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In a massive rally CFK reaffirms YPF seizure and thanks the opposition’s support
Argentine President Cristina Fernandez in a massive political rally on Friday defended her policy to seize YPF from Spain’s Repsol, thanked the opposition for their legislative support and called on the new generations to defend the “historic legacy”. Read full article
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Apr 28th, 2012 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0- As long its not about economic figures or she will sue you!
I wonder when she is going to stop cynically exploiting Argentinians sympathy over her husband and start wearing normal clothes?
Can any Argie provide me with a rational reason why CFK feels the need to have so many political rally?
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0From here it looks like she is trying to convince herself of something? Is she insecure?
“ must keep writing your own history!”
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a mantra Argentina seems to have no trouble following
#1 Xect This black widow is not only exploiting sympathy. She is trying to bring Nestor back from the dead.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's 'plans for farewell intercourse law so widows can have sex with DEAD husbands' branded a 'complete nonsense'
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 16:28 GMT, 27 April 2012
Alleged proposals to allow Argentine widows to legally have sex with their dead wives for up to six months after their death have been branded a 'complete nonsense'.
The controversial new 'farewell intercourse' law was claimed, in Argentine media, to be part of a raft of measures being introduced by the Peronist-dominated parliament.
Controversial: The 'farewell intercourse' law is 'a complete nonsense', according to sources
But sources inside the Argentinian Embassy in London have said the claims were 'completely false', and 'could never imagine it happening'.
The source said the proposal, if it even existed, had not reached the congress- although it was also admitted it could be the work of an extremist politician.
Although not officially rebutted, the claims that someone inside Argentina could introduce such a law provoked widespread skepticism.
It's fun to see all those Argentinians working hard at yet another La Campora rent-a-rally. Seemingly she's still trying to be Evita, deified by the followers of her rotund son.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0It would be pathetic if it wasn't so funny.
@Chicureo
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you for real? Do you print your own newspapers? Or are you just a news-generating server in a Malvinas bunker?
I've read some of your posts, and I got to admit, the only talent you possess is to be able to write a whole lot of nothing...
As Churchull would have said;
Never before have so few had so little to say in so many lines...
What a brilliant rally, wish I was there, alas I was in Britain out campaigning against the cuts, we do not have so much to celebrate here, but it lifts the spirits just to read about the Argentine miracle =)
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have seen this before. It was in the old flickering newsreels from a place called Nuremberg with a guy called Hitler. We all know what happened to him !
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 Her mawkish attachment to playing the widow-woman is just another indication of her failing mental health.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe her man has a fetish about woman in black.
I don't think here is a worthless gossip arena...!
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 amazing to see you people always refer to our leaders talking about your own... YOU are the invasive ones, YOU kill women and children for resources...
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 07 BK
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL! You are precious aren't you.
The Argentine miracle??? LOL! FSS!
@9 I don't think she's playing the widow-woman, I think her husband actually died 18 months ago. Or maybe it's just another of our SA conspiracy theories...
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0(6) Guzz
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Chicureo is quite “OK”
An ex-naval officer from our sister Republic of Chile that got the “MercoPress Itch” …. That is......: Enjoyng Trolling the Turnips.
He tried at first with the Argentinean turnips with bad results.
But he did fast became the Messi(as) of the British turnips!
They now firmly believe that we Argentineans are a bunch of Mandarin speaking necrophiliacs with a Tupolev 154 in our garages.
And to finish, a warning to you, my young Svenskyorugatupasön, be careful wit ElaineB....
She seems to be a “Cougar”..... always airing her calenture on these pages with her disrespectfull, smutty comments ;-)
@14 I didn't know whagt to make out of Chicureo, he seems to be a political wildling, being all over the place. That is fair enough though, cada cual hace de su culo un pito... :)
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Yes, I was in Argentina at the time of his death - though I claim no involvement - I was not in BsAs but a small town in the middle of nowhere. No one there seemed all that bothered. It was also the time of the census so everyone in Argentina had the day off (two days for teachers) and we had the whole town to ourselves for the morning. By lunchtime people emerged with their families to have picnics and general celebrations; there was no sign of mourning in that town.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is reasonable to wear mourning clothes for six month, one year at a push, but after that it is a worrying sign of mental instability. But we all know CFKC is mentally unstable.
I am sure she mourns him (when her man is not distracting her) and will continue to do so, they were together a long time, but there comes a time when it is unseemly to keep harping on about it in public. The woman has no style or class.
8 STRATEGICUS
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I have seen this before. It was in the old flickering newsreels from a place called Nuremberg with a guy called Hitler. We all know what happened to him !”
Also reminds me of a guy called Galtieri in 1982 & look what happened then.
@16 Mayhap CFK should ask you how long time she should mourn...
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just as you “know” CFK is mentally unstable, we “know” US and their allies planned 9/11 in order to start the war for resources... Aren't we all conspiracy nuts :)
The joke goes that Stalin, feeling the strain of being a dictator, wants a night out at the theatre. So he disguises himself and makes his way along to the nearest theatre.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Before the main show starts, a giant picture of Stalin is displayed and the national anthem is played. The whole audience stands up and applaudes . Stalin just stays seated, lapping this all up and thinking to himself how much everyone loves him.
The bloke standing next to him sees that Stalin is not on his feet and not clapping and leans over to him and says in horror “What are you doing comrade? We all feel like you feel, but it is better if you stand”
@19 And I ran out of corn flakes... what you think, müsli or crushed cookies for my milk?
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11 “YOU are the invasive ones, YOU kill women and children for resources...” If that were true, do you think you should be saying it? After all, the next place we invade could be where YOU live. The next lot of women and children we kill could be YOURS. Your wife, your son/daughter, your mother, your grandma. Probably best not to poke a lion with a sharp stick. We could decide to apply an old British saying and put YOU out of our misery!
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@14 Got one thing right. You are without doubt, amongst other things, necrophiliacs.
@16 You refer to “her man”. Is this new? Is she poking TinPotMan? Can't see him poking her. His “appendage” would probably melt.
@17 Don't forget Hussein and Gaddafi. It will all come to a bad end with CFK, if she survives, stumbling the the real debris-strewn streets of Buenos Aires (real as opposed to La Campora-provided debris) desperately seeking a puncture repair kit.
@18 See, the problem is Guzzle, is that, if we did what you imply, we're better at it than you are. Actually, there isn't anything where we aren't better than you!
@7 - British_Kirchnerist
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0”What a brilliant rally, wish I was there, alas I was in Britain out campaigning against the cuts, we do not have so much to celebrate here, but it lifts the spirits just to read about the Argentine miracle =)”
Why do you live in Britain if you hate the British? Sounds like you live a pathetic half life.
Also you say you were out campaigning against the cuts, where were you campaigning and for who? Which cuts are these exactly? There have been no cuts for over 12 months......
Alas, you're a liar, lying like the pathetic little weasel you are.....
@18 There is a difference between public and private mourning, something CFKC does not seem to want to understand.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0No conspiracy theory, it is common knowledge and commonly talked about by Argentines. You really should get out and mix with the general public more. Even people that support her believe she is suffering mental health issues and is highly medicated.
Or are you suggesting the Argentine people, including her supporters, are making up stories about CFKC?
@21 The lion is old and it's teeth are left on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan...
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0We know you are masters at killing, stealing, raping and torturing, nobody will ever put that to question...
I should just let you speak, you present and proove my case better than I ever could, another thing you do better (don't forget running up debts, that you do better aswell) :)
@19 toooldtodieyoung,
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Love it!
Joke=train rumbling along in the USSR,
Four people in a compartment.
1) NKVD Officer in uniform,
2)Old peasant
3)Old woman(his wife)
4)Teenage girl.
Nobody speaking because of the NKVD Captain,
Train enters a dark tunnel, no lights in compartment.
Everybody hears the sound of a long passionate kiss, then sound of a slapped face. Nobody moves.
Train comes out of the tunnel into daylight,
NKVD Captain is seen rubbing his red cheek.
Old woman thinks “what a brave little girl, a Captain in the NKVD kisses her & she slaps his face hard.”
Young girl thinks “why did the Captain kiss the old woman when he could have kissed me?”
The Captain thinks “l don't know who kissed who, but if l find out who belted me, its Siberia for sure!”
The old peasant thinks “lvan lvanovitch, you must be the smartest man in Russia. you kiss the back of your hand then smack a Captain in the face!” ta da!
@16 ElaineB,
lgnore our resident squatter Think.
Hes in one of those moods today.
His cat has probably sicked up on his expensive Persian carpet.
@24 - Actually Guzz unlike you, we repay out debts.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't get by, by lying, stealing (YPF) and refusing to repay our debts, that is what you do.
As for rape and murder, it wasn't the UK that murdered over 30,000 of its own citizens just over 30 years ago was it?
I'm afraid you've outdone nearly everyone when it comes to rape, murder, theft and lying.....
#22 I was in Glasgow. Perhaps I shouldn't have said alas, I love Glasgow and I love campaigning agaist the cuts; its just I'd have liked to be at the rally. Anyway best wishes to Cristina from the people's movement in Britain, hopefully one day we will have as much to celebrate as they do in Argentina.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0#25 Good joke =)
Elaine you really are an unpleasant person. Maybe Think is right about you being a cougar in which case you probably hate Cristina because you see her beauty and intelligence as a threat. Or maybe I'm just being an armchair psychologist. See how silly it looks =)
I'm confused British_Kirchnerist, can you explain what Argentina has to celebrate, impending sanctions and expulsion from several world trade bodies, half of your population on strike at different points over the past few months, your government having to borrow money to pay its debts and inflation at over 30%.....
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you could enlighten me?
@25 Isolde, Think has nothing useful to contribute here but his attempts at obtaining personal information but hurling insults is amusing.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@27 You are blinded by your creepy obsession, the woman is not attractive but that is irrelevent. My criticism is of her behaviour, mental instability and inability to run the country. That is exactly how she should be judged. Being President is not a beauty contest.
@26 Is that why you have a public debt of 9 TRILLION USD??? Because you repay it? Don't make me laugh...
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0As a son of a Tupamaro, I've lost a number of relatives fighting against the dictatorships imposed by YOUR ally (and the teat nation, most surely).
Don't try to teach me my own history, I know very well what happened, unlike you.
@ElaineB
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 01- “The woman has no style or class.”
Coming from a woman that likes to talk about male reproductive organs size in a public forum allow me please to doubt about your judgement over style and class lady.
2- All your critics towards CFC are based on superficial assumptions if you will have 1% of the intelligence and preparation that CFK has sure we will have a more constructive and interesting debate over here.
But I guess I’m asking too much...
4 chicoreo a chileno will never understand an argentinian woman, at 20, 30, widow, married, etc.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its a complicated case for you, so accostumed to chilenas being so “sumisas”
at least you have one, student Camila Vallejo showing other way. Of her category here are much but much more than one. we are a little more brave.
(25) Isolde
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Old woman THINKs”
“Young girl THINKs”
“The Captain THINKs”
“The old peasant THINKs”
“lgnore our resident squatter THINK.”
Five times..................?
Three times is enough to summon Don THINK, ma chérie ;-)
You really can’t get me out of your thoughts………............… can you?
Besides
No cats…. …………..
That’s for vixens like you…..
How many do you have .......Four?
And yes,…..My old Qashqai rug (and matching saddlebags) were surely not cheap in their time…..
@ 31 Wrong. I don't make assumptions, I reach conclusions having researched and spoken with numerous Argentines living in Argentina.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@34 Mayhap that's the problem, instead of reaching your own conclusions, you should try reading....
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0#6 Explaining my ownership of several news media outlets would expose my world wide empire which must remain confidential. I refuse to comment regarding the rumors of “Reality Check” sending me articles telepathically.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#10 You sir are a coward. I provided you the information you requested and you would not even answer a simple question. A pox upon your house…!
#14 Thank you for the kind thought of “…Argentineans are a bunch of Mandarin speaking necrophiliacs with a Tupolev 154 in our garages.” It truly describes my new vision for your country.
#16 I supposed to be wary of you, but I’m a bit old to be cougar bait. At least she’s more attractive than our previous president…
#19 & 25 Very good!
#32 “Think” and I agree that Camila Vallejo is an up and coming political force and we assume she’ll be a part of the probable Bachelet government.
I think Chicureo doesn't discriminate, he hates everyone equally...
Apr 28th, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 - If you know what happened then why not trying be truthful? Or are you saying you are aware of history but choose to only represent it in a very bias way?
