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Washington Post suggests replacing Argentina with Chile at the G20
As has happened with other leading world opinion makers such as the Financial Times and The Wall Street Journal, that have condemned the seizure by the administration of President Cristina Fernandez of a majority share in the Spanish Repsol owned YPF, The Washington Post has also been extremely critical of the Argentine leader. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat a tissue of lies. Campora didn't cause a collapse, it was Lopez Vega and Isabel Peron, when the right took over, that precipitated the Dirty War and the Junta. I'm glad my Queen has treated the demands of the Washington Post and the rest of the western financial press with the contempt they deserved and moved to remedy the real problems of the country, ie moved left. The attack on Clarin isn't an attack on freedom of the press antmore than the Leveson Inquiry over here. I look forward to my Queen's no doubt fiery adress at the next G20 =)
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like a good idea to me.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0i wonder why the washington post didn't suggest removing the USA from the UN security council when they unilaterally decided to colonize iraq.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now this is amusing for me this morning. I wonder if my government would accept it in fear of upsetting relations between “La Casa Rosada” and “La Moneda”...
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also, I realize this is pure speculation, but it really is amusing.
What is clear however it that CFK will eventually be asked to vacate the G-20 table and that could be before the next meeting... “don't let the door hit you as you leave.”
Troneas: I think they did... or was it Bush's resignation... the paper leans to the center-left. (They broke the Watergate story and spearheaded the resignation of Nixon.)
The sooner the better.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The G20 needs the Mad Bitch and her delusions like a hole in the head: she just needs a hole in the head from a bullet.
While i don't condone the idea of a “bullet to the head” i Definately agree that this mad woman needs to go.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#5 You really are an evil bastard aren't you, you know full well that the CIA have committed just such assasinations in the past yet call for more killings. Unless you were just joking, in which case it was a bad and tasteless one
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How does Argentina get into the G20 when it's closer to 30th in terms of GDP and way lower in terms of GDP per capita? Chile is even lower in terms of total GDP but is 50% richer per person. Is this the reason or do they need to include another country from South America?
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't see the point of the G-20 - especially when you consider that Spain and the Netherlands aren't members and yet Argentina is.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess their membership relates to their huge natural resources rather than their ability to exploit them.
@7 Kirchner is an 'enemy national' trading on her 'immunity' as a head of a 'rogue' but, unfortunately, recognised state. All being well, the rest of the world will slowly come to recognise that she is a mendacious, profiteering gangster. Gradually, more countries are coming to recognise the reality. Chile does. Colombia does. Mexico is moving. The United States and Canada have indicated their real position. Spain and Europe are now anti-argie.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really liked a comment a few days ago that argieland had offset the Spanish block on bio-diesel by adding an extra 3% bio-diesel to their domestic fuel. Instead of selling something to someone else, you use it yourself. Anybody get it? Instead of selling a product at a profit, you sell it to your domestic consumer at an artificially-depressed price. Typical argie economics. Incompetent.
@8 Don't know. The stated criteria are GDP (nominal) and GDP (PPP). On the first argieland is 27th. On the second it is 21st. Argieland shouldn't be there. But I suppose she boohoo'd and someone stretched a point.
Of course Argentina is entitled to run its shop the way it wants. Disastrous policies, broken promises, treaties and lost friendships, The Muppets could do a better job than Kirchner and her government.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems eminently sensible that the membership of the G20 should be more labile,
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and that an economic-rogue nation within the G20 should be 'labiled-out' rapidly.
Less speculation, more action. Take out the trash, bring in the goodies. Get Chile onto the G20 and then just get on with it.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People need to stop talking, and start doing things.
7 Scottie_Kirchnerist
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am a realist and that would be a quick way to finish the Kircherist off, hopefully.
The CIA were incompetent most of the time, that was their problem.
My parents were married and I am a person who does not lie, like a lot of the posters here of your ilk. But I AM someone who DOES NOT turn the other cheek.
Happy now? :o)
What a crackin article and agree..boot out botox queen....what a great day RG's out of the G20 shame its only an article an not a real plan, bet they have talked about it though...jajaja
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice sash, Miss Buenos Aires - looks hairy enough!
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 I turn the other cheek, the other bum-cheek.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is, no one need do anything about argentina, just take them to court in the right places, and just do what's right and honorable and at some point the argies are going to implode.
No need to get emotional about imbeciles, otherwise you'd be constantly emotional.
G20 is as broke as EU is, if the WTO and IMF don't wake up from trashing the only growing economies in this continent, the whole world will be in a much much worst recession, when the high cost of oil, soy and biofuel start hitting the EU and g20 market, production and distribution will get much much cheaper in argentina, but the rest of the world will be stuck behind a economic barricade build to keep Argentina out making their own cost of living unbearable, but we Argentines will like to take the wait and see attitude.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pirat -Hunter, Argentina's wounds are completely self inflicted.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina could only adopt reasonable and rational policies and stop with these crazy actions it could go much further.
