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Malvinas families divided over identifying remains at the Falklands’ Argentine cemetery
The Malvinas families’ commission regrets they have not been consulted on the Argentine government’s request for international help to identify the remains of the ‘unknown soldiers’ buried at the Argentine cemetery in the Falkland Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI agree with Mr Trejos stance on this subject. I find it repugnant that they have a law giving custody of their dead to the office of the president
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0The proof- if it was ever needed- that CFK wants to play politics with the dead and treats the family relatives with the same gutter attitude she has towards us Islanders
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can not believe it, these soldiers had no freedom when they were alive and now they have no freedom in death. Do not get me wrong, my sympathies are not for them because they were killed in action fighting against our troops. They should not have been there in the first place. My sympathies are purely humane. Words can not describe the contempt I feel for Argentinian Government, for that matter, what sort of a people would live under a system that legislates to control your dead.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I genuinely believe that Cristina is a genuinely compassionate leader and a good person, lest we forget she put human rights at the centre of her presidency, and she is trying to do the best thing for the bereaved by getting their relatives identified so they can have closure. Now it seems some of the families would prefer not to know, and I suppose in something as sensitive as this there can never be consenus, but I'm sure, unreportedby mercopress, that there will also be families who support Cristina's efforts on their behalf. I hope some compromise can be found that all the families of the dead can agree with, but if the position of this group is that no-one should be identified then thats probably going to be hard to square with those who want to identify their own relatives
Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think it's that the families “don't want to know” - it seems to be that they would rather simply leave sleeping dogs lie and not have old healed wounds ripped open again 30 years later.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0People grieve in all sorts of ways. Thirty years later I don't think it would bother me if a relative were identified but I don't think I would particularly be pushing for that to happen either.
The point is that the narcissistic President CFKC did not even consider asking the families before trying to make political capital out of their dead relatives.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 EB
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Totaly agree, sickening is it not. Can not for the life of me understand why it suprises me, for that matter I can not understand why they would put up with it either. I must have led a sheltered life.
@7 At least the families are speaking out. That is a start.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#5 “People grieve in all sorts of ways”
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly. So Cristina's sincere attempts to help may not be appreciated by all, as in this case one size will definately not fit all, but that doesn't make it a narcissistic reopening of old wounds
It's another cynical political ploy to keep the issue in the press, No sincere motives here.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They should all be laid to rest together with the Belgrano.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFKChavez doesn't do sincerity, she studied psychology before switching to a law degree (though no one has ever been able to produce evidence of her graduating) so she knows how to manipulate without feeling. Maybe she switched when she recognised her own personality disorders.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the government was anything other than a group of sychophants jumping to the tune of a dictator, the first action would have been to approach the families of the dead to discuss their wishes. But, of course, CFKC believes her wishes are paramount. Narcissist much.
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Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two questions... when wasn't this a festival of bones? if they're digging them up why not make a nice cemetary in Mendoza where they can all be placed and they can go visit them without wearing Argentinian flags and jumping about in the streets rudely shouting at locals?
Apr 26th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they're going to keep digging them up and burying them, and digging them up and burying them at the whim of the Darth-du-jour, then why not do it somewhere more convenient?
#12 ”CFKChavez doesn't do sincerity, she studied psychology before switching to a law degree (though no one has ever been able to produce evidence of her graduating) so she knows how to manipulate without feeling. Maybe she switched when she recognised her own personality disorders”
Apr 26th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course a background in psychology could just as easily be cited as proof of a caring nature and desire to be a doctor. Or maybe it proves nothing more than some interest in the subject. As for the old canard of her law degree I read it has actually been put to rest and a document produced, but just like the birthers with Obama (like Stefan on here) don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. As for her “personality disorders”, give it a break, we know you don't like her radical policies, understandably given your class position, but this constant personalisation is getting tedious. You're the one who comes across as an amateur psychologist, not Cristina =)
What kfc need is a phsychiatrist and not an amateur one either.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15 Doctors are psychiatrists, not psychologists. They're different fields of study. If you wanted to be a doctor, you wouldn't study psychology, and it has nothing to do with being caring if you take the Prison experiments as an example.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was never actually settled about the law degree. A letter was produced stating she had one but no actual document. Some might consider that settled but I don't.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My class? : ) You know nothing about me.
Anyone serving in public office should be held up to scrutiny and their policies examined. They should be discussed openly and that is exactly the purpose of this board. To discuss news stories and express opinions on the stories and the people featuring in the stories. However, creepy obsessions are best kept private.