Apr 28th, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for UK debt, every pence is repaid unlike your country that chooses to steal money it has borrowed in good faith.... The UK has never defaulted and then refused to repay the debt unlike Argentina, there is a reason the UK has the highest credit rating in the world and Argentina has junk grade credit.
@35. Reading comes under the RESEARCH part. But speaking to Argentines living under the CFKC's government is a valuable part of reaching conclusions.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 You mean those 9 trillions are repaid? Someone should tell that to your newspapers:
Apr 28th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-public-debt-soars-to-record-1632-trillion-2312695.html
If you think my information is biased, provide me with information stating Operacion Condor didn't happen as described in
www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcondor.htm
If you can't, I recommend you to read up on your own history before trying to educate people on their own...
9 TRILLION USD, that's 155.000 USD PER UK CITIZEN!!!!
You sincerely expect me to believe you can pay that???
Stop lying to yourself, I'm not bloody buying it...
Only reason you got good rates and SA has crap rates, is because you guys do the ratings...
#37 I actually do like some people on the eastern side of the Andes.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 You are wasting your time trying to explain the concept of debt and repayment as they just cannot understand the very simple rules. It does not matter the size of the debt but the ability and willingness to repay it over time and on time.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again for the slow learners, a basic example:
1) A person earning $50,000 per year has a $200,000 mortgage but does not make repayments, they have bad credit.
2) A person earning £100,000 per year but with a $1,000,000 mortgage and repays it on time every month, they have excellent credit, even though the debt is larger.
1) Would probably not get another mortgage or would have to pay very high rates of interest. 2) Would be able to borrow again at favourable rates.
It's quite simple really, you made the statement;
Apr 28th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We know you are masters at killing, stealing, raping and torturing, nobody will ever put that to question...”
And I challenged it because quite obviously it was incorrect.
As for UK debt, I don't think you really understand the context. Do you know how the debt is structured and when it has to be repaid? If so please provide me with a breakdown.
As for not you not buying it, well uninformed opinions of a single person really don't matter do they? As for lying, well if I am lying then so is every other respected financial body in the world that supports the UK position.
What matters is the world markets, the ratings agencies and international bodies (IMF, WTO, EU, USA) do, i.e. the people who matter. And its for the same reason international companies and organisations still consider the UK a safe heaven, buy our currency, store assets in the UK and invest heavily in UK economies.
As for Argentina's ratings, do you think your default and refusing to repay your debts has just a little to do with your rating?
I'm guessing whatever your job is, it has zero to do with economics....
Pueblo unido jamas sera vencido
Apr 28th, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have nothing but love for my chilean brothers and sisters
Free beer, choripan and $20 brings out a lot of well wishers!
Apr 28th, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then everyone has to go back to their cold house because there isn't any gas....that's the life for me! I am so jealous!
IMF on UK debt:
Apr 28th, 2012 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7976075/IMF-warns-over-UK-debt-in-call-for-global-fiscal-reform.html
WTO on UK (Euro) debt and consequences:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7976075/IMF-warns-over-UK-debt-in-call-for-global-fiscal-reform.html
Yes, I know how your debt works. You spend way over your budget and to cover the difference you sell “I O U” papers (called gilts). These IOU's comes with interests, hence you owe more and more for every minute that passes. What you say that you are good payers is a lot of crap, as you generate more debt in interests anually than Argentina owes in total.
Anything else?
(37) Guzz
Apr 28th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The “Chicureos” of Latinoamerica are an integral part of us.
As you and I are.
Most of them are a product of USA’s hegemonic power over our Continent.
USA did/does exactly the same as the Romans once did…
They “invited/hostaged” the young sons of the chieftains of the Gaul, Germanic, Slavic, Middle Eastern and North African tribes to Rome to instruct Roman values into them.
Many kept and applied those “civilized” values when returning home.
Many others though, reverted to the real stuff; their own, true values.
That’s the way the cookie crumbles…
Or, in more modern English….:
Shit happens….
(36) Chicureo
What the heck do you feed your girls in Chile nowadays?
Wish I was some 100 years younger…...
La Vallejo, pá ministra de Educación.
La Moreno, pá ministra de Musica.
The EU has Beethoven’s 5th....
We could really use his one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Q6Hf0MIaTPc
Yes, the facts still remain no matter how you try to twist them.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are simply ignoring all of the facts which is why fundamentally you have no argument and to top it all you posted an article that was before the UK reformed.
How much do you think Argentina owes in total then? I'm interested in this answer as I know the rough number.
As for comparing UK debt to Argentine debt;
UK GDP; 2,776,324
Argentine GDP; 447,644
And given the UK has less than 20 million more people you can see how formidable the UK's economy is vs Argentina's.
We are a stable economy with the highest credit rating in the world. Argentina on the other hand is a unstable economy with junk grade credit, inflation over 30% and still has international creditors waiting to be paid from over 10 years ago. The IMF closed its offices in Argentina and has been demanding for several years Argentina provides truthful figures and stops lying.
And to top it all in the midst of its latest (of many) financial melt-downs has stolen the largest company in Argentina.
Anything else?
@43 By the way, recession two terms in a row.... Isn't that referred to as a “technical recession”?
Apr 28th, 2012 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone know if the 200 idled factories have gas again and are back to work? Is that where this crowd came from since they're all laid off until the weather warms up?
Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mmmm I would love a choripan right about now
@48
Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me give your “economy” the same treatment I gave to the yanqui's yesterday:
As we all should be able to agree on, a country's wealth is made up of what the country owns, minus what they owe. Like any economy, this is all natural (I'm not richer because I borrow 1M from my neighbour, I only appear to be)
So, with this in mind, lets do the maths:
Population
UK : 63M
Arg: 42M
GDA per capita
UK: 35.900 USD
Arg: 17.400 USD
Public debt
UK: 9.8 Trillions (hehe)
Arg: 136 Billions
Debt per capita
UK: 155.556 USD
Arg: 3.238 USD
Now, lets take what we own and subtract what we owe
UK: 35.900 - 155.556 = -119.656 USD per capita
Arg: 17.400 - 3.238 = 14.162 USD per capita
See? The only reason (you too) uphold such standards of living is (lets say it in choir) YOU DON'T PAY YOUR DEBTS!!!
:)
I'm finding you really simple, when he say's 'lets do the math' he actually means lets do a childish, fundamentally flawed calculation!
Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And for those that can't seem how flawed his argument is;
UK GDP; 2,776,324
Argentine GDP; 447,644
Now what he completely fails to understand even though he has been told several times is, UK GDP supports the countries rolling debt which has maturities in excess of 50 years and unlike Argentina isn't crushing our economy forcing us into protectionist policies, lies and theft.
And lets clear one thing up the UK has paid every debt it owns, Argentina has not, it defaulted and refused to pay back debt which is still outstanding and what is worse is the 136 billion figure he quote excludes the unpaid debt.
How about you stop lying now eh?
And in support of my position I'm quoting all of the world bodies and ratings agencies, what evidence do you have for your position?
Oh thats right, none......
@52 Show me 1 (one) single link stating UK has paid its public debt (paying 9.8 Trillion USD, or about 1 Trillion Pounds Sterling would surely produce headlines, don't you think?) If you can't, stop lying.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm quoting
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/
yes, the CIA's own numbers, both on your debt and GDP, and Argentinas
You are quoting nobody but yourself and your own agenda!
Proove otherwise by posting a link.
Liar :)
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Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CIA is very /utmost liar institution...don't belive them.
@54 I wouldn't trust the CIA with the time, should I wonder, but if I use our numbers, they wont believe me, so I have to use their numbers...
Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that everyone is forgetting the headline here: 'CFK reaffirms YPF seizure'.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rather sad really to celebrate seizing a company. What will the consequences be? I wonder. Will this encourage investors to come to Argentina...
I wonder...
Rather sad really.
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Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If their numbers are twisty manipulative ?
How simple is it? Did I just make up the UK's AAA credit rating & Argentina's?
Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But just for you;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_credit_rating
When it comes to repaying debt, I think you misunderstand the concept. The debt is paid at different maturity points. The UK does this every time without failure. The reason it can lend as much as it wishes to is because of the fact it repays its debts and this is one of the many reasons the UK still holds the much sought after AAA credit rating.
So you are either lying, stupid or both.
Which is the absolutely opposite of Argentina that hasn't and still refuses to pay outstanding debt from over 10 years ago, hence the junk grade credit rating.
As for your math, well at best its crude and misleading, at worst its childlike.
Why don't you show us how different debt needs to be repaid over the next 3-5 years based on maturity and interest rates of the remains outstanding debt, since you are so keen to educate us all?
@56 You are right about the headlines, although I think it's great SA is taking their natural resources back. And if Repsol, Exxon and the other multinationals have to pay the price, I'm ok with that too. Should that scare other multinationals from investing in SA, believe it or not, I'm very ok with that aswell. And if it makes you guys like our countries less, guess what? Yes, I'm ok with that :)
Apr 28th, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@57
You mean they would lie to their own people, put SA countries in a good position in order to..... what? for what purpose?
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Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Becouse that there are no people/state and their interests and not important for the Secret Intelligence Services....
For example .....
Few men in Argentina + Few men in Brazil + Few men in Chile + Few men in Uruguay + Few men in Paraguay + Few men in Bolivia .....
all bunch of them is important for a Secret Intelligence Service not rest of their states /peoples.....
@58 I ask you a source and you give me wikipedia... Give me a sec, I'll put North Korea on the top in matter of minutes... :)
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forget about the ratings, only you care what position you are at, we really, truly don't give damn how high or low you rate us. I'm from Uruguay, as it is now, your “raters” are kissing Uruguayan boots with their rating system, it doesn't affect us whatsoever, and we sincerely don't care.
No, show me a link on UK paying those 1 Trillion Pounds, that's far more interesting... :)
Do not care the rating agencies.!
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Mad Bitch needs continual 'happy clapping' reinforcement that she is 'loved'.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt in her deluded state (bipolar disorder is a manic-depressive illness) then 'outpourings' like this salve her delusions.
Regrettably a large section of the population seem to be just as deluded, or is it just the beer, sandwiches and money talking?
The government will have to go back to seeking financing in the markets in 2012, as it won't make it with using reserves to pay debt maturities.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There are little reserves left for debt payment,” is the title of the report, whose conclusion is forceful: next year the maturities will go up to US$18.5 billion, for which it will make no sense to avoid access to the voluntary financing market. Of course that will depend on the interest that Argentina will have to pay to be able to place a bond in dollars.
The estimate of the payments includes interest, amortization of capital and a new payment on the GDP coupon (which in this last case will be around US$3 billion if growth is greater than 6% this year). The amount will greatly surpass the US$6.5 billion used for debt payments in 2009 and some US$9.7 billion used this year.
A report from the consulting firm Econviews, which is led by Miguel Kiguel, estimated that this year there will be a net drop in reserves, due to the purchases of currency by the BCRA not being so heavy due to the flight of capital and that maturity payment is high. As such, the drop in reserves this year will come to US$2.3 billion and the stock will end up being below US$50 billion. The same estimate is made by BofA: “We estimate that the level of reserves will end 2011 at between US$48 billion and US$49 billion. The drop will probably happen in the second half of the year.”
BoFA-Merrill Lynch report puts forth a series of alternative scenarios for the weight of the debt to not provoke greater upheaval in the economy:
Greater depreciation of the peso: the Central Bank will have to raise the exchange rate more quickly to reduce the debt burden.
Debt emission will have to increase: the government will have no other choice but to return to the markets in 2012, as intra-sector public financing will be insufficient to cover the needs in funds related to debt maturities.
http://www.atfa.org/cgi-data/news/files/4343.shtml
@61 Guzz
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm affraid that the govenments of all sensible countries care about the rating agencies as it is ultimately they who determine credit interest rates that a country pays when it borrows.
@64 Nice amount of text making an effort to explain absolutely nothing...
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This shouldn't really be this hard:
1. You stated UK has paid all its debt
2. I say you owe 1 Trillion pounds sterling, roughly
Proove me wrong, I already showed you a link from the CIA saying I am right.
| 63 |
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0..beer ,sandwich,money talking...!
Do you refer the English pubs ?
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| 65 |
keep quite...sit and listen....don't chip in.....be decent...!
I have not ever once said the UK has paid all of its debt, I said the UK pays and has repaid all outstanding debt.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you need to focus on your comprehension skills?
@68
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Post 52: Quote:
“And lets clear one thing up the UK has paid every debt it owns, Argentina has not, it defaulted and refused to pay back debt which is still outstanding and what is worse is the 136 billion figure he quote excludes the unpaid debt.”
