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Brazil will increase military presence in the Amazon to protect natural resources
Brazil will boost its military presence in the Amazon region to protect its huge natural resources from any external threat, Defence Minister Celso Amorim told the Senate on Thursday. Read full article
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Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Following the British turnips “Self-Determination” logic used so frequently in these pages to justify the squatting of the Malvinas Islands………….:
There would be no reason why the 11,000 Mennonites of Brazil couldn’t claim “Self-Determination” over half of the Amazonas Basin and make a nice and cozy Defense and Commerce agreement with Germany…………
Or what about……:
The 1,500,000 nipo-brasileiro Japanese claiming “Self-Determination” for a nice chunk of the São Paulo state and ”Freely Associating” with Japan?
“The 1,500,000 nipo-brasileiro Japanese claiming “Self-Determination” for a nice chunk of the São Paulo state and ”Freely Associating” with Japan? ”
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nah, they are too Brazilian and that 1,500.000 of nipo-brasileiros is a number of nipo-paulistanos in the city of Sao Paulo ( area Liberdade ). Imagine how many more their are only in the state of Sao Paulo.
“There would be no reason why the 11,000 Mennonites of Brazil couldn’t claim “Self-Determination” over half of the Amazonas Basin and make a nice and cozy Defense and Commerce agreement with Germany…………”
11.000? You would shocked how many there are in the states of Amazonas, Mato Grosso and Mato Grosso do Sul.
Anyway Think, most ugly brits are brain dead and prefer pay attention to what's happening outside that dump called the UK (which is bankrupt..keep printing boys, keep spending reckless, keep bailing out the broken banks, more austerity measures and keep believing that there is no inflation) by watching BBC and Sky news. You can't blame them for not knowing a continent they never visited and never will visit.
I'm always carefull and conservative with my numbers......
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not like so many others in here, Mr. Fido Dido.......
None mentioned; none forgotten....
Wikipedia must be updated !
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Japanese Brasilians are 1.593.012........!
You are full of sweetness & light today, aren't you haughty Think?
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whats the matter?
Has it finally dawned on you that Argentina is sinking fast & you'll never get your grubby, thieving hands on the Falklands? lol.
As for you, Fido, ungrateful Dutchie,
l shall regard your ridiculous remarks with the utter contempt that they so thoroughly deserve.
Can I recommend 'Captain Pantoja and the Special Service' by Mario Vargas Llosa.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0It deals with Captain Pantoja's astonishing efficiency campaign to provide prostitution services for quelling the sexual desires of the Peruvian army soldiers stationed in what is portrayed as an incredibly aphrodisiacal Amazon jungle.
It worked so well for the Peruvians in Amazonia (initially ;-)
..... Brasilian Defence Minister Celso Amorim might adopt the same approach to quell the excesses, both internal and external, in Brasilian Amazonia.
A great read - enjoy!
Everything building for the biggest environmental disaster the world has ever seen
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just as Vladimir Putin fears the impact of United States and European “democracy - building” initiatives on his regime in Russia, so does Brazil now fear same US/European (especially US) regions' attempts to control and constrain Amazon development with NGO campaigns countering development impacts on the Amazon environment and the Amazonian aboriginal communities. While a 5-year old hoax in Brazil saw US geography texts with the Amazon as US territory (http://bigthink.com/ideas/21268), the recent NGO campaigns are probably occupying the minds of Brazilian politician and pro-development groups now (http://bigthink.com/ideas/21268),
Apr 28th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that Brasil is more concerned about its South American contiguities in Amazonia -
Apr 28th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bolivia, Peru, Colombia, Venezuela, Guyana, Surinam, and French Guiana -
where porous borders make for an undefensible nation, and drugs and contraband move without control.
Equally, the inability of Federal Brasil to control the excesses of the Brasilian 'logging industry' and the ranching/agro-industry enterprises that are hacking away thousands of square miles of carbon-sink rainforest, presents a real risk of world opprobrium in these days of carbon-economies.
Perhaps Amorim is also afraid that, if the Brasilian government can't control its own people's excesses, then the likes of the USA will attempt to do it for them - all in the better interest of the whole world's survival.
The world's biggest environmental disaster has already occured. It was perpetrated by Europe and the USA cutting over 1/3 of their forests and taking 95% of wild grasslands to make agricultural lots. This caused a 12% frop in oxygen production in the Northern Hemisphere, a 300% rise in carbon dioxide and 1600% in methane (due to human burning and the effects of industrial farming). It is estimated 10,000 species native to Europe and North America went extinct in since 1700. And worldwide CO2 concentrations went from 260 parts per million in 1750 to 350 in 1960, the year when emerging market industrialization is said to have begun (meaning, all the rise in CO2 before that was caused by the first industrial wave)... 80% of the acid rain that falls in the world falls in northwestern Europe and the northeastern USA/Canada.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would say to Brazil, build nukes and build rockets and get some serious intelligence to sneak in suitcase nukes. If the USA or Europe land even one boot in your amazon, I'd say vaporize them. I've had enough of USA/European hypocrisy on the environment, they live in continents completely ravaged by depredation, deforestation, and pollution.
(10) Tobias
Apr 28th, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for that comment.
You saved me a lot of typing
10 felicitado
& 10
Apr 28th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You and your ignorant friends should know that the most dangerous item is not CO2.....for the World's nature.
