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Falklands’ lawmaker rejects Argentine proposal for direct air-link with Buenos Aires
Falkland Islands lawmaker Sharon Halford rejected the Argentine proposal of direct flights from Buenos Aires to the Islands saying that “they are not needed” and expressed surprise at the double standard of President Cristina Fernandez administration. Read full article
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Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obvious response to obvious attempt to make the Falkland Islands dependent on Argentina is, surprisingly, obvious.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know, but the idea proposed by Argentina seemed so sincere. The Falklanders perhaps should have considered giving CFK another chance to show that she only has the islander's best interests at heart. As noted earlier, it was noted in the media that Alicia Castro, Ambassador to the United Kingdom in the post meeting conference, also mentioned that current plans of Aerolineas Argentinas would include a connecting non-stop flight from Buenos Aries to London via a new proposed fleet of Tupovev 404 jumbo airliners to facilitate easier and timely access for passengers originating and arriving at Mount Pleasant. The changeover to an exclusive Tupolev fleet for Aerolineas Argentinas is part of the current government’s strategy to offset trade swap in goods instead of depending on obtaining international credit allowing for a complete modernization of the fleet. The proposed TU154 connecting with the forth coming TU404 service would prove that Argentina is committed to its territorial inhabitants best needs and remains serious about its promises for a peaceful solution with an opportunity to improve communications and the quality of life to the Islanders. Sounded like a wonderful plan.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chicureo are you completely insane?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She has done nothing but attack the UK and the people of the Falkland's islands for several years and now you believe she sincerely wants to be friends?
The chances of her doing this for the people of the Falkland's islands are about the same as me winning the lottery 10 weeks in a row!
The people of the Falkland's islands did the only logical thing and told her to take a running jump.
@3 You're an imbecile, and you're incapable of empathy. No one wants to fly with Aerolingus Argentinas, because their fleet is inappropriately old. You just celebrated a war you lost and demanded the islands be back under your control. So who the hell wants to negotiate anything with you? Argentina is being peaceful? Improve quality of life by falling into an obvious trap?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They're not your “territorial inhabitants”. Do you have a mental problem?
I think most Falkland Islanders would Boycot such a flight. I would certainly not use it. Especially given that we have perfectly good direct links to the UK and to Chile. The last thing Falklanders should do is give that Stupid KFC Bitch even a toehold, because she and her government could not be trusted not to misuse it. Lets see some recognition, some free trade, some good will and prove a determination to wish to live in harmony (say 10 -20 years or so) then perhaps Falklanders might begin to trust a bit.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about CFK lifts the Falkland's flag restrictions and then we will talk.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Until then she can find the rock she came from under and crawl back under it.
@6 For one thing, it's not going to be flying into a currently active British military base when the Argtards are making belligerent claims to colonise the islands through not-peaceful means. Secondly, there are massive safety issues associated with the airline.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All this is just crazy talk.
@3, to me it sound a prime opportunity for Argentina to pack a plane full of special forces, we don't negotiate with terrorists.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0offering something while taking away other things
compete mixed messages
Dont trust Argentina they shoot them selfs in the foot think how much they worry about everyone else
That´s the obvious answer for a proposal that is a clear trap in an airline that even the argentines don´t wanna use.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Commandment 11: Never trust an argtard.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would wear rather thin very quickly a battalion of troops, equipment and the SAS waiting for each incoming plane from Argentina since Argentina has proven itself beyond a shadow of a doubt not trust-able at every level from diplomatically to politically and military antics.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't do what Argentina has done recently and expect any country to trust you.
This is the price you pay for your actions.
I think the tardis would be a better form of transportation. What do you reckon Chucereo? Do you think Aerolineas could pick up a few Tardises at the same time as it buys it's exclusive Tupolev fleet?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It sounds like a genuine proposal to me and I think we should accept it. After all, Argentina really does mean well I believe. CFK is not a stupid woman.
Funny the decision to buy Tupolevs. I thought they were about to buy a fleet of 737s under a very similar deal. It must be good to have options.
Sarcasm radar seems to be malfunctioning around here.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Commandment 11: Never trust an argtard
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0commandment zero: Never trust a brit!
Who cares Malv? We don't really care what you think, its irrelevant.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We hold all of the aces and have all of the power so your opinion is less than worthless.
14 Tobias
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get out of here with talk of sarcasm. This is a serious story we are commenting on. The Argentine Gov't has made a sincere and generous offer and I think we should give it an equally sincere and thoughtful response.
I won't hear you suggest that there is any place for sarcasm here. OK? I know you believe the current inhabitants have the right to belong inthe Falklands and I thank you for that but please take this story of the AA offer seriously.
@15 there isn't a commandment zero... besides, British people are very trustworthy.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 the main issue will be getting Argtards to give their passports to passport control without them demanding it to be a colony of Argtardia.
why is it the UK hasnt inform you yet in the correct way???
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean, there are faxs, mails, internet, etc nowadays.
@19 Because the UK could simply say they have security and safety concerns based upon the Argtards not knowing where the Falklands are, and the Falkland islanders not knowing where 'Puerto Argentino' is.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You cannot ask to land in a place that doesn't exist.
“we have not received any formal proposal and until the UK does not inform us on the matter, this is not going to happen”
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Malen?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would anyone in their right mind support this?
It's akin to supporting a gambler in remission who is desperate for money and is given a 100% certainty on a win.
Essentially its diplomatic suicide.
And nothing......you dont have good channels of communication
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im not saying nothing about the plane.
have you the number of the foreign office???
In the same way that arg. should look about the decitions that it took, respecting the so called blockade, the assembly from the islands, and the u. k should look too, and review the rejection of the resolutions from the u. n that call the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution. It's very easy to play the victime, with out making any critic about their owm behaviour. Anyway politicians will always tell what is convenient for them only, that's why i will always insist with the fact that we dont have to buy easily their mediocre and hipocrite analysis.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aerolineas argentinas is a good airline, it improved a lot since it was nationalized, anyway i know that some ignorant people who type here everyday, and who don't know anything about argentina or about our airline, will start to insult me because i deffend our airline. I think that the islanders lawmakers are taking a wrong decition, they should think about it deeply, if they dont try to negotiate with our government about the this proposal, they can say no so fast, perhaps many people will want to travel to the islands if there are direct flies.
Malen how about respecting the Falkland's flag before moving any further.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want peace, dignity and respect you'll recognise the Falkland's flag, otherwise take a running jump.
@13JB
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Old technology. I hear Brazil are negotiating with star fleet command to obtain two transporters. AA will now be hoping the technology will be passed on to them. I can just see it now: Scene, KFC standing on the bridge of the presidential palace wearing the uniform of a star fleet captain. Turns to ensign Timmerman sat at control panel in front of her. Camera pans to capture her commanding countenance.
KFC “Ensign Timmerman, set coordinates for Puorto Argentino.”
Timmerman ”Aye cap'n (scots accent) coordinates set.“
KFC ”Energize”
Shimmering light, sound affecst. KFC disappears up her own backside.
Okay, I know it's fiction. smoke and mirrors, but so is her latest gesture of friendliness and concern towards the Iskanders.
you dont understand me, Im not talking one word about the flights, about your decissions, its just this woman needs to make some talks if you have phones on those isles to know better what she is talking about.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Personally my answer to the proposal is negative, because we have very adequate flights to and from the Islands.”
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have a feeling this won't last for very long, Ms. Halford.
@23 “you dont have good channels of communication”, are you talking about when timmerwoman lied and said he hadn't read the EU letter? No, that's Argtardians telling lies, which they do a lot.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 we didn't reject resolutions. Nestor rejected negotiations in 2005 when he decided that Argtardia didn't need negotiations. If you have an issue with lack of negotiations, then take it up with Nestor.
“Aerolineas argentinas is a good airline” ... now that's just a barefaced lie.
At first glance, the Argentine government’s proposal seems perhaps unorthodox, but several factors are behind it. As many normal avenues for credit are now effectively blocked due to debt defaults, Argentina has resorted to a commodity barter agreement with the Russian Federation. The National Flag carrier, Aerolineas Argentinas, would be acquiring an entire new (and/or reconditioned) fleet to service their destinations, including Mount Pleasant.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the Falklands, specifically three Tupolev 154 modern jet aircraft with a cruising speed of 975 kilometres per hour (606 mph), the Tu-154 is one of the fastest civilian aircraft in operation and has a range of 5,280 kilometres (3,280 mi). Capable of operating from unpaved and gravel airfields, it was widely used in extreme Arctic conditions where other airliners were unable to operate and where service facilities were very basic. “Its proven track record is why it was selected for the Malvinas service.”
Reality Check, please help me out.
Malen, why would anyone want to talk with an aggressor?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina picked a fight with the UK and the Falklander's when it started its ridiculous and childish actions and now it will get one.
Argentina needs to keep learning its going to suffer by trying to bully the people of the Falkland's islands, its lost many times in the past and will lose many times in the future to a considerably stronger country.
CFK's actions have consequences and its about time they were driven home, the UK has ignored Argentina for too long, now is the time for retaliation.
You want a fight, you've got one.
”The National Flag carrier, Aerolineas Argentinas, would be acquiring an entire new (and/or reconditioned) fleet to service their destinations, including Mount Pleasant.” Reality Check 1: Mount Pleasant isn't in the Nation of Argtardia, so it's fleet won't be servicing it as a destination.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Its proven track record is why it was selected for the Malvinas service.” Reality Check 2: There is no such place as the 'Malvinas' so where precisely is the North Korean style plane going to fly to? Puerto 'doesn't exist' Argentino?
