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Argentine government in full force support Vice-president accused of embezzlement
The Argentine government came out in full force over the weekend to back Vice-President Amado Boudou after he was accused of embezzlement in what become known as the “Ciccone Case”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesA.Boudou !
Apr 09th, 2012 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0you should resolve Hugo Moyano problem who has really Armenian origin but carry fake identity....
Boudou and Berlusconi - the same mixture: “Blame the judges and the opposition - but not me. I´m the boss.”
Apr 09th, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Amado .B
Apr 09th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0maybe ...1(#) is my assumption...?
I quote: “Boudou defended himself from the allegations and denounced what he called an “attack” against the “popular” will and institutions during a press conference last week held at the Senate” He then does exactly what the Kirchnerites have been doing all along. “The courts in Argentina are news agencies for the most powerful media organizations,” he said. Now if that is not an attack on the countries institutions - what is? Best defence is always attack. Blame the media and courts when you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar. The public as usual wont care but will swallow the story and defend the Government
Apr 09th, 2012 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 I agree most people won't care but also will not believe he is innocent. The general attitude seems to be that 'all politicians are corrupt so what can they do about it'.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the justice system. It is common knowledge that you can get off any crime if you pay the right people the right price. I am guessing Boudou wouldn't pay the asking price.
As for the British justice system. It is common knowledge that you can get off any crime if you pay the right people the right price. I am guessing Rupert Murdoch wouldn't pay the asking price.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0No comment on the article?
Apr 09th, 2012 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clutch at straws, distract and stir.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 & 7 ElaineB,
Apr 09th, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0ls he part of CFK's gang of crooks or did he strike out on his own?
l guess she doesn't like competition, ha!
l see you've got an echo at #6 Elaine.
The man is innocent until proven guilty - isn't that how it works ? Bring on the evidence.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the Vice-president criticized the Argentine media conglomerate Grupo Clarin and the newspaper La Nacion for their coverage of his circumstances - true democracy at play - but then accused them of behaving like anti-government mafias.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps Boudou will get to feel like what it is to be economically blockaded, given CFK attacks Falklands in an illegal way.
And, as for complaining that judicial authorities have been releasing details of the investigation - that sounds like CFK govt attempting to take the oil and gas companies and their contractors and sub-contractor to court for legally going about their work in the Falklands, by publishing detail in the media or via Twitterman first!
Smacks of an own goal - yes another one! Keep them coming.
Despite attacks against the Falkland government ... it is able to keep busy with Falklands real issues.”
Sounds like a bit of North Korean propaganda: Boudou decries a “vaudeville judge and the raid “judicial trash” and finally Grupo Clarin and the newspaper La Nacion ”behaving like anti-government mafias.” What they don't mention is that it was actually the VP's wife that turned him in. Thank God I live on the other side of the Andes.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the BOT justice system. It is common knowledge that you can get off any crime if you pay the right people the right price. I am guessing Kenneth Duvall wouldn't pay the asking price.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Bow-wow has been caught with his hands in the cash-till then?
Apr 09th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who would have thought that from a CFK appointee? Just about everybody of the 63.8% of the population WHO DID NOT VOTE for this bunch of Peronista crooks.
Clutch at straws, distract and stir. Kenneth Duvall is a patently bad person who has reaped what he sowed.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see the big deal about this news story. Politicians will be politicians the world over.
GALlamos
I totally agree with you. Innocent until proven guilty.
@9 Good question. I think he was a bit of a golden boy (he did what he was told) to start with but became a rogue operator. He has defied CFKC on occasions and it has taken a while for the government to give their 'full support'*. I am guessing he knows where the bodies are buried.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I used to think he was CFKC's 'bit on the side' but it is another chap.
* When a government minister gets the government's 'full support' in the UK they usually resign within a short time.
As for the BOT justice system. It is common knowledge that you can get off any crime if you pay the right people the right price. I am guessing the murderers of Alan Addis did pay the asking price.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think you are repeating yourself over and over and as far as I can tell you have point other than to try to deflect attention from your corrupt leadership by slandering another legal system with zero facts.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try to keep on topic, there's a good boy.
“Argentine government in full force support Vice-president accused of embezzlement”
Apr 09th, 2012 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So there's the proof! Two forms of embezzler (thief) in the argie government (?). The ones that have been caught out, and the ones that haven't.....yet!
