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HMS Dauntless en route to Falklands participates in 11 nations exercise
HMS Dauntless impressed the members of other navies during a multinational exercise in the Atlantic last week to practise improving security at sea. Exercise Saharan Express, which took place off the coast of Senegal, saw military personnel from 11 nations, including France, Gambia, Senegal and Morocco, training to deal with people-trafficking, piracy, drug-smuggling and illegal fishing. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSounds very impressive. Wonderful asset for our world class armed forces to possess. Should be in The Falklands very soon :0-)
May 03rd, 2012 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 030 knots after 4 ship lengths is an incredible rate of acceleration. Shows what the torque output of an electric motor can achieve.
May 03rd, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have a 25ft powerboat and it wouldn't reach that speed in 4 lengths.
“training to deal with people-trafficking, piracy, drug-smuggling and illegal fishing.”
May 03rd, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shouldn't that include modern day colonialists too?
I have seen Type 45's out in the sea and the turning circle and acceleration is quite unbelievable.
May 03rd, 2012 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0The load through its prop and gearbox must be immense to achieve full speed in less than 4 ship lengths.
The Type 45's at every level are truly amazing ships and are currently the most advanced warships in the world.
Its a proud achievement for British engineering and design. Although some elements of course are modified from shared technologies of Europe and the US.
The fun thing is, we have 4 more ready to go. Imagine how many multiple targets can be tracked and eliminated from the skies over the Falklands? I suspect quite a few.
May 03rd, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor argtardia. No Lebensraum for you.
Booo hooo.
30th anniversary of the attack on HMS Sheffield today and there are many interviews on the BBC news channel.
May 03rd, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I noticed the BBC were also given an exclusive tour of HMS Dauntless. I guess there could be footage on the BBC website for people interested.
“.....training to deal with people-trafficking, piracy, drug-smuggling and illegal fishing.” Outrageous militarisation of the North Atlantic and reckless use of neuclear weapons against the peaceful Seirra Leone rebels, time for Tinman to make a powerpoint presentation to the UN Security Council and tour North Korea.
May 03rd, 2012 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look forward to seeing you here Dauntless, have a good trip.
@5 - GY - I believe HMS Dauntless by itself could wipe out the entire Argentinian airforce and any missiles that they have. With the other 4 we could probably take on the whole continent, should the need ever arise. ;o)
May 03rd, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6
May 03rd, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0A few weeks ago i was amongst the members of the public who was allowed to climb aboard HMS Dragon (before she joined the fleet) and look around the ship, it was truely amazing.
Funny thing was, everyone was interested in the 4.5in main gun but completely oblivious to the PAAMS missile silo right behind them.
6 ElaineB
May 03rd, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't that the 04th? Wikipedia says it's the o4th...but then again Lenny Henry was going to re-name it wrongapedia.
5 GreekYoghurt
Yes they are that powerful and they are that advanced....I just wish we had more than 6 of them.
@9 Lucky you. I am clueless about ships even though my father was in the Royal Navy for ten years and my one experience aboard a submarine was a disaster as I was wearing a sundress. It caused a lot of amusement though.
May 03rd, 2012 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10 It could be. I just saw the headline and one of the interviews.
I watched an incredibly moving documentary the other evening called The Falklands- Remembering Craig. About the dedication of a small island to the memory of one fallen soldier. It followed the family visiting The Falklands and meeting the people there.
The story of “Craig Island”
May 03rd, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9118520/Falkland-island-named-Craig-Island-after-last-soldier-to-die-in-war.html
@6 Rob
May 03rd, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hardly surprising, a BFG is obvious and photogenic, from the deck view a vertical launch missile system looks like a row of manhole covers.
13 Rufus
May 03rd, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could we invite the Argentine ambassador to stand on one - just before a live test firing? I'm sure she'd like to be invited to inspect the ship that is causing her countrymen to cower.
We have in our fleet three type 23 and one type 22 frigates originally from the Royal Navy. I'd love to tour a type 45 and maybe the HMS Dauntless will visit one of the Chilean central ports.
May 03rd, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#11 Elaine, the thought of a young lady in a sundress on a submarine is every sailors dream.