@4 Actually, she's a manipulative, pig-ignorant piece of shit. And should be treated accordingly.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do the sensible thing. Dig 'em up. Forensic examination. Load 'em into a container. Ship to argieland under Falklands flag. Argieland refuses to accept? Dump the container over the side. Destroy argie bone dump. No more argie “family” spies entering the Islands.
The reason so many are unidentified in the first place was due to the lack of 'dog tags' (alloy identity tags) that were not issued to many of the conscript soldiers and the general lack of care and sheer contempt by the 'Officer' class to the lower ranks. This never occured with one single British soldier, sailor or airman. Its a shame and heatbreaking to see the graves marked 'known unto God'. The families know that many British veterans who visit the cemetery respect their former enemies fallen as well as their own. Sadly too, without 100% agreement to DNA test every single unknown remains it will never happen, so why even stir up the ghosts of the past, let them rest in peace, known unto God. They will never be forgotten, least of all by their poor families.
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Apr 26th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lest say the truth. C. f. k. adquated by decree the commission of veterans of the war of 1982, which is going to start to be considered like a civil commission, that was what annoyed trejo, because the commission wont have a militar representant. Beside, some of the former veterans who answer to him are the same who hit diaz bancalari last february, and hit also the edgardo esteban last sunday, who is a former veteran too. Between trejo's allies there are criminals who were accused of crimes against lesa humanity, there are also people who vindicates the war of 1982, and deffend pedro giachino, who was the firts argentine soldier who died in the islands in 1982, but since a few years ago, it could be known that he was also a torturer during the last dictatorship, on the other hand, between trejo's allies there are also carapintadas, (people who tried a coup d'etat in 1989 against ricardo alfonsin's government.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding the question of the identiffication of the soldiers, who are buried at the darwin cemetery, i think that they should be identiffied, because everybody has right to a sacred sepulture, and to have his name writen on a grave, but i respect those people who dont think like me.
I would imagine all the dead are spinning in their graves having the Mad Bitch herself being “the only referent and custodian of the Darwin cemetery and the remains”.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a digusting state of affairs.
agreed
Apr 26th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0either dig them up, and take them back,
or leave them in peace,
but dont keep insuting them.
What does “only referent and cutodian” mean exactly in plain english?
Apr 26th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 012 ElaineB
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm with you on this one. KFC is neither acting in the best interests of her people ( actually, she has never done that, but more so in this case ) and neither is she “genuinely compassionate” or is “she trying to do the best thing for the bereaved”.
The woman is a ghoul. some evil low life, midnight hag, who is using her dead countrymen who laid down their lives in a war they didn't want, in a game of political one-upmanship.
Are there no depth that this woman won't sink to?
Just 'cos she wakes up one morning and wonders how she can be seen to “do the right thing” what? All the families of those dead servicemen have got to grieve again to suit her political whim?
She is unthinking, uncaring, insensitive and narcissistic.
But then again, really? Did we expect anything else? not really.........
123 known unto god. What is that? 1/3 of the men buried there. This war took place at the end of the 20th century on an Island in the South Atlantic. These sort of figures belong on a Flanders field at the beginning of it. This is down to the criminal neglect of the Argentinian Governments past and current.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 04 British Kirchner : Cristina is about as compassionate as a cat is with a mouse.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She only cares about the human rights of criminals and trash , not ordinary Argtards .
Fek me , if the “ Malvinense ” website are against her now she is really
showing what a crap populist politician she is .
The Red Cross should come , dig up your dead , take them to some forensic lab , ID them and return them to their mothers in front of your
pathetic mawkish news stations like “ Cronic TV ” .
I would love to see her trying to stop that .
She wouldn't , of course , she would twist the whole thing and take the credit , but if it removes an excuse for Argtards going to the FI and upsetting the populace , hell , crack on and do it , I say.
And what has she done about the other argentine dead, buries in other parts of the world,
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is she careing enough to give them the same treatmen.
The Argentine Government want to examine sorry..... identify the bodies more so than the families involved, I wonder why?
Apr 26th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hideous ghoul-lady is hideous.
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, she does have the support of the families in ghoulishly digging up their kin for political reasons, so I guess the mental health issues are widespread.
I'm just happy I don't live there, with those people.
#22 Very interesting, thanks for sharing this info. Wish mercopress had given the full context, but then it would be harder to put the worst possible spin on Cristina's every move...