@30. Chicureo
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry mate, your on your own. You lost me when you started using big words, like unorthodox and putting them togrther, like commodity barter. Anyway, the pennies bound to drop soon.
@31. Now, now. Don't forget the Lan Chile flight flies over Argentinean airspace.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What fight are you talking about? Argentina can cancel that flight as easily as it has confiscated YPF.
the lady says: Furthermore “we have not received any formal proposal and until the UK does not inform us on the matter, this is not going to happen”.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when I say you need to call foreign office, im refering to UK foreign office that didnt inform you of arg proposal.
Facts gentlemen,
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you remember the scorpion trying to cross the river on the back of the fox,
I think that’s right,
The point is, it is in there nature,
The islanders cannot stop Argentina from starting up the service, they cannot stop the planes taking of from Argentina, that is Argentina free choice,
But they can refuse the planes into Falkland’s air space, and refuse them landing rights, and they can, even ask to RAF to intercept them as intruders,
[Am I not correct?]
CFK cannot force the islanders to except or do anything they have no wish to do,
They have used the stick, but had no effect, now CFK realises that this is getting her nowhere, she now uses the carrot,, just to show how democratic she is,
But what happens if the carrot does not work,
Sadly some Argies on here, just refuse to except that the islanders have a free choice to decide what they wish to do, without threat or hindrance
CFK and all of her bloggers should just leave the islanders alone,,to live in peace.
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@35 I don't get the point. You post a proposal to the wrong people, and then you expect people to suddenly do things? If you wanted speed, you should have addressed your proposal to the FIG, but you didn't.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I send a birthday card to my neighbour, but address it to the guy living downstairs, then what should I expect?
@34 - if Argentina wishes to cancel the flight, no problem other flights can easily be bought in. If you hadn't of noticed the UK has a backup plan so cancelling the flight essentially will no equal zero impact.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is yet just another ridiculous Argentine insult masquerading as something else...
KFC performs with confidence, as in confidence trickster. That all this is a confidence trick.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0badyogur let me tell you sth, isnt that you depend on defence and foreign office of UK??
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we have addressed it well, its UK that hides the proposal to you.....or hasnt addressed it well to you.
@38. Either flights from where? From London? Ascension? Indeed! It will such a commercial success that British Airways will get one of their 747s for a daily fight to and from the islands!
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Okay, time for a joke about Argtards...
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Q. How many Argtards does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. Three, one to tell lies about changing the lightbulb, one to steal the lightbulb from next door saying they owned it in 1830s and one to do whatever the chinese tell him to do.
It doesn't need to be a commercial success per se, the UK has previously said it will fund the flight and it will be peanuts out of the budget.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Essentially its no problem either way.
@43. Im sure the British taxpayer will be delighted when its splashed over the Daily Mirror.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42 How do they know the light bulb is working when they probably can't afford electricity?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you bother to read government reports on things you will notice that they have been quietly waiting for the airport on st Helens to be finished,
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That you will not only have a proper link to the Falklands, but also a stopover break to flights to south Africa, and this would be a quicker and faster rout than crossing over mainland Africa.
So please, perhaps CFK read this also, and has realised that when it opens, they can shut shop and soddy of,
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@46. The airport on St. Helens has a military purpose. In their paranoid delusions, they think it will compensate for their lack of aircraft carrier should Argentina invade the islands.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A commercial air links is just daft. You've got what? 8 hours flight to South Africa? 14 or so to London? (and i think I'm being generous). For how many people who might want to make a weekly flight?
Get real people. You'll end up like Tuvalu fishing in canoes. London might come up with a very exotic plan for you but once the public reads how ludicrous it is and what its costs not only to “defend” you people but to extravagantly ship you to London at their expense they'll let you know.
@47 how many aircraft carriers or even just military aircraft does imperial Argentina have at the moment?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47. None. But Argentina is not planning on invading anyone.
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if it was a free flight it's a BIG NO from me, just pee off you crazy plastic lady, leave us alone, we do not need your shitty AA link..............she must have a short term memory loss all the bullying she has inflicted on us in the past months...................hope she and all the bullies in the world burn in hell...................cos I would not even piss on her if she was on fire :-)
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49 then why bring up the fact that the uk wont have carrier capability for a few years in the first place then?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you ask me? I'm the public. I've paid taxes for forty years, never been unemployed. Every single penny of taxes spent on the Falklands has been worth it. Cheap at half the price. When are you people going to get it. Somethings are not valued in monetary terms andfreedom is the greatest of them. We'll pay to defend the islands till hell freezes over. Answer your question?
@51. Because that is the reason why they are building the airport at St. Helena. Did you even read my post?
Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct about it being for military purposes but you and I both know that's not the part I was commenting on ''did you even read my post?''
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0A few points of clarification: Today’s new technology that is based on proven aviation experience, has placed the latest offerings from the Russian Federation as serious rivals to Airbus and Boeing. Granted the TU154 has a long history, but please remember that the Boeing 737 was first designed in the 1960’s and remains an important part of their offering to the market.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0For years, due to negative propaganda, the Russian safety record has been distorted, yet when you look at statistics, the greatest loss of casualties has been from Boeing and Airbus!
As stated earlier, as normal credit channels for such a costly acquisition seemed impossible to facilitate, the government directly negotiated with the Russian Federation with an offset trade swap for commodities.
I think it’s important to reflect upon the sincere goals stated by the Argentinean foreign ministry yesterday: “The Mount Pleasant service connecting with the forth coming wide body service to London will prove that Argentina is committed to its Malvinas territorial inhabitants best needs and remains serious about its promises for a peaceful solution with an opportunity to improve communications and the quality of life to the Islanders.”
#5 Just saw this today, AA is actually one of the safes airlines in the world with no fatalities since 1970, all your talk of “plummet airlines” and the like simply proves your own mendacity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerol%C3%ADneas_Argentinas_accidents_and_incidents and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerol%C3%ADneas_Argentinas_accidents_and_incidents
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0#13 A good thoughtful response, so called supporters of the islanders should listen to you
#11 Eighth Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Steal
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@57 yes tell that to whats left of the indigenous south american people!
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Axel and a few others. You miss a BIG oint- for any Arg plane to fly to the Islands it has to negotiate landing permission, satisfy over aircraft operational status, insurance etc- ALL has to be negotiated and agreed DIRECTLY with Falkland Islads Govt dept of Civil Aviation.- NOT UK Dept of Civil Aviation
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0That means that airline or aircraft owner effectively recognises the existence of the Falkland Islands Govt and its right to control these issues. Somehow a little thing tells me that AA - a state owned airline could never do that for so long as the sovereignty claim is maintained as the Arg Govt says we do not exist
@56. Goes to show at what length some posters here are prepared to go to make a fool out of themselves. Anything goes as long as they can bash Argentina. Doesn't matter if it isn't accurate or even truth.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0“lawmaker Sharon Halford rejected the Argentine proposal of direct flights from Buenos Aires to the Islands ”
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did anybody ask her? The request was made to the British Gov.
#56 Thank for the support about AA's safety record. The new Tupolev 404 design has been heralded the new leader in advanced safety air design. When the TU404
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0begins service, AA will take its rightful position as one of the best and safest airlines in the world.
#62 Tupolev 404?????
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0#63 The TU404 best symbolizes the grand promised that are being proposed by CFK's government to assure Islanders of a solid program to do what is their best interests.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0#64 why TU 404 an aircraft that only exist on paper, any prototype currently flying. “grand promised” LOL
Apr 26th, 2012 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chicureo:
Apr 26th, 2012 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really your various comments are superb. Es Ud. unn hermano andino!!!
@64 once again we see this high and mighty attitude being shown from across the way “what is in your best interests” - we, the Falkland Islanders are a people and it will be us who say what is in our best interests not some foreign government who is doing their level best to economically throttle us (with absolutely no success).
Apr 26th, 2012 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 056 & 52 - who gives a stuff what planes the RG Luftwaffe use and what the safety record is, its never going to happen...its just the reichmistress with a new clever (although all within minutes have worked out the real reason) ruse. Man you guys. Now Trolls await your next orders on which topic to blanket post on. Trolls............trolls fall out (not out of airplanes that would be barbaric)
Apr 26th, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chicureo - I think your subtle humour and irony is going right over the heads of a lot of readers here !!!
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0For those of you who have missed the point - when Chicureo says “The TU404 best symbolizes the grand promised that are being proposed by CFK's government to assure Islanders of a solid program to do what is their best interests” you might like to note that the Tupolev 404 was a paper concept from the early 90s for a 1200 seater long range aircraft that never came to reality and is never likely to - very like CFK's proposals........
@69 I could detect the sarcasm, don't worry. The chinese banned the TU404 if I recall because they kept coming out of the sky. The only remaining people using them for non-military purposes are pretty much north Korea if I recall. Seeing their planes on the runway doesn't make you feel great.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0One has to return fire and try to get Chicureo into a frenzy though. It's only fair.
British Kirchnerist : AA's safety record has been exemplary SO FAR.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is now controlled by Cristina's son , who knows as much about aviation as she does about applied nuclear physics , in other words SFA.
They are having to pay for fuel in cash abroad , so there is a liquidity problem.
