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Argentina and Brazil closer in defence issues and in support of Malvinas claim
Argentina and Brazil agreed to work on a common defence agenda underlining the importance of strengthening Unasur and working to ensure that Latin America is a peace zone thus sending a strong message to the UK on the Falklands/Malvinas issue. Read full article
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Apr 18th, 2012 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only after this statement has been made will Argentina leave it's bedroom and come down to sit at the table with adults.
Is this a case of the Argentinian tail trying to wag the Brazilian dog as they tried to do recently in Cartagena with the whole of North and South America and the Caribbean.They were very successful there I notice. The Repsol case(which is just the start of the expropriations) is wonderful for Argentina's image and financial credibility.The lunatics are well and truly in charge of the Argie asylum.It is good for a laugh though !
Apr 18th, 2012 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0”the Peace and Cooperation Zone in the South Atlantic, (Zopacas)” which of course include Brazilian Nuclear-powered Nuclear-capable Submarines.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what's this about the Argies buying a whole new set of Exocets to launch at Spanish and British/FIG vessels? I hope the French tell them a resounding no.
Good old peaceful Argentina is at it again trying to militarise the region and upgrade Exocet missiles.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Damn those warmongers.
Luckily the Type 45 can eat Exocet for breakfast....
This morning's first ironic smile came from reading that the topic of military colonies in Antarctica came up. Now, this is the Defence Ministers talking not the Science and Technology ministers. The whiff of hypocrisy again.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0The second one came from reading that there was a push for delivery of armoured vehicles for use on UN ops. From my own experience, I interpret that to mean that Argentina has made payments up front and desperately wants to get the vehicles into UN missions so that UN money contributing nations (guess who) can start paying for them.
Sends a clear message to the UK that we need to militarise the South Atlantic to counter the increasing threat from Argentina. Also a “joint defence” initiative, which means that the RG's are hell bent on sucking as many SA countries into a military expedition as possible.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still they wont get the Falklands.
I never knew Argentina was interested in those military projects.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still, got nothing to worry about unless their defence budget suddenly jumps up.
@7 Sure, the Argentinians are all about the peaceful South Atlantic *cough* bollocks *cough*.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We are completely against the militarisation of the Falkland Islands by the UK as this means we can't invade like we did before”. It'll be interesting to see how much money they have left for defence after they pay the Spanish back. Aren't the Brazillians supposed to be buying loads of UK military kit?
Apr 18th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are completely against the militarisation of the Falkland Islands by the UK as this means we can't invade like we did before”. It'll be interesting to see how much money they have left for defence after they pay the Spanish back. Aren't the Brazillians supposed to be buying loads of UK military kit?
Apr 18th, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor deluded brits imperialist...they are gonners///Irak,Iran,miserable piracy history of uk........
Actually our Piracy history was very successful and far from miserable, you must have been reading the wrong books! The stuff we took from your ancestors as they tried to leg it to Spain with bloodstained aztec gold was worth loads.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0l stopped reading when l got to “Argentina's legitimate claim” & Argentina “demanded”...blah blah..............
Apr 18th, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do we even talk to the whackjobs?
@10 Yep, we Brits are so far “gone” that you argies are scared sh*teless of 4 aircraft and 1 destroyer. How are you going to feel when another 60 aircraft and 3 more destroyers turn up? And do watch out for what's under the waves. Hope you realise that the Royal Navy can actually surround you. Your Atlantic seaboard is no problem. Tomahawk cruise missiles can also be launched from the Pacific. Flying over the Andes is no problem!
Apr 18th, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 010 Malvinero1.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh Mali-baby............ by the way, you spell Irak with a Q, not a K.
12 lsolde
We have to I'm afraid, someone has to be the voice of reason and sanity. The world has to have a guiding light of rightousness and it's got to be us.
Could you imagine leaving that sort of responibility to the Argies???? ( shudder )
@9
Apr 18th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil bought 3 OPVs from BAE which were originally for Trinidad and Tobago. (I think there might be 5 license builts in Brazil too but im not 100% on that)
They've also been offered to be part of the T26 frigate program, it must be being considered because as far as i know the French or Italians have been plugging the FREMM but it's not been accepted by Brazil, my guess is Brazil is waiting to see the final T26 design before making a decision.