I'm absolutely certain CFK has completely lost the plot with the recent actions and I'd be willing to guarantee Argentina will look back on this in 10-20 years as very dark times with Argentina's economy failing and it becoming isolated from the international community.
This is Argentina regressing to a painful place in the past everyone had thought it had left behind.
“Washington Post suggests replacing Argentina with Chile at the G20”
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i can go one better can Argenvina be replaced with a decolonized country giving back the land that was stolen from the indigenous tribes that suffered mass genocide at the hands of the Spanish.
action speaks louder that words,
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why not wait and see, [argentina being removed]
#21 to investors money speaks louder not actions and Washington Post will print anything for a price, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was printed in the classifieds add next to the peronals.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Sunday, April 22nd 2012 - 23:42 UTC
Argentina February economic activity expands 5.2%, but surprises ahead for industry
Argentina's economy grew at an annual rate of 5.2% in February according to the country’s stats office Indec monthly economic activity report Emae, reflecting good performances in construction and manufacturing. But prospects for the industrial sector could have some surprises.
The Emae indicator rose 0.3% in seasonally adjusted terms from January, Indec added.”
Www.en.mercopress.com/2012/04/22/argentina-february-economic-activity-expands-5.2-but-surprises-ahead-for-industry
true maybe,
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but untill someone somewhere event tries to do something, CFK will carry on as normal,
@22
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stats from INDEC - nice one! chortle, chortle.
Argentina should be booted out and replaced at the G20 by the Falklands.
Chile shouldn't be invited to join the G20. The GDP is only $272 billion, but the worst thing is that all the commies would demand the state make everything free. It would cause so much drama,it's just not worth it.
Apr 23rd, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#25
Apr 24th, 2012 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, but the Warmonger Post is interested in ideology. If Brazil was a Communist country in 1994, it would demand its World Cup trophy be transfered to a nice US-sppeaser like Colombia.
Nationalisation without compensation made by Uncle SAM
Apr 24th, 2012 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0* 1862: The Legal Tender Act monetary system.
* 1863: banking system.
* 1917: All U.S. railroads .
* 1939: Tennessee Electric Power Company.
* 1971: The National Railroad (Amtrak).
*1976: Rail Corporation (Conrail)
* 1980s: Savings & Loans.
* 2001: Private airport.
* 2008: Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation and Federal National Mortgage Association.
*2008 Fannie Mae
*2008 Freddie Mac
*2009: Citigroup
*2009 GM (General Motors).
BY Mohammeds Kingdom
1868 inland telegraphs
1875 Suez Canal
1912 inland telephone services
1912 Portsmouth telephone services
1912 Hull telephone services
1912 Guernsey telephone services
1912 Jersey telephone services
1916 Liquor Trade
1926 Grid The Electricity (Supply) Act 1926
1927 British Broadcasting Company
1933 London Transport
1938 UK Coal
1939 British Overseas Airways Corporation (British airways later)
1939 Take overBritish industry and or subjected to State regulation or control.
1943 North of Scotland Hydro-Electricity
1946 Bank of England
1947 Central Electricity Generating Board
1947 Cable & Wireless Ltd.
1948 British transportation system
1949 gas supply in England, Scotland and Wales
1951 Iron and Steel Industry
1967 British Steel
1969 Bus Company
1969 Postal service
1971 Rolls-Royce
1973 water supply in England and Wales
1973 British Gas plc
1974 British Petroleum
1975 National Enterprise Board creation to take control of private industries
1976 British Leyland Motor Corporation
1977 British Aerospace.
1981 British Telecom
1984 Johnson Matthey
1997 Docklands Light Railway
2001 Railtrack
2008 Northern Rock
2008 Bradford & Bingley
2008 RBS
2009 National Express
Now should we comment over crappy articles like this and hypocrite post made by hypo-liers? Umm may be because I personally have a lot of fun.
Dany #27
Apr 24th, 2012 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0How many of those in your list were 'foreign companies' nationalised by a 'home country'?
You do understand the link between socialism and nationalisation, don't you?
Or the need for a government in the middle of a (world) financial crisis to protect jobs in a company going tits-up by ploughing taxpayers cash into it and stabilising its share-valuations?
Or a nation's imperative to bring together elements of (eg) a disparate rag-bag of private transport systems across a nation in order to produce an optimum nationally-integrated system?
I think you've missed the central point of the argument.
Hurrah for The Washington Post!
Apr 24th, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
I see that Islamaphobia is as prevalent as Anglophobia in Argentina. Nice bunch of people.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 027 Dunni-Burger
Apr 24th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations! You have reached heights of idiocy I never thought possible, even for you.
I cannot comment on the USA, only the UK, AND you have completely misunderstood what was going on with the likes of RBS, Northern Rock, even Rolls Royce, etc.
These companies were banrupt due to the management (even Rolls Royce a long time ago). If it were not for the government buying the stock, albeit at the low price they went to but the shareholders had something instead of nothing, these companies would have failed completely. No jobs, no company!