As for the BOT justice system. It is common knowledge that you can get off any crime if you pay the right people the right price. I am guessing that C.P.O.Paul Elliot did pay the asking price.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 017 Think the gutless wonder.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clutch at straws, distract and stir (CSDS)
TWIMC
Apr 09th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My three last posts duplicate the words and methodology of British Turnip Poster, ElaineB at Post No.:5
It has rightly been called by other Britons as “clutching at straws”, “distracting”, “stirring” and “slandering another legal system with zero facts”.
Correct!.....That is precisely what ElaineB does all the time.
Now.................... commenting on the above article .....
Mr. Bodou is currently under judicial investigation.
If he is find guilty, I will be happy to see him be punished and dissapear into political oblivion.
If he is declared innocent, I will be happy to se him continue as Vicepresident.
Is that clear enough?
copied the style , even if quite realistic were just to show how easy it is to
What a bunch of crooked jackals, It’s what we have been saying for years, Trust an Argentine I would rather have trusted Al Capone in his murdering hay day than trust anyone who comes from that sick society. Nothing changes does it in Argentina once a crooked cheating nation always a crooked cheating nation. No one would miss this out and out rotten country if it sank into the sea with all its inhabitants.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whether found innocent or guilty of this particular “mess”, I still would not like him to continue in ANY government position. It really doesn´t matter, he would probably be given another position and a big salary rise.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess, if his wife 'turned him in', then their marriage is over.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ice-rocha solo cocktail !
Apr 09th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Laughter.......Laughter.......UP*PX
@25 He should have got a haircut. : )
Apr 09th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is everyone's fault but his. Notice how the Argentine govenment immediately try to undermine anyone criticising them? It must be the party M.O. If he has nothing to hide then he will happily allow the investigation to go ahead unhindered and without attacking the establishments charged with investigating.
5 ElaineB (#) I discovered last night on Mariano Grondona's TV program - Hora Clave - that Argentina is one of the only countries that doesn't have a penalty for corruption.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Interesting; so what are they investigating Boudou for?
Apr 09th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This whole 'corruption' issue has to be seen from the perspective of Argentines. (Obviously, not all Argentines) In Buenos Aires, in particular, they imported a lot of their cultural attitudes from Southern Italy. There if anyone cheats the system, gets away without paying for something or makes some money on the side, the general attitude is 'good for you'. For some reason the social contract - if you take from society you have to give to society - just doesn't seem to exist.
So, from that perspective you can understand why most Argentines regard systemic corruption as something that is just a part of life. And why there is no shame or guilt attached to taking a bribe, cheating the system, or cheating other Argentines . There is no social pressure telling them is is unacceptable and that they are cheating society, their neighbours and fellow Argentines.
What are the two things that stop you commiting crimes. 1) Your conscience and 2) The fear of getting caught. If you don't feel guilty about stealing and you are unlikely to be prosecuted - and then if you have the money you can buy yourself out of trouble - there is no deterent.
(25) Geoff…
Apr 09th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From which source did you get the info about “ his wife 'turned him in”?
From Turnip poster No. (12), Mr. Chicureo, maybe???
How typical……………
The ”wife” in question here is the ex-wife of one of VP Bodou’s buddies and business associates who works for the man that owns a percentage of the printing company in question.
She denounced her husband in their bitter divorce case and mentioned to the judge that “something strange” was going on between her ex-husband and VP Bodou.
All of us that have been divorced a couple of times will recognize this scenario.
Please inform yourself before commenting.
You had once some academic standards ………….. Where did you misplace them?
#4 Why do you think the public will back the government, is it perhaps because they have lived under privatisers and Kirchnerism and know which is better, whatever the newsmen tell them?
Apr 09th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#12 Yes just like when the Vice-President of North Korea came under pressure from the anti-governmnet press!
#16 My opinion of you just keeps going down
#24 You don't have to like him or personally want him to be in a government position, but if he's innocent then surely that personal opinion of yours shouldn't trump the fact he was elected?!
Re the “his wife turned him in” rumour on here, see Chris Huhne of the UK Cabinet =)
Is this really a story?
Apr 09th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Politicians are corrupt. Next news item - water is discovered to be wet!
I find this whole business very peculiar. There is more here than meets the eye and those of us that live in countries with a functioning judiciary will have a hard time understanding the under currents.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you are this high up in the current gov't you don't have cases brought against you unless you fall out of favor. The courts are used to bully, embarrass, bankrupt or ruin someone of this stature. Boudou must have fallen out of favor or made someone even higher than him really mad.