The policy of waiting also falls hand in hand with other programs as I think they're building some nuclear subs (the number i cannot remember) and other dealings in regards to a future native aircraft carrier to replace Sao Paulo.
Actually our Piracy history was very successful and far from miserable, you must have been reading the wrong books! The stuff we took from your ancestors as they tried to leg it to Spain with bloodstained aztec gold was worth loads.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0uk is FINISHED! PAy back time,million dead and deprived from freedom,vecause of the Brits piracy!!
Just get out from uk,while you still can,stupid pirates brits!
Some of the British comments are hilarious. Why the anger and the fear? hahaha
Apr 18th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“miserable piracy history”
Apr 18th, 2012 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a great joke, hahaha.
Except that to most people stealing a foreign company's legitimate shareholding in an oil company is ... err .... piracy.
So who are the pirates now, you Argie thieves?
16 Malvinero1 :) your the funniest south amercian colonial pirate in the whole world! lol
Apr 18th, 2012 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16, 17 Anytime you like we can improve on “million dead” by adding a bunch of queer south americans. Got a really, really deep hole so you can reappear later and whitter on about 41 million dead? You should feel free to die any time!
Apr 18th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No anger. And certainly no “fear”. But we are prepared to take account of the possibility that there may be 40 or 50 argies worth saving. No females of course and certainly no males with working genitalia. Wouldn't want any reproduction of hereditary psychotic, thieving, mendacious psychotics. Too much danger of letting them get into the human gene pool.
I'm neither angry nor fearful of the Argies. Their economy is broken, their people are destitude... there is naught left for them, except the claws with which they lash out.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the Brits need to understand why the term 'Pirats' is so popular in LatAm and Spain.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pirates were considered to have no rights to live if caught. They were routinely executed in various ways around the world when they first became a real problem to the west (UK and Spain).
Santa Anna declared the defenders at the Alamo to be 'Pirats' for exactly this reason.
Makes sense when you think about Malv / Pratt-Junta and the rest of the idiotic bunch of Malvanistas.
@17
Apr 18th, 2012 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems a reccuring trend of Malvinistas to confuse the term “anger” with “amusement + smugness”
As for fear, why on earth would any country be afraid of Argentina?
It's pretty funny when Malvinistas kid themselves into thinking Argenina is somehow an intimidating world power.
I suppose that this is the thanks we get from Brazil after it was our crewmen from HMS Protector that helped out the burning science station a few months back:
Apr 18th, 2012 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/News-and-Events/Latest-News/2012/February/27/120227-HMS-Protector-sailors-tackle-ferocious-blaze
What's this all about the use of the word “anger”. Is this the new word all members of La Wimpora have been told to post. Quite funny really.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've read this article three times now but am failing to spot the 'strong message to the UK on the Falklands/Malvinas issue'. Am I missing something?
Apr 18th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can build as much kit as you want. It's how you operate it that counts. The US and UK nuclear boats, have spent the past six decades, training and practicing how to hunt and kill other boats. They have practiced hunting each beneath all of the oceans of the world and have become very good at it. Having nuclear boats and knowing how to use them are two entirely different things.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27
Apr 18th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0100% true.
@27
Apr 18th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentinian miltary have consistently forgotten that point:
1) putting 18 yo conscripts into the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) without training and expecting them to tackle 3 Para - madness;
2) using the fully automatic version of the FAL in the abject hope that once the trigger is pulled someone will be shot / killed. Never in a million years - ask the yanks;
3) 'technicians' (what a joke) wiring the torpedo tubes up in reverse while 'servicing' the TR1700 subs for use against the Falklands. This resulted in the gyros running up in reverse (DC motors), which when the topedo exited the tube and the gimbals were unlocked the gyros inverted and sent the topedo the wrong way, ha, ha, ha.
You could not make this up - what a bunch of twats.