Maintenance may suffer .Fly AA at your peril
l. personally will NEVER use any Argentine airline on principle.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't care how cheap it is or how safe or even how good the service is.
Jam your airline you know where.
I always prefer/use balloon for my long range international journey !
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Laughter......Laughter.....BLTRW
@55
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I also read Argentine proposal to acquire these new planes. It is said that they will fit with everything on the planes as it would have in the early 1980s, they will be the world first 'retro' style planes, surely they will popular
@73TT : That is because you are type of balloon yourself : a “ forro ”
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland Islands Government to CFK, re: your offer - 'Stick it up your JUNTA!' LOL
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is just foolish talk from CFKC. AA cannot afford to run three flights per weeks to The Falklands. They are losing $2m per day.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@77 ElaineB
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0On landing the Captain goes round with his hat. Which in compliance with company instructions, is three sizes to big for him. The Co pilot, engineer and cabin staff take their cut. The remaining 10 pesos are sent to KFC in BA, for some unknown reason there never seems to be any US dollars or Euros in the collection..
Fantasy, I know, but the mental picture amuses me. In fact, almost as much as this latest offer they've come up with does.
Dear Sir,
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can I please express my lack of interest in using 'Aerolingus Maximo Argentinas' as I would rather fly indirectly using modern LAN planes than ever set my foot onto one of your planes, which every bone in my body is telling me not to do.
Kind regards,
Ronald.
P.S. What happened to the $2.3 Billion that was given to Maximo to update your fleet of planes?
Falkland Island lawmaker Sharon Halford has spoken, and this subject is now closed. Thank you,
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Beijing, April 24 (PRCNA) – Luigi Gatti, Argentine Special Representative Liaison to the People’s Republic of China, met and had a talk in a friendly atmosphere with Vice-President Li Wuwei, vice-chairman of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Committe.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The head of the delegation offered warm congratulations to President Cristina Fernandez on her successful repatriation of YPF holdings back under rightful control of the Argentine people.
Noting that the Chinese people recollect with deep emotion the efforts made by leader Cristina Fernandez for the strengthening and development of Sino-Argentine friendship, he added that the bilateral friendship is developing as the days go by under the deep care of the supreme leaders of the two parties and the two countries. In the agreement announced, China acknowledges that the Malvinas rightfully belong to the Argentine people. The Argentinean minister present reiterated the strong fraternal alliance with China and mentioned that both the island of Formosa as well as the Tibetan regions rightfully are an undeniable part of the People’s Republic of China. He further mentioned that the Dali Llama was not welcome in Argentina and would not be granted a visa. He wished the Argentine people greater successes in the building of a thriving nation, united close behind the spirit of Justicialismo headed by President Fernandez. He expressed the will to join the Argentine and Chinese comrades together in making positive efforts to boost the friendly ties between two countries.
@80 It's not closed. The Argtards wrote to the wrong people and so the subject isn't even open. She's just one elected official, who has her opinion. The other elected officials will have other opinions. They don't work like in Argtardia, where everyone has the same opinion as Darth Sidious.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 042 GreekYoghurt
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0But did the lightbulb need changing in the first place?
I am loving all this bemused rage that is greeting KFC's “Grand gesture”. KFC has really shot herself in the foot with this one, too little too late and oh by the way, Everyone trusts KFC about as far as they can spit her.
@83 - I trust CFK....................
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0..........................about as far as I could throw the Earth and Moon. :o)
China Plans Shale-Gas Investment in Argentina
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By Aibing Guo - Apr 26, 2012 5:36 AM AT
China, holder of the world’s biggest shale-gas reserves, plans to speed up exploration of the resource by jointly developing the newly nationalized YPF company recently nationalized by Argentina. Jointly developing the Argentina reserves will be spearheaded by PetroChina Co. which plans to invest three times the minimum amount earlier requested by the Argentine government.
The new proposed YPF management team is tentatively planning to propose seizing fields from other companies that fail to invest at least 30,000 yuan ($4,747) per square kilometer annually, Zhang Jianfeng, a director at the companie’s research institute, said in an interview today. Explorers will have three years to meet the requirement, he said.
Argentina holds 25.08 trillion cubic meters of exploitable reserves of the unconventional fuel trapped in shale rock, the company said, citing a nationwide survey. The Argentine government has pledged to prioritize land approvals, allow tax- free equipment imports and offer subsidies to explorers.
The policy “will certainly prevent companies from sitting on acreage,” Neil Beveridge, a Hong Kong-based analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Co., said in an e-mail.
The proposed rules will be similar to those for conventional oil and gas exploration, where the minimum annual investment requirement is set at 10,000 yuan per square kilometer, Zhang said in Beijing, while attending a two-day Shale Gas Summit organized by Centre for Management Technology.
More than 100 Chinese companies have qualified to participate in Argentina’s second auction of shale exploration area, which will likely be held before July, the official said. The Argentine government will offer at least 20 areas, he said.
To contact the reporter on this story: Aibing Guo in Hong Kong at aguo10@bloomberg.net
@40 malen (#)
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apr 25th, 2012 - 11:12 pm
So do the sensible thing. Write the letter of proposal again and this time address it to the correct recipient. The FIG.
....... And you think we have communication problems.
LEPRecon
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There was a poster on here from a Uruguayan who justified Argentinian claims by saying they left a plaque on the Islands. That and other equally silly things.
I said that following the precedence, in 1969 the US left a plaque on the moon. Legally the moon should therefore be considered the 53rd state of the United States of America.
I'm not sure America would appreciate an un announced diplomatic visit from KFC.
@83 She must have bloody sore feet now, seems to shoot a couple of times a week.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@87 - I believe the British left a plaque 1st in 1776, so therefore it trumps any plaque left by the Spanish, the Argentinians left nothing behind, cause they'd never set foot on the islands until their illegal penal colony in 1833.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, we all know that the RGs refuse to accept any history from before 1833, and just ignore or alter any that doesn't fit in with their world view since.
The RGs are fast becoming a desperate people, whose only choice is getting into bed with the Chinese are economic isolation. They would rather this than admit that their governments economic policies are wrong.
Soon Argentina will be just another province of the People's Republic of China. However, at least they'll be better managed by the Chinese than the current bunch of muppets in power. ;-)
@88 Knowing the chinese love for corruption, I can only guess at the size of the pay-off included in this deal. So, that money is likely to be making her feet feel a little better.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly for the Argtards, their oil has been gifted to the chinese.
meanwhile back on blogg,
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the answer is no
ISLANDER1. GREEK YOGHURT.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ISLANDER: You are making the same distortion that some of your compatriots do, when they reffer the argentine posture. The fact that our government doesn't talk to the assembly from the islands about self determination, it doesn't mean that you dont exists, if the government wants to stablish an air link with islands, it means that it wants to integrate them. Anyway i have always thought that the islanders should be part of the negotiation too, that's why i have always expressed that the solution must benefit both people. Your side criticises all the time the article that was incorporated in our constitution that reffers our claim for the islands, because according to their view, the only one outcome for arg., is the transference of sovereignty to us, which wouden't be a negotiation but a submition, however the u. k has always expressed that it wont discus about sovereignty untill the islanders wish it, isn't a submition too?, the u. n has never expressed that the sovereignty must be discussed only if the islanders wish it, in the same way that it never applied the right to self determination for them, if all the resolutions only call the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, it means that if the islanders want to remain british, nobody can change that, but it doesn't mean that we can't find a fair solution for both people, respecting the sovereignty conflict which is the main problem.
I already explained in planty of oportunities about the true posture of my country, but unfortunatelly some people keeps on understanding just what they want.
The assembly from the islands, should think deeply about the proposal, they can't say no so fast, the should take into account that if there are more flies, may be much more of us will want to travel to the islands.
GREEK: Like it or not, you reject to discuss about the sovereignty which is the main problem, that's not acting correctly eather.
Turkey neck just wants a quick link to Harley Street, London.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently her plastic nose is starting to disintegrate at the left nostril and she needs some urgent professional surgery, not those Cuban jokers who did that shit job on her neck.
92. axel
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to forget this problem was started by Argentina in 1942 but Peron. :p
@92 In 1850 you signed something that said all differences between UK and Argentina were settled. Then Peron decided he wanted lebensraum like his Nazi friends, and now you lost the falklands fair and square in an armed conflict. End of Story.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We did negotiate. Then Nestor walked out. End of Story.
Seriously.... Negotiations? You think this YPF furkshow suggests you stand by your agreements? Can you provide an example of where Argentina stood by any of its agreements?
We await your answer.
by Peron#
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Don't bother with anymore. Leave the argie bs in argieland. They're the only ones who'd believe it. “Sincere”? Figure out the number of argie lies told over the years to try to get their way. Figure out the number of treaties argies have broken. I suggest a way to make argieland trustworthy. Slaughter the lot and start again.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15 But we have no reason to trust you turds. Born as turds, live like turds, act like turds, look like turds, die (the sooner the better) as turds. That's argieland.
@24 Good idea, axel turd. Falklands should agree these flights. Then intercept every one that crosses the EEZ boundary and blow it out of the sky. “Sorry, poor communications.”
@28 Hold your breath. Sorry, hold your breath, please!
@34 The LAN Airlines flight can fly around argie airspace. More hot air!
@35 Don't worry. In 5 or 10 years FIG will ask the FCO whether they received an argie flights proposal.
@41 You need to work on aircraft ranges.
