not counting the military air base and civilian airport terminal.
Anyway, I'm bored with you now. Adieu.
( 283 )
Apr 08th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bodo Town has only one Pizza restaurant its name is “” Pepes Pizza Bodo“”
which is located around “” Sandgata “” street...
Well, there are two in Sjøgata alone, so I guess your google skills aren't up to much:
Apr 08th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://maps.google.no/maps?q=pizza+bod%C3%B8&hl=no&ie=UTF8&sll=59.9373,10.741539&sspn=0.088573,0.338173&gl=no&hq=pizza&hnear=Bod%C3%B8,+Nordland&t=m&z=12
As for Oslo, I gave up counting the pizza shops once I got past 40, so I guess you were wrong on that score too:
http://maps.google.no/maps?q=pizza+bod%C3%B8&hl=no&ie=UTF8&sll=59.9373,10.741539&sspn=0.088573,0.338173&gl=no&hq=pizza&hnear=Bod%C3%B8,+Nordland&t=m&z=12
(285) Skåre
Apr 08th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 010………….You forgot Pizzabakeren Mørkved
http://maps.google.com.ar/maps?hl=da&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1024&bih=512&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=bod%C3%B8+pizzeria&fb=1&gl=ar&hq=pizzeria&hnear=0x45df10f55b63f17d:0x8e785b93b25d3c53,Bod%C3%B8,+Norge&ei=hLGBT4_HJIuPswbQzNysBA&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=image&ved=0CA8QtgM
@288 Think
Apr 08th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, so I did. Thanks :)
( 287 )
Apr 08th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pepe ! ...come here ..don't be cold there !
obviously your brain is frozen there ....
Laughter .....Laughter ..... PPRMTW
Do you know i have a friend looks at Google map everynight to find the route of his home............
Laughter......Laughter.....PPRTMB
reckon you guys can reach 300.
Apr 08th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0291 maybe :) where's the new bloody news storys?
Apr 08th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lost.
Apr 08th, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,,,
today in the sun page 37
british firm producing british corned beef.
interesting.
@ 258 Think
Apr 08th, 2012 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Primo Arjentino:
I have tried it in the bedroom, but I have to get a ipad so I can read a copy of Mercopress while I do it. The desktop computer gets in the way.
The wife on the other hand likes it 'cause she can go on ebay afterwards.
As for your point that it has been 34 years, it never gets old. Just read the posts on the Argentine papers...wow there's a lot of hate.
No hate from me cousin, just mistrust. Which can be overcome. I hope in the future (with your weakened military ability) you guys finally start thinking of us as equals and perhaps apologise for the 1978 aggression.
(294) The Chilean perspective
Apr 09th, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Always something the missus ebays AFTER, and not DURING the act ;-)))
Anyhow, let me just cut and paste one of my old postings about the 1978 agression....
200 Think Jul 23rd, 2010
(193) Sergio Vega
I can infer from your text that you are a fierce nationalist and very possible a Pinochetist.
That’s your right but it does not leave too much space to dialog with a Argentinian Socialist like me. Does it?
I have to admit that when somebody mentions the “11 of September”, I don’t picture the “Twin Towers”, I think about the “Moneda “burning, my friend.
And just to give you a little personal anecdote about why I don’t believe all this “military” bulls**t about Chileans and Argentineans being mortal enemies:
“El destino quizo que en noviembre del 78 visitase a un gran amigo (Nicasio Urquizo, q.e.p.d.) administrador de la estancia “Remolino” sobre el canal de Beagle.
Allí fui testigo presencial de una reunion entre los almirantes Massera y Toribio Merino que, con un montón de Güisky encima, se cagaban de risa de nosotros, los civiles huevones que nos tragabamos la historia de la Guerra.
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/argentina-blockading-the-falklands-with-no-respect-for-islanders-human-rights
Enijau che...
If it helps; I humbly apologize for all the nasty things our Armed Farces bastards had planned to do to you. (You know, killing you all and stuff)
Well, I accept your apology. Like the gringos say “blood is thicker than water”. I believe we have more in common than that that separates us.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am currently watching a show on TV, it's called q'viva the chosen It has reinforced my belief that us Latinos are an emerging people, who may in the not too distant future even become a force to be reckoned with. I hope I am right.
Saludos.
Thanks for all your transandinean kindness.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just a word of advice…............weon.
When taking MercoPress to bed………., be advised that she fakes ;-)
I had to to google ”Q’viva”.