@26 I know it's difficult but the 'strong message to the UK on the Falklands/Malvinas issue' is “We are a joke. In the near future, we will be a broke, destitute joke. In the slightly longer term, we will be a broke, destitute, dead joke.” The important thing for all responsible people and governments to do when these things happen is...NOTHING! The world will be incredibly better off without argies and argieland. REMEMBER THIS! Both Germany and Japan had to be destroyed and made to start again. But they were intelligent compared to argieland. Is it not the case that Germany and Japan were defeated in war, accepted it and changed their ways? And argieland was defeated in war. Result? Same old crap. One way or another they have to be ground into the dirt and, although it seems impracticable, re-educated into being people. They cannot be allowed to reamin in their current territory. They will only brainwash themselves again. An argie diaspora. On average, no more than 210,000 argies per “other country”. Following their own example, any excess argies should be tossed out of suitable aircraft. Another good idea would be to use aircraft and ships being utilised to transport relocating argies as targets for anti-aircraft, air-to-air and anti-ship missiles as well as torpedos. Wonder how many countries would say “Not you, loser!”
Apr 18th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a great joke, hahaha.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Except that to most people stealing a foreign company's legitimate shareholding in an oil company is ... err .... piracy.
Nothing compare with the assasination,bribery,drug pushing ,theft,lies,etc..of the ex british excrement empire!
how argentine politics work http://tn.com.ar/sociedad/00089564/misiones-golpean-a-periodistas-en-el-consejo-deliberante lulz
Apr 18th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I were a Brazilian I would be very careful about any agreements that I signed up to with Argentina.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have a theory.
Apr 18th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina know they will never gain sovereignty of the FI through diplomacy / negotiation, they don't have much of a case, leaving many in the world to question where the sabre rattling and their policy towards the FI, will get them, even Argentina's own academics.
To me it looks like there was an agreement between the then Brazilian and Argentine leaders, a few years ago, when Argentina changed their policy towards the FI and pulled out of the joint fisheries and oil deals.
Probable plan... if Argentina can invade and retake the FI, Brazil would warn Britain they would fight on Argentina's side, against any British expeditionary force, should the UK send one. Argentina just needed to sabre rattle to gain regional support and to try and justify their actions to the world. This also explains Brazil's recent interest in the South Atlantic and ambitious military and submarine program.
I'm sure the UK Govt. suspect this is a possibility, hence why the FI are well defended.
Brazil is pivotal in the whole scenario.
Anyway just a theory and I hope I am wrong. But Argentina under the crazy CFK have already shown they will take what is not theirs.
@17 xbarilox I am having trouble establishing your position on this whole issue. Are you on Britain's or Argentina's side in this debate? It's just that you seem to swing from one to the other with each new article. Perhaps you could clear up where you stand for me?
Apr 18th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We hate to say it but
Apr 18th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Minister Amorim, is a fool,
CFK will do anything to get others to do her dirty work,
And if, brazil is foolish enough and stupid enough, to fall behind Argentina and prepares for military action,
Then the out come would be disastrous for brazil,
And Argentina would just sit back and say, it wasn’t my fault,
A greater agenda, could be, that if Brazil loses everything it has built up in south America, WHO stands to gain, from her downfall, [CFK perhaps]
Cannot South America see that this woman will sacrifices everybody, and everyone, in her obsession with the British Falklands,
This makes her a very dangerous woman indeed.
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@34
Apr 18th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil has substantial offshore oil + gas reserves and this is one driving force in advancing their naval power to protect these assets.
Also, being a developing economic power they naturally wish to expand their military and rather than simply buying in ships or whatever, to get an industrial experience buildup in the country and to become less dependent on foreign suppliers they wish to develop their own advanced naval systems (nuclear subs, aircraft carriers and so on). Nuclear powered subs being particularly useful as their range + endurance substantially increases.
The defence industry is worth billions, so it's the smart thing to do - when your econemy is as promising as Brazils - to try get your own national defence industry developing and sell a few items here and there. I expect Brazilian defence projects will draw a fair amount of attention from other SA countries.