@44 No problem. Regards A British Taxpayer. P.S. Ask FIG if they want to increase number of flights. Money no object.
@47 But there's a new plan to increase range. Aircraft flies to argieland and drops 10,000lb bomb at random. Lovely extra range.
@55 Re-read your last paragraph. Then stuff it up your arse.
@56 Shit for brains!
@57 More shit for brains!
@61 The British government is not responsible for domestic FI issues.
@74 Only for aspiring suicides!
@82 But they'd be pretty stupid to permit a flying bomb to travel to the Islands.
@92 Fuck off, retard.
#97 Why are you in such an unfriendly mood today?
Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need to come around to the reality of the very sincere goals stated by the Argentinean foreign ministry yesterday: “The Mount Pleasant service connecting in Buenos Aires with the forth coming wide body service to London will prove that Argentina is committed to its Malvinas territorial inhabitants best needs and remains serious about its promises for a peaceful solution with an opportunity to improve communications and the quality of life to the Islanders.” ...That should make you smile...
Anyone know why Conqueror's so angry ?
Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please join our Facebook PAGE https://www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619 KEEP THE FALKLANDS BRITISH press the LIKE button on the page to follow the news streams and spread the news to your friends and family.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is she nuts? Let's: fresh fruit, tourists, eggs, tourists, family, tourists.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmmm. Maybe a bit to much lamb in the diet.
Actually Conqueror has been quite calm lately. What he wrote is actually very tame and civilized for his standards.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Usually he goes on excursives of gouging argie eyeballs with spoons, eviscerating argie children, and sadomasochism sessions with large-footed argie girls.
Anyone know why Conqueror's so angry ?
Apr 26th, 2012 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares about him! He is a vulgar crazy animal!
92 axel arg
Apr 26th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You never give up of of brainwashing persuasion,
We think argentine should become British, and too give us sovereignty,
You guys can still be argentine if you wish, but the sovereignty should come back to great Britain, without argument,
Its ours, and you do not need it .
103
Anyone know why Conqueror's so angry ?
Who cares about him! He is a vulgar crazy animal!
Pot – kettle – black – sometimes.
All you guys need a new government urgently.
And it should be British,
Argentina belongs to us, [does it not]
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Argentina may belong to the UK, but the Hand of God still worked in our favour and not yours. That will never change.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You all wrote poem not comments .
Apr 26th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0poems or comments
Apr 26th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0104 and 105 was good comments
106 was a poem in disgise was it not .
@88GY
Apr 26th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Chinese also love to gamble. So it seems that KFC is going to get on with them famously.
Chicureo
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which is the bigger pack of lies? Your story about the Tupolev aircraft or your story about the deal with the Chinese?
@109
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The bigger pack of lies is the Argentine claim to the Falkland Islands.
110 Brit Bob
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too true!
Some hope for discussions on fisheries then, that has to be positive and would be very good for both parties, certainly in the medium to long term.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would mean “face to face” meetings between the Argy gov and the Islanders.
Assuming the Argentinian delegates can sit down without demanding sovereignty is discussed.
@3 Chicureo
Are you the sales manager, S America, for Tupovev or something, the only thing they’re good for is SAM practice for beginners.
@ 98 Chicureo
Smile! I haven’t stopped laughing yet.
@ 99 cornishair
No “Glow in the dark Argieland” or bayonet practice, that’s pretty calm for Conqueror.
He must be sharpening his new Double barrelled Flick-Kukri.
@103 Malvinero1
And you Malv are such an educated, cultured, articulate, sane and warm human being.
JAJAJAJAJAJAJJJJAJAAAAHHHHH!!!!
UK FINISHEDDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOMED!!!!
KAKAKAKAKAKKAAKKKAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!>>>>>…..
Cough, cough, Spasm: jibber jibber.
Keep taking the tablets.
@3 Have you not been keeping up with regular events? if people are judged by their actions and words Then the president of Argentina is no friends of the UK or The Falklanders and any act that seems friendly has an alternative motive , is that sincere enough for you?
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You just can’t trust anyone,
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Caesar tried that [trusted thing]
And got stabbed by his own mates,
So I wouldn’t hold out much for CFK chances .
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Everyone DOES realise that Chicureo is just making all that stuff up about the Russian planes and the Chinese deals. Don't you?
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, JB, why do you have to spoil it. I've had hours of fun reading the RG bloggers who fell for it. I could imagine them, slavvering at the mouth and wringing their hands at the prospect of all those lovely Chinese $US dollars. Not to mention the chance of them harping on about Chinese support for their claim to Los Islas Malvinas*. Brilliant wind up.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0* Can be found 300 miles SSE of Never Never Land.*
@99 cornishair (#)
Apr 27th, 2012 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:45 pm
It's just his way.
BBC have just announced UK export bans to block any kind of product/trade that Argentina could use to economically blockade the Falklands. About time too.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just read it. I have to say, what the hell are we doing issuing export licenses to companies selling equipment to the argentine armed forces?
Apr 27th, 2012 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I could not care less if it is only maintenance equipment. If their aircraft can not fly or their vehicles can not move because of lack of spares, so much the better, less threat to the FI's.
Could be for search and rescue equipment or humanitarian work.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stop laughing at the back!
Seriously. When the AAF are not making 30,000 innocent Argentines 'dissapear' or invading somebody else's territory, they sometimes do a bit of work for charity............ Sorry, the UN. They also have to maintain some sort of SAR capability.
BRITON. GREEK YOGHURT.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GREEK: You seem to forget what i typed in many others comments about the agreement of 1850. Firstly it didn't have anything to do with this dispute, the true reason of it, was the rasing if the blockade. On the other hand, if you think that arg. had lost it's rights when it singed that agreement, then answer me please why did the u. k try to persuade the islanders in 1968 and in 1980, in order to achieve that they accept to find a negotiated for ths conflict?. Anyway argentina's claim wasn't continuos, and i have a hipothesis for it, what we should do, is to recognize once and for all, that the case has strong and weak aspects for both nations, but unfortunatelly i dont think that miopic like you can understand it, this is evident that you insist making ignorant comparisons, mixing situations which dontt have anything to do with question, and making very patial analysis.
I dont deny that may be our government didn't act correctly in some oportunities, i say in all my comments, because i'm not neather drivel nor ignorant, but you country has never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, that's not acting correctly eather.
BRITON: You never give up of making ignorant comparisons do you?, our claim for the islands didn't start 6 monthes ago, it started since 1833, when your country deprived arg. from the islands, and forced our authorities to leave the archipelago, only an ignorant like you can say what you expresed in your comment.
@121Axel arg
Apr 27th, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your first point, why did the UK government in 1968 1nd 1980 try to persuade the islanders to accept negotiated setttlement. In one word, “Money.” However once armed force was used in 1982 things changed for good. Most people in the UK prior to 1982 would not have been able point out the Falkland Islands on the map. Since 1982 most of them now can. It was an Agentinian political blunder of epic proportions. Though it was very traumatic and frightening experience for the Falkland Islanders, in a perverse sense, it was politicaly the best thing that could have happened to them. Prior to then, their wishes were secondary to the UK governments decision making process. UK parliamentarians are notorious, for saying to the people that they know what's best for them. Since then, their right to self determination has become paramount to succesive UK governments. It's fair to say that any UK government negotiating those rights away, would be committing political suicide.
Your second point. The Falkland Islands were settled before Argentina existed as an independent state in 1833. The present occupants are descendants of those settlers. Please do not use the arguement of inheriting them from Spain. There is no international precident in law to make this claim.
I'm terribly hurt with all the negative comments questioning the sincerity and validity of the newest KFC proposals for a joint Sino-Argentine development of the YPF petroleum reserves as well as the innovative Tupolev air service London - Buenos Aires - Mount Pleasant. I'm switching to a different topic with more even more dramatic astounding news.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@121 axel arg
Apr 27th, 2012 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“our claim for the islands didn't start 6 monthes ago, it started since 1833,”
The British claimed the Islands, Du Jure 1690, De Facto 1765.
Argentina did not Exist until 1810 – 1816.
The British have the “Prior claim”, over all others.
Not that you could have inherited anything from Spain, you broke away from Spain by force of arms and Spain still exists as a country in its own right.
Under these circumstances you can no more claim to have inherited agreements and rights from Spain, than you can claim to have inherited Madrid or Gibraltar or YPF for that matter.
REALITY CHECK. PUGOL-H.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REALITY: Unless you are honest respecting what you say about the reason why the u. k tried to persuade the islanders, in order to achieve that they accept to find a negotiated solution. On the other hand, regarding the war of 1982, despite that criminal event, the u. n continued calling the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, what your side does all the time, is to distort the postures of the u. n and argentina. If the wishes of the islanders are so important for the u. k, let me remind you that the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., it has called the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a pecaeful solution only, it means that if the islanders want to remain under british government, nobody can change that, but it doesn't mean that we can't find a fair solution for both people, for the conflict for the sovereignty of the islands, which is the main problem.
Regarding what you say about what we inherited from spain, i only can tell you that our rights were based on the sussession of states, i made two exhaustive investigations about the historic and the legal aspects of the conflict, which are based on the academic knowledge of argentine and british professors of international right, i can send my work to you by i imail if you want.
PUGOL: You are missinformed as usuall, and continue making ignorant comparisons like some of your compatriots do all the time. You should know that the discovery is not enough in order to claim for a territory, the most important is the permanent occupation, if you want, i can send my investigation to you by i mail too, there is a lot more to argue.
thank you falkers for our answer! that´s how we can use emptied arguments.....
