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Cristina Fernandez “not concerned” about international reaction to YPF takeover
The government of President Cristina Fernandez is “not concerned” about the escalade of international criticism following the announced nationalization of the oil company YPF, and rules “thinking in Argentina not in Spain or the US”, said two cabinet members. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe child of the Montoneros terrorists is not concerned about an anti-constitutional takeover of a private company, how very strange!!!
Apr 20th, 2012 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The legallity of this “expropiation” is very dodgy from a constitutional point of view, there should be a judicial order prior to expropiation, not a decree and the payment of the cost of expropiation must be paid before the takeover of the company not the forced takeover we saw in Bs As yesterday.
Shame on you Kirchneristas.
@ 1 The government is not concerned because that's why you're here, to be concerned :)
Apr 20th, 2012 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You and your idiotic countrymen will only be concerned when you find that those few of you with brains enough to dissent the actions of Pero...Galti...Kirchner's regime will be disappearing like the tens of thousands of brave Argentinians who saw through the lies of the previous nationalist scum that ruled you.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Again, no Argentine here has explained how doing something that has pissed off a substantial portion of the international community is not going to affect their “coalition” in support of the Falklands.
Also, why would any person from a first-world country accept becoming part of a third-world nation that has a history of killing tens of thousands of its own countrymen, of continual economic collapse (coming ((again)) soon) and shows no sign of changing its pattern of nationalist populist lies.
We are not concerned, we are angry, we are angry that we had to kick your ass before you understood us last time, and that we will probably have to do it again before you understand this time.
Think beyond the nationalist lies you are being told, is there not a single Argentinian who can see where their nation, economy, and freedoms are imminently heading?
3 Great Britain (#)
Apr 20th, 2012 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apr 20th, 2012 - 02:00 am
Oh yes there are about 36% of us who know that Mrs. K is leading the famous 54% and us into a mire of inflation, unemployment, misery and, for the really poor, DEATH.
This is the woman who tells us that she fights for the downtroden and the underdog. She is totally unspeakable.
God help Argentina, noone else can
Of course KFC isn't concerned. She has her palace and her Botox injections. She's doing fine.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0When Mexico expropriated the oil industry, hundreds of thousands of mexicans went to the streets to donate even their chickens and pigs in order to pay the hefty sums the foreign oil companies demanded and to avoid war.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree that Argentina must control its own resources, what is wrong is the way Cristina is doing it, making the whole country looked like thieves. There are ways to do it.
When Mexico nationalised 17 oil industries, there was a labor conflict, President Cardenas organized a meeting with the foreign oil companies, he asked the provide 26 million pesos to guarantee salaries for the workers on strike, to which the oil business men replied “and who´s going to guarantee that?”, and President Cardenas replied “The President of Mexico!”, then an oil business man said “you and who else?”, after this insult the President terminated the meeting and the oil companies lost their chance to continue operating in the country. Nevertheless, they were all paid for their assets.
Not concerned over international reaction, well there you go then, She will not be concerned over the lack of international investment. She will not be concerned over the lack of job creating opportunities. She will not be concerned for the welfare of her citizens. You realy could not make this up, I do not know whether to laugh or cry, or cry with laughter.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 01 Simon68
Apr 20th, 2012 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good to see you are still fighting the good fight. Yes, she should be concerned, very concerned about international reaction. I think that she has just hammered another nail into the coffin of internation investment in Argentina.
Silly woman!!
Let's face it, Argtards gonna tard. If we didn't think they'd do something completely ridiculous leading to nationwide rack and ruin then we wouldn't be here laughing at it.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0If she did something constitutional, then I'd be more concerned, because it would be completely outside her typical behaviour pattern.
norwegian Brevick and the arg. government have the same problem: both are totally crazy an nobody understands what they have done.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Minister Abel Medina remarked “that considering Spain’s current economic crisis, it is “quite normal” to see them trying to find scapegoats overseas.”
Apr 20th, 2012 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hello, pot this is kettle - send colour status, over!
The absurdity of it all. Well Medina, Spain can always rely on the rest of the EU to help out financially if push comes to shove. Who does Argentina have to back them up? Oh, yeah, Venezula, and I doubt they can keep haemorrhaging money into the black hole that is Argentina's economy.