Post 38: Quote:
“As for UK debt, every pence is repaid unlike your country that chooses to steal money it has borrowed in good faith....”
So you are a liar, then.....
(It's ok, I already knew) ;)
in British English true saying of this sentence is :
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need to focus on perceiving more .!
Seems you still can't comprehend the situation.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every pence is repaid that is outstanding.... Bond maturity is when the debt is outstanding and not before simpleton.
You really have no idea what you are talking about, unfortunately for you, I do as a qualified stockbroker who has actively traded debt instruments for over 10 years.
I'm not actually going to call you a liar now, I don't think you are. It's now clear you just do not understand.
I don't think Guzz would understand it even if you used crayons and very very small words - his poor little brain is too crammed full of conspiracy theory manure.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@71 Can you read your own english? At no point did you mention “outstanding”, that is something you are adding now.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the contrary to you, I AM going to call you a liar, and a blatent one aswell. Mainly because you are.... This is amazing, you do realize we live in the computer age, don't you? It's not like I need to record you, it's there, black on white!
Still having comprehension problems I see......
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The entire time we have spent talking about the UK's debt which I have referred to in many of my posts and yet through your own lack of comprehension skills at some point in your little brain you've decided that means repaid.
If there was no outstanding debt, I wouldn't of referred to it in every post as UK debt don't you think?
Since the UK couldn't have any debt if it was all paid up now could it?
@74 No aclares que oscurese... means “don't try to clear it, it only gets darker” :) Take care
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Papua New Guinea english ...!
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beef - “Can any Argie provide me with a rational reason why CFK feels the need to have so many political rally?” An impossible question for anybody in the world, as CFK has never been rational about anything.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 074. Don't kill yourself he was ranting about with me yesterday over USA debt illogical nonsensical conclusions. It is like trying to get teach your dog french.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In his mind 1 + 1 = Cat .
66 - We done most western countries borrow money, US borrowing is astronomical, its the way the world works (outside China and other regimes where the leaders control the media etc RG land is in this group. Unfortunately RG's default on every loan therefore zilcho credit !! no growth and not a great GDP. UK in the other hand is the top financial capital of the world earning us billions a year in revenue. UK No1 financial capital in the world vs Argentina worlds corned beef and malbec capital. Inflation in RG land is thought to be 25 percent plus, a ban on people moving money out of the country, a vice like grip on the media stopping any bad report on the economy. Think you may be hiding something if my Sherlock powers are correct.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0keep going please ...........
Apr 28th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79
Apr 28th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, if that's the path you want to go, be our guests. Is it ok if we don't want to go down the same road of continuous borrowing and headless consumtion?
A yanqui would say US is top dog, you say UK is top dog... Well, we are not really into being top dogs, nor do we care whom of you gets the title... Got that? Just leave us alone, dammit!!
Organized by the National Militant Current, all the official Kirchnerite groupings where present with privileged positions in the stadium while the traditional Peronist organization had to take the back seat.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Natonal Militant Current & Kirchnerite groupings, WTF? sounds like good things to have in a free country? :/
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Apr 28th, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must confess that you are better than “ AxelArg ”..!
@83 It's not me being good, they just put me in good light...
Apr 28th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Govern by fear, deciet and lies, control the press and keep the masses happy by blaming everyone else and distorting history. It's the Argentine way.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What happened when CFK went to Chile about the LAN flights?
What happened when the Tin man went to the UN to compalin about UK?
What happened when CFK went to UNASUR for solidarity?
The same will happen when the Argentine politburo try to take on Falkland oil and gas companies. Nothing.
A government of facist comedians posing as socialists.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9228984/Falklands-sovereignty-is-not-up-for-discussion-with-Argentina.html
Apr 28th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better W H O R E Than most of the ISLANDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 28th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 084. 1 + 1 = cat
Apr 28th, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah you look good by comparison ...I'm guessing you are posting from Hospital Neuropsiquiátrico Dr. José T. Borda in Buenos Aires.
it is the only explanation although I thought they were only on the radio.
@88
Apr 28th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you have some debts to pay?
Seems not all Argentina's opposition supports confiscation of YPF as words of Pro Party's Mauricio Macri suggest disagreement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLA5852A87B5536557&feature=player_embedded&v=OQhbX39lAsE#!
Apr 28th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 90
Apr 28th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0have no your own argument ?
@89 - Guzz
Apr 28th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shouldn't you be asking that question of the defaulters? Not the ones with the highest credit rating?
@92 What part of “I don't care about your ratings” did you NOT understand???
Apr 28th, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are they still not defaulters owing creditors?
Apr 28th, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As was anticipated in the Argentine 2012 Budget the government is appealing to Central Bank reserves to pay sovereign debts. According to a resolution published in the Official Gazette, a Treasury bill equivalent to 5.674 billion dollars will be repaid to the bank in several instalments during ten years.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/04/27/argentina-appeals-to-5.7bn-dollars-central-bank-reserves-to-pay-sovereign-debt
Lack of comprehension skills once more.....
89. 1+ 1 = cat No, I am all paid up thanks...
Apr 28th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Guzz
Apr 28th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All that means that Brits will have to go to Argentina again like in 1800 and 1900 to develop Argentina by putting bricks on walls, painting railways station and bringing expertise of collecting cow popo in the countryside?
BTW is gilts or Guilty? I’m not very good with SIVs.
@Xect
For being a stockbroker you know very little about economy mate.
“The UK has never defaulted and then refused to repay the debt unlike Argentina”
Ah! this is reaaaaaly good “the UK never defaulted”. Ha ha ha
UK defaulted more than 3 times one of the first was with the Italian bankers. And in 1930, 1932, etc.
“refused to repay the debt” This is even good.
Ask the argies that they had to wave 1 billion pound to UK in debt because poor Britain cannot afforded to repay after WWII.
Now debt has to parts principal (the money lenders really lend to you) and the interest. UK is hardly paying interest with more borrowing. Refinancing its huge debt that at current moment is 2t (domestic) and 10 t (external) total 12 trillions US dollars. Just to have an idea US debt is close to 15t.
As if this is not enough UK has a gap of more than 150bn in trade deficit (financed with more debt)
So in the near future the cost of serving interest of this tremendous debt will be so huge that will trigger a debt crisis like in Iceland, Ireland, Spain, Italy, etc.
Now even more bad news, EU crisis will sunk UK’s economy even more as exports will drop drastically to EU zone.
Now do you understand your serious situation?
@96
Apr 28th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry, only Xect belives that UK is paying its debt, the rest of the world realizes that a debt that increases every month is not a debt as is being paid off...
Thanks for the economics lesson, its a shame you are unable to apply any logic to Argentina's situation.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Source to show the UK default since the BOE doesn't recognise a default ever.
Can you post sources to these defaults? They certainly are not recognised by international bodies.
As for your assumptions and guesses, they are simply that and are not reflected by market sentiment by any institutions around the world otherwise if your above scenario was real, there would be a run on the UK's currency, banks and institutions when in reality the opposite is happening.
Love these Trolls , we dont believe in credit rating!! love it Dannys Burger - When the RG's have an economy that works then you have the right to critise the AAA rated UK economy. Face facts your finished jajajajajajaja
Apr 28th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 080 - I had finished thanks sweet cheeks
Broken economy, dictator in control, controlled press, rampant inflation, a laughing stock enough to worry about in RG land, oh and forgot to say Falklands will remain British and nothing you can do about it, because to use a old fav of mine, you have not got a pot to @iss in.
@99 aah these ratings... as you should know, all rating agencies except 1 are from USA. On those you all rate triple-A. The last non-american agency is Chinese. Take a look at how you are faring on that rating agency!!!
Apr 28th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK a dictator??? You are a proper bender of truth, and you call people trolls...
& 100
Apr 28th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just remind them Argentina's rating before crisis .
NUKE ARGENTINA,,,,,,,,Please send a 1st, class whore first. The Islanders now smell of FISH,!
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#
@102
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you warfare behind a computerscreen, I understand you please pixels behind one aswell...
You wouldnt know what to do with an argentinian woman :)
@ 27. Must have been a pretty lonely demonstration, only demo in Glasgow was Rangers fans against the SFA
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Xect
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now let define easily default first:
Is a technical fail to pay in term a debt defined in the lending contract. Like when you fail to pay your rent the day your landlord had stipulated in the hiring contract. You are in default.
“Can you post sources to these defaults? They certainly are not recognised by international bodies.”
And? You defaulted, what you are saying is like a thief is not a criminal because has not police criminal records.
The fact that BoE doesn’t recognise any default doesn’t mean that they have not existed.
1- One of fist default of Britain was with the bankers or northern Italy. King Edward III refused to pay his debt and crashed the Italians banks.
“How Venice Rigged the First, And Worst, Global Financial Collapse” FIDELIO Magazine 1995
Sure you can find a copy in a library in UK and for free. I Camoron didn’t introduce any cut yet.
2- Defaulted on gilt known as “War Loan” issued in 1917.
3- 1932 in during Great Depression, Britain (and France) defaulted on First World War debt to the United States. Knows as “excusable default” ????
4- After WWII UK failed to pay debt to Argentina and was waived.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_bond
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_bond
Now you show me any source in Spanish or German where BCRA or Bundesbank recognise any default.
Can you post sources to these defaults? If not they sure don’t exist, must be a lie.
@Guzz
Sure he will try to impress her talking about trident, TM, NSubs and how powerful is RN. ha ha
@102
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No worries though, same thing happens to me with english women... Mainly because I can't tell the difference between them and the males...
#47 That sums up my life. A veneer of education from Edinburgh followed by the debauched laid back assimilation of California values. I returned to my hemisphere as a product of the gringo’s hegemonic power over our continent.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have two girls and they typically eat like rabbits with an occasional diet of starving tigresses.
2011 was one of the few Festival de Viñas I’ve actually attended as my children wanted to see Sting live. It was a very memorable time as we rented for a few nights an apartment within walking distance. Despite my conservative values, I strongly believe in the “Patagonia sin Represas” movement. After what happened in Japan, I’m not certain if nuclear power is the answer either.
#50 Choripan with German style longanizas with pebre on a fresh warm marraqueta and a cold beer. Heaven!
#52 Why should they pay attention of not paying their debts? So far they’ve gotten away with pilfering billions from investors. I think they feel it’s the fools fault for not heeding caveat emptor.
#58 Soon the ratings will be below that of Ecuador. (Note to the worthless arseholes questioning the validity of the three ratings agencies: You are so blindly ignorant, it’s pathetic and futile to waste time arguing.)
#82 Wait for the next news installment… very alarming…
…Now, where’s that choripan…?
@107
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mistrust absolutely everything that comes from USA, call it insinct of survival.
If you are interested in ratings, check how EU and US are faring in the Chinese rating agency and then tell me a rating is not biased, depending on who rates you...
OH BOY
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About as many replies as there were who turned up at the rally.
I am your empress, your queen, your leader, we will win victory after victory, with the western evil empires,
We will destroy all the nasty British,
Utter bull shit,
The fact here is , the comparison between CFK and the German rallies of the 1930s.
And we say this, all those who turned out in support, are without doubt as guilty as their government, in other words you all support what she does and what she is doing, and what she may very well intend to do, with all this support, nothing can stop her,
She is unbeatable, , just adolf said at the rallies,
And all of you will deserve everything you get,
So don’t come crying to us, when she destroys and ruins everything Argentinean, just to fix her bloody obsession over the Falklands,
You all know where this will lead to,
Eye say,
You make that decision, and you suffer the consequences,
For if there was any nation today that is deserves what it gets, its you lot.
.
There is a comment name from South Africa here ...but noone knows it yet......................
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@109 Yes, we support her taking back the countrys natural resources, guilty as charged. Now, bring us the consequences, or shut the fook up
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 105 - Danny.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your technical explanation of default is incorrect, you need to try again.
So no official default then, just a re-arrangement of terms. The war bonds were not a default either.
So your so called 3 defaults weren't actually defaults then and are not recognised as such by any international body.
So for someone trying to demonstrate a superior understanding of economics you've totally and utterly failed.
Still wanting to blow up the Falkland's islands with a nuclear weapon Danny? Or did having your first account banned teach you a lesson.
Haha.....
& 109
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which ethnic group mostly ,you hate from it in Argentina ?
1 ) Spaniard origins ?
2 ) Italian origins ?
3 ) Armenian origins ?
4 ) German origins ?
5 ) East European origins ?
6) Jew origins ?
111 Guzz
Apr 28th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice on gazza,
You will be well rewarded.
113 Max
Very clever, give this man a medal,
Oh by the way.