Apr 27th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, how close is Malvinas every days.......
Regards!
@125 Axel arg
Apr 27th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, I am ashamed to admit to the Falkland Islanders and to you, that I do believe it had everything to do with the UK economics (Money). By the way when I say ashamed, I mean ashamed of our governments of the time. Both of which were labour and both of which, as in the case of the last labour government, left this country, well and truely in an economic mess. Seems we have short memory when it comes to selecting governments.
Your second point, the UN. If we are honest, which I find is always the best way to be, both you and I know, that their will never be any negotiations. Not or until , the Right to Self determination for the Islanders, is on the table. It simply will not happen.
121 axel arg
Apr 27th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only ignorant person here is YOU .
You refuse to listen; you refuse to understand the truth,
And when you are beaten by the truth, you resort to insults,
The point of the matter, has now been blunted , on you .
Good bye .
.
REALITY CHECK.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should recognize too that money is also the actual reason why the u. k wont never negotiate the sovereignty with arg. The u. k doesn't care in absolut about the right to self determination, including your thatcher wanted to get rid of the islands in 1980, but two years later, the war was going to be the main key of her next triumph, thanks to the war, she could save her miserable government. The fascist and criminal dictatorship that government arg., wanted to use the cause of the islands too, in order to boost it's regiment also, but it lost. Anyway, if we are honest, which is also for me the best way to be, i think that if the u. k insist on it's intransigence, it's obvious that we are going to keep on having more problems in the future, so, neather the u. k nor the islanders should complain if our government takes a hard decitions, like the denounces against the oil corporations which are exploring in the islands, because those hard decitions are the consequence of the intransigence of the u. k and the islanders, anyway i recognize that that arg. didn't act correctly in some oportunities too, and i dont mean only the war of 1982, which was the worst that arg. could do, only a genocide regimen could take such a criminal decition.
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Apr 27th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0suicidle tendecys.
ahhhhhhhhhh
..out of interest I would be quite curious to know just who KFC supposes will be wanting to fly to / from Port Stanley to BA in their masses? It's not likely to be the islanders, is it? If the Chilean workers then surely they would rather save money by taking their existing flight rather than taking an expensive detour via BA. Oh, and Chicureo, you can't really be serious, can you?!
Apr 27th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel Arg and your Argentine comrades
Apr 27th, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't care how good yor airline is and the intricacies/realities of trying to fly an air service between BA and the Falklands. What I want to know is why, on top of all the other rubbish you throw at us, did Argentina choose to insult us further by not even bothering to ask us what we wanted?
And no, you can not justify punitive actions by blaming our intransigence. Argentina states endlessly that Falkland Islanders' views don't count and that you don't recognise our government. You say your dispute is ONLY with Britain. This being the case, why does Argentina not address its punitive actions ONLY to Britain? In other words, if we don't meet the criteria for discussion, then we shouldn't meet the criteria for punishment. Yet we are the ones who are being punished. We have no voice in your world yet you find justification for punishing us. Why is that?
Because, honoria, they have no honour.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0They have a “win at any cost” mentality.
They hate to be proved wrong & will never admit it when they are.
And lying comes so natural to them that after a while they believe the lie themselves.
(132) Honoria, (the one with exquisite music taste)
Apr 28th, 2012 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You ask
“…..We have no voice in your world yet you find justification for punishing us. Why is that?”
I say:
1) We are not punishing anybody……. We are just not cooperating with the British plans and ambitions for the occupation and exploitation of 12,000,000 square km of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory.
2) You, British Kelpers, squatting the disputed territory of Malvinas, are the British spearhead for the occupation and exploitation of that 12.000.0000 sq. km of territory.
3) We are focusing our “Non Cooperation Strategy” on the Malvinas Islands because they are the vortex of British occupation of the area, just under 200 miles off our shores.
4) You Islanders enjoyed already a higher standard of living than the UK people thanks to the fisheries in disputed waters.
If it was ANY sincerity on the Islanders argument about “** Just trying to live a peaceful, simple life **”, that situation could have continued almost eternally…….., but the British haughtiness, greed and true intentions surfaced a couple of years ago through the Oil Exploration in disputed territory.
You Brits have long been used to spit in the face of other People and get a “Thank you so very much you honorable Bwana Sahibs”
Well….. Tell you what…….
Things are not like that in South America any more and you, Honoria with the exquisite music taste, and your fellow British Squatter Club Members chums better start noticing.
Stop whining and accept your part in the responsibility in this conflict.
I really don't understand the logic that #134 Think uses: CFK has called stated the residents are and will continue to be Argentine citizens if the islands come under Argentine governance. So if that is the case, why do you call them “squatters” and “colonials” if they are indeed citizens of Argentina according to CFK?
Apr 28th, 2012 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0@134 Think ..who is whining? Don't bring South America into all this! Oh, and The Falklands is further away from Argentina than 200 hundred miles :)
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0(136) Chatcat
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly; this is, absolutely, a South American issue...
Read the news, laddie.
Secondly; the Malvinas are just 186 Nautical miles from the nearest Argentinean shore.......
Do you have Google Earth?
Do you know how to use it?
186 Nautical miles, laddie.......
Not one more......., not one less
@137 Haughty Squatter Think,
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares if its 186 miles or even 186mm. This is NOT your country & your writ doesn't run here.
We are not squatters but you are, Think.
Your ancestors murdered the original inhabitants of the land that you now squat on.
You conveniently forget that.
Yes we probably will take part in the exploitation of Antarctica & Argentina probably won't.
Because of the attitude (& all your evil works) of you malvinistas, l say that with a great deal of satisfaction.
You brought it all on yourselves & all by yourselves.
You could have had a share, but you know, good old warmongering Nestor.................that was an expensive piece of paper. lol.
And you are quite, quite wrong with your ramblings about a South American issue.
We are not in South America, we are in the South Atlantic.
You keep your precious S.America, Think.
Anyway, oh haughty one, the British base for extracting minerals etc from Antarctica will probably be on South Georgia.
l know you just “want it”, but guess what Think?
You're not going to get it.
l'm not whining, Think, but l bet you will be when the first Tanker leaves the Falklands.
Suck it up baby.
@ 134 Think
Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well, my fellow Jethro Tull fan, that is the best response to that question that I have seen from an Argentine. Usually it's collateral damage, lashing out in frustration, nothing personal etc.
So you don't think Argentina is punishing us? Then you would be absolutely right, which I hope you appreciate is a big admission from me. Apart from the mobs of horrible thugs that you send here to annoy us, we would hardly know you are there.
And what is so new about non co-operation? You have been non co-operating with us for 30 years and more and where has that got you? Where is another 30 years of it going to get you?
I am rather flattered that you think I am a spearhead. Makes me feel like a warrior princess, a thought I shall carry with me while I am doing the washing up and feeding the chicks today.
But really, you are all screaming and yelling over there, making international fools of yourselves and getting nowhere. We can't trust a single thing you say and because of all the nonsense Argentina spouts it's not even fun to communicate with you. Be nice. How aboutputting a bit of effort into making friends with us?
Hehe, nice one there Think...I had already checked Google Earth but I agree that 'nautical' miles your distance is about right...but may as well be a million miles away with regard to any ambitions you may be dreaming of. I think Isolde does sum up the situation pretty well in his message above :)
Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HONORIA.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is insulting you?, why dont you stop playing the victim, and recognize once and for all that you are not acting correctly eather.
Regarding the flies, it's simple, take it or leave it, it's just an offer, nobody is going to force to fly by our airline.
On the other hand, i have always argued that perhaps our government didn't act correctly in some oportunities, not only i 1982, i read also that arg. didn't comply totally with some of the agreements that it signed in the past with the u. k, i dont know if it's true or not, but in case that it's true, it's not acting correctly. But at the same time, you have always rejected to dicuss about the sovereignty which is the main problem, that's not acting correctly eather, beside your side distorts once and again the true posture of my country. The u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., all the resolutions have called the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and a peaceful solution only, it means that if the islanders want to remain under british government, nobody can change that, but it doesn't mean that we can't find a fair solution for the sovereignty issue for both people. Anyway i dont think you are going to recognize that you are not acting correctly eather.
@ 141 Axel Arg
Apr 28th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A victim? Me? Well, I suppose you are blockading us and trying to interfere with our legitimate economic activities and sending your mobs of horrible thugs over to intimidate us. Does that make me a victim?
As for the proposed flights why did you do it the way you did? Why announce that you knew what we needed and what was in our best interests without asking us first? Can you not accept that such action would annoy anyone, anywhere?
And as for sovereignty what would be fair about discussing it? You would be asking us to give up part, or more likely all, of the things that we hold dear and that make us the community that we are. What is fair about that? What rational person asks a community to destroy itself and expects them to agree? Get real, Axel. Your Malvinas is a fantasy that doesn't exist. You had 200 years of opportunity for Hispanics to settle here and to dominate the British culture but you didn't. You chose not to. The opportunity has now gone and no amount of complaining will change that. We have to live with you as neighbours and it's about time you learned to live with us.
(139) Honoria
Apr 28th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One question and one remark….:
1) What do you feed your poultry with, my warrior chicken feeder?
Imported industrial stuff….? Anybody tried to mix some kelp in it…? In what percentage…? Does it affect egg color, texture or taste…?