@11 I would consider Spain's issues nowhere near the issues of Argentina. One is fluid and demands the respect of the market, the other appears to be descending into a festival of self-mutilation.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just to put that '54%' into context again. Of the Argentine population roughly 70% are eligible to vote. Of the 70% roughly one third did not bother to vote. Of the remaining percentage of voters 54% voted for CFKC. (Many were paid to do so). I just wanted to mention this again because the CFKC supporters like to give the impression that 54% of all Argentines support their President. Just sayin'.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0It helps if you put your fingers in your ears and recite the words
Apr 20th, 2012 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm not listening,
I'm not listening,
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Much better would have been to get the RepsolYPF-Government business model effectively working over the last few years. Companies need profits, and if the government deprives the company of the means of being profitable, then this breaks the model and the faith that underpins it.
Forcing its share value down, nationalising, with minimal compensations is a self-defeating tactic if there is no competent body in the wings to expedite matters better.
.......... But perhaps that is where a PPP with the Chinese comes in... watch this space.
Rock on my Queen, don't let the bastards get you down +) Ti amo mi reina, besos
Apr 20th, 2012 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0#13 I predict she'll be re-elected next time with more than 54%
@15 I'm relatively sure la campora will be able to pay enough people to re-elect her with more than the 23% of the population who voted for her last time.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Besides she needs to be there for Maximo's coronation.
“Interior minister Florencio Randazzo said that the government of Cristina Fernandez rules thinking in Argentina.”
Apr 20th, 2012 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0However outside Argentina, it is OK to say and think “National Socialism sucks”, if you want to that is.
Keep going CFK...dont be afraid of them...
Apr 20th, 2012 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16 I don't think she will last until the next election. Seriously. She was not meant to, and didn't want to, run at the last election. She did it, probably, to try to establish the ground for Maximo to continue the power of her family. She also let her vanity rule her good sense. Her words at the time when she wanted out indicated that when she met the cheering crowds (mostly paid to be there) she decided to run. Pure narcissism.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0When the economy crashes she will not hang around.
@19 I'd agree. There was a gap in the time between Führer Nestor's death and Führer Maximo being groomed in order to take over, and she just stepped in to fill in that gap. She's just acting out whatever she thinks Nestor would have done, which was walking out of UN-promoted negotiations with the UK, and other erratic actions.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well done Argtards.
“#13 I predict she'll be re-elected next time with more than 54%”
Apr 20th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you believe she will change the Argentine constitution to suit herself then? Maybe this fluid document of little importance could also lose it's imperial territorial claims too?
@21 Did she respect the Constitution when thieving YPF, without attempting to providing a reasonable agreed value and purchasing it up front??
Apr 20th, 2012 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Urm... no.
She will not have to be elected. By the time the elections come around Argentina will be like Cuba - a one party state and the Argentinians will continue to blame the rest of the World for their woes.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Interior minister Florencio Randazzo said that the government of Cristina Fernandez rules thinking in Argentina.”
Apr 20th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0What's that? Has Florence (Magic Roundabout) lost the plot? Surely, in a democracy, it is the people who are supposed to rule.
@24 I think he's talking about the huge amount of brainwashing that goes on there through both the restriction of book sales to only government texts that originate within the Nation itself and also the great focus on political issues and historical reworking that goes on in their educational establishments.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Technically, they do rule thinking.
“Interior minister Florencio Randazzo said that the government of Cristina Fernandez rules thinking in Argentina”
Apr 20th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brave New World! 1984! Big Sister has truly arrived!
26 DJ56 oh god!! no wonder the country is so f**ked up if KFC rules all the thinking in Argentina.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the population should follow Simon68 and start thinking for themselves, it seems to work out alright for him........
perpare for more of the same if one of offspring takes over the reins.....
What a mess......
#27
Apr 20th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh my God - there are OFFSPRING? A huge hegemonising swarm of turkeynecks?
“Cristina Fernandez “not concerned” about international reaction to YPF takeover”, how very interesting, considering this the same international folk who fund argentina with billions of financial aid and loans least of all trade, she should be “very concerned” in fact the whole of Argentina should be very worried.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You had been warned, she needs stopping, not talking to ,
Apr 20th, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She does what she wants, when she wants, and to whom she wants,
Just wait until Spain really gets going, and she will send in the heavy guys,?