Maxy pie
Which ethnic group mostly ,you hate from it in europe
1 ) Spaniard origins ?
2 ) Italian origins ?
3 ) Armenian origins ?
4 ) German origins ?
5 ) East European origins ?
6) Jew origins ?
7]
Or r u just anti british.
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& 114
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which ethnic group mostly, you love it in Great Britain ?
1) English ?
2) Welsh ?
3) Scots ?
4) Irish ?
all
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@115 ask him about muslims...
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 116
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not possible ........this is not honest reply.......
this is not honest question.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0muslims, no idea,
& 119
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your evasive answers tell us you are neither Argentine nor British.!
@119 Of course you know what you feel, can't you at least make yourself say you like them, just to proove me wrong?
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THAT's not a fair question... :)
@Xect
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Your technical explanation of default is incorrect, you need to try again.” ???
1-Was not a technical explanation read it again please I said “easily way”.
2-A technical default happens when a debtor fails to meet any of the terms of the debt contract.
“So no official default then” official or not official doesn’t mean anything, UK technically defaulted. because broke the terms of the original obligations.
3-“So your so called 3 defaults weren't actually defaults then and are not recognised as such by any international body.”
Again who cares? What is your point? You said that UK never defaulted and I show you that that is a lie. Like all the crap you post.
4-“So for someone trying to demonstrate a superior understanding of economics you've totally and utterly failed.”
The only failing here is you, you claim to be a pro Broker and insist claiming that UK economy is in a good shape?
UK’s macro-economics indicators are all bad, UK is heading into a new recession, private business are defaulting over their obligation. Do you want more?
What do you trade Bananas?
Why would i wish to make you look wrong,
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A ordinary Muslim, is just that, normal,
But on the other hand, an extremist Muslim, is very extremist, in deed,
And he represents just , a bigger danger to me, as he is to you,
The world is composed of at least 99.9% decent people,
And a few nutters,
And CFK is one of them.
Without her demands, none of us would have this problem, would we not.
So this should answer your question, not all brits are bad,
We are just a friendly bunch, but some nutters want to steal what is not theirs to steal.
Next question .
Reuters Moscow: Saturday April 28, 2012
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In an earth shattering announcement, the Venezuelan government has leaked news today about a new defense agreement involving Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia and Argentina.
As a part of his “Bolivarian Revolution”, Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez has been closely involved in negotiations to modernize not only his country, but also the armed forces of both Argentina and Bolivia with a remarkable revolutionary concept that has left his admirers in a elevated state of approval.
Assisting Presidents Chávez and Morales is the special defense minister, Maximo Kirchner who is assisting in one of the most complex, costly and sophisticated arms for petroleum trade barter agreements in history.
To summarize the deal is as follows: Venezuela will acquire 92 T-72 Main battle tanks from the Russian Federation. The 84 French AMX-30 Main battle tanks and a few assorted other models will be transferred to Argentina. In turn, the antiquated 54 austrian tanks now used by Bolivia will be transferred to Venezuela for target practice. The 236 domestically designed and manufactured “Tanque Argentino Mediano” will be sent to arm the Bolivian forces.
Payment of the transfers will be extraordinary as Venezuela’s purchase will be a part of the Argentine promised repayment of the near 100 billion loan bailout agreement between the two nations, that will be accomplished with barter grain and refined petroleum shipments to St. Petersburg over the coming harvests. Bolivia will repay Argentina with natural gas shipments in exchange for the upgrade in armament. As the special defense minister, Kirchner was quoted: “we all get something from the deal, some more than others…”
In other related news, the government of Paraguay is planning to take this alarming news to the UN Security Counsel as they are worried about the escalation of a military build up in the region. There were no other comments.
@123 Got to admit you make some sense, and it is a sad thing that everybody generalises on threads like this, as we are all different even within our own borders. CFK is no more nutter than any of you people. She is convinced she is acting in the interest of her nation, and you are free to disagree, that does not make her a nutter.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Furthermore, there is much more to it than what you read on your newspapers, historically mainly, things you are not taking into account before putting on your doctors hat and diagnosing her.
Just as I could do if I judge you after what we have experienced “down here”. Because I'm telling you, other than football, you brought little of value, but left with a lot...
Mayhap we should study eachothers cases before attempting to make anything out of this. That, or we could just continue casting pies...
& 123
Apr 28th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is not reply.........
next question ?
Is [a few nutters ] contain Mercopress' under oath/veteran commentator Think ..?
@ 123 - Danny.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You haven't proved anything other than to post a non-official source and someones opinion, neither constitute facts.
Also your technical explanation is again incorrect. It isn't a default if new terms are agreed. You need to read up on what you are posting, because you are looking even worse than you did pre-ban.
Show me one post where I have said UK economics are good, I will give you a clue, I haven't because they are not. Although clearly the UK is not in the same terrible situation Argentina is.
Your version of economics is on par with your version of Falkland's history i.e. a bunch of half truths and lies.
125,
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we would of course agree to disagree,
this site produses a few nutters, but is only opinions,
as you say, we all have opinions, but, the falklands must be left to live in peace, must they not, like argentina, they have a right to go unharmed and without threats.
126,
depending on what is refered to as nutters, then meropress is noworse or less than other world papers, when it suits them they make nationalistic waves, if not a hate campain, is this not true,
besides one should not always belive, what one reads in the papers.
#27 “You are blinded by your creepy obsession”
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pot. Kettle. Black...
#32 If you love these qualities of Argentine women, why don't you (seem to) like their greatest example, Cristina?
#82 Yeah, a real “free country” would make militancy and leftism a crime right, like in McCarthy's America? Or under the junta...
@127
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Weird, I reached the same conclusion with you...
How nice for you....
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 128
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't answer us.........permanent evasive answers..........
your vehicle's wheels not turning on............!
To be fair, anglo-saxon economics up to the 1980s was very solid and worthy of some imitation.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it was the last anglo-saxon model,which bet the house on unbridled banking investments in very shady and speculative financial vehicles and concepts (derivatives, subprime, etc), that was a failed model and they have payed the price the last five years and only now may be emerging out of it. They need to go back to free-market mercantilism, and not have their economies run by five behemoth banks.
#104 I'm certainly no Rangers fan =)
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#133 Indeed. Labour, social democratic economics...
132
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we did, but you no listen,
evasive, is when you try to hide,,then why are you hiding,
and i do not have a vehicle,,i have a car,
and wheels that go round and round, rather than turn on.
mmmmmmm
I actually agree Tobias.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was astonished when the banks and institutions couldn't even decide who owned what debt because it had been broken and re-parceled so many times.
The banking crisis was due to a lack of oversight and allowing capitalism to drive politics. Politicians were being bankrolled into power by powerful conglomerates and creating ridiculous policies, relaxing rules and oversight and in the end greed and complexity created a monster that nobody neither understood or could manage and when the inevitable cyclical recession happened it came out.
@136
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now you are talking sense, problem is, you've only seen the top of the iceberg so far.
Your biggest loss was that economy moved to china, and as all economy is based on speculation, it's now a development you can't stop. Power is where people put it, regardless if they are aware of it or not. Now, companies HAVE to move production to China, because economy is moving there, and economy is moving to China because companies are moving their production there...
& 135
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which living creatures do you love more in these islands ?
1 ) Penguins ?
2 ) Sheeps ?
3 ) Civilians ?
4 ) Soldiers ?
come max, so childish,
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0which do you love more,
mum or dad
brother or sister
wife or lover
son or daughter.
it has nothing what so ever to do with love,
rather that right or wrong,
and the facts are, argentina invaded an innocent unarmend peacefull people without justification , and without cause,
and this resulted directly in the deaths or injury of over 700 innonent people,
your interest should be, in the well being of innocent people,
love your own family, and leave the islanders alone in peace to love theirs.
pronto .
@139 A facist military dictatorship invaded the Malvinas 1982
Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcondor.htm
Take a sec and read that document before you throw allegations around. As I tried to tell you, there is more to it than you appear to know, or want to know. Now, if you don't care, I understand it, but in that case, you should not really comment...
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Apr 28th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't be angry...i just want to demount your ossified memory and open your mind to save you from likely psychological depression...you should thanks me ...
oh fuck im so sorry gus, and i thought you were different, and not indocrinated.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh please how stupid of my argentina did not invade the islands, it was all in there heads, oh no it was a dictatorship, not you lot, how very stupid of me,
oh and the site you posted, bloody great, and its all the fault of others, shit man and i should not make a comment, no shit, sooy i must haVE GOT it all bloody wrong.
guzzzzzzz
lets get one thing straight boy, if you intend to try to intimidate me forget it,
read the bloody facts, i dont give a shit if it was 30 years ago, the fact are as they stand, and if you dont like the facts, then it is you that should mind your own,
ARGENTINA invaded the islands, that is fact,
they were innocent and unarmed, that is fact,
argentinian goverment was directly respoasable for the deathes and injuries of over 700 innocent people,, and that is a fact,
and from that day to this, over 30 years, argentinian goverment has harresed and thretend bullied and harresed the islandrs and that is a bloody fact.
so please dont give my this crap.
it is not i repeat an allegation max
it is a fact.
How does the song go, “as for fortune and as for fame, i never invited them in, though it seemed to the world they were all i desired”.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ossified memory....
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@137 did you know that most of that debt is just people paying off mortgages for their houses, and paying off car loans. And 80% of them most certainly can pay it all off in the next decade or two. So you can't really say that we can't pay our debts, when you are in fact so wrong. Also, I'm just guessing but the reason why SA countries debts are so low is because they don't own their homes, but just rent them. Like Brazil, where a lot of the people in the Rio favelas pay rent. That may be why, but I could be wrong. Would love your opinion on this.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0140 Guzz
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0truth hurts dont it.
argentina did wrong, we are not interest inthe CIA or anything else.
leave the islanders in bloody peace .
We need real English to discuss here not CD s.........!
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@142 In that case, take a look at your own country before you judge someone else. All that you mention, your dear UK is responsible of to this day, in Afghanistan. In Iraq they were responsible of attrocities unnamed. If you really are the knight of justice then clean out your own doorstep before spreading 30 year old nonsense that your allies USA are bloody responsible of.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We fought those very same militaries that sent young boys to die in the Malvinas, and sadly, we lost the fight. Not once did any of your hypocrite countries stand up for justice and helped our opressed people. Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay, Bolivia, Chile... The list is long.
So, again I say, read history or shut the fook up!
@148 Guzz I posted something previously to you, and can you have a look at it please. Also, we're in the right for Afghanistan, as we are building schools, homes, providing food, and trying to end human rights abuses by eradicating the Taliban off the face of the Earth. We aren't the ones killing the 'civilians' over there, it's the US, Taliban and private contractors hired by the Indonesian government.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, there's nothing wrong with bombarding Iraq, cos they were building cluster bombs to use on their own people.
Falklands [zero]
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain [zero]
British [2 times] and we were bombed.
Argentina [5 times]
America [20 times ]
USA [2 times ]
And you point is what.
The document all about America .
It seems you have a problem with the Americans not the British
You talk crap
You are just like others, evading the truth, and blaming everybody else for your problems.
They may have had a dictatorship.
You may of fought against them, this does not absolve Argentina from the facts,
And today you have CFK .
Another person that wants the Falklands at any price, are you fighting against her .
Gus you just cant have it both ways,
All you have to do is leave the islanders to live in peace, and if you cannot except that, then you are as bad.
And please don’t be so rude,
The truth is the truth,
And its not fook, that is fork
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@149 Two wrongs doesnt make a right, you illegally invaded Iraq, killed innocent people while at it, you are allies of USA, torturers, murderers and sackers of natural resources, like it or not.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for your question, I don't believe your debt is private. In fact, most of your debt comes from your government spending over the budget each and every year and covering the difference with so called gilts.
As for our nations debts being so low, it has something to do with you rating us as not credible to borrow money to, hence the banks will not give our nations any credits.
@151 To be honest, neither of us knows how debt really works, so I suggest we both just shut up about it from now on and speak about something else.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@103
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was a Christian Brother,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,compre!
@150
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have never said a word about the islanders, I do think they are the rightful inhabitants of the Malvinas, I just dont believe the UK claim, nor your sad excuse for self-governance, as UK papers already are talking about the biggest oil findings since the 70's...
Until that is solved, dont bloody drill, because oil doesnt care of borders, and you will be taking oil from the Argentine basins
Those are my personal opinions
@152 It's ok if you feel you have no clue on how your own debt works, but talk for yourself...
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Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See this is what telling the truth is all about,
Yes Tony Blaire and bush, did it seem do things illegally, and we have to live with that. Despite the fact, he was a dictator and was thus removed.