2) We have made quite a bit of effort into making friends with you…. Twice…. The answer has been clear both times. ”Bugger off.”
Well……… One thing’s for sure. 41,000,000 Argentineans will not just ”Bugger off”.
Chances are that 2.500 Kelpers will.
Honoria
Apr 28th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignore the heathens,
There replies show beyond question they are jealous and envious of the Falkland islands, and the British
They have nothing you want or need,
They no not what they say, its all self first , CFK says you are argentine, so to treat you like foreigners is nothing short of a disgrace,
CFK says you belong to Argentina, so any attempt to steal your minds and freedom, is dictatorship,
All the British want is to be friends, all they want is to dictate to you, and steel your human rights and freedom, as soon as they get you, Argentina will change all the rules, and your way of life, most of you will be transported to Argentina, or made to disappear.
They don’t want you, they don’t even care about you, it’s the wealth that the islands have, they want to steal your OIL and FISH stocks, and any Minerals they find,
They can never ever be trusted,, they have broken every rule in the book and renegades on every agreement, then come on here and lie and deceit, insult and intimidate you guys trying to bully you into defeat, they ignore your rights, and distort every aspect of an argument, either its there way, or the high way, they will blame you for everything,
The truth is very different, they have no hope of getting you, they have no support beyond talking, they are nothing but bullies and cowards, and always play the victim, and use insults to get their way,
Be proud to be British, and they can Soddy offy .
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@ 143 Think
Apr 28th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your concern about the chicks. They are much obliged and wish you to know that they are currently enjoying left over rice, chicken feed from Brazil and a few earwigs.
When did you ever try to make friends with us? I've been here a very long time and I don't remember it. You can't be referring to the time you sent us the Pingu videos and the Argentine All Girl Beatles ... can you?
@ 144 Briton
Thank you for your support and please do not worry about me. I am a proud British warrior princess who indulges in a little bear baiting now and again.
(145) Honoria
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still fighting those nasty earwig buggers...... huhhhh?
First time we tried nicely was during the seventies, you are obviously too young or too newcomer to remember/have experienced it.
Ask some of the old geezers or read your own history........
Second time was during the nineties when you squatters broke our fisheries agreement switching the licenses duration from 1 year to 25 years to benefit some of your current squidllonaires.
145 honoria
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anytime,
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Honoria: In Chicureo (Yes, it's a place) We have a few Araucana chickens at our home that provide us a boundless supply of blue eggs and an occasional roasted lunch. Their feed is corn and worms from our compost pile – the chickens taste absolutely delicious. In Peru they sometimes use fishmeal and the flavor is less than desirable. We also have quail and grouse which are a family tradition. Hang in there, there are many of us who admire you.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 146 Think
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You call THAT friendly? The white card, opening our mail, imposed military garrison to 'protect' your YPF interests. In our shoes, would you have considered that friendly?
Don't try and shift the blame for the breakdown of the fisheries agreement. You broke it. You weren't friendly.
How about trying to be friendly in a manner that most people would recognise as a genuine attempt? I.e. not trying to impose anything on us that we might not want. It wouldn't kill you.
Venezuelan citizen with ties to the Casa Rosada held in Macau – Argentinean Government refuses to issue a statement. Xinhua News Agency - Sunday April 29, 2012 - Hong Kong
Apr 29th, 2012 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Authorities have detained Guido Antonini Wilson, the US-Venezuelan citizen who was caught in August 2007 by Argentine Customs with a brief case containing 800.000 US dollars, allegedly for the presidential campaign of Mrs. Kirchner, and now again has been detained in Macau when four rather large suitcases inspected were found to contain $4.6 million Dollars. Wilson was reportedly to explain that he was simply bringing back a few suitcases for his friend, Maximo, that had legitimately “done quite well on the roulette tables” a few weeks ago. The Casa Rosada Government House in Buenos Aires when first contacted refused to comment and Maximo Kirchner was unavailable to be interviewed. Argentine solicitor Guillermo Ledesma, is now negotiating with Chinese Macau authorities for the release of Wilson and it is hoped the issue can be quickly resolved.
(149) Honoria
Apr 29th, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“How about trying to be friendly in a manner that most people would recognize as a genuine attempt? I.e. not trying to impose anything on us that we might not want. It wouldn't kill you.”
I say:
As I said at 146, we tried ”NICELY” during the 60’s and the 70’s.
No matter what we did, the response of the dominant forces on the Islands was always the same: ”Bugger Off”…….
And, as we all know, that haughty “Bugger Off” has already killed many………….
I don’t need to “be in anybody's shoes” to comprehend a person’s natural aversion to accept being imposed something’s he/she might not want….
“My shoes” tell me the same story……………….................
But it is you, Kelpers, trying to impose on South America something we don’t want:
** We do NOT want the United Kingdom taking control of 12,000,000 square km of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory for the exploitation of its natural and mineral resources.**
And that’s exactly, my dear Honoria, what you, Kelpers are imposing on us.
And then you get all “disturbed and anxious” when we say NO!
Is it really so difficult to understand?
Hey, Think...you are a bit late me old cocker spaniel..about 200 hundred years but many would say much longer than that (give or take a nautical mile or two). The UK already owns a lot of South Atlantic. Think you may have a lot of teeth-gnashing in all those long, frustrating years ahead but hey, stay cool man!
Apr 29th, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well Think, can't you take a hint?
Apr 29th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you bugger off?
We are under no obligation to be “friends” with you or anyone else.
More threats? -“we'll be nice to you but you must do as we want”
ls that it, Think?
41 million of you, eh?
Well we haven't done too badly in keeping you out! ha ha.
Come back for a fair scrap when there's 100 million of you! lol
We don't care what you want in the South Atlantic.
You say its not ours,
Well we say its also NOT yours.
Tough for you if you don't like it.
@ 151 Think
Apr 29th, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is difficult to understand why, when Hispanics had a 200 year window of opportunity to simply move here and live here and dominate the British society, you didn't. Nothing would have stopped a gradual process of integration but you weren't interested and didn't want to. It is now too late to decide that we should be drawn into and adopt your country just because you now think there is material gain to be had. It is no good now wringing your hands over some mythical land that youhave convinced yourself should be yours.The Islands were wide open to settlement for a very long time, as was South America, but you people - and only you - were the ones who decided you didn't want to live here. You had your chance and no amount of bullying will change that fact.
Amazing what we get accused of,
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don’t want to control the south Atlantic, Argentina does, and CFK has stated this has she not,
We are not claiming any land in the south Atlantic, Argentina is, CFK has publicly stated they want south Georgia st Helens . The sis, and the Antarctica .
So let us think for a moment, WHO claim the south Atlantic,
Certainly not the British.
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@154 well said honoria
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@155 briton..have they really claimed St Helena too? That just makes the KFC brand even more laughable..!
(154) Honoria
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excuse me….?
What….?
Next year is the 180’th anniversary of the most powerful Empire on Earth sailing down to South-America and kicking out the Argentinean population of Malvinas, some strategic Islands commanding the only passage between the Atlantic and the Pacific oceans.
Argentina a newborn and weak Nation, had no chance whatsoever to challenge the Big English Bully.
(I know…. I know….. You kept some Gauchos and Negresses ……..as unpaid servants…..How generous of you...........
The gauchos rebelled some months later, killing the British appointed “authorities”.
The Negresses couldn’t afford such luxury, as good mothers they resigned, took good care of all the kids they had been raped to and made the best of any given situation.)
The colonial situation of the Malvinas Islands continued until the end of WWII when the UK ceased to be the most powerful Bully of the Planet.
Argentina restated its rights and was very close to an agreement with Post-Colonial UK during the seventies.
The UK broke that pre-agreement.
The rest of the story, we know pretty well……….. Don’t we?
The Argentine government has maintained a claim over the Falkland Islands since 1833, and renewed it as recently as June 2009.[44] It considers the archipelago part of the Tierra del Fuego Province, along with South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So I made an error, she has not yet claim st helens. But as she claims all of the south atlantic, then give it time .
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Also did you all know this,,,,
A sign at the Argentine-Brazilian border, translated into English, proclaims “The Malvinas [Falklands] are Argentine” to visitors entering the country from Brazil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute
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@ 157 Think
Apr 29th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If we are going to have a debate let's keep it real . No fantasies about raping Negresses PLEASE.
Argentines had an opportunity over a lengthy period of time to move to the Falkland Islands and dominate the British society. Plenty did move here over the years but there weren't enough of them to create an overarching Hispanic culture and they were absorbed into the British community. The descendents of these people live here still along with a small number of newer arrivals from Argentina who have CHOSEN to settle and work here. So the point is - if the Islands were so important to you, why didn't your forebearers come and live here? They could have bought farms, started businesses, got jobs etc. We crazed Imperialists clearly didn't put them off did we? So where were you? The answer is that you didn't want to, which is reasonable enough. However it is unreasonable after all these years to decide that you missed a wonderful opportunity and would Falkland Islanders please now clear off.
By the way, I know now that you will sympathise with my ambition to own the moon. It's near the Falklands because I see it every day. I am pretty sure that Ancient British Druids discovered it or why else would they have built Stonehenge. I am British so I must be descended from the Druids which makes my claim valid. Also I FEEL in my heart that the moon should be mine. So I'm all set. Of course I don't want to actually live there because its cold and there is no air but I have made it a rule in my family that all the descendants are to be taught that the moon is ours for the above reasons. Later on when someone else has developed it and discovered the plutonium mines etc we'll ask for it back, indeed demand it if necessary ....... OK I'll stop now. This only a fantasy after all.