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http://online.wsj.com/video/opinion-argentinas-thugs-/0C8B482E-F496-4B4C-8D3D-94A89765952F.html?KEYWORDS=argentina
Apr 20th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's all about to come tumbling down...
Anyone know if the peso hit 6/1 yet?
#19 & 20 This dismissal of Cristina as a weak woman in a traditional male dominated dynasty doesn't really fit with your usual demonisation of her as an all powerful dictator in the wings does it? The idea that Maximo could just stand on his family background and no previous egislative or government experience falls down on the fact that Argentina really IS NOT North Korea. He may eventually emerge as a presidential contender but thats probably decades in the future, after time in other roles, if its even what he wants. There are kthers who could continue the model - I think Timmerman could make a good interim President if the constitution demands my Queen's temporary departure - but as Boudou said a few months back Cristina is more than someone that governs, she's an indispensible representative of the nation.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#21 Indeed it could. Maybe that could be Britain's opening shot in the negotiaitions =)
32. Does your Queen have a food taster? If not I would suggest one quickly.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina Fernández de Kirchner
Apr 20th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latest names being banded around her government,
1, kirchinerland
2, ferandosland
3, christianland
She may not be tough,
But she is clever,
What better accolade than to have your country names after you .
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On 31, I don't usually post links but I thought it was funny that they were using the same descriptors as I have been for so long, THUG, un-civilized, etc and predicting the same outcome as I have been and I'm just an impartial observer.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#34 Is that true? If it is they must really love her but I don't think it'll happen
Apr 20th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 You sage and thought leader, you.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shall I be so bold as to predict Devaluation...hyper-inflation...depression oh but when...that is the question but it is closer than the slow witted ones here think.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shall we say peso 6/1 by eom May, 10/1 eoy? I'm talking black market which is the REAL exchange rate.
I won't predict what the patacones will exchange for tho....
@38 I predicted widespread dining on tree-bark soup, and potentially shoe for desert. We've not got there yet.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly i'm a lesser sage.
39. First they would have to start expropriating the large farms. A lot of them are US owned so I doubt that will happen.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BUT If they have another drought they will have to import corn and wheat . Before the Ks they used to have a surplus to export but with the bad policies they'v destroyed all of their farming but soy. Even Uruguay exports more beef than Arg does now. Plus the good cuts of Beef in BA cost more than they do in NYC and it's no longer grass fed they use feed lots like we do here.
Looks like Cristina Fernandez had better start “getting concerned” :
Apr 20th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9216541/European-Parliament-calls-for-sanctions-against-Argentina.html
Has it not yet been recognized here that British_Kirchnerist is pulling your leg? Everything that he writes is exactly opposite of the truth.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We elected her to represent Argentina not the world but good try mercopress, someday your journalist will write reports worth reading hopefully based on facts and truth but in all this year's of printing BS I doubt your writers know the difference, keep trying don't loose hope.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/117885
www.bradblog.com/?p=9238
@42 Yeah, I know, I don't take it seriously at all. No one would take seriously a person who sounds like an obsessive love-sick teenager who has never even visited Argentina.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The posts are slightly creepy though.
42 jerry
Apr 20th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you have to understand where Scottie_Kirchner is coming from.
He is Old Labour (the dead-headed Scottish version) who used to strike first and maybe think about the disaster later.
That is why these people DO NOT want devolution: they would end up paying massive amounts of tax to support old Fish-face as 'Prime Minister' when they can ride on the back of the English at the moment.
He claims to be a patriot, but he is really a communist by association with Old (Scottish) Labour.
The sooner we get rid of these loosers, the sooner OUR tax rates have a chance of reducing or at least financing something for the English for a change.
@45
Apr 20th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is there anyone other people to the English who are not “l00sers”, other than the English?
You're so frustrated and angry, it's really funny because there is nothing you can do about it hahaha
Apr 20th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42 In addition Wannabe-Argtard (British Kirchnerist) is a good measure of argument strength. He just provides the position of the devil's advocate which allows you to look at your own argument and ask if it's complete nonsense. Besides he does no harm.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 That's like asking if the Argtards are ever not victims.
'47
Apr 20th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0neither frustrated nor angry and your quite right, there is nothing that we can do about it.. However there is something that can be done by various economic organisations and governments. What should be concerning you is whether or not they will do something. After all, decisions some time have consequences, those consequences can affect you. Personaly, I think she will get away with it. this time and probably the next time too. However a time will come when she will not.