But it was still sanctioned by the UN as was afghan and Libya,
We cannot be held responsible for what American soldiers do; we utterly condemn any form or torture. To innocent people,
Great Britain prides its self on obeying international law.
And all we do today is try to help these that are less unfortunate than ourselves.
But that, it seem s does not distract some people from hating us .
We are not your enemies; you are your own enemies.
We try only to help you.
All this rubbish can go away, all CFK has to do, is leave the British Falklands alone, and renounce all claims, then we can all get on with our lives,
Is it that hard to achieve .
they are but opinion guzz. just opinions .
@154 I said debt in general
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@155 If you utterly condemn torture of innocent, why did you allow the americans to transport not-tried people through your territory, using your airfields, to different places in the world in order to torture them? If you didnt know anything fishy was happening, why did you try to hide it?
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Iraq was NOT sanctioned by the UN, that is a blatant lie
@155 torture is necessary to get information from them, and for some people to 'have some fun' if they're not right in the head lol. And we did have the UN Security Council sanction it, cos we are basically it lol.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@158 Are you very very young, or very very stupid? Your not doing your country any favours...
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Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prior to 2002, the Security Council had passed 16 resolutions on Iraq. In 2002, the Security Council unanimously passed Resolution 1441
September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, “I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal.”[1]
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So there you go.
Countries being pressured by the Americans perhaps.
As for the British government allowing the Americans to do illegal things, sadly although this is wrong, we have to except that governments do things that governments do. And sod the rest of us .
Does not omit the fact that we try .
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@160
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do agree with you, and it would be wrong of me to blaim your country and your people for what that corrupt government did to all those people. But, I am a son of a Tupamaro, I've lost several family members to the scumbags of the militaries that rules our countries in service of the CIA. Still you blaim our countries and our people for what was done to the Malvinas in their name... You really think it is fair?
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Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course you have a very valid point,
Please remember, when people say, Argentina, they mean the argentine government as in CFK .
The innocents are just that innocents, , we cannot be blamed for what our governments have done in the past, but still carry the consequences of their legacy.
Today, you will find, that all the British islanders wish to do, is to be left alone, to get on with there lives in peace, the British government would like nothing more that to bring the troops home, to live in peace, but sadly CFK will not allow this to happen, in this day and age. No country should be invading or claiming another people territory.
CFK changed your constitution to add the Falklands to it, this in its self was totally wrong. And should be removed,,
Argentina has lots of problems, and some feel that she should be concentrating on her own country, rather than others.
And she keeps on pushing and pushing, but it will not be her that suffers, it will be the innocent, again,
Argentina can prosper again in her own right; others it seems are overtaking you,
It just seems that she is pulling you down,
We could well be wrong, but all we are interested in, is that CFK just leaves the islanders alone, and renounce all claims, and we can all get on with our lives,
Which must surly be more important than jingoism.
Just an opinion.
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@161 -Guzz, we blame the government of Argentina for several things, not just the past governments but the present one too. Here is a list of things we blame the Argentine governments (past and present) of:
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The illegal invasion in 1982 and the continued aggressive behaviour towards the peaceful people of the Falkland Islands who only want to get on with their lives.
2. The constant lying about history to try and make their claim to sovereignty look valid.
3. Their deliberate brainwashing of the Argentine people, who as children have it drilled into them that the British stole the Malvinas blah, blah, blah, when the true facts are that the Islanders can trace the ancestors back on the Islands to a date before Argentina existed!
4. Their deliberate provocation of changing the Argentine constitution to include the 'recovery' of the islands, when they have no legal, moral or historic claim to them.
5. Their constant refusal to acknowledge that the people of the Falklands have as much right to determine their own future as the people of Argeninta or anywhere else do.
6. Their constant refusal to take arbitration on the subject to the International Court of Justice, and say it's judgements are not legally binding in Argentina.
7. Their constant whining to the UN and anyone else that will listen regarding the Islands.
8. Their constant demands of 'negotiations' on sovereignty, when they are the one who refuse to negotiate, they just demand.
9. Their complete lack of honour, regarding any treaties, especially the one signed by the Argentine government in 1850 which recognised British sovereignty of the Islands.
I could go on, but their aren't enough characters on here to let me.
So Guzz is it fair that the people of the Falklands have to live their lives in the constant worry that the present, or some future Argentine government, might seek to invade them and destroy their culture, way of life or maybe even take their lives completely? Well is it FAIR on them?
@161 Guzz I could call you very stupid for thinking that Argentina has a better claim to the FALKLANDS than the UK does. Fact is, we have them, will always have them and there is nothing or no-one that can do anything to change that apart from the people living there. And no, I'm in my 30s, have a doctorate in social sciences and have done reasonably well with my life.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@162 We can agree on that the islanders are the rightful inhabitant, after all they have been there for... ages. As for the claims, well, when we see english newspapers claiming the island basins holds oil reserves not seen since the 70's, we find that self-governance hard to believe... Nobody really cares about the islands, you want some truths? It's all about the oil. Problem is, like I mentioned before, that the oil knows naught about borders, hence if you want to be fair, they should drill in unity and divide the wealth accordingly. However, world is not a perfect place.
Apr 28th, 2012 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The other matter, the one about YPF, shares the same history. YPF was a national company that was left in heavy debts by the military. A debt of 6 billions was actually their legacy, thats the amount of cash they put in their pockets, from that company alone. From 83-92, YPF generated losses of 200M/year in interest only. Bear in mind that the rest of the country was aswell on its knees, sacked and plundered, common folk looking for their disappeared relatives. Only was to get the country on its feet was to privatize in order to get fresh money from investors. This was done to YPF 1993. 5 years after, in 1998, Repsol arrives and buys YPF for money equivalent to 9 months of production. Sellouts like this happened all over America, we not only lost our money, but we were forced to sell our natural resources just to get back on our feet. Now, Repsol has earned craploads of money on the deal, and we beg your pardon, but we do NEED our natural resources. We dont feel we have to continue to pay for injustices commited, and quite few thinks that the multinationals that bought up our natural resources for spotprices, are more guilty than they appear to be...
I dont expect you to understand, but as I tried to tell you, there are many sides to this coin...
EFE April 28, 2012
Apr 29th, 2012 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0After 46 years, the Argentine Army is still haunted by the controversy of a land dispute in Posadas – the tussle over the land with the Ossa family, in the north east border of the country with Paraguay, which started in 1966.
Some members from the family have appealed with President Cristina Fernandez to prevail on the authorities of the army to obey a court judgment that ordered it to release a parcel of land it illegally occupies in Posadas back to Paraguay where it belongs.
After many years of ignoring the judgment given by an Argentine court, members of the Ossa family staged a peaceful protest in Buenos Aires calling on all relevant stakeholders to plead with the Argentine Army to release the land to them.
In a letter of August, 2005, and signed by a Brig. General, Alonso Atafagatti, on behalf of the army staff, agreed to release some portions of the land back to the jurisdiction of Paraguay.
The Army, however, did not keep its promise because, to the amazement of the family, the land was not released to it.
Led by the affected family, a crowd of Paraguayans marched through major streets in Buenos Aires begging all well-meaning Argentineans to intervene on their behalf.
But, a new twist to the issue started when the family began fencing off the land measuring 14.264 hectares. Some soldiers from stormed the place and drove the owners of the land away.
Gen. Salazar, said through the Army Public Relations that the accusation by the family was misleading and malicious.
He said in a release signed by the Acting Assistant Director, Army, Public Relations, that the land is owned by the Argentinean army and is used for training and reserved for future use by the army.
“It is unrealistic for Argentina to recommend release of such land as it compromises security of officers, men and their families and military hardware located at the Paraguayan border, the army said.
Rent a mob........Que La Campora
Apr 29th, 2012 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0UPDATED
Apr 29th, 2012 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's 'plans for farewell intercourse law so widows can have sex with DEAD husbands' branded a 'complete nonsense'
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 28 April 2012
Alleged proposals to allow Argentine widows to legally have sex with their dead husbands for up to six months after their death have been branded a 'complete nonsense'.
The controversial new 'farewell intercourse' law was claimed, in Argentine media, to be part of a raft of measures being introduced by the Peronist-dominated parliament.
Controversial: The 'farewell intercourse' law is 'a complete nonsense', and was confirmed after re-interviewing sources
Sources inside the Argentinian Embassy in London have said the claims were 'completely false', and 'could never imagine it happening'.
The source said the proposal, if it even existed, had not reached the congress- although it was also admitted it could be the work of an extremist politician. Although not officially rebutted, the claims that someone inside Argentina could introduce such a law provoked widespread skepticism.
The Kirchner Jugend marches on to failure!! Heil Kirchner!
Apr 29th, 2012 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@166
Apr 29th, 2012 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0As a chilean, you might to sort your own issues with the Peruvian borders before you interest yourself with the Argentinian/Paraguayan ones...
You mentioned you served your country as a military... You like football? Do you go to the games? Or did you visit the stadiums for whole other reasons?
You really don't want me to start talking....
Love to my chilean brothers and sisters...
165 - Your right its all about the oil, it had all gone quiet until we found considerable reserves then RG's started making plans for the annexation of the Falklands into a new colony. UK government was probably going down a joint ownership route or lease back deal until your massively supported junta invaded, and even had plans in place to move the falklanders off the island, Mr Hitler would of been proud. So you shot yourself in the foot i am afraid as the falklands will never be argentine jajajajajaja err Argentina is finished....errr you know the normal troll stuff
Apr 29th, 2012 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@171 For your information, the argentine basins hold a lot more oil than the malvinas ones. Thing is that when you start pumping the oil up, you will be pumping oil from the argentinian side of the border aswell, as oil doesn't care of borders...
Apr 29th, 2012 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0We “sorted” out our border issue with Peru and Bolivia in the 19th century. They however act just like our other neighbor, and cry about their long lost territory. I began my brief active service in 1984. What happened at the national stadium was regrettable. There was no justification for the human rights tragedy.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0As a typical Argentinean, I assume you are against releasing the 14 hectares of disputed Posadas border land back back to Paraguay? What about the Bolivian and Uruguayan border disputes? You negotiate agreements that you then ignore. Why is your nation such a quarrelsome group of estafadores?
Speaking of shame, we Chileans can also be arseholes, look how we treated Marcelo Bielsa who is one of the most admired Argentinians in Chile. We treated him very shabbily.
@ Xect
Apr 29th, 2012 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 01-Explain what is a “default” for you please.
2- “It isn't a default if new terms are agreed” You are wrong you have to agree new terms because you cannot meet the original term of the contract or already defaulted on contract terms.
In the case cited for UK in one UK didn’t pay at all what made collapse the Italian banks. In the second case UK performed a cut in interest rates. And in the other cannot meet payment due. All are defults.
Why as a lender I will give you new terms after all? If you have to reschedule contract terms you technically are in default. Again, default means to not be able to meet contract terms.
2- “Although clearly the UK is not in the same terrible situation Argentina is.”
Prove it with economic fundamentals data. Not rating opinions or credit ranting values. That is worthless as can be proved many times. Rating Agencies were giving AAA to Iceland banks before they collapse. Icebank is a good example.
3- About “Falkland's history i.e. a bunch of half truths and lies.” What half true and lies? Can you list them please?
@173 You seem to have issues with all your neighbours... Common practice, either it's your fault, or the worlds fault. And it can't be your fault, can it? I'm Uruguayan, and we don't have any issues with the Argentines regarding our borders, other than the papeleras, and on that matter, I tend to agree with the Argentines. I'll have to inform myself on the Posadas dispute before commenting, but I can say as much: Clean your own frontdoor before you point fingers.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Venezuelan citizen with ties to the Casa Rosada held in Macau – Argentinean Government refuses to issue a statement. Xinhua News Agency - Sunday April 29, 2012 - Hong Kong
Apr 29th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Authorities have detained Guido Antonini Wilson, the US-Venezuelan citizen who was caught in August 2007 by Argentine Customs with a brief case containing 800.000 US dollars, allegedly for the presidential campaign of Mrs. Kirchner, and now again has been detained in Macau when four rather large suitcases inspected were found to contain $4.6 million US dollars. Wilson was reported to explain that he was simply bringing back a few suitcases for his friend, Maximo, that had legitimately “done quite well on the roulette tables” a few weeks ago. The Casa Rosada Government House in Buenos Aires when first contacted refused to comment and Maximo Kirchner was unavailable to be interviewed. Argentine solicitor Guillermo Ledesma, is now negotiating with Chinese Macau authorities for the release of Wilson and it is hoped the issue can be quickly resolved.