Hope “La Tigresa” makes it to Las Vegas……
She’s sheer genius!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5UcgTuvCmU
Nos vidrios
La Tigresa = bushpigs grow up to be swamp donkeys...
Apr 09th, 2012 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0(298) Dr. Carrizal
Apr 09th, 2012 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0What's wrong with ”La Tigresa ???
Now, you will surely tell me that you don't like Wendy either!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyOG7y5K1LE&feature=relmfu
Long live the Cumbia Andina.........
@think
Apr 09th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0WTF!!!!!!! You're killing me.
First the old fossil, then the little girl that wants to drink beer. I think she shattered some of my glassware with her voice.
This is the artist I like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUIYka5Tj98
go to minute 1:53 to skip to the song.
(300)
Apr 09th, 2012 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's cheat!
Any woman melts down with that song from Victor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRmre8ggkcY
What about Delfin hasta el Fin?
You surely like him !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRmre8ggkcY
What about
You guys are far too bent for me...
Apr 09th, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0(302) Dr. Carrizal
Apr 09th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not bent at all....
This is South-America....
I don't feel like going to want to chat with your imaginary Chilean name today.........
Apr 09th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have a name from Mexico to chat somethings..?
Laughter........Laughter........YPTRG
Sorry, weon - I don't do Mexican. It's a s***hole, like Paraguay. Mexico's biggest problem is that it's become the garbage dump for its northern neighbour, and especially Tejas (for the benefit of what's-his-face...)
Apr 09th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@276 Be Liar - you have a few books in your basement do you, well I hope you don't live on a flood plain.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe you are still a liar or at least proud of your deception, so not doubt it was you with the erection.
Your reference to Liddell Hart was wrong too, he was never in Italy in the war, so couldn't have been there to see things 1st hand, and his book was written from interviews with people AFTER the war.
Why Mr Hart wasn't there? Firstly he would have been too old, and secondly he was invalidid out of the Army due to Ill health after being gassed in world war 1.
But enough of your diversions. You made a spurious claim that Italians and Argentinians militarily are genetically pre-disposed to surrendering to a smaller military force. All you have to back up your claims are stereotypes and your own personal beliefs.
I have, however, shown that there have been numerous occasions when military forces from countries (other than the 2 you say are genetically pre-disposed to surrendering) have surrendered to smaller forces.
So, you have been trying to constantly divert the attention away from the fact that your original comments where erroneous at best or blatantly racist at worst. Then you resorted to name calling to cover up the fact that you have no hard evidence, just your own beliefs.
Next time try reading books from a public library. You see when you have your 'own' library, you only buy books that you like, and therefore would be biased towards your way of thinking. The best way to understand any situation is to read books from various sources which will allow you to come to a better understanding of the events leading up to, during and after the incident. It's a little thing called research and it can be a useful tool.
Oh and I am here to debate, just because all you can do is fling accusations without evidence to back it up, is your problem. There's no need to throw your toys out of the pram because people don't agree with you.
306 Lepracunt
Apr 09th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Library came with the London property when I acquired it. It is far superior to most Public Libraries you might find these days.
Now, who am I inclined to take notice of :-
A renowned Military Expert who fought during WW1 and even predicted the German Ardennes counter attack during WW2.
OR
Some thick, humourless, NHS “carer”.
Hmmm let me think!
@307 - Resorting to insults again. Tut, tut.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never said that the Italian and Argentine troops had never surrendered to a smaller military force. I am disputing your claim that it is genetically pre-disposed for them to do so. I'm still waiting for you to provide EVIDENCE on your statement that Italian and Argentine troops are genetically pre-disposed to surrender to a smaller military force.
I have given numerous examples of non-Italian or Argentine forces (including British) that have surrendered to a smaller force which makes your claims spurious at best.
I have forwarded a supposition that it was a lack of morale among the troops that caused these troops to surrender to a smaller force. Morale is a factor that has been recognised for hundreds of years. This is why propaganda is so important in any conflict or war.
You undermine the morale of the enemy making him think his situation is untenable, whilst at the same time trying to bolster the morale of your own troops. The undermining of morale will then, hopefully, lead to a breakdown in the chain of command, desertion by troops and eventually to their surrender as a fighting force.
This is an important tool of war, as the quicker you can get your enemy to surrender the fewer casualties will be sustained by both sides.
Oh and that's ex-military 'NHS' carer, whose seen their fair share of battlefields and battle casualties.
P.S. I have a wicked sense of humour, you have to, to work in the NHS! As for whether I'm thick or not, at least I don't make generalised assumptions on people based on the race, nationality, religion or colour.