In the case of Rolls Royce the new management turned it around, the government floated it to get the taxpayers money back, and the rest is history. Win - win situation.
The same thing is happening with the other businesses.
Compare that to Argentina anf YPF: poison the share price so it collapses, thieve the business by 'law' put a NumbNut and the Commie Homo (who got sacked from the flag carrier for the 2.1BU$D) in charge of it, find out they have missed a large section of the business (gas) and then accuse the company of ecological damage - all to get the business for nothing.
BTW have you started your 'new job' yet? I bet you haven't. You undeerstand as much about touch screen and blob techology as you do about 'Nationalisation without compensation' in the UK. And that is nothing.
#30 Whereas I'm sure its completely absent from the Argiephobic commenters here, I could tell that from their reaction to Galloway's win lol!
Apr 24th, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Galloway is your hero then you have significant mental health problems. “Would you like me to be the pussy cat?”
Apr 24th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't say he was my hero (though he definately is heroic), just mentioned the Islamophobic comments against his win to puncture #30's crowing about how “Islamophobic” the Argies are. And just for the record I didn't like Danny's “Muhammed's Kingdom” description of my country either, I don't have a problem with the immigrant community here. But Danny's list of British nationalisations, on the other hand, is very instructive....Viva Britania =)
Apr 24th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34
Apr 24th, 2012 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Must have taken him hours of research. Pity he can not grasp the difference between Nationalisation and expropriation.
If Argentina had developed like Canada or Australia and became British-ruled just like them, with a population of largely British/Irish descent just like Canada/Australia, both Chile and Argentina would be members of the G20 (er, G21). And Argentina wouldn't be making the stupid choices it has made recently in real life, and it would be among the top developed countries anywhere - on par with North America, Western Europe, Japan/South Korea, Australia, etc.!!!
Apr 24th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#36 Thats the very Anglo South Korea and Japan, and Western Europe including Anglo Spain and Italy which have nothing to do with Argentina =) Sorry your racial theories are junk
Apr 24th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#37: I'm not being racist at all, and I'm not saying that all developed countries in the world today are Anglo-Saxon. It's just that certain types of countries have been more ripe for economic development than others. For example, most Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking countries with significant white populations have at least historically had poor economic and political development records, while most anglophone countries with significant white populations have been quite successful. With Argentina, in real life, its demographic motherland has been Spain/Italy while the source of a lot of its foreign investment has historically been Britain. With Canada or Australia, by contrast, both the demographic and financial motherlands have been Britain; that meant that immigrants integrated themselves better into the local politics right away than Argentina did. If Argentina had become British, it would be more like Canada or Australia than real-life Argentina.
Apr 24th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you have a point,
Apr 24th, 2012 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 I think this is spot. One theory is that the Anglophone countries encouraged small land holdings and entrepreneurial endeavours whereas he Latin empires encouraged wholesale pillage of local wealth and maintained a very top-heavy, elite of wealthy citizens and a suppressed, poor minority. Nothing seems to have changed way down south at all. I have a number of Argentine friends who jokingly lament not being settled by the British. Name one Latin, Italian, Spanish or Portuguese country or former satellite that has not lapsed into dictatorship or economic chaos in the last 50 years.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0#40: Right, exactly!!!
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@GeoffWard2
Apr 25th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I think you've missed the central point of the argument”
Mr. Geoff I’m not missing anything, first you make you statement from false assumptions and miss information.
First YPF is a mix company where the ARG. got still have shares, second part of the ownership in on hands of Arg. Group. And many of the “privatised companies” as some ones call doesn’t include the assets because they were given under licences for x years or with clause that if the operator breaks any law or the operator cannot renew the licence if finish and all return to the state.
I will give the same example that I gave to Briton and I expect to receive an honest answer from you.
1- “Heathrow Airport” now belongs to the Kingdom of Spain? Because the Spanish pay a cannon to exploit Brits airports in UK.
2- BAE is a British or Italian/American company according with you? because the owners of the funds that hold the shares are from that origin.
3- “Harrods” is a British or Qatar asset according with you?
4- If I an Argentinean buys shares of Shell that will turn the company into a Argie asset?
Because if you think like this I can tell you that the only asset that may be still belong to Britain is Buckingham palace if the Tories will not turn it into a PLC or ltd.
The law and life is not like this any country in the world has the legal right to size whatever they want belonging to own citizens or foreigners. You have a vast experience on this just see the list.
I just count 3 nationalisation made by Argentina, while UK has 39.
@Now for all British experts in economy.
Britain owns to Asia, Middle East & co 10 trillions dollars this is the size of its external debt.
Now is in financial trouble, stagnation, unemployment, going into recession again, cuts in public service, etc, etc.
This is your idea of good economy for whom? Any answer please?
Bloody 'ell mates I would be very scary if I would be you. And you are concern because CFK kick the Spanish? ha ha
42 DanyBerger // that I gave to Briton and I expect to receive an honest answer from you.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that was on another blog, and a answer awaits you .
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