Well, I pulled #9 'up the flagpole to see who saluted'
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.... expecting Think, of course,
but never expected Tobi #10.
Tobi's first part is uncontroversial, it's called population increase, food production, urbanisation, industrialisation (Consensus: “Could do better”)
but his rider paragraph reminds me of a certain British poster...
It's a good job people can't do these things with the just power of thought; blog posters would have devastated the world many times over in the first few minutes of postings on virtually any topic!
@12
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then why all the moaning about the Amazon? The worst that happens is a cut in oxygen production for the atmosphere. Not too bad.
@13
So why is it so controversial (population increase, food production, urbanization, industrialization), when it is India, Russia, China, Brazil, Mexico and Africa that are doing it?
& 14
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As we know the trees produce oxygen during daytime ,produce Co2 during nighttime.
I'm afraid Brazil is the 5th largest of the world and yes Brazil doesn't trust on the States and have strong reasons for that.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wish Brazil and United States could work together like they did on WWII and Haiti but like I said Brazil wouldn't risk its sovereignty.
It's good to see that there is a plan of cooperation with Peru and Colombia, help is always welcome.
Tobi #14
Apr 29th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0there is SO much to say about your posting at #10,
but this is not the site or the topic.
[You will find my postings on climate change sites, especially BBC environment archive over the last five years.]
Methane sourcing- clathrates and livestock;
CO2 fluxes - 'natural' and anthropogenic;
O2:CO2 fluxes - rainforest, urban, etc.;
carbon sinks and turnover;
acid rain sources and deposition geographies,
..... and all of these and more related to
population increase,
food production,
de/afforestations,
urbanisation,
industrialisation,
and national/supranational economics, politics, legislations, policies and practices.
... Hard to know where to start! ... Don't think I'll go there.
@8 JohnN
Apr 29th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting thought in that article, independent Amazon country with a majority Indian population.
Might not be the Brazilians fighting the Americans in the Jungle, but the Brazilians fighting the Indians in their jungle, supplied by the US.
@10 tobias
When they began direct measurements of CO2 in the Atmosphere in the early seventies, the level was 317ppm. Currently it is shooting through 400ppm.
If this continues there will be serious consequences for everybody.
If the developing world continues to develop using the Victorian technology the west did, this will continue.
You are right about the environmental damage as a result of industrialisation in the west, however some serious efforts are now being made to correct this, where possible.
It is not compulsory for developing countries to make all the same mistakes the west did, all over again. They have the opportunity to do things differently, a better way for them and their environments.
Throwing Nukes about is not going to help anybodies environment, just ask the Japanese. A Conqueror moment there.
Good, P-H.
Apr 30th, 2012 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 018: As we see in news, Brazilian Aboriginal peoples are being decimated by Brazilian land-owner goon squads who will murder and pillage in order to maintain their right to destroy these “lungs of the planet”. Whoever steps in to slow the slaughter should be given high praise - whether its US, European or Brazilians who resist the occupation of Aboriginal territories by colonialist Brazilian fascist developers and their lick-spittle subaltern henchmen.
Apr 30th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0” .... While a 5-year old hoax in Brazil saw US geography texts with the Amazon as US territory (bigthink.com/ideas/21268), .........(www.brazzil.com/component/content/article/241-january-2012/10550-how-brazil-is-getting-ready-to-crush-an-expected-us-invasion-of-the-amazon.html).” JohnN #8
Apr 30th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Both articles are - as you well know - spoofs via 'John Deal' at www.brazilbrazil.com
I don't think your comments add much to the sum total of human knowledge and attitudes ..... quite the reverse, in fact.
@21 GeoffWard2,
May 01st, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0l believe the Congo in Africa is one of the “lungs of the world” too.
Could that be why theres little western developement there?
The jungle is reclaiming the roads according to one book l read.
The west wants to keep the Congo as undeveloped as possible & tough for the population?
Politics is a dirty business.
Hi Isolde,
May 01st, 2012 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0re. #21, I am a bit 'Ides of March' today ..... “Doom, Doom” (to quote the maniacal Scotsman):
The heart of darkness is not protected for Machiavellian self-serving 'Western' reasons,
and the politics and power-dynamics of the The Democratic Republic of the Congo militate against this.
Population increases and the inheritance problems of land ownership will 'do for ' the DRC just as it has for Ruanda, etc.
Size, isolation and the relative starting populations means it will just take a little longer in the DRC.
China will build the DRC roads, railways and ports for raw materials; the country will be opened up, and all the rest will follow within - say - 100 years.... the blink of an ecological eye, but unbelievably long for presidents and politicians.
With the loss of the rainforest, the soil fertility will be low, erosions high, agriculture will decline and, with raw materials stripped out - there will be no money to buy food on the world markets .... population drops through starvations and health problems;
blighted low-productive landscapes, like Haiti.
A century hence, the inhabitants will look back on today as the 'good times'.
Sad.
Not to mention a series of vicious war fought within the territory of The Congo.
May 01st, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Amorim says “Amazon”, but the issue might have more to do with the whole length of Brazil's borders, frontiers, cocaine and influence, and that its neighbours may be indeed a lot of the reason for the military build-up:
May 01st, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil's “gringo” problem: its borders:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/13/us-brazil-borders-idUSBRE83C0KB20120413
Good article, John #25.
May 01st, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Essential reading for most people interested in trying to make sense of border issues in South America.
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