“Boudou must have fallen out of favor or made someone even higher than him really mad. ” I agree.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“those of us that live in countries with a functioning judiciary will have a hard time understanding the under currents.”
Apr 09th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you had left this nugget out you might even have sounded midly dispassionate.
It would appear your functioning judiciary cannot deter criminality, how many shootings this week in the land of Perfect? 3? 5? (the one in the college, the one in the beach, another one somewhere else... like 14 people blown away, par for the course).
I wonder if we had a functioning judiciary then, we'd have no crime I'd imagine.
Forget the Clinton impeachment which surely was an impartial and non-political process. :)
http://www.worldjusticeproject.org/sites/default/files/Argentina_CP.pdf
Apr 09th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 056/66 almost at the bottom of the scale....
You look like an idiot trying to compare the USA to Argentina, compare yourself to Paraguay or Bolivia so it will make you look superior instead of much worse.
Hi Think, yes.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ire of somebody else's wife spraying it about in her divorce does not of itself condemn the VP.
The evidence may condemn him - perhaps when we see it, we, along with the judge, may then condemn him.
http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/RDavies/arian/scandals/political.html#brit
Apr 09th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Laughter......Laughter......GTEWK
Your CommentAnd just what did you all expect from Argentina, a repeat performance of course.......for your viewing pleasure:
Apr 09th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTBAjfgHLyk&feature=relmfu
www.youtube.com/watch?v=azwWSN2pukk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvQw00SV-c
www.ripoffreport.com/government-worker/argentina-tourists-m/argentina-tourists-murdered-l-33f51.htm
www.ripoffreport.com/federal-government/cristina-kirchner/cristina-kirchner-cristina-kir-dc9b0.htm
Gracias Cristina y Nestor.......oh and thanks too Boudou!!
36 yankeeboy
Apr 09th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have read this report but can only say you are wasting your time with the Argies. The roport was written for the WJP and fronted by the 'dastardly' US who have stabbed Argentina in the back over exports!
You KNOW the Mad Bitch will be apoplectic over this. :o)
I am hearing rumors there are plans to replace Argentina with Poland on the G20..this is a new one but long coming.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( 39)
Apr 09th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't forget this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et4qTbg9KkE
(37) GeoffWard2
Apr 09th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Respect
( 41)
Apr 09th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poland is already represented in G-20 as a member of EU.
Interestingly there are no Malaysia..Thailand..Ukraine..Egypt ..in this group.
Corruption is a part of life in Argentina, but the current government takes the cake. I stand corrected about the ex-wife. My original source with the incorrect information was from an article on a Chilean site. The vice president is certainly guilty of influence peddling regarding contracts awarded by the Economy Ministry to Ciccone Printing.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0QUOTE: The controversy arose following statements made by the ex-wife of Ciccone executive Alejandro Vanderbroele to the effect that Boudou was his silent partner in the firm. Pursuant to prosecutor Carlos Rívolo's request and following news that the Puerto Madero condominium rented by Boudou was owned by a friend of Vanderbroele who had, moreover, borrowed funds from Boudou, Judge Daniel Rafecas ordered the residence searched for proof of business associations between Vanderbroele and the vice president; a receipt for one month of homeowner association dues owed by the condominium's owner, Fabián Carosso, and paid instead by Vanderbroele was located in the search on April 4. UNQUOTE
is not the G8 and G20 suposed to be the worlds 8th and 20th wealthiest countries,
Apr 09th, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or am I wrong
29 ElaineB (#) You have hit the nail on the head; you have been here enough times to realise the origins of the cultural attitudes.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(45) Chicureo
Apr 09th, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That clarifies la weaa weon....
@36
Apr 09th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I am tired of is foreigners here judging Argentine cultural traits.
In the USA the justice system is a joke, there's been cases of judges sending people to prison simply because it made their buddies at correctional institutions money. Cases of police completely botching even basic cases (remember the baby case a year or two ago), now look at this case with the black adolescent killed, all the evidence was tampered with. Seriously??
Besides the fact that everyone knows that in the USA, if you are black you are locked up, if you are not you walk (it seems even “hispanics” benefit from this). Last but not least, it is a justice system that goes to the highest bidder: if you have cash, belong to the gentrified class or your crime is “silk glove crime” instead of “latex glove”, judges will be far more lenient on your sentences.