(159) Honoria
Apr 29th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So... You didn't know about the Negresses.... Huhhhhhh?
Read, dear Honoria..... read.
It's all on record...
Try Darwin...
Ah, but the Argies do not want the islands,
Apr 29th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their are over 700 little bits of rock, and they have no wish to any of them.
Its just a diversion from their cracking economy
That’s why they have only eyes for the minerals and wealth that the islands have. like the oil.
Its all about the OIL.
Or a diversion from their cracking economy,
One or the other.
Takas you pickas .lol
@ 160 Think
Apr 29th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is your point? We don't get the Falklands because Darwin committed an ungentlemanly act?
I would still like to know why y'all haven't joined our happy throng en masse and taught us how to be just like you.
HONORIA.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I explained in planty of oportunities about what would for me a fair solution. I think that arg and he u. k should share the sovereignty of the archipelago, in this way it would respected the wishes of the islanders, who want to remain under british government, and it would be respected also, the sovereign right of my country over the islands. This idea, is not neather new nor unworkable, there are different places around the world with shared sovereignties. If you dont agree with this idea, propose another, but the solution must be fair for both sides, and the sovereignty must be included, because it's the main problem. On the other hand, i understand that our government took hard decitions, but at the same time, if you have unless one line of intellectual honesty, you should realise that your intrasigence has a huge responsability also in the actual scenario, so, dont blame only argentina. Regarding the air link, i understand that c. f. k's government didn't ask you about this, maybe she should have talked to you before, but it's just an offer, and you have right to reject it, like you did. Finally despite the mediocre and pathetic analysis that you made in the end of your comment, the only thing i can tell you is that the best that you can do, is to study and investigate, all the opinions are respectable, but beyond our opinions, there is nothing more important thanthe resolutions from the u. n, and they must be respected by both nations, thats' why they should resume the negotiations and find a fair solution for both people.
Ah, but the Argies do not want the islands,
Apr 30th, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Their are over 700 little bits of rock, and they have no wish to any of them.
Its just a diversion from their cracking economy
That’s why they have only eyes for the minerals and wealth that the islands have. like the oil.
Its all about the OIL.
Or a diversion from their cracking economy,
One or the other.
ANother stupidity,from our MAster clown,briton.
Argentina claimed it,in 1810.Occupied in 1820.Oil? Was not important then...
For the love of God, Jesus and Humanity, *stop using the term Negress* in this discussion. Perhaps in the Spanish language, this is an acceptable term. But as an American reading this, I can tell you that the term Negress is degrading, racist and appalling. Just about any American who heard an Argentine use the term Negress would assume the Argentine to be virulently racist, and biased against black people, and would have a poor opinion of Argentines in general.
Apr 30th, 2012 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, the term was used in the past by historians, but in present day, it is a despicable word that would never form itself on my tongue. If I used the term as a child , my mother would have slapped me.
@159 honoria,
Apr 30th, 2012 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Love it girl! Our own Moon!
But don't expect any logic or truth from sr Think.
He makes up things as he goes along, has swallowed the malvinista fable hook,line & sinker.
He ignores what he can't answer & ignores the truth when its inconvenient.
lts pretty easy to beat him actually.lol
@157 Think,
Stop lying, Think.
There was no Argentine population kicked out as well you know.
They weren't even Argentines & their blood runs through the veins of the present day Falklanders.
Even if they had been kicked out(which they were not)so what?
They were trespassers on British land.
You have no case, Think & you know it.
You Argentines just think that you can bluff us.
@163 Axel,
Get lost, Axel.
@164 Malvinero1,
Who cares when your failed state claimed OUR lslands?
We claimed them in 1765 before Argentina even existed.
You mean you trespassed in 18whatever, loooooooong after us.
And briton has more sense in his little finger than you have malvin in your entire body.
lf anyone is a clown then its surely you with your childish posts.
So you get lost also.
Amazing im gone ten minutes and the gorilla malvino shows his hand with insults,
Apr 30th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well we will not lower ourselves to be intimidated by a child,
Perhaps one day this brit hating weirdo will just grow up .
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166 lsolde
Once again, thank you.
That child still thinks OIL was invented in 1810,
And we had cars and engines, and they wonder why we laugh at him.
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(165) Jayne Birkin
Apr 30th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The present inhabitants consist of one Englishman…….......20 Spaniards & three women, two of whom are NEGRESSES…………”
Charles Darwin, March 1833
http://books.google.co.za/books?id=MFUZsb5PPIoC&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=negressess+darwin+falklands&source=bl&ots=U3Qgq8X04o&sig=Qlivr263KdDZaH8VAwedqcGGazg&hl=da&sa=X&ei=a9CeT_eqI8bbsgbvv_Rv&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
History, Mr. Birkin….. History…. Not racism.
As I clearly point out in my comment No: 157 ………..:
Half of those “Spaniards” that Mr. Darwin mentions, kept in the Islands by false British promises and God knows what other methods of coercion, rebelled some months later, killing the British appointed “authorities”.
The Negresses that Mr. Darwin mentions, obviously slaves, were kept in the Islands by the British….........
Voluntarily, do you “Think” ?
Who the heck asked a female slave what she wanted in 1833?
And please Mr. Yankee…………, spare me your “veiled” insults…..
Argentine proposal for direct rail/tube –link
Apr 30th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To the Falklands.
CFK put the proposals for a tube link, on condition that the islanders paid for the tunnel, and infrastructure,
And she would supply the trains and drivers, and boarder controls ect .
Seems fair she says,
They are just awaiting upon the islanders reply .
????????
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#168 Thanks for the rundown; I'm glad it wasn't Darwin himself who was “naughty”, as your opponent alleged. Maybe they're a creationist =)
Apr 30th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear
Apr 30th, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Mr. Darwin,
His only crime was to be a great explorer,
And writer,
One of his famous quotes were .
• “I have watched how steadily the general feeling, as shown at elections, has been rising against Slavery. What a proud thing for England if she is the first European nation which utterly abolishes it!”
• He was a Biologist and a proud Englishman .
On March 1st 1833, HMS Beagle dropped anchor in the Falklands, they were their about a month only, then left, and did not return for another year .
arriving back in Berkeley Sound on
March 10th 1834. The circumstances of their arrival were not auspicious. Port Louis
had just been the scene of a murderous rampage by renegade gauchos that had
claimed the life, amongst others, of Matthew Brisbane, an intrepid Scottish seacaptain
HMS Beagle sailed out of Berkeley Sound on April 7th 1834
He has done nothing of what he is accused of, again another great Englishman,
To whom some Argentineans today, are most envious and admired .
http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/5311/1/Darwin4FIJ.pdf
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(170) British_Kirchnerist
May 01st, 2012 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know if they are Creationists...................
But, evidently, some of them are the product of “Unintelligent Design”.
!!! Imagine acusing sweet Ol' Charles Darwin of raping a Negress !!!
What an utter, sheer and absolut fallacy !!!
Everybody knows that he despised the lesser races as much as I despise the Argentinean Armed Farces.....
You are a “farce”, Think.
May 01st, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh speaker of untruths & twister of history.
ISOLDE.
May 01st, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If i decided to answer your comment one more time, it's not because i think that maybe you can change your mind, unfortunatelly along all this time, you have shown that you have such a closed mind, and dont recognize that your side is not acting correctly eather, and dont accept the fact that you have very partial information. However if i decided to answer your comment, it's because perhaps planty of people can take the information that you give, so, they will be as missinformed as you are. Firstly, it's true that the u. k had stablished a settlement in the north of port egmont (gran malvina, or west falkland), but it lasted only 8 years, beside the other island was in under spanish government, and when the british left port egmont, they left a plaq which said that the island belonged to the british crown. However, neather that practice, which was very usuall in that time, nor the discovery were enough in order to claim for a territory, that gave a precarious title only, and since 16 century, the international right exacted that the discovery had to be accompanied by the permanent occupation. After the british left port egmont in 1774, they never returned again untill 1833, in case that the u. k had any right over the islands, it should have negotiated a solution with our country, or maybe share the administration of the archipelago, it had no right to deprive our authorities from the archipelago, because our rights were based on the sussession of states.
On the other hand, the so called agreement of 1849 that your side loves to invoke all the time, in order to argue that we lost our rights when we signed it, was never used by the u. k. against our claim. Beside, it doesn't have any sense to invoke it, due to in 1968 and 1980, the u. k tried to persuade the islanders in order to achieve that they accept to negotiate a solution. We must recognize that the case has strong and weak aspects for both nations, dont get lost isolde, just study more.
@174 Axel,
May 01st, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lt doesn't matter whether we used the 1850 agreement or not before, Axel.
We're using it now.
Your country signed it so that should be the end of the story.
When you sign something, that is binding. lsn't it?
Axel, you have no case, no valid claims,
We know this for a fact.
You will not convince us otherwise.
This is NOT your land, despite all the lies that you were taught at school.
1968 & 1980 have absolutely no bearing on the case.
We rejected you then & we reject you now.
Are you not satisfied with the size of Argentina? You want more?
Axel, you are the one who should study more, a lot, lot more.
You will never get OUR lslands unless you take them in war.
And that option will be very costly for you.
Get used to it, we're here to stay.
175 lsolde
May 01st, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0very persistent is he not.