@48
Apr 20th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I appreciate your honesty. Will keep it in mind the next time “looosers” are on the lose. (or losers on the loose? English, one wonder how a language from people that like rules so much has no spelling rules)
@32 Don't be silly. Maximo will be “recommended” as a chip off the old plastic block. With a mummy in the background to see that he gets it right. Shades of “Curse of the Mummy.” Please let's have Tinman. Excellent doorstop as he's thicker than two short planks. I'll bet Israel would deny that he has any ethnic connection.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 You're right. They're going to call it “fuckedupland”!
@43 Your links are still crap. Never mind. Stick with being a retard. It's all you're good for.
@46 Difficult to say. When you “lose” something, you become a “loser”. When you release something, you may “loose” it. Then you may be a “looser”.
@47 Talking to anyone in particular? Jeez, the standard of argtards is really dropping. Must be recruiting from argie universities.
@48 Are you sure? He's giving Britain a bad name. People might think that real Britons think like him. Although there are always some who get gooey over fat shag slags/slugs.
@49 Are you sure? It all depends who you mean by “we”. Britain, for example, usually draws a “line in the sand”. Quite often no-one tells “the opposition” where the line actually is. I reckon CFK is getting quite close to the British “line”. Let's look at her current crop of “mistakes”. She's taking action against the Falklands. Still refusing to pay her debts. Pissing off the IMF, of which Britain is an important member. Pissing off Spain whilst Spain is in a precarious financial position. As a fellow member of the EU, Britain is also pissed off. Slagging Britain off to anyone who will listen with lies. Pissing off at least one member, possibly more, of the main UN authority. This is not a “good for argieland” list. Remember that EU/Mercosur trade agreement? On “hold” now isn't it? How will other Mercosur members respond? Chile and Uruguay don't seem to be too keen to adopt the argie model. The Peruvian opposition don't seem to keen and neither is Colombia. CFK doesn't care. She's getting her rake-off!
@43
Apr 20th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She has been elected to govern and to govern well. I see no sign of this:
She tries to isolate the Falklands.
She offers flights to the Falklands.
She fails to commemorate the war dead.
She fails in her efforts to get neighbours to jump to same tune.
She steals from the Mothership (aka Spain)
She fails to submit accounts to IMF
She breaks trade embargoes
She threatens legitimate companies outside of Argentine waters
She sours trade deals with neighbours.
She frightens off international investment.
And apparently this is what the people want... because it's a Peronist government? Cricky-oh-blimey, thank the lord Peronism is not on the menu in Blighty!
CFK & Co are probably not concerned, as its not going to affect them one iota.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Considering Spain’s current economic crisis, it is quite normal to see them trying to find scapegoats overseas.”
Wot like CFK and the Malvinas!
“Until this historic decision, Argentina did not have a national oil company”
No because Argentina sold it some years ago, for real money, that was actually paid.
@ 14 GeoffWard2
If the Chinese get involved it will be on their own terms, and let’s face it they can afford to wait, its not like they have any competition.
@ 15 British_Kirchnerist
So you know the election result already do you.
hmm interesting.
@ 17 Be serious
He meant to say
“Interior minister Florencio Randazzo said that the government of Cristina Fernandez rules out thinking in Argentina.”
@ 50 tobias
Makes it easy to teach to and user friendly for, the colonised ones.
Conqueror. I meant we as bloggers.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain are not looking for scapegoats... the action by Argentina has been condemned by the US, the European Parliament (and individual EU states), Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan, The World Bank, the IMF and others.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile says Argentina's YPF seizure hurts investment. Bolivia is backing away in disapproval along with many other Latin American countries.
Argentinians may think this is a great idea... but most of the rest of the world think it is pathetic!
cfk is a fool
Apr 20th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An amusing story “Industry experts claimed the UK risks being seen as a ”Banana republic” hahaha
Apr 20th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budget/8402612/Budget-2011-10bn-oil-industry-tax-grab-wipes-2bn-off-shares.html
@57. Taxing the oil industry more heavily is not the making of a banana-republic. Nationalisation of the oil companies on the other-hand is what banana-republics do! Haha
Apr 20th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fitch slams YPF expropriation* (* another word for theft).