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is interesting that KFC would want to this. Surely she must realise that if they manage to identify the dead buried at Darwin, there will be a lot of bereaved families who still don't know where their sons, brothers & fathers are? This could open up a whole can of worms for her. I doubt that I am alone in not accepting the number they give as the true number of their dead. I think that things should be left the way they are, at least it means that those who don't know where their family member is buried can identify with a cross in the cemetary. And people say I'm not very nice!!
Apr 26th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 022Axel : Argentina , the “ Land that lost its heroes ”
Apr 26th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You name classrooms and parks after war heroes , then you lock them up for torturing and killing your parents .
Must get very confusing , both for the veterans themselves and the people .
What CFK should do is this :
Apologise for the war , after all , it was a Junta thing , not her .
Renounce Argentina's claim to the Islands
Negotiate the return of the bodies , identify them , return them to the families .
Solemny promise not to mess with Britain or the Islands again .
If she did all this , she would probably get the Nobel Peace Prize .
WTF is a Malvinas family?
Apr 27th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jesus these people love to be setimental about a place that doesn't even fucking exist. It ain't normal.
The families were robbed of these men in the same way tens of thousands of Argentine families were robbed of their children by a fascist military junta.
WAKE UP ARGENTINA THE WORLD IS LOOKING AT YOUR FANATICAL NATIONALISM AND IT ISN'T A NICE SIGHT.
@34 I think you're right. She clearly ticks all the boxes for getting a Knobel Not-peace Prize, she even ticks the 'supports agressive expansionism' extra box.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0USURPING PIRATE.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I value so much what c. f. k's governmet did to improve the situation of our soldiers. But what i told in my last comment, was to make know about what's behind the actions of that guy, beside people in the whole world must know that argentine soldiers were tortured also in the islands by their bosses, those bosses were criminals, and everybody must know that. Some of the people who i told in my comment are allies of that guy (trejo), on the other hand, i think that arg. should apologize the islanders for the war of 1982.
Many - maybe 50% - of the graves at Darwin are marked as unknown soldiers but for many of the bereaved Argentine families the graves are not unknown. They have adopted graves in memory of their lost boys and decorated them with personal family momentos. I think it would be brutal to proceed with exhumation without full agreement of the families.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the wishes of the families must be considered. again she should have consulted the famlies first before saying what she said. I can understand the reasoning of trying to find out. I also understand the flip side. I was a soldier for 10 years and I asked my family if anything were to of happened to me they were bury me, mourne and move on. Just like many of the families have already. I feel for any family that has lost a relative in service. Regardless of nationallity. Best wishes go to the families of the casualities of war on both sides.
Apr 27th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is always an agenda with Cristina , or any argentine government for that matter.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0They will use any negotiations over this issue to try to discuss sovereignty.
The British mistake was to leave the Argentine dead in the FI , especially as Argentina's stance was “ They are on Argentine soil already ” that provocative statement alone should have been enough to compel the British to load the coffins onto the Canberra with the returning prisoners . Now , they are an immovable beach head .
Nothing will happen over this for the same reasons as other on going issues .
1 ) Argentina refuses to recognise FIG .
2) It suits Cristina , as its “ dialogue ” .
I would add that in Argentina the remains of the dead have been used as bargaining chips before , for example Evita's and then Aramburu's remains . All very bizarre , but a very interesting topic if you want to understand the psyche of these lunatics.
I thought that one of the reasons the Junta “ disappeared ” people was to use the remains as bargaining chips at a later date , but this does not seem to have happened .Maybe RG posters can correct me on this
Finally , I would like to quote Kemal Attaturk , regarding the dead British and Anzacs at Gallipoli, taken from a speech in the 1930's , so 15-20 years after WWI . The Argentine people could learn something from this .
“Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives...you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us, where they lie, side by side here in this country of ours. You, the mothers who sent their sons from faraway countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosum and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land, they have become our sons as well.”
The Islanders will never be able to say the same about the dead at Darwin , because you will not let them.
USURPING PIRATE.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I respect your opinion and understand it, but i dont agree on it, beside i'ts full of prejudgements. Firstly, i dont think that c. f. k is using this question just to try to discuss about sovereignty, dont worry about that, neather your cameron nor any other prime minister wont never discuss about soverignty, and we all know it. On the other hand, the sovereignty doesn't have anything to do with the identiffication of the bodies that are buried in darwin. Beside, c. f. k's government and nestor kirchner's were the governments that made the most in order to improve the situation of the veterans, that's why many of them support her. You shoul know more about our situation before having any conclution.