I'm not comparing Argentina to the USA. What I am doing is casting on opinion on other countries, just like it seems all kinds of foreigners on this thread make comments on argieland. Or can you all say what you wish on us but us not on you? :)
As for the “culture” debate, I just love the sheer pathetic“ness” of all of you. “Argie” culture this, argie culture that...
All you guys do is point fingers and forget you just cleaned your noses with it.
There is a saying “What is a life worth that is not worth living?” ...
For all the all-mighty loftiness about “anglo-saxon” culture, or northern European, the fact is suicide and depression rates are off the charts in your countries compared to other regions. If your system is so wonderful, why so many kids blow their brains out to get out of it?
Pretty sinister culture if you ask me.
49
Apr 09th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pot-kettle-black-
Is it not true that most if not all countries suffer corruption at some time?
All throwing mud will do, is make a nasty brown mark, would it not,
This mans life, is of no concern to me, and probably has no effect on Britain or the British Falklands.
Nowt interest .
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The USA, Europe and certainly Chile all have their problems, but Argentina right now is causing regional havoc with their corrupt oversight of a beautiful country that could be so much better off. Instead they try to refocus the country's difficulties on the Falklands, which so far has surprisingly succeeded.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but I have to re-post this great line from Forbes..
Apr 09th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina continues to deteriorate under re-elected President Christina Fernandez de Kirchner into a tinhorn republic with stooge ministers and national accounts not reputable enough to appear in the Economist’s statistical tables.
@49, 51, 52.
Apr 09th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, that's life. If you don't like how Argentina is run, what it does, and its corruption, no one is forcing you to deal with it. Let us deal with it.
The Falklands are safe under British administration.
Chile is safe with a solid army and an Argentina that has unilaterally disarmed.
Brazil is safe as a rising power.
Uruguay is safe with it's increasing international reputation.
UK/Europe is safe as Argentina is half a planet away.
USA is safe as they remain a military superpower.
We don't care about foreigners opinions, whether Forbes, Economist, El Pais, Folha, or individuals!! It's not your country!!!
@46 - Not sure quite what the criterion is to be a member but its nice to dream that if one day the black gold flows down here and a seat is dependent on the wealth of the nation, we may be able to get us a seat on the G20 - now wouldn't THAT be fun
Apr 10th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0In typical RG thuggery CFK insisting on a “judicial review” of the judge. This is how they use the law as a weapon against their perceived enemies. There is absolutely no checks and balances in this diKtatorship. I don't know why they even both with the pretense of an election.
Apr 10th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So now the Judges are starting to resign. What is different to this conduct by Bodou and the K-Mafia than what the Dictatorship did? Next step people starting to disappear?
Apr 10th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ElaineB #29 - I usually agree with about everything you write, but I believe you have made a small error when you wrote “In Buenos Aires, in particular, they imported a lot of their cultural attitudes from Southern Italy.” I think that most Italians coming to Argentina were from northern Italy, thus the amount of redheads and blondes in the Argentina Italian community. The southern Italians were more predominant in the U.S., thus the mafia and extreme criminal elements.
Apr 10th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jerry, you Turnip!
Apr 10th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have ruined Turnip ElaineB fairy-tale by telling the truth!
Dont you know that Turnips are supposed to stick together?
What a Turnip!
I always believe in telling the truth, not varnished, like some of the writers here.
Apr 11th, 2012 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh do be quiet, Think.
Apr 11th, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who rattled your cage?
@57 You don't think there is a mafia style element to all the corruption? : ) Maybe it is a cultural trait from all of Italy. Hmmm, worth investigating a little more, I think.
Apr 11th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(59) Jerry
Apr 11th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may “always believe in telling the truth”.... but you do not always follow your beliefs.......
I still remember one of your comments with an outrageous high “Medialunas” price example.......
At those prices you mentioned, I seriously considered closing my humble shed in Patagonia and opening a Panaderia in Buenos Aires to become el “Bill Gates de la Factura de Grasa”....
57 jerry (#) I would be inclined to agree with Elaine. The Italians I have met and who have worked for me in BA (excluding my son-in-law who is from the north) are of the southern variety. The northerners are mainly into fruit growing and vineyards given their propensity of “green fingers”, and the area of the “Boca” is certainly southern. The ethnic majority make-up in Argentina is: Italian then Spanish followed by Polish and then Russian. These last two are augmented by the fact that the Jewish immigrants came mainly from these two countries.