Apr 20th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We do forsee increased regulations, uncertainty, GROWING DIPLOMATIC ISOLATION, and the potential continuation of unorthodox government policies. We expect this to curtail foreign direct investment in such sectors as energy, utilities and telecoms,” alerted Fitch.
@32 YES, YES, YES please - I would like to see Timerman as interim president too. I just love the Marx brothers - I'm sure Timerman is the missing link.
@57 xbarilon. You clearly do no not know the difference between taxing and stealing, do you/
Apr 20th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 048 GreekYoghurt
Apr 20th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you serious, really serious, about this psychotic unreconstructed Scottish communist, posing as a patriot?
you cant beat us by intimidation or slagging us off, we invented most of it, you are just childish amatures,
Apr 20th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the worls speaks english, because thats the way it is, [full stop]
you can only be loyal to one cause at a time, unless you are a turn coat,
you are either loyal to britain or not,
and that includes ALL who live in these islands,
we will finish with a short fact,
Argentina, [shame]
( 62 )
Apr 20th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0for 10 bottles beers sake.......
The Economist doesn't have same idea with you.
http://www.economist.com/node/21553069
Laughter..............Laughter..........EPTGU
and the point is,
Apr 20th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ten green bottles sitting on a wall,
and one falls,
does not change much does it .
@61 Well we live in a free society where people can acceptably have opinions that differ from my own. No one in the UK rules thought, although many would like to through their murdoch-poor-box. For example, I am a thiest, you're an athiest. I find athiests provide a very fresh view on my religion, because with objectivity you ask the questions that I wouldn't even think of, and you allow me to regularly question my faith. And we all know an unquestioned faith isn't a faith at all.
Apr 20th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The same is for political opinions, Wannabe-argtard asks the questions I don't think of, because I'm too close to my side of the argument. I see that as refreshing, and ultimately positive even if I don't agree with him.
#65 An unusually reasonable position from you and I'm happy to see it. I also value debate and see you and others in the same “devil's advocate” role in which you see me. One question though, as a theist (as am I, just one of many differences between me and the Leninist caricature people may want to paint me as), how can you call an entire nation of God's people “argtards” and say on another thread that its “probably a combination” of nature and nurture that makes them bad, ie that its partly due to racial inferiority. Such racism to me is incompatible with all the best religious traditions
Apr 21st, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@66 B_K,
Apr 21st, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Has GY out-trolled you?
Don't know what you mean exactly, but from my perspective he's always been the troll, and I'm the voice of sense =)
Apr 21st, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0how do you know they are GODs people,
Apr 21st, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0surley anyone who truly belived, would belive the islanders should be british, and left alone,
#69 All people are God's people
Apr 22nd, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@66 The big G-man gave us all free will, so the Argtards choose their future based upon what they believe to be 'right and good'. If there volitional choice leads them to become self-serving little toe-rags, then that's not as a result of anything I did.
Apr 22nd, 2012 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argtards are typically Catholic and as such the relationship between themselves and the Big-G is an intermediated by a man with an unnatural love for altar boys, who chooses whether they get forgiveness or not. These intermediates are then led by a man who allegedly used to parade around in jack boots in an organisation that called for Jews to be killed and deified an insecure austrian pscyhopath. Finally, if argies are really really bad, they get to buy away their sins, like Tony Blair, by paying millions of dollars for an indulgence, every week. Then they pray to Saints, who aren't God, in a festival of idolatry.
Setting an example for my life, what would the big J-man say about this utter Arg-nonsense? He'd probably ask the Big-G to forgive them for they know not what they do, and that's what I'm going to do. However, that doesn't mean I'm nonreligious and it also doesn't mean we should let them invade the Falklands.
Thiests may now attack my reasoning with unrelated quotes from the God Delusion. Ready...Ready...GO!
71 GreekYoghurt
Apr 22nd, 2012 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I take it that your final sentence was meant to start 'The atheists'?
As you know I am a convert from CofE to atheism, however I do use some of the teachings of Jesus to live my life by. I do not think he was the Son of God, because I do not believe there is a God, or Allah or whatever keeps you 'calm' and 'salves your worries'.
I do think he tried his best in what must have been an awful time to live, much worse even than now. The only missive I do not subscribe to is the 'turn the other cheek'.
Throughout my life I have learnt that I can always rely on myself, I do not miss a God.
Why is it at you feel so insecure that you have to attack me by quoting some book that I have never read?