Axel : The British always pre judge any argentine initiative because there is always the demand for sovereignty to go with it .
Apr 28th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get Cristina to apologize for the invasion of '82 , re-write the constitution dropping the amendment on the claim to the islands , tell your primary school teachers to stop brainwashing children , compensate the veterans for the shit they went through and then lets have a dialogue about DNA identification .
The people of the Falklands have been there for 9 generations , you have been in Argentina for 3 generations .They are not going , and the nor the UN or the Pope , or security council are going to make them go . You seem to accept this , shame the rest of the regulas RG posters do not realize this .
The Montoneros started the trade in bodies in 1973 when they stole Aramburu's body and demanded the return of Evita's body in return , this has given them the idea that bodies are some sort of currency . The government is made up of Montoneros , we know how they think .
The return of Evita's body in '73 and the Malvinas issue are both the same , meaningless symbolism that will not improve the day to day lives of the Argentines one iota , but is good for politicians .
@ 40 Usurping Pirate
Apr 29th, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ref your last paragraph, good for you. So true. A very moving observation.
@ 41 Axel Arg
I have met a few Argentine veterans and I can assure you that they have received little or no support in their own country. Whatever it is you are doing, it is too little and too late. Those men deserve more respect than being made into some media driven sideshow. Shame on you.
USURPER PIRATE. HONORIA.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You both are just two ignorants who know so little about us.
Firstly, since 9 years ago, the state made a lot in order to improve the situation of the veterans, if you insist wit the assertion that the state made so little for them, that shows that you are very missinformed. Anyway the are some veterans, who didn't fight in the war of 1982, but they were transfered to the south of our country, and who have always clamed for a recognizement, i dont know if they should receive any compesation, i should think deeply about it. Beside, do you think that only our side omits information respecting the history of the islands?, dont you think that maybe your children are not being brainwashed too?. Accepted it or not, the history is always submitted to omisions in all the countries, that's why it's so important to investigate, i made two exhaustive investigations about the historic and the legal aspects of the conflict, beside i read the statements of the representants of both sides before the decolinization committee every year, and i must say that i could see that both omit very important information, so, if you think that only our side omits information, that shows the mediocre thought that some of you have.
On the other hand, the article of our constitution only says that arg. must recover the full sovereignty, under the respect for the international right, it's obvious that we are going to claim for the sovereignty, because it's the main problem, which must be discussed, and find a fair solution for both people. If we would share the sovereignty with the u. k, which would be for me a fair solution, we would exercise our full sovereignty. Finally, let me tell you that neather cristina nor nestor kirchner were montoneros, only some of the deputies and a few ministers were montoneros, during the decade of the 70's the kirchner were peronist-leftist activists, but not guerrileros. STUDY and dont parrot neather lies nor partial truthes.
44 axel arg (#)
Apr 30th, 2012 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seeing that you are so well informed and well read I suspect that the complexities of RG politics and history are beyond most people from outside of your nation and thus, it is only your opinion that is worth a damn unless you have spent years sitting in libraries making a whole study of it.
You are pre-judging our knowledge and experience, if I say I know that many veterans have been badly treated then its because I know that they have because I have seen and heard them complaining about it. You must like Christina to back her so much. she can do no wrong? Or am I wrong?
BRITISHLION.
Apr 30th, 2012 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know perfectly about the way that the veterans were treated, there is a lot more to say about it. Firstly, we must separate the veterans who really fought in the war if 1982, who some of them suffered the atrocities of their bosses, who humilliated them, and tortured them, from the people who was just transfered to the south of the country and who never fought in the war, they only stayed in the mainland, our government has always clarified that it will always continue compasating only the veterans who really fought in the war. I dont know if those people who didn't fight in the war should have any compesation, i think it's necesary a debate about it. On the other hand, i have read all my life about history and about this conflict, because i have always been interested in it, beside in the last two years i made two exhaustive investigations about the historic and the legal aspects of the conflict, which are based on the academic knowledge of argentine and british professors of international right. On the other hand, i have always expressed that i support cristina's government, but at the same time i have never denied that her administration has some negative aspects too, and i have always criticised them, because i'm not neather drivel nor stupid. In your case, i think you are just missinformed, like some of your compatriots, who have such a very partial knowledge about our situation, and give opinions.