(307) & (308)
Apr 09th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is no secret that I consider the both of you to be Turnips in respect to the “Malvinas Issue”.
But..............., if I ever met you, lads, I would only invite one of you to a pint or two at the pub....
And that would surely be Mr.LEPRecon....
Mr. Be serious seems to be a turnip in all other aspects of life too........
@20
Apr 09th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pilots who fought in the Battle of Britain:
British 2353, Poland 145, New Zealand 135, Canada 112, Czechoslovakia 88, Australia 32, Belgium 28, South Africa 25, France 13, Ireland 10, United States 7, Ceylon 1, Jamaica 1, Southern Rhodesia 1
800 argentine pilots ? the correct number is zero argentines other than the usual deluded argentine fantasies.
(310) Eddieposted
Apr 09th, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My fellow Scandinavian, Mr. Skåre,the well hung Norwegian merchant navy officer would never lie..................
Educate yourself ............................... turnip!
http://www.firmesvolamos.com.ar/publicaciones/alas1.php
Quite a few Anglo Argentines fought for the British.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Far more German Argentines - from a far larger population pool (3 million) fought for the Nazi. Far more joined the Nazi party. This is a fact - the country with the largest membership of the GERMAN Nazi Party outside of Germany was Argentina where there was an estimated 500,000 card carrying Nazis!
@309 - Think, although I also believe your stance on the Falkland Islands is 'out there', I would happily share a few drinks with you, in the spirit of international co-operation and peace. ;)
Apr 09th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some few more links About the Argie WWII Raf pilots for the Turnip at (311)
Apr 09th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www2.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=143472
http://www2.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=143472
http://www2.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=143472
To the Turnip at (312) …
Any link or proof for your dribble or do we just have to take your word for it?
(313) Would be a pleasure............
313 The Carer
Apr 09th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you for real?
312 Anti facist
I was interested to learn that very few of the Anglo Argentines who fought for the British during the War returned to Argentina after the War. The Peron Government at the time was pro Nazi Germany and made life difficult for those that did return.
311 Thunk
My fellow Scandinavian, Mr. Skåre,the well hung Norwegian merchant navy officer would never lie........
Exactly right you are both pricks!
Took Billy Liar (Skunk) 20 minutes to “remember” his good old Captain's name. What a disgusting fraud - How low can you get?
309 More Thunk
I'm entirely happy about that. I don't drink with supercilious Argentinian tossers, especially those who are so determined to deny the Falkland islanders their natural and legal right of self determination.
Anyway glad we are chatting again.
308 The Carer
You have forwarded “nothing” apart from seeming to remember (wrongly) that at the end of the Battle Britain Film Argentinians pilots were mentioned. Unfortunately you were too f---king lazy to check your own shite and got all upset when you were shown to be the fool that you are. I can't believe you were in the forces, the British army doesn't take imbeciles like you.
@315 - back to the insults, and still no answers.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I freely admit I was wrong about the listing at the end of the Battle of Britiain film, but I was doing it from memory, not having seen the film for a few years.
However, nothing else I have said was incorrect. You, however, are unable to offer anything but constant insults to those who disagree with your narrow-minded racial slurs. You cannot even admit to the possibility that you could be wrong, never mind even admit it.
Believe what you like regarding whether I was a soldier I know the truth and that's all that matters. After all it's because of men and women like me throughout our history - who decided to honour their country by serving - that you have the freedom of speech and thought. But it doesn't mean that I, or anyone who disagrees with you are imbeciles or are wrong.
Now grow up and act like an adult instead of a petulant child.
About 600 Argentines, many of them Anglo Argentines, but also of other ascendance, joined the RAF and the RCAF during WWII, 122 were killed in action.
Apr 10th, 2012 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most returned to Argentina after the War and flew for Aerolineas Argentinas.
There is are a couple of very good books on the subject: “Alas de Trueno” (Wings of Thunder) and “Nacidos con Honor” (Born with Honour) written by Claudio Meunier.
See http://www.firmesvolamos.com.ar/
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Apr 10th, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0He said there were 800 argentine pilots in the RAF - there weren't.
600 anglo argentines joined the RAF and RCAF after the Battle of Britain had been won - and they weren't all pilots.
And as stated they were far outweighed by the argentine supporting the nazis - until argentina laughably declared war against the nazis on 28th March 1945 - after the war had been virtually won.
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Apr 10th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse -1You haven't actually asked any relevant questions but glad to see you have finally admitted your error.