[MY OPINION]
Apr 22nd, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is there a god /man upstairs or scientific evidence on evolution.
Evolution says we decent from the sea,
Up through the ages [amphibians]
Apes, to , homo sapion / modern man
OR
People of god, Jesus, sun god , ect ect,
People used to be sacrificed and killed [murdered] all in the name of some guy called, [god]
Modern man has disproved that bit , but as yet cannot prove or disprove if he exists
Every time a miracle happens it was the guy upstairs / rather than fate,
1, the bible of what we know as god/Jesus/john the baptise, ect, was made created at least 2-3 hundred years after the event,, by a group of men, [who decided what went in./and what was said,
2, would god or whoever sit back and watch the deaths ,,in pain and torture of millions of innocent children/women/men/
3, humans especially the clever and devious ones use religions as a tool to keep humans in line, and to kill for as an excuse,
4, sometimes used to keep people on the straight and narrow
5, sometimes it helps
6, eye am CofE, end of,
7, some people will believe, some will not,
8, I don’t like hypercrits, claim to be religious, then gamble/drink/smoke/commit crimes,
9, is it all true, [truly ive no idea]
But I keep an open mind, if to get to the purly gates and you are not alowed in, because you did not believe, [who then is the fool]
You die in hope, but there is nothing their, / who is the fool.
I just keep an open mind,
That’s my opinion, for all its worth, and no insults to anyone .
mmmm
@72 You're right. I meant Athiests, however, I didn't attack you, so no need to feel like a Arg-victim. I was simply referring to your lesser-spotted 'Militant Athiest', usually waving a Richard 'Dick' Dawkins mills-and-boon style novel, who upon finding out I'm religious (normally in a pub) decide to tell me their opinion on religion and then rant on and on and on and on about how Christians tell them what to think, and once they're bathed in enough hypocrisy, they then tell me that all Christians are hypocrites. The only way out is to punch them forcefully in the face, or just keep necking my beer until they leave to find someone else to ruin pub-time with their not-god bothering. Best to choose the latter.
Apr 22nd, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I converted to St John the Baptist style jumping about in the undergrowth with naught but a loin-cloth style of Christianity. It suits my lifestyle, and no need for TVs or Cars... it's all about the twigs and berries.
Can we get back to discussing YPF now?
#71 Are you by any chance a Protestant, and is your real name William from Glasgow?!
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0#72 Jesus was a socialist =)
#74 “Richard 'Dick' Dawkins” Well we agree on one thing =)
“I converted to St John the Baptist style jumping about in the undergrowth with naught but a loin-cloth style of Christianity. It suits my lifestyle, and no need for TVs or Cars... it's all about the twigs and berries”
So why all the snobbery about “poor” Spanish speakers?!
75 British_Kirchnerist
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 071-72-73-74 are entitled to their opinion, that all ok.
but ?????????????
@ BenC30
Apr 24th, 2012 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Nationalisation of the oil companies on the other-hand is what banana-republics do! Haha”
UK leads the chart of Banana Republics???
UK most popular nationalisation and expropriation deal made in England.
1868 Nationalisation of inland telegraphs
1875 Suez Canal Company
1912 Nationalisation of inland telephone services
1912 Nationalisation of Portsmouth telephone services
1912 Nationalisation of Hull telephone services
1912 Nationalisation of Guernsey telephone services
1912 Nationalisation of Jersey telephone services
1916 Nationalisation of Liquor Trade
1926 Natiolalisation of Grid The Electricity (Supply) Act 1926
1927 Natiolalisation of British Broadcasting Company
1933 Natiolalisation of London Transport
1938 Nationalisation of UK Coal
1939 Nationalisation of British Overseas Airways Corporation (British airways later)
1939 Take overof British industry and or subjected to State regulation or control.
1943 Nationalisation of North of Scotland Hydro-Electricity
1946 Nationalisation of Bank of England
1947 Nationalisation of Central Electricity Generating Board
1947 Nationalisation of Cable & Wireless Ltd.
1948 Nationalisation of British transportation system
1949 Nationalization of gas supply in England, Scotland and Wales
1951 Nationalization of Iron and Steel Industry
1967 Nationalization of British Steel
1969 Nationalization of Bus Company
1969 Nationalization of Postal service
1971 Nationalization of Rolls-Royce
1973 Nationalization of water supply in England and Wales
1973 British Gas plc
1974 Nationalisation of British Petroleum
1975 National Enterprise Board creation to take control of private industries
1976 Nationalization of British Leyland Motor Corporation
1977 British Aerospace.
1981 British Telecom
1984 Nationalisation of Johnson Matthey
1997 Nationalisation of Docklands Light Railway
2001 Railtrack
2008 Northern Rock
2008 Bradford & Bingley
2008 RBS
2009 National Express
Dunni-Burger
Apr 24th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations! You have reached heights of idiocy I never thought possible, even for you.