Veterans have been basically left to there own. I know this as I have spoken to some of them. Many are in quite bad shape mentally and receive no help at all.
Apr 30th, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 046 axel arg (#)
Apr 30th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fair point Axel, I agree that the non combatants should not try and gain compensation if they are unhurt through their service and spent the war within their own borders doing nothing other than picking their noses waiting for orders. This does not detract drom the poor treatment of the genuine veterans who are owed so much. I also respect your keen interest in history and obvious knowledge on the subject matter in debate. I should present you my qualifications to make an opinion in the interests of fairness. I am a British veteran who served in the battle of Mt. Longdon and was seriously wounded in that battle. I have taken up a keen interest in the history of the islands and of Argentina. I admit I am non academic or a history expert, however, I have been to BA and met many former Argentine veterans who have became friends and have revisited the islands many times since the war. I have a vested interest in the Falkland Islands having been damaged mentally and physically in regaining their sovereignty and having lost so many dear friends because of that senseless war. This is why I am so harsh when making a response on this forum, because like you, I dislike ignorant thoughtless opinions made by idiots who know nothing about the subject. I offer you my best wishes.
@48
May 01st, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0How old were you at the time BritishLion?
49 mendoc (#)
May 01st, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was 25 then, why do you ask mendoc?
BRITISHLION.
May 01st, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you so much, i offer you also my best wishes. On the other hand, i want to clarify that i am not historian, i am student of geography and english, i made two investigations because i want to use unless one of them for one of the subjects of my course, beside i have always been interested in this question, and i decided to investigate because i have never believed in our official history, unfortunatelly it will always be submited to omissions in all the countries, regards.
Just interested. I was 11 so a bit too young to really remember much. The Argentines were said to be young and I saw a documentary about the British Mistakes during the war and noticed that some RMarines were 17 the same age as the Argentines.
May 01st, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 044 Axel : I never said that Nestor or Cristina were guerilleros , because as everyone knows , they were in Santa Cruz profiting from the desaparecidos misfortune , by buying their property at bargain prices .
May 01st, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I may be a gringo , but I didn't float down the Parana on a yerba leaf....
As regards British children being brainwashed ...99% wouldn't even find the Falklands on a map , let alone know anything about the subject .
Most don't even know who Churchill was .We leave nationalist revisionist history to nuts like Holocaust deniers and the argentines .
2500 FI citizens want nothing to do with Argentina .They have been there for 9 generations , mass immigration to Argentina only started in 1890 , so 3 or 4 generations ago .
Is that so difficult to understand ?
#53 “they were in Santa Cruz profiting from the desaparecidos misfortune , by buying their property at bargain prices”
May 01st, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what a disgusting lie that is, you should be ashamed
52 mendoc (#)
May 01st, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see, yes the average age of both sides were about the same, about 18 - 19. My unit lost a young 17 year old killed in action on Mt. Longdon. We had a fair number of young men that age in the rifle companies, fresh from the training establishments. They would not allow it now, too young to vote for the arse wipes that send them to war, too young to buy beer, but, old enough to die on the battlefield. I enlisted as a 15 year old boy soldier and was shaped and groomed into the fighting man they wanted. I never seen active serice until I was 19. Luck of the draw when there has been little peace to enjoy.
That's intersting because the Argentines say that they sent “boys” against “men” but if the average ages were about the same that kind of refutes that assumption. Since I live in Argentina I like to have “facts” to hand when discussing the falklands.
May 01st, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 056 mendoc (#)
May 02nd, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The main problem that the Argentine army had was not the age of its men/boys, however, more like the difference in skill levels. They were mainly conscript troops who were fighting against British Paratroopers & Royal Marines. If Carlsberg did 'crack infantry units' they would use the British Parachute Regiment, to use an amusing comparison. What was not very funny was the way that the Argentine conscript soldiers were treated by their own officers. By the time we got to them they were already half starved and left to beg and steal food and shelter from the local population even though there was plenty of food stock piled in Stanley. They were told all kinds of rubbish (that they blindly believed) about the British if they were captured. When they became POW's, they were surprised by how well they were treated, exactly as laid down by the Geneva Convention. There was also many of them bemused by how relaxed and at ease the British ordinary soldiers were with their Officers.
Many of them fought well, however, on Longdon, they were bolstered by a platoon of proffesional Argentine Marines. You are right to ignore the boys v men excuse for lost battles, this has nothing at all to do with the defeat and is just another cover up lie.