176 Chicureo
Apr 29th, 2012 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've written to Mercopress requesting that they ban you. Let's hope they oblige.
@ 177
Apr 29th, 2012 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should keep your eyes on the comments' written time (GMT).
Why?
Apr 29th, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 179
Apr 29th, 2012 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are written from interesting places,
I haven't met comments written from south america yet.
180
Apr 29th, 2012 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm in London on business right now but I'm a Falkland Islander and I live in Stanley. I guess Chicureo could be also but not likely. What about you? Where do you live?
177 Joe Bloggs
Apr 29th, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I should talk to MercoPress suggesting that they hire Mr. Chicureo. I'm sure they would.
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In my humble opinion, he would harmonize beautifully with Lisa Watson and the other professional, trustworthy and unbiased “journalists” of their team....
182 Think
Apr 29th, 2012 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you are Chicureo. You both have the same tendency to stay completely off-topic.
@ 181
Apr 29th, 2012 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0..becouse almost all comments do not betoken the known south american accented sentence structures..their intonations are a bit different.
i have no idea about -- Chicureo- didnt read his(her) comments yet but i believe there should be exigency to have equalizer names from all other countries in the world ( all other latin countries..from MidEast,from Africa,fromEurope,fromAsia...) i know who write from Mercopress edition team no problem for me ,i interpret it just the intentness to enlarge the swallow articles..very normal..!
i always write daily comments for some Asia--Africa--Europe--
N.America agency / blog sites not only for Mercopress.
for the olive oil meals sake !
TipsyThink-- Valencia ! Spain
It is well known that -- Think-- has many log in accounts and poster names like Conqueror.. GreekYoughurt...ElaineB...Artillero... and some others...
Apr 29th, 2012 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0[Think ]should find some new names from other all around the world and themes to content us..instead of going nuts with small part of south america...
185 MT
Apr 29th, 2012 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think is also Conquerer, Greek Youghurt, Elaine B and Artillero??? I didn't realise that.
Chuckle chuckle.
Anyway, I'm going to keep on to Mercopress until they get rid of Chirureo and if Conquerer comes back out from hiding I will pursue him also. We can do without idiots like them on either side of the discussion.
Think
If you don't like the pieces put forward by the likes of Lisa, John and Janet, why don't you send valid comments to Mercopress for their consideration? If you think Mercopress is so lopsided why do you keep reading it? You could've fooled me though because I can recall several recent occassions when you've been delighted with Mercopress stories. Maybe the ACTUAL news is not so good for your views these days, rather than the way it is reported.
Maybe.
@ 186
Apr 29th, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Conqueror has no ideas but its comment timing is conspicuous.!
#177 Talk about being thin skinned... Gosh, I'm very impressed that I've irritated you to the point that you'd take the time to have me banned. I'm feeling truly important. Did I sour your stomach and ruin your breakfast? I'm In Chile with a bout of insomnia and Merco Press can confirm that my IP posts originates from Santiago. They also have my mail address which is Chilean.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Secondly, I'm curious why they'd ban me. ”rude or foul language, discriminative comments (based on ethnicity, religion, gender, nationality, sexual orientation or the sort), spamming or any other offensive or inappropriate behaviour“ Are you upset about my multiple posts at several topic points?
#184 I have to make a confession. I'm actually Joe Bloggs... I suffer from schizophrenia, which is a mental disorder characterized by a breakdown of thought processes and by poor emotional responsiveness which you can easilly see in my previous posts. When I manifest myself as Chicureo the pain seems to go away and I feel no longer the need to be so nasty and obstinate.
Quote: ”..becouse almost all comments do not betoken the known south american accented sentence structures..their intonations are a bit different.” You also suffer from a mental disorder?
(185) MistyThink
Apr 29th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0You forgot to mention me being “MistyThink” as well
Chuckle chuckle©
(186) Joe Bloggs
Who said I don’t like her articles?
I have, many times praised the ”Unique and Invaluable” character and blend of news and fairytales that MercoPress presents us.
But, every 28 days or so, dear Lisa seems to ”go a bit over the top” if you get what I mean…
It’s only natural.on middle aged ♀.
I don’t worry though….
I’ll soon be over ;-)
El Think
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@188 You add nothing to the discussion, you disregard the fact that there are people about that genuinly cares for the matters. If you are totally oblivious to these facts, and your only aim is to show us your ability of putting together as long phrases as possible, we genuinly do NOT care. Get yourself a blog.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Myself I travel between Denmark and Uruguay, so my post may be a bit random when it comes to time of day. Because of my work, and without going into details, I may also not post anything for a couple of weeks, just to post all day long other weeks...
My location on earth does not change my views on matters though, and as I don't speak for an entire nation anyway, I don't see how and why this would matter...
(190) Guzz
Apr 29th, 2012 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nemli' !
#189 Think: Before I'm banned, out of pure curiosity, which other names do you go by? Are you also Joe Bloggs. Maybe we are the same person as well...?
Apr 29th, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0#181 “I'm in London on business right now but I'm a Falkland Islander and I live in Stanley.” Joe, do you realize that I'm pro-Falkland Islands and completely against Cristina Fernandez's Malvinas campaign? You a “friend” of Maximos? Hmmm...
I DO add to the discussion at an intellectual level at least as high as your very valuable contributions. Mine however are somewhat more verbose and certainly more accurate about the reality we face in the region.
Oh no, I just remember... I will probably be banned! I did suggest that Argentina consider invading Uruguay instead of the Falklands because they had the militia capable of logistically supporting an attack from across the river. (Plus the weather is much nicer and the inhabitants actually speak a somewhat similar language.)
185 MistyThink
Apr 29th, 2012 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You would know if you are dealing with the “real” Think and that is when he / she / it starts going on about Turnips.
Yes, that's right, Think has an obession ( some would say, an unhealthy obession ) with Turnips.
Voice in the confession box:- “Forgive me father for I have sinned, I read porn, lick P*ssy, molest small furry woodland animals and when no one is around, I ram Turnips up my a*se!!”
Priest:- “Think, is that you......?”
@174 - Danny.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I actually do not have to prove anything since all of the evidence is on my side and no international body recognizes a UK default.
In reality its up to you to prove an allegation since it has no basis with all of the most respected international bodies.
Also regarding the classification of default, I'm wondering if the term is different in Argentina/SA? Because what you are stating as fact certainly isn't true of western countries and it most certainly isn't in the UK where I am legally qualified and given no UK/international body recognizes your allegations its clear that I am correct.
This is where we end up when we divide people by borders and origins. Mayhap we should divide people by morals and values instead, only to find out that we are more different within our own borders than compared to others...
Apr 29th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0(192) Chicureo
Apr 29th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is only one “El Think” from Chubut, Argentina.
I don't need any other nicks.
Why should I?
But I was “Think II” for a day….
That was when I was banned for the first time ……:
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19 Think II Jul 12th, 2010
Think here.... Well lads....
The moment finally arrived...
My account has been “Regulated” (Closed :-)
Too much “Foul language I suppose?
After too many years with censorship in Argentina I don’t “Think” it’s funny so....
Let’s see if they delete this farewell!
(Sending this from a new account just to say good bye to the “intelligent ones”)
Take care
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/08/falklands-fisheries-scientists-discover-mating-habits-of-deep-sea-squid
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12 Think Jul 10th, 2010
Yeahh....
That's what I'm saying at (10)
I suppose you can't argue with your women about this one!
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6241440/German-men-are-worlds-worst-lovers-with-English-men-in-second-place.html
Chuckle chuckle©
El Think, As I have been saying Patacones are on the way...don't you HATE when I am right!
Apr 29th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ieco.clarin.com/economia/Cordoba-intendentes-piensan-reflotar-cuasimonedas_0_690531023.html
Has anyone else notice that #102 nerosaxo and #195 Guzz seem to be the same person. Similar personality and level of intellectual debate contribution seems to make it clear. Also, Mr. Nerosaxo-Guzz claims to be an Urguayan, but I have always encountered the ones I've met as amiable, reasonably intelligent and well informed. So how do you explain this nasty character?
Apr 29th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0198. Guzz may be Ogara but his english is much better. Ogara used to pretend he was from Ireland and lived in London and he also went by brazilerno if he wanted to pretend he was from Brazil. I think this one is the same. They both had a very tenuous grasp of economics, simple math and hated UK and USA. Probably because he is trapped in some poor BA suburb working in a locoturio and that is how he is posting all day.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why all this talk about banning Chicureo?
Apr 29th, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His/her posts are not insulting.
Some people have fragile egos.
Don't want you banned either, Think.
Who else could l cross swords with as we do?
And l'm used to being the victor in these little skirmishes♥
@198 Chicureo,
Guzz & tobias seem similar.
Both have a negative outlook on life. both don't seem to like us Brits very much. But l don't think they are the same person.
Guzz is nastier than tobias.
@31 DanyBerger,
Whats the matter, Dany.
Did it make you feel uncomfortable about ElaineB's observations?
Are you horizontally challenged in that department? lol♥
#199 Sounds sadly like Guzz... I'm feeling somewhat sorry for the pathetic soul. Well that explains why Nerosaxo-Guzz claims to be an Urguayan, because he's always aspired to be considered civilized. Even with my highly creative writing, there is no way I would be able to get someone to believe the rationality of Patacones. It's just too insane...
Apr 29th, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 Pity you can't get your figures right. UK public debt is $1,608,120,000,000. This is based on information from the UK Office of National Statistics and the current exchange rate. But then you “americans” never get anything right, do you?
Apr 29th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 We don't work in USD because we have a proper currency. And just so's you know, the terms “billion” and “trillion” don't have the same meaning on your side of our pond as they do where you are.
@81 We'll leave you alone when you leave us alone. That means stay away from our territories and keep your noses and sticky fingers out of our affairs.
@103 I did. Bit slack. Then I tried from the front and I could wave mine from side to side.
@124 Good luck with those T-72s. Not the latest. British equivalent = the Chieftain. Quit using those in '95. Replaced successively by the Challenger I and the Challenger II.
@140 Nearly. It was YOUR fascist military dictatorship. Supported by YOU people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xqwNsmzCbM And there is NO “Malvinas”.
@148 Deluded tripe. If the UK was responsible for atrocities unnamed, how do you know about them? Care to provide some evidence?
@154 In that case you're an indoctrinated nincompoop displaying minimal evidence of comprehension.
@165 YOUR government walked out on and tore up a hydrocarbons agreement. YOUR problem. As for you whinging about being the “victims” again, who let your military in? YOU did. Deal with it.
@172 So? Tough. Perhaps YOUR Nestor “Mr Wonderful” Kirchner shouldn't have stormed out and torn up the agreement.
@186 Stupid child. Haven't been in “hiding”. Unlike you, I tend not to comment when I have no knowledge of the subject or nothing to say. You're just a vindictive troll. And there are indications that YOU are also “Think” aka Twinky.
201. There is no rationality to issue Patacones, well maybe ONE they don't want gov't employees and suppliers rioting because they aren't getting paid. I was living in BA when they issued them last time. I never let anyone give me them though.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will add another stop on the RG road to ruin, so the progression is patacones...devaluation...hyper inflation...depression. They're already in Stagflation and I knew patacones were coming but it is all happening much faster than I thought it would. I would think if this rate keeps up by the end of winter they'll be in a severe recession but the WHEN is really hard to predict but the path is clear.
BTW the patacones were a direct result of YPF nationalization the Provinces are finding it very difficult to issue debt...
@199 & 201
Apr 29th, 2012 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I joined this threads what? 4 days ago? I have been constantly writing under the same name since, and do not feel the need to express my views under other pseudonyms. Unlike you people, I do not really care if someone agrees or not, and I don't need people backing me up to feel that I believe in what I express.
You, Yanqui, are a bender of truth, allergic to it's very presence. A fact that took me only 4 days to realize. You type anything that crosses your mind, disregarding the fact that we too have internet to check up on your fact.
You, Chicureo, are a bit harder to read, although I suspect you are some sort of law inforcer from the school of Pinochet. You two should get along perfectly, as you share same values and morals.
For the islanders, the only thing I can say is that although I might disagree with you people, it does not even compare to what I feel for these sad excuses for human beings. As a historically failed project, these characters have reached the point of no return, as the tragedy and pain they brought to other people needs to be suffocated in their own minds, just so they can live with themselves.
BENDER OF TRUTH...where do I get my super hero costume?
Apr 29th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do they take Patacones in Uruguay if so what is the exchange rate?