Apr 11th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(63) Tim :
Apr 11th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A quite useful thumb-rule Italians use to find out where their compatriots originate from is to look at the last letter of their surnames.
If the surname ends with a ”A”, ”E” or ”I” they are generally from the North /Center of Italy
If the surname ends with a ”O”or ”U” they are generally from Sardinia, Sicily or the South of Italy.
Videla, Massera, Agosti, Viola, Lambruschini, Bignone or Galtieri, would be typical North Italian surnames........................
But……You should know that……... Some of them were “Friends” of you.
Or wasn’t that you that co-signed that 1982 letter to her Majesty the Queen asking her to “listen” to Galtieri and consider the interests of the Anglo-Argentines?
PS:
The vast majority of the Italians from La Boca area where originally from the province of Genova.
That’s why they were called Xeneises, a misspelling of Zeneises (Meaning “Genovese” in local dialect)
And, as some of us know, Genova lies in Northern Italy.
Google it!
Educate yourself Mr. Lough……
Aren’t you 8th or 9th generation Argentinean?
And still you know so little about your own Country!
64 Think (#) That was a telegram sent by one Tony Emerson without a please or thank you to any of the supposed signees (an ad hoc group he made up called British Estancieros and their descendants in Argentina). I was the only sucker in BA and I had a pretty rough time of it with the press and later the navy. Tony Emerson had a large place in Monte Maiz and he was scared of expropriation. He later sold and went back to the UK where he lost all his money in a bad investment in some poor quality land in Lincolnshire. My father had sold out some years before so we had nothing to loose and all I got was the lousy end of the stick and a lot of hassle.
Apr 12th, 2012 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is great!! I go away for a weekend and what do you know?
Apr 12th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinian Vice-president accused of embezzlement???? ( didn't see that one coming, did we?? )
Everyone in the Argentinian government backing their corrupt colleague?? well, if one goes down you can bet he'll start singing like a canary!!!
And I find that “Think” is doing what he does best and that is not thinking at all!! he can hardly post a comment without mentioning “Turnips”.... desist your spam javalin son!!! you'll go blind ( and I bet you already wear glasses!! )
All together now “The more things change, the more they stay the same!!”
Turkey neck and The Argentine Government give Boudou their full support.
Apr 12th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What, too carry on Laundering money? and for who?
Inimidating witnesses? on whos orders?
Destroying Evidence? too protect who?
and the usual Argentine habit too continue lying? FOR WHO?
He goes down they all go down.
(65) Tim
Apr 12th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your frank answer. I take your word for it.
I apologize for ripping into a long forgotten past.
It was that stupid ElaineB’s comment.
Passive ignorance does irritate me.
But active ignorance kills me.
68 Think (#) No problem; it got worse!!! The Navy were seriously worried that there would be a whiplash on the community which would have gone down like a bad dose of salts internationally and the Task Force was on its way, so sucker here was summoned to the Naval High Command in the Edificio Libertad to see how they could help the community; end line was that they asked me to get a committee to go with Niki Costa Mendez to Washington, with the premise that we could not talk politics nor sovereignty (they were smart enough to realise that I wasn't too happy with Galtieri and Co, they were also smart enough to realise that they were probably going to loose the war. Just imagine, they listened to Radio Carve in Uruguay to know what was going on as no information was coming from this side and I saw this for myself). So I got a friend of mine and my brother and we were put onto the plane with Niki and we were sent to Washington and networked on RG national TV at the OAS with Roberto Maidana running the program just talking about how our religion and cultures had always been respected (which was true). It was the most unpleasant trip I have ever done, to boot we were ousted from our hotel, The Dupont Plaza, as a RAF delegation had arrived and we were persona non grata at the hotel after we held a local TV interview in the lobby. Lots more anecdotes, but the end result was that the community had no hassle at all.
Apr 13th, 2012 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@69 Tim,
Apr 13th, 2012 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like l said once before, Tim.
You would be walking a tightrope where you are.
An unenviable position.
70 lsolde (#) It was then and you had to be careful of your opinions; but there were some amusing moments along with the not so amusing ones. Now as an old fart I just speak my mind!!!! One of the advantages of old age.