ISOLDE.
May 02nd, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I insist, because i'm very persistent like you and briton, the big difference between you both and i, is that i investigate, i dont parrot any partial information like you both and some others people in this forum do all the time.
I respect your opinion if you think that when we signed the agreement of 1849 we lost our rights, i already explained what i think about it. This is evident that the u. k changed it's posture in two oportunities, and it should not be dissmissed. I have never denied that our case has some weak aspects, because i dont parrot what i learnt at school, i investigate, because i'll be an academic in a few years, but at the same time, if you have unless one line of intellectual honestly, you should recognize that the british arguments have some weak aspects too. In the same way that i won't deny that our claim for the islands wasn't continuos, you can't ignore that the u. k changed it's posture in 1968 and 1980, including your so loved thatcher wanted to get rid of the islands in 1980, that's why i think that it doesn't have any sense to invoke that treaty, anyway i respect your opinion. But beyond the historic facts, if the u. n continue calling the two pars of the conflict to resume the negotiations, and find a peaceful solution, that should be respected, the u. n has never asked the u. k o return the islands to arg., all the resolutions have called the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, so, if you want to remain under british government, nobody is going to change that, you are there to stay, and to exercise your wish of being british, but it doens't mean that we can't find a fair solution for the sovereignty issue which is the main problem. Anyway i already know your answer, but dont complain if we have more problems in the future, because like it or not, your intrasnsigence has also a huge responsability in the actual scenario.
Axel : The aggressors are Argentina , who are imposing ( or trying to ) blockades on the Islands .
May 02nd, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nestor tore up the fishing agreements and put the “ recovery ” of the Islands in the constitution .
All Argentina wants to “ negotiate ” is the timetable for a hand over .
After 1982 , the Islanders do not want you , whether you are civilian or military country .
His problem is that he is not interested in democracy, but only his view,
May 02nd, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is the man at the ballot box who say,
You can tick any box you like all long as, its my box you tick, all other [x[ are invalid.
The Falklands are British, and until something changes that fact, then that is where it will remain .
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Axel : The aggressors are Argentina , who are imposing ( or trying to ) blockades on the Islands .
May 02nd, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0really brits pirate? So tell uk to get a sanction against Argentina,using the unmerited posicion at the UN Security council...Why uk is not doing that??
@180 Malvinero1,
May 03rd, 2012 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, really Malvibaby. Now just run along niño, the Adults are talking.
@177 Axel,
Axel, please explain to me what would be the point of “negotiations”?
1) Argentina wants our land.
2) We are not going to give our land to Argentina.
lts as simple as that.
lf we agreed to “negotiations” it would be like this:-
1) Argentine representitive- “we want the Falklands”
2) Falkland representitive- “no, you can't have our land”.
End of “negotiations”
So whats the point, Axel?
The only way you will get the Falklands is:-
1) if WE WANT to be ruled by Argentina,
2) or we are all dead.
And guess what? Axel, we DON'T want to be ruled by Argentina.
And if you try the second option you will pay dearly for it.
That is why we will not “negotiate” with you dear Axel.
But you can keep on asking or indeed threatening us.
lt makes us feel wanted & not neglected.lol♥
USURPING PIRATE. ISOLDE. BRITON.
May 03rd, 2012 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your answers were as obvious as usuall. It's very easy to play the victime, and criticise only the other part of the conflict, with out recognizing that your side is not acting correctly eather. I have never denied that maybe our government didn't act correctly in some oportunities, i read that it didn't comply totally with the agreements that it had signed in the past with the u. k, i dont know if it's true or not, but in case that it's true, then i must recognize that my country didn't act correctly. However at the same time, your side has never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, and it has always clarified that it would discuss about it only if the islanders wish it, accepted or not, that's not acting correctly eather, because the u. n has never expressed that the sovereignty must be discussed only if the islanders wish it, in the sam way that it never expressed that the u. k should return the islands to arg., all the resolutions have called the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, no more. I already explained one millon what would be for me a fair solution, i have always said that both countries should share the sovereignty of the islands, it this way, it would be respected the wish of the islanders, who want to remain under british government, and it would be respected our sovereignt right too. If you dont agree with this, propose another idea, but like it or not, the sovereignty is the main problem, and it must be discussed. Finally, let me tell you that nestor kirchner wasn't the one who included our claim for the islands in our constitution, it happened in the reform of 1994.
Axel said that both countries should share the sovereignty of the islands, it this way, it would be respected the wish of the islanders, who want to remain under british government, and it would be respected our sovereignt right too
May 03rd, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UP asks : Can we still keep our nuclear submarines there ?
USURPING PIRATE.
May 03rd, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It' very important the fact that you recognize that you have nuclear submarines, your country has avoided to answer about that. Anyway, your country is wasting such a lot of money with that huge militar in base in mount pleasant, ¿do you really think that arg., is going to invade again?, maybe your country still didn't learn to separate the actual context from the context of the dictatorship. In 1982, our budget of deffence represented the 3% of the gdp, now it represents o,9%, it's almost a disarme, and i agree with that absolutly, we are not under any threat of invasion, we dont use to invade countries, so, why should we militarise the country?, we just have the necesary weapons to deffend our borders and the natural resorcies, no more. I preffer our government to capitalize the economic prosperity that we are living now, in science and technlogy, reindustrialization, and education, that's what we need, and that's why people voted c. f. k by a landslide a couple of monthes ago, she must have done something right for us dont you think?, despite some negative aspects that she has in her administration. On the other hand, our constitution says that arg. must recover the sovereignty of the islands, under the respect for the int. right, remember about it every time you invoke it.
the answer is , no , non , niet,
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May 03rd, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Add to that , nein, nogat, hindet, la,tida
They ALL mean “NO”, Axel.
lsn't it suspicious how these malvinistas keep telling us that they're no threat & won't invade?
Oh, OK, we'll just tell the British Army that they can go home,
Argentina won't hurt us. They're our friends.
Pig's arse we will!
When we can afford it we'll want even more soldiers here.
Axel,
You cannot “recover” OUR lslands.
To recover something means that you used to own it & Argentina has NEVER owned OUR lslands.
We don't recognise your constitution, Axel.
Although we think that its wrong that you include us in it.
We don't want anything to do with you & you have NO RIGHTS in the Falklands.
NO RIGHTS, Axel. None, zero/cero, null, zilch, nada, or as they say in PNG:-
Something-nothing.
Please just go away & fix your own broken country.
agreed
May 03rd, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ISOLDE. BRITON.
May 04th, 2012 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't expect any diferent answer from you, i can tell you only that if you insist with your intransigence, so, don't complain if we have more serious problems in the future, beyond the pathetic victimization that you love to play all the time, you know that your intransigence has a huge responsability in this situation too.
@189 Axel,
May 04th, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lf you didn't expect a different answer, well you didn't get one, did you?
So you must be very happy, Axel.
We are not complaining Axel. Argentina is the one who is complaining.
And whats going to happen in the future Axelito?
Are you going to invade us again? Will you use Brazilian troops or maybe Venezuelan troops next time.
One thing for sure your country won't be doing it.
lf we ever see an Argentine ship, we'll radio them & tell them that the Gurkhas are here. That will take care of the ship.(sounds of madly thrashing propellers as the ship hightails it out of here)!!
Vive l'intransigence!
Your country is showing intransigence in refusing to discuss the sovereignty of Santa Cruz province, which is rightfully & legitimately ours.
We will write it into our constitution, so it must be ours.
We have reaffirmed that it is our desire to “recover” Sta Cruz & evict the Argentine squatters.
l suppose we'd better start whining to the UN about it.
Now, dear Axel,don't you complain if we have more problems in the future about it.
Because your intransigence has a huge responsibility in this situation.
Regards, the Memsahib
the british falklands are british.
May 04th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and that is that.
ISOLDE.
May 04th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not being serious, are you?. I already explained you about what the case of santa cruz, anyway i'll do it one more time, but it's going to be the last. The settlement that was stablished in puerto deseado, wasn't stablished in the name of the state, which is the main condition in order to claim for a territory, that settlement was just one more, like many others that we have around the country, so, you have nothing to claim from santa cruz. The dispute for the islands is absolutly different, our righst were based on the sussession of states, we had right to occupy unless the soledad island, (east falkland), beside the government from buenos aires had created the politic and militar command from the islands in 1829, and designed a couple of commanders. The first claim by the u. k happened in 1829, when our government created that command, it claimed for a territory which had never occupied before, if it had any right, it was only on port egmont. Anyway, i read once that in a secret article which had been incorporated to the nootka sound convention in 1790, which was signed by spain and the u. k, let great britain to occupy the malvinas, when abother power stablishes a settlement in the islands, so, if the the united provinces created the militar command and designed a couple of commanders, the u. k had right to ocupy the islands too, however it had no right to deprive our country, like it did when it forced our authorities to leave the malvinas. That's why i have always said that the u. k should have negociated a peaceful solution for this conflict, or maybe share the administration of the archipelago. Anyway, i must say too that using the treaty of 1790, in order to affirm that the u. k had right to occupy the islands, is very arguable, because our country had ocuppied them in the name of the united provinces in 1820, it had been published in british newspapers and the u. k didn't protest. I insist isolde, dont get lost, but study hard.
let us explain it for the very last time.
May 04th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the answer is no.
the islands are british,
you have a big enough country as it is,
why be so greedy,
no no no .leave them alone
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