Whilst Brazil may be pivotal, they will not go to war over the Falklands, they're too smart for that.
So much for Argentina becoming an isolated, frinedless pariah post-nationalisation eh? =)
Apr 18th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#20 “Anytime you like we can improve on “million dead” by adding a bunch of queer south americans. Got a really, really deep hole so you can reappear later and whitter on about 41 million dead? You should feel free to die any time!
No anger.”
As so often with you, you couldn't make it up (as Richard Littlejohn, probably an inspiration of yours, would say)!
@35 BritishguyfromLondon,
Apr 19th, 2012 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Xbarilox is our resident loose cannon.
He does swing/roll from one side to another.
Maybe it depends on what he has been smoking/drinking/injecting.?
No matter what he says, you can see that he doesn't like Cristina.
Actually some of his posts are quite witty.
l like him.
@38 I don't read the daily mail, because I'm educated and not poor.
Apr 19th, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was referring to Conqueror, nice line in snobbery you've got there Greek, but to admit to having your views as an educated man who doesn't read the Daily Mail is actually more embarassing
Apr 19th, 2012 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@37 RobWilliams
Apr 19th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good point... But I'm pretty sure Nestor and CFK dreamt up an evil master plan, that leads to an Argentine invasion of the FI, to steal the FI's oil.
But plans change, as do leaders. The way things are going CFK won't last must longer, one way or the other.
@42
Apr 19th, 2012 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They've castrated their military to such a degree that all this talk of Argentina actually capturing the islands is silly.
They have no amphibious capability anymore + would you like to try a paradrop on the islands with a T45 + 4 Typhoons on stations? It'd be a slaughter.
Unless Argentina increases its defence budget (which is set to reach 1.5% of GDP in 2015 i think) then there won't be anything to worry about. All the while the carriers creep closer + more Astutes come online.
who are these idiots that write in the forums,they must be english! they make no sense!
Apr 20th, 2012 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 016, 17 Anytime you like we can improve on “million dead” by adding a bunch of queer south americans. Got a really, really deep hole so you can reappear later and whitter on about 41 million dead? You should feel free to die any time
Apr 20th, 2012 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHAHAH
WHat an IDIOT,conquered....Just get out of that stupid debt ridden country,called uk......AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
They've castrated their military to such a degree that all this talk of Argentina actually capturing the islands is silly.
They have no amphibious capability anymore + would you like to try a paradrop on the islands with a T45 + 4 Typhoons on stations? It'd be a slaughter.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH everything can chage quickly...specially with an uselless bankrupt hated country like uk....
@45 Malvinero1,
Apr 20th, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
or
AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
or
UUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH
or even,
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGENTINA IS FINISHEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDD
@45
Apr 20th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Useless, bankrupt hated country like UK.
Lets see, useles.Well we kicked your ass and sent you home crying, where you've been whinging ever since, grow a pair and act like a man, if you are one. You may be female for all I know.
Bankrupt. Hypotheticaly. A man walks into a bank and says, “ I'd like to open an account. I can deposit Argentine Pesos or UK sterling, which would you prefer?” Bank manager, “Twat, give me the fucking sterling.”
Hated, if it's by you, I can live with that.
@45Malvinero1,
Apr 20th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troll.
@45
Apr 25th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinas military is so messed up i wouldn't be suprised if the new skippers on any new ships get taken to one side and told which end is the front.
A fully functional, capable and experienced navy doesn't just appear out of thin air. Not to mention the second Argentina gets ANY sort of specialised amphibious assault gear then every move they make will be scrutinised.
Also, the UK is bankrupt is it? If i recall the UK has a AAA credit rating + is modernising it's naval fleet, what's Argentina doing? Watching their ships arses rust out.
@49 RobWilliams,
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0And they seriously think that they can build a nuclear powered submarine in a second hand hull!
@50
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0A second hand hull which -if i remember correctly - had construction suspended after 70% completion and the rest of it stuck in crates for over a decade.
Besides, i'm 100% sure any relatively efficient navy (like the RN for instance) won't have any trouble finding that washing machine rattling around the seas anyway
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