#203 Yankeeboy Be careful with your radical and politically incorrect thoughts. You may offend Mr. Joe Bloggs and Mr. Nerosaxo-Guzz with your Patacones talk, which would result in you too being banned. I'm keeping a low profile and considering using a different inconspicious name like: “El Clarin Argentina”
Apr 29th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way if you carefully analyze posting #204, you'll notice it makes absolutely no sense at all. He feebly denies posting as Nerosaxo and do you notice how he openly expresses an inferiority complex with North Americans? His lack of grammar and certainly his inability to compose rational thoughts place him perhaps with a mediocre secondary English missionary school in Paraguay, probably run by Jehovah Witnesses. (Speculation on my part.)
Finally, his true colors show as a frustrated mediocre-Maoist-Marxist- misogynist suffering of delusions of grandeur regarding his pathetic jealousy of the Falklands Islands wealth. His last paragraph is obviously plagiarized and I think it's brilliant to use for the CFK government.
“...not even compare to what I feel for these sad excuses for human beings. As a historically failed project, these characters have reached the point of no return, as the tragedy and pain they brought to other people needs to be suffocated in their own minds, just so they can live with themselves.” Does it describe Cristina's government or not? I rest my case.
206. I wonder how growing an economy, increasing prosperity, no unemployment, very high standard of living is considered a “failed project”. I
Apr 29th, 2012 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0m usre he thinks the USA is a failed project too but Venezuela Bolivia and Argentina are Paradise. Maybe he is in bizzaro world where everything is opposite. Where is my super hero costume?
I'm excited about your uniform. I always wanted to be a superhero too. Like Condorito!
Apr 29th, 2012 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Venezuela, Bolivia and Argentina will soon join the ranks of North Korea and Zimbabwe.
As I mentioned, Nerosaxo-Guzz is not the sharpest knife in the kitchen drawer. Avoid big words like “prosperity” which he does not understand.
@Conqueror
Apr 29th, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your debt (supposing you are UK citizen) according to your own source
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_260737.pdf
is the amount you mention but in pounds, not in dollars. An erroe that amazes me to see, as yourself post, quote:
“We don't work in USD because we have a proper currency.”
A million is 10^6, a billion is 10^9 and a trillion is 10^12, I hope we agree on that, as all numbers I've posted have that as a base.
You tell me to stay away from your territories... First of all, no one is tying to invade the Malvinas, and secondly, aren't you trying to convince the world that they are self-governated? All of the sudden they are “your” territories?
Your link regarding Galtieri... What can I say, what a waste of a bomb... Had you truly been the knights of Justice, you would have removed him and his sort from power. Everywhere in SA, not only in America. By the way, more people gather when Boca plays River... Did I say River? I meant Belgrano...
Of course I can provide you with info on the atrocities made by the UK in Iraq.
But instead of writing it, I will post one of numerous link you can find throughout the internet:
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_260737.pdf
And lastly, my government did not walk away from no treaties like you describe, I'm Uruguayan. Even so, if you are talking about the Argentines, you are right, they did. And we fully support them.
Ah so today it's 3 + 4 = Tree, Guzzy you need to give up while you are ahead, well while you are behind jut give up you look a little psycho.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where do you live in Uruguay? Do they have electricity all day long?
@210
Apr 29th, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the balneareos to the east of the capital, and yes, we do have electricity all day long, even though it wouldnt matter if we havent had, as the sun shines for 9 months and people still interact with eachother...
You fail to understand that my view of happiness as vastly different than yours, you think that buying stuff and being able to survive without human affection is equal to happiness, I don't...
@Xect
Apr 29th, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 01- Oxford:
“Default is the failure to fulfil an obligation, especially to repay a loan or appear in a law court.”
Standard & Poor’s and Moody’s.: Default definition
Both agencies characterise default as missed or delayed disbursement of interest and/or principal, bankruptcy, receivership and distressed exchange.
Financial Services Authority FSA UK default
Credit Risk Standing Group
Days past due leg
All this is a failure of contract obligations in a contract debtor.
Did UK meet the underwriting contracts? Nope so? Defaulted.
2- “In reality its up to you to prove an allegation since it has no basis with all of the most respected international bodies.”
I don’t have to prove anything I just want to point out that UK have defaulted several times in history like USA, Germany, France, Argentina, etc, etc.
3- “western countries and it most certainly isn't in the UK”
Western countries don’t have people with turban on their head so may be you are not in one. Have you ever thought about that?
@212 Ask him how they are faring in the Chinese ratings, as the US ones are obsolete within 5 years...
Apr 29th, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha Danny, you've just proven my point thank you.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So tell me where in the definition of a default does it say re-negotiation of contract? I will give you a clue, it does not hence it isn't classed as a default.
The UK never met any condition that was classed as a default.
Thanks Danny.
#210 If you have to, try communicating in Guaraní with very mentally unstable wounded Marxist rat is growling in his corner.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pig+dog+ German mestizo from Paraguay.
(In Guaraní, Schweinhund is curiously pronounced “guzz”)
213. Can you give me the a road path to how you think the USA or UK will be “gone in 5 years”. I am very curious.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even I don't think Argentina will be gone in 5 years, isolated and in a severe depression of course gone no. Do you know where CFK has her escape house? Venezuela, NYC or Miami?
BTW a computer is a material good. Go out and enjoy the sunshine stop posting so much. Just a little hypocritical don't you think?
Guzz - “@212 Ask him how they are faring in the Chinese ratings, as the US ones are obsolete within 5 years...”
Apr 29th, 2012 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz - “@92 What part of “I don't care about your ratings” did you NOT understand???”
Who can spell hypocrite?
@217 Yes, ask HIM, I don't care about your ratings, as little as I care how we are faring in the chinese ratings...
Apr 29th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should be worried though, as you live and die by those ratings, and almost all your debt are bought by the chinese :)
I don't see the issue...
China will be a major part of the Argentine YPF oil shale development. They'll gladly issue CFK all the credit she desires and more. I would suggest not defaulting with them however...
Apr 29th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm out into the sunshine and away from the shadows of Guzz dimwit and his supposed Falklands friend, Joe Bloggs.
#217 You're wasting your time communicating with #218 as the only languages he really understands are Guaraní and Pig Latin. Good luck anyway. ...PIG + DOG = Rabid Rat foaming in the corner...
218. Less than 1/3 of the USA debt is held by foreigners most is held by US Pension funds, States, Mutual Funds, Banks, Inter gov't agencies...a lot of the US bonds are held as part of Sovereign Reserves spread out all over the world. I am sure Uruguay has a most of their reserves in US Treasury bonds.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should do some research before you look too stupid.
The day you hear me calling you names like that, will be the day you know you got to me ;)
Apr 29th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#220 You know, he wasn't called “stupid” as much as he simply proved he was aspiring to prove he certainly was. Sort of like a simpleton masquerading as a complete idiot: It really take some effort to do so. In that this nerosaxo-Guzz character seems to accomplished his goal.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@222
Apr 29th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a remnant of times past. Never again will you show your ugly faces in the corridors of power. The ESCRACHE will get you and if you commited any crimes against humanity, the hammer will fall aswell. We will tell our children of your atrocities, so they never forget.
And should the day come, we shall stay united, with gun in hand should need be.
Never again, you hear me? NEVER!!!
223. I wouldn't say never, at the rate CFK is going she'll be ousted by a Pro-USA ruler just like we are going to do in Venezuela once Chavez meets his maker. You know that the CIA gave him cancer right?
Apr 29th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#216 & 217 I truly don't know what makes #223 so incredibly stupid, but it really works very well. I'm off to the sunshine now.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nicolas Maduro is a perfect succesor, should the people choose him. Try entering Venezuela, you'll meet a whole continent kicking you out at the port, like in the Bay of Pigs (gotta love the name...)
Apr 29th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Xect
Apr 29th, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t know why I waste my time arguing with you but...
“Table 1 flags which countries in our sample may be considered default virgins, at
least in the narrow sense that they have never failed to meet their debt repayment or
rescheduled. One conspicuous grouping of countries includes the high-income
Anglophone nations, the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. (The mother
country, England, defaulted in earlier eras as we shall see.) Also included are all of the
Scandinavian countries, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark. Also in Europe, there is
Belgium. In Asia, there is Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand and Korea.
Admittedly, the latter two countries, especially, managed to avoid default only through
massive International Monetary Fund loan packages during the last 1990s debt crisis and
otherwise suffered much of the same trauma as a typical defaulting country.”
Reinhart & Rogoff from Harvard & Maryland University
Dec 1932: yet another panic after UK, defaulte on wartime credits, and withdrawal of gold from NY
Essays on the Great Depression by Ben Bernanke
The whole continent that might be a bit of an exaggeration even for you. Peru, Colombia, Chile, ( all strong USA Allies) Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina Ecuador (No Military) and would not go to war against the USA. Maybe Brazil but certainly not because we would take over Venezuela. I would think they would be happy to see stability being established in that horrible place and once we have an FTA in force with them it would never happen.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@228 Who said you will be fighting the military? :)
Apr 29th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A long time ago Chavez said he would arm his citizens with poison darts. Is that what you are thinking?
Apr 29th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We'll fight you with cimarrones, should we have to... :)
Apr 29th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@227 - Danny.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you have posted is some individuals who classed the UK as having defaulted not international bodies that have recognized a default which is a very significant difference.
Moving back to the subject in hand, what do you think YPF renationalisation will do to foreign investment? And who is going to pay for the 8-12bn required to fund oil exploration and development?
@232 China is... :)
Apr 29th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0goiod morning all,
Apr 29th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all quiet on the south western front i see,
time for a cuppa,
now where is that butler, [JAMES]
I was expecting that answer @233.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the next question is in what capacity will China invest in Argentina? Will it buy YPF? Or become a major shareholder?
@235 Doesn't really matter, as long as most of the profit stays in the country, I don't really care what name is on the papers...
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@231 Who are you referring to when you talk about 'we'. Are they the voices in your head?
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really, you claim you are happy with nothing much by way of wealth or possessions but you do not sound happy or content, just bitter and angry.
@237 No, the majority of the SA people, the ones that chose the sitting governments all across south america. :)
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm really happy, truly... mostly because I'm part of the fall of an empire :)
To these deluded guys,
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not long now to Guy Fawkes
Another explosive night .
7 short months
But for the worthy
Its only 239 DAYS 06 HOURS AND 43 MINS,
TO XMAS
http://www.xmasclock.com/
save it. Ya may need it .
cheer up
.
@239 You are right...
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I accept people thinking differently, like you, and I would never turn to means that downgrades any human being (except verbally mayhap), but fascists are a thing of the past, or at least they should be....
I'm glad to see most brits here are not in the same league as the yanqui and miss Elaine...
Your CommentAll these Argies think we hate them.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So I have decided to give em some nice little poems about Argentina
We are the time. We are the famous by Jorge Luis Borges
We are the time. We are the famous
metaphor from Heraclitus the Obscure.
We are the water, not the hard diamond,
the one that is lost, not the one that stands still.
We are the river and we are that greek
that looks himself into the river. His reflection
changes into the waters of the changing mirror,
into the crystal that changes like the fire.
To Marianne Moore by Carlos Barbarito
If the idea of immortality is excluded,
there remains dust,
grass,
water that forms puddles,
the branch from which the bird sings,
a certain mystery that reason
supposes a fleeting shadow.
There remains, in the end, life,
And talking about CFK possibly
I SEE A WOMAN MAKING UP by Luis Benitez
I see a woman any woman making up and change
first she is thinking of something else (because when
a woman
begins to make up she hasn't yet separated this act
from the rest of the day).
But when arranging the various objects that the
ceremony
preciously determines in the exact place around
her hands
the woman knows that something has entered this
world again
However she avoids naming that to come
And as burns once said,
Burn the cakes again
And you fly a long way
For you are meaner and meaner
Just like Argentina
Lol.
.thank you for thousands of comments welcoming me back
oh britain, why are you so great lol.
CFK is by the very definition a fascist...
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0fas·cism [fash-iz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
@242
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As CFK is democratically chosen by her people, you are a charlatan...
Um so was Hitler..... try re-reading the definition and point out how she is not a Fascist...
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@244 You love Hitler, he did everything you stand for, in the interest of his nation. I'm done with you, I think most of the normal people in here knows what you are about, and those who still defends you, those are as bad as you.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hence I have nothing more to add than the fact that I see you on our way up :)
Do you think printing Patacones will make you richer? Is that how you'll move up the ladder? So do I print away baby!