Apr 13th, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think contra Elaine B
Apr 13th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The point is that there is a very high level of corruption in Argentina and always has been and nobody does anything effective about tackling it. Nothing for a country to be proud of. It doesn't really matter where its come from. To focus on another posters possible error is to distract from the issue of the article. You seem to do this alot.
(71) Tim ……:
Apr 13th, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should write a book about all those Anglo-Argentinean stories that you and your family have been an integral part of, since 1806……
You could title it: ”9th generation British Invader” or something.......
But please, please, please…….. Abstain from any Turnipy intent of blaming the Italian, Spanish, German, British or Armenian communities for the sorry State of our Nation……….....................
Everybody knows that it is the Polish who are to blame!
(Let's see “how freeely” you can tell that to La Polaca, ol' fart ;-)
PS:
I really mean the first paragraph…………
some last names from Italy regions are that........
Apr 13th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Puglisi...from Scilia......
Capellani....from Sardegna...
Fornarini...from Toscana...
Falconetti ......from Fiuli...
Bisacco ......from Venetto..
Martinetto ....from Lombardia....
Gorresio .....from Piemonte...
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I think some people has
0--80 % SOC( state of charge) ..230 VAC /14 A
here.................
Thats nice, geo.
Apr 13th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where do your family come from?(you can tell lies if you like! Sr Think does it all the time!)
73 Think (#) We actually arrived in Montevideo on the 25th January 1835 aboard the “Cora” under the command of Capt Whitley (she left Liverpool on the 29th October to give you an idea of how long it took) and we crossed to Buenos Ayres in 1849, so I think I am fifth generation and my grandchildren 7th generation. I have a lot of back history but I'm lazy as shit for writing!!!! Keep most of it in my head and piles of papers, hopefully some descendant can write it all up one day.
Apr 14th, 2012 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0(76) Tim
Apr 14th, 2012 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 01830’s…………, Huhhhhh…..
Approximately same point in time as the Swedish branch of my Clan arrived to Perú’s coasts to shovel some bird droppings onto ships.
Thus assisting humankind into killing each other more efficiently.
Not sure about the precise date though………………..
Should have a look at the piles of paper the old, lazy geezers left behind in Iquique.
Anyhow……
That you, every now and then, write sh*t about the “Malvinas Issue” doesn’t mean that you are a shitty writer.
Try, eventually, with a ghost writer…......
He/She could also be instrumental at filtering out some of the worst “English Haughty”, “Gorilla Bias”, and other “Monkey Business” of those, otherwise, indubitably precious anecdotes and stories………
@77 Think,
Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0So your relations were in the Peruvian guano trade, were they?
ln the 19th century? Mmmmm, interesting.
That was when the Peruvians were capturing slaves from Polynesia, from Easter lsland to work the guano mines.
Where they were worked until they died.
Anything to do with your kinfolk, oh haughty Think?
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Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very easy to answer your questions by free using Internet sources.!
(78) Isolde
Apr 15th, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to be a fairly unimpaired minded woman who likes viejos verdes and with lots of idle hours to kill…………..
Wouldn't it be a job for you to help Mr. Tim on writing his “Mémoires” ?
78 lsolde
Apr 15th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see 'I don't Think' thinks that by changing the subject and throwing in some personal abuse, people won't think he does not want to tell the truth.
But we all think the opposite of 'I don't Think' because we KNOW WHAT HE IS LIKE!
What do think, Isolde? :o)
(78) Isolde
Apr 15th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, it was always “kind of difficult” to get good jornaleros around Iquique.
Until 1907.....
73 Think
Apr 15th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I knew it was only a matter of time before you mentioned “Turnips”......
I would really, REALLY love to read something fresh and original from you, but all I get is “Turnips”
Come back when you actually have something to say.....
Stirring up sr Think is an enjoyable pastime.
Apr 15th, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0God how he must hate us!(or me!)lol♥
lts like poking a tiger with a stick through the bars! lol.
Not that l'd ever do that to one of God's creatures.
Well, oh haughty king turnip, were your relations in the Peruvian slave trade or not?
Mind you it was a good 40 years AFTER the British had abolished it.
But anything for a kroner or two, eh Think?
@81ChrisR,
Chris,
Thats a classic Think tactic.
Sometimes it works.
Think could teach Sun Tzu(think thats how you spell it)a thing or two!
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