I cannot comment on the USA, only the UK, AND you have completely misunderstood what was going on with the likes of RBS, Northern Rock, even Rolls Royce, etc.
These companies were bankrupt due to the management (even Rolls Royce a long time ago). If it were not for the government buying the stock, albeit at the low price they went to but the shareholders had something instead of nothing, these companies would have failed completely. No jobs, no company!
In the case of Rolls Royce the new management turned it around, the government floated it to get the taxpayers money back, and the rest is history. Win - win situation.
The same thing is happening with the other businesses.
Compare that to Argentina anf YPF: poison the share price so it collapses, thieve the business by 'law' put a NumbNut and the Commie Homo (who got sacked from the flag carrier for the 2.1BU$D) in charge of it, find out they have missed a large section of the business (gas) and then accuse the company of ecological damage - all to get the business for nothing.
BTW have you started your 'new job' yet? I bet you haven't. You undeerstand as much about touch screen and blob techology as you do about 'Nationalisation without compensation' in the UK. And that is nothing.
#77 Viva Britania. Time for some more I think =) You left out the NHS though, which really is one of the very best things about this country, held in the esteem of a national religion by most people, which the Tory government are trying to wreck
Apr 24th, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0These companies were bankrupt due to the management (even Rolls Royce a long time ago). If it were not for the government buying the stock, albeit at the low price they went to but the shareholders had something instead of nothing, these companies would have failed completely. No jobs, no company!
Apr 24th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure chris,allways an excuse if it done by brittain.If the other do it,it sis wrong.
So it was ok for uk to quick the Argentinian in Malvinas,even considering you signed a treaty of commerce and friendship with Argenina,plus uk had strong political,cultural and economic links with Argentina.If Argentina do it it is wrong!
AHHAHHAHAHAHAAH
Just go back to th eNorth atlantic,before it is too late
“Not concerned”? Of course, CFK is acting as if stupidity were a virtue! Besides, with the son of a terrorist as a cabinet chief...they are all.....well... let's not go there!! Valkyrie anyone?
Apr 24th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 080 Malvinero1
Apr 24th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read the post again and then TRY to write English that we can all understand.
@80 Malvinero1,
Apr 24th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Were you born stupid or did you go to stupid classes?
Either way, you're very good at it!
My congratulations.
Can one say,,
Apr 24th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it not true that what the British nationalised was basically British companies,
And what CFK has effectively done was to nationalise a foreign company, is this correct mmm
@ ChrisR
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I cannot comment on the USA”
I add you cannot comment on USA, Britain, Argentina or Europe, why we don’t we save the work to type more words?
@ British_Kirchnerist
“You left out the NHS though” Yeahhhh! ha ha
“which the Tory government are trying to wreck”
So time to re nationalise “10 downing street” any hope mate? : )
@briton
Its not correct Mr. Briton because the ARG. govt still had shares in the company and 25% belongs to ARG group and YPF is not a foreign company repsol is, the Arg. govt didn’t expropriate repsol.
And for your records many Spanish companies don’t own anything in Arg.
Because the govt. licensed them or gave concessions for x years to exploit theses assets.
Examples Telefonica if the govt. refuses to give the renewal of the concession or they break the contract or the law, they have to pack and go home. TV channels, railways, Gas distribution, Electric grids, all still belongs to ARG taxpayers.
So now you tell me “Heathrow Airport” belongs to Spain now according with you or to the British people?
Waiting for you honest answer please...
honest answer replying,
Apr 25th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i have no idea who owns heathrow , you say, spain,
i dont think forienge countries should own some businneses
like airports or gas or electric or coal or nuclear power ect ect, but this is just my honest opinion,
[now according to you]] i know say nothing, just an opinion .
you have my reply,
briton .
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