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK or the Reichmistress wasnt chosen democratically its well known that she buys votes for food and money though Les Camping De Maximo (Kircher Youth) so no not democratically. So yes i agree much like early days of Nazi Germany. Shes a dictator controlling the press with her very own Georbels Mr Timmerman.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“@235 Doesn't really matter, as long as most of the profit stays in the country, I don't really care what name is on the papers...”
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz, how do you think the profits will stay in the country if China invests? Surely the point of it investing is to make a profit on its stake?
@247 Your ignorance knows no limits, only surpassed by your bullshit....
Apr 29th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@249 You could start a fight in an empty room.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your responses have been very revealing of your character.
@250
Apr 29th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So have yours....
What happened when Chavez kicked Exxon out of Venezuela? Let me respond to that; Nothing! You screamed and shouted, farted and rattled with guns, but nothing happened.
Actually, you fart so loud it could pay off to stick a pipeline up your arses in order to produce sustainable energy. That way you don't have to steal other countries natural resources....
@251 Who are you talking to?
Apr 29th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Except the islanders, bloody all of you....
Apr 29th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(253) Guzz
Apr 29th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can see that ElaineB has just thrown her little *“You could start a fight in an empty room”* cliché at you....
Next, she will acuse you of being “obsessed with her” and being “a bit spooky”.....
I have seen her utilize the same “Modus Operandi” against 3 or 4 posters in here...... Me inclusive.....
She is just a little Narrefisse ;-)
Beehive queen syndrome...
Apr 29th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@250 ElaineB
Apr 29th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He might start it, but he wouldn't finish it.
250 ElaineB
Apr 29th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, If they cloned Guzz, he would fall out with himself!!
I just gave you a solution to your enery problems, and all you can do is to come with personal offences, :)
Apr 29th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All good, thing is, when you are doing fine, you don't give a damn about us down south. For me, you farting aloud means we are doing quite fine :)
meanwhile back on blogg
Apr 29th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In a massive rally CFK , spoke to her troops,
even BK said he would like to have attended,
no roome to swing a cat
no toilets
no loiies or ice cream
no hot dogs,
and the main event, by mr penn, was disbanded, due to lack of interest,
but the question is, did she have a nice day.
No remarks about Userping Pirates or implanted populations then.
Apr 29th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are we not popular with her at the moment.
Have we done something to upset her.
What have we done to deserve none of her attention.
260 Pugol-H
Apr 29th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Mad Bitch has the attention span of a gnat.
Wait until something triggers it off in her mind, it will soon be back.
Her mind has the attributes of Sauron, the maginfied monocular view of the main protagonist in 'The Lord Of The Rings'. Only where the eye was looking could it focus the mind of the beast. :o)
@241 briton,
Apr 29th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Love your poetry! makes me laugh!
You are so drôll.
Guzz, lighten up. The world is not perfect.
thanks
Apr 29th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REGARDING “GUZZ”
Apr 30th, 2012 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yankeeboy: I followed your advice and did an analysis at www.teamtechnology.co.uk/mmdi/questionnaire/ of the past 35 recent posts of the character who calls himself “Buzz.
No surprises: The conclusion is he’s a single male, most likely between 18 and 25 years of age, underemployed, most likely still living with is mother, perhaps attended one or two years of trade school before dropping out. An extremely self-centered narcissist, who craves attention and acknowledgement from others. He has trouble empathizing with superiors or understanding their positions. He’s apparently extremely sensitive to rejection - implied, perceived or real from others and may react with displays of aggression, threats or temper tantrums when denied. He claims being a “marine engineer” that commutes between Denmark and Uruguay, but the conclusion is its nothing more than another manifestation of his delusions of grandeur.
@Xect
Apr 30th, 2012 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You said in post #38
Quote: “As for UK debt, every pence is repaid unlike your country that chooses to steal money it has borrowed in good faith....”
“The UK has never defaulted and then refused to repay the debt unlike Argentina”
Plus:
“I have not ever once said the UK has paid all of its debt” //comment here: Contradiction with quoting above.
“You really have no idea what you are talking about, unfortunately for you, I do as a qualified stockbroker who has actively traded debt instruments for over 10 years.”
Me #96 DanyBerger said:
“For being a stockbroker you know very little about economy mate.”
“UK defaulted more than 3 times one of the first was with the Italian bankers. And in 1930, 1932, etc.”
Then you ask me to define “default” I did from 3 different sources and said the same as I said before “Failure to meet a contract agreement over loans in this case”
You said in post #98 Xect
“Source to show the UK default since the BOE doesn't recognise a default ever.”
You said in post #232 Xect
“What you have posted is some individuals who classed the UK as having defaulted not international bodies that have recognized a default which is a very significant difference.”
Now I reply to you: Theses “individuals” one resulted to be the Chairman of the Board of
Governors of the United States Federal Reserve (Ben Shalom Bernanke).
And the others “Harvard & Maryland” respectable economy professors.
#232 Xect “Moving back to the subject in hand, what do you think YPF renationalisation will do to foreign investment? And who is going to pay for the 8-12bn required to fund oil exploration and development?
1-From your point of view nothing, because you repeated several times that none invest in Argentina so 0 sum.
2-YPF with its 1.5bn profits plus private investors that already are in the queue to make money with YPF and not by defaulting YPF.
Now Xect you are not British I can see that. Where are you from? Spain?
Regarding Guzz
Apr 30th, 2012 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know that in my lands they know who I am
because to the superiors, I don't bend my neck
because disregarding foreign tracks
I know how to make my own path.
Because you don't see me lick the whip
or move my lips to make some profit
they fully know I am harsh in my words
and not even a mule break will stop me.
Because when I have to sing truths
I sing them aloud, like a man should
even if these truths exposes nests
where no one thought there was any worms.
Because the stuckups of covered kidneys
for whom justice has made no laws
I treat the same as the one that has
only rags to cover their tails.
For you don't fill me with four lies,
the Maracanazos that comes of the people
to praise currencies already dismissed
and make us promises never fulfilled.
Because when I brough my “china” home
I forgot about judges to make marriage
and a womans worth, no matter her goodness
is naught if the man has not paid his rights.
Because I raised my children as infidels
disregarding your priests screaming of hell
I say and hear me, none is the worth of those who
spend all their days pointing towards heaven.
For though I have nowhere to drop dead
I am richer than you who broaden your fields
paying, in stews of dry tombs,
the poor who leaves their lungs, pulling.
So in my lands they know who I am,
because among the coral trees a quebracho disturbs
because all of you have been branded
and your envy is seeing me ownerless.
And what do I care, I'm wild and free!
I don't follow superiors, nor entangle myself in your laws
I follow the paths of my own will
and I need none of you to be my guide.
See you in a couple of weeks :)
Wow, a pop concert. Who is the pop singer?
Apr 30th, 2012 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares?
Apr 30th, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#259 I think and certainly hope she did, she deserves all the happiness in the world for her heroic actions =)
Apr 30th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#267 Thank you for bringing a smile. Very funny!
Apr 30th, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz...please stop. reading your replies was funny at first but now I feel embarrassed for you.
Apr 30th, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mayhap I should listen to my wife, mayhap I should use my time on something more productive than a bunch of neo-fascists, like.... breaking the bottoms off ants, but I just can't seem to stop myself, this is hilarious :)
Apr 30th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0100 - AAA Rating in the world credit ratings. Whats China got to do with it, a comunist state with more corrupt officials than RG Land!!! Dont you think China lends its money to countries with a good credit rating ot a junk rating like RG land that defaults on loans mmmm let me think who would i choose. You better start learning Chinese, they plan to asset strip your country because you are weak, like many African states it effectively controls. So you may become a province of the communist un democratic chinese state...good luck
Apr 30th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your rating at the chinese rating agency is not AAA :)
Apr 30th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The chinese ARE spending cash in Argentina, not in Europe :)
I will learn chinese, language of the future.... Mandarin mayhap... ?
yes - 274 they are buying your country, like in Africa and other third world countries, buying natural resources ,mines etc, securing future energy supplies.
Apr 30th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But i dont think they will be to happy with the reichmistress nationalising them.
What is our credit rating with China then??? pray tell
To the rest of the world its AAA so not bad vs Argentine Credit rating of ???
China will effectively slowly dominate your country, RG land could become a Communist Sattelite State of China, another country that controls its media and censors its citizens. What a place to live. Yes i agree better learn Mandarin it will be useful...first lines to learn
1/ Yes master as you wish
2/ By your command comrade
The chinese rates you A negative, and regarding the fact that you are chasing the Greeks in your economy....
Apr 30th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, the chinese are buying loads in SA, but at least they PAY for it, not like you, demanding a discount :)
Thinking of naming my next son Chang... maybe Mao... How do you say “GUSANO” in Mandarin, by the way? Chucky wants to know...
http://thefederalist-gary.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/china-is-buying-up-argentina.html
Apr 30th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0276 - Ok then show me the article that says UK economy is chasing Greece, plus still waiting for RG Chinese Credit Rating my Chinese subject.
And when do the RGs pay for anything just take take take And blame others.
Argentine Credit rating please from your new masters the Chinese?????
@277 What does Argentinas rating matter, when the chinese are spending (your) money in the country??
Apr 30th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your ship is sinking, flag waving high, white, blue and red, with three letters printed in black; A - A - A :)
278 - Argentinas credit rating only matters when they are trying to borrow money on the international money markets. Most successful countries do, but I guess the RG economy must be world beating, with no need to borrow money like 99% percent of the world economies. Must be the 25 percent rampant inflation that keeps it so strong, along with the IMF closing there offices in BA.
Apr 30th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@279 They don't have your need to borrow money, as the chinese are spending those pounds and dollars there anyway (wonder where they got them from...). SA is so full of natural resources, you can't imagine. After 600 years of plundering, it is STILL full of oil, gold, cobber, silver... you name it :) Have you heard of Banco del Sur? We don't NEED the IMF :) :) :)
Apr 30th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fact-
Apr 30th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It matters not that the UK is slightly in recession,
We can only go up,
Argentina on the other hand, is slowly climbing the ladder to nowhere,
Her inflation is ruining any recovery,
As for the UK we will grow again,
And Argentina will soon have to make some very distasteful decisions.
So relax,
.
Again I say, Banco del Sur, Brazil and Argentina are not borrowing money from IMF anyway, and loans to SA fell from 80% of IMF portfolio in 2005, to 1% of the same in 2008 :) :) :)
Apr 30th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Guzz
May 01st, 2012 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0The funny thing about these guys comments is that China had being financing them since long time ago especially US and UK. China has 1.2t dollar of US public debt.
How China owns $1.2TRILLION of American deficit.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394315/China-unloads-97-cent-short-term-U-S-Treasury-debt-owns-1-2TRILLION-American-deficit.html
About UK:
UK 2011 cost of just serving public debt interest was $74bn and growing faster.
Spending Budget for 2012/2013. Top 5 on the spending list.
1-Social protection: £207bn
2-Health: £130bn
3-Education: £91
4-Debt Interests: £46 (and growing)
5-Defence: £39
@283 Wow, only £39 spent on defence, £46 on debt interest. That's nearly as much as my weekly shopping.
May 01st, 2012 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@284
May 01st, 2012 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0What God did to you is called abuse of power...
@Guzz
May 01st, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nope what god gave to them is below position in the EU pyramid.
http://skp00.epimg.net/Imagenes/07/9E/1335815446-cf68f436b6a4519375a2a97ac5725d93.jpg
: )
@286 Dany,
May 01st, 2012 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats quite humourous for you, Dany!
True, too.
#286 Danny
May 01st, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very funny! I'm forwarding this. Thanks,
@286 DanyBerger
May 01st, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
283 - Whats funny about that? Mr Burgers
May 02nd, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its the way modern capatilist economies work. Governments have always borrowed money far back in history, and if like the UK you are credit worthy you get cracking interest rate.
Sadly the RG's defaulted on all recent loans to the IMF and US so as a result you can borrow from anyone. But i suppose your strong economy means you dont need to. Must be a sign of a strong economy to have 25% inflation (and your government lies and mutes the press to keep it quiet) plus a ban on currency leaving the country. Raiding the national banks reserves recently as well!!!!.All signs as you agree of a strong and stable economy.
Hey Mr Burger, you food parcel has arrived from the Kircher Youth...you can keep blogging for a few more days...think its burgers tonight mmmm. Dont let Maximo smell it he loves de burger man
@cLOHO
May 03rd, 2012 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“25% inflation “
Is the same rate UK has in the period of 1970/80. And?
“The highest annual average inflation since the introduction of the RPI came in 1975, when inflation touched 25% for that year.”
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