There is a funny rumour that I heard. some Argentine truly believe that the British soldiers used to eat the arms and legs off the dead Argentine Soldiers. I have tried my best to say it wasn't true ( it wasn't was it?) :)
May 02nd, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 058 mendoc (#)
May 02nd, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They became victims of their own propaganda. They were told that they would be executed and if the Ghurka Regiment caught them, eaten by them. All complete rubbish and the result was that they were terified of the British and instead of fighting harder for their lives, abandoned their posts and fled.
54 British Kirchnerist : Its fact. The K's didn't give a stuff about desaparecidos till he became president .
May 02nd, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He was very pally with the military during the dictatorship .
USURPING PIRATE.
May 02nd, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The capacity that you have in order to analyse politic issues, is pathetic really, you show once and again that you are not only missinformed, you just see what you want to see.
Firstly, it's not true that the kirchner didn't care about the desaparecidos till they became presidents, that's actually an idot lie which is parroted by the most conservative sectors of our society who hate the k hiterically, because they won't never forgive them the fact that nestor kirchner's government recalled the laws that protected the repressors of the last dictatorship.
During the dictatorship some of their partners from the university were dissapeared, beside, nestor and cristina gave assilum in their house to one of their friends, who finished dissapeared some time later. Beside, there are videos of 1983 were they criticised the dictatorship, and said the the junta should be judged and sentenced. On the other hand, the fight for human rights is not based on putting the repressors in prison only, the issues that reffer to human rights are very ample, and nobody can deny that they made so much for human rights, but still there is a lot to do because we are a very unequeal society, and there are also very hard problematics that must be solved.
Respecting your comment 53, i know that the islanders take 9 generations living in the islands, however the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., all the resolutions have called the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, it means that if the islanders want to remain under british government, nobody can change that, but it doesn't mean that we can't find a peaceful and fair solution for the sovereignty issue, which is the main problem. Is it so hard to understand?, of course it's not, your problem is that your side, doesn't want any fair solution, sorry, but if you insist with your intransigence, we are going to keep on having problems, so, dont complain.
“He was very pally with the military during the dictatorship”
May 02nd, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats why he kept getting arrested then?
Axel / B-K : Nestor was arrested once .He was detained for 72 hours in 1977 .No harm came to him .
May 03rd, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no evidence the K's sheltered anyone .
Everyone knew someone who disappeared , knowing of a desaparecido does not make you a militant .
Nor did their law practice act on behalf of any desaparecidos on habeas corpus or human rights issues .
They did however act on behalf of a police officer who was a serial rapist of under age girls.
Between 1977-82 they bought 22 properties at knockdown prices , with the co-operation of the local (military) authorities
This does not come from the conservative opposition , but Daniel Gatti who was a Montonero and spent time in jail during the dictatorship .
http://www.cerromercedario.com/2008/03/los-kirchner-durante-los-aos-de.html
C'mon Axel the bookshops in downtown Buenos Aires are full of books about this , so stop being a defender of the indefensible and grow up.
You sound like Goebbels.
USURPING PIRATE.
May 03rd, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can ignore it as much ass you like, i didn't say actually that the kichner were heroes during the dictatorship, they just gave assilum in their house to one friend who finished dissaperaed, no more. Anyway, the fight for human rights is not based on putting videla in prison only, the question is much more ample. I know perfectly about the fortune that they started to make during the last dictatorship, in fact when nestor kirchner left prison, he told cristina that he wanted to start to make money because he wanted to be the governor from santa cruz, so, you are no saying nothing new. Beside, if the kichrner were heroes during the dictatorship or not, it's not so relevant. The elimination of the laws that protected the criminals of the dictatorship, was a moral debt of the argentine democracy, whoever won the elections in 2003, the president had the obligation of eliminating those shamefull laws. Before kirchner only raul alfonsin could make the militar junta to be judged, but he cuould not achieve the repressors to be judged too, in fact, he was forced to declare an amnesty. In 2003, nobody asked kichrner to eliminate the laws that protected the repressors, in that monent the half of our population was eating from the garbage, the 54% of or people was poor. So, the elimination of those laws wasn't a priority for us in that time, however if he asked the congress to eliminate those laws, it because he wanted to comply with the moral debt that argentine democracy had with we all. Your problem, is that the hate that you feel for the kichrner, doen't let you see the whole history, i dont know if i sound like goebels or not, but i tell the whole history, you can agree or not with my oinions, but dont tell just the half of the question like you do.
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