“It's because of men and women ”like me“ throughout our history - who decided to honour their country by serving - that you have the freedom of speech and thought”.
Old soldiers are usually more considered and modest.
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Absolutely right, the discussion was in respect of the Battle of Britain itself.
@319 - I asked in post 244 whether you agreed or not that given that the British had surrender to a smaller Japanese force in Singapore, if that meant that the British also had this perculiar genetic trait that you accuse both the Italians and Argentines of having.
Apr 10th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have constantly ignored the fact that you made a bigoted, stereotyped comment about them, and have yet to deliver any evidence that this is genetic.
You have constantly prevaricated, twisted and avoided answering this issue about evidence, because there is none.
You brought up a book by Liddell Hart, an expert at warfare, admittedly, but not an expert at genetics so no real help to you there. Yet you still avoid the initial issue, YOUR comments that you cannot back up at all, and resort to name calling to try and distract people from the issue.
I can admit when I”m wrong, but you aren't adult enough to admit that the comments you made were out of line. Your constant childish diversions from the original topic are growing old now, and since you haven't got the decency to admit that you were wrong or at least to produce evidence that would back up your claim, conversing with you is pointless.
(312) Anti-Fascist and (318) Eddieposted
Apr 10th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”…… many of whom had relatives among the 4,000 Argentines who between them served with all three British armed services during the War.”
http://www2.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=143472
Did you get that?:
”…..the 4,000 Argentines who between them served with all three British armed services during the War.”
””…..4,000 Argentines who between them served.....”
”….4,000 Argentines......”
” 4,000...... ”
I dare you turnips, find 4,000 Argentineans that fought for Germany in WWII
I dare you turnips, find 400 Argentineans that fought for Germany in WWII
I dare you turnips, find 40 Argentineans that fought for Germany in WWII
I personally know about no more than 30 -35 cases
Let’s see what you have………….
Turnips
321 Think (not an accurate name )
Apr 10th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those are merely unsupported claims.
But we have shown that in contrast to the previous claim that 800 argentine pilots fought in the Battle of Britain - the correct number is ZERO.
And volunteers do not compensate for the argentine government collaborating with the nazis throughout the war and providing a safe haven for thousands of fleeing nazi criminals after the war.
Com on lads, the bloggs about Chile, bbrrrrrrr
Apr 10th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The war,
Was over 60 years ago?
Before I was even a twinkle in my mum’s eyes
.justa thought .
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Apr 11th, 2012 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You said it, Turnip.
“Merely unsupported claims”.
That's the reason why you and your pals are Turnips.
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Apr 11th, 2012 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Official UK records listed in detail the nationality of every pilot that fought in the Battle of Britain and the number of argentines was ZERO not 800 as claimed .
You link is merely an unconfimed news report and doesn't dispute the offoicial Battle if Britain records.
And as stated volunteers do not compensate for the argentine government collaborating with the nazis throughout the war and providing a safe haven for thousands of fleeing nazi criminals after the war.
You're a typical brainwashed argie ignoring the facts and posting a mixture of bullshit and pathetic insults.
@13 Skåre “I have met massively more Argentinians of Italian ancestry than I ever have of Spanish”. I suppose if I didn't know the origin of my ancestors I might decide Italian was slightly less naff than Spanish :)) There are thousands of Brazilians in Europe, who because of an Italian grandparent claim Italian (EU) citizenship. For some reason the vast majority, having attained their 'Italian' status, have no interest in Italy or their ancestors, but instead head straight for London.
Apr 11th, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0320 Leprtecon
Apr 11th, 2012 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Presumably you accept that children inherit their parents genes.
If yes then we can concentrate on the Italians. If not .....forget it.
You suggested that the Italians fought tooth and nail to defend their homeland when in fact this was shown to be nonsense because the Italian Army capitulated early doors and allowed the Germans to carry on fighting.
Did I say this was a bad thing - no. I even suggested that the Italian culture for loving the good things of life was far preferable to War.
If you are saying that you had never heard of the Italian Army's propensity to surrender before I mentioned it, then you are a liar.
You strike me as being one of these sensitive PC types determined to take offence at the least bit thing. I'm not PC, I like Irish jokes and poking fun at funny foreigners cos I'm sure they do the same back. Do I care? not at all.
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Thunk is a supercilious Argentine Prick who can't get over the fact that the Falkland Islands are British Sovereign Territory. I believe he may have had a romantic encounter with Eva Peron, only at the time, she didn't have a pulse.
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