@14 Idlehands
May 03rd, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just as effective to get her to stand by the stern rail while it's stationary and do one of those 0-30 starts and watch as she goes over the back.
Cheaper too.
#12 &14 Nice link and too expensive the idea. (But, funny!)
May 03rd, 2012 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#16 You ex-navy? Very funny!
The French and the “Rossbif” working together, funny as.
May 03rd, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The French will take over you r navy.
@17 Chicureo
May 03rd, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not ex-navy but I've almost managed the reverse-somersault-over-the-rail on one of the boats that I used to crew (Thames river boats for tourists, tiny and slow by comparison, only about 30m long and not much above 15mph flat out) when the skipper hit the power accidentally.
Ah, the joys of university summer jobs...
@18 The “Frogs” have been trying for several hundred years. Still can't manage it! We LIKE sinking French ships and Spanish ships and Italian ships and argie ships!
May 03rd, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again militarisation a region were you do not belong, to defend the isles from Mrs Castros speeches of peace, because doesnt exist any threat.
May 03rd, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 048 sea viper missiles, ametralladoras, powerful warships, etc doesnt look well in SA. Fortunatelly this region wants peace. Nothing of what you are capable of.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17908679
the last time the french fleet didnt choose to flee the Nazi's to a neutral port the Royal Navy sadly had to sink the lot.
May 03rd, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#19 As a midshipman on a 20mt patrol boat we did something very similar.
May 03rd, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#8 “I believe HMS Dauntless by itself could wipe out the entire Argentinian airforce and any missiles that they have.” Add the Argentine navy as well. At least two of their German built are unusable right now and are stuck in port. The Rolls Royce turban power plants have been poorly maintained and they are having difficulty in obtaining parts due to slow pay.
@13
May 03rd, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know, it was just a tad disappointing that most of the people visiting the ship didn't seem to acknowledge one of it's most important assets.
@18
Keep on dreaming
@21
I seem to recall the US + UN sending Argentina packing with their claims of militarization, but i guess since when did the opinions multinational organisations mean anything to Argentina.
@24 did anyone see the Sea-whizez on each side? Wonder what they could do to any old nearby french fighter jet with an argtard inside.
May 03rd, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.actualidadchaco.com/vernota.asp?id_noticia8976
May 03rd, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25
May 03rd, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not familiar with the term, but if you mean Phalanx CIWS then no, as far as i know they get recycled and mounted at a later date, bearing in mind this was before she became operational then I don't think she would.
I expect they'd be pretty nasty, but i'd rather it not come to that :)
24 Arg is going to reiterate the dennounce of militarization
May 03rd, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know you love arms, and you find them friendly, not for the rest of us.
@28
May 03rd, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, you reiterate all you like. But nobody is going to listen, especially with Timerman at the helm.
@27 Yurp, Sea-whiz = CIWZ.
May 03rd, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 There were only 40 Marines on the islands until you Argtards decided you wanted to illegally annex them, and ignore the UN Security Council Resolutions. So shut the f*ck up about militarization, it only exists to keep you horrible vermin-like toads out.
28 malen
May 03rd, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a joke. If you could afford the arms and had military superiority you'd be onto the Falklands in a heartbeat.
Fortunately your government keeps them tiny because they are more afraid of them taking over Argentina than hopeful they could take over the Falklands.
If you look just off the port bow you can see the sun setting on the Argentine economy
May 03rd, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 such a beautiful moment.
May 03rd, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 No, trollop, you don't want “peace”. What you want is “a piece”. Or, more accurately, all of what doesn't belong to you. And NEVER will. But it would always be possible for us to put an end to your “claims”. Permanently. Just think how easily we could wipe you off the face of the planet. And who would complain? Not you, for a start.
May 03rd, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26 I looked at your link. Unfortunately, I am neither poor nor sub-human so I didn't understand the gibberish. You really must do better. Here's a tip, assuming you can understand. Don't post links to sub-human gibberish. If it's not in English it has no chance of being intelligent.
the only way you can have the isles is by force, that is why you need this kind of boats.
May 03rd, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0dont lie any more, we arent in 1982.
@35
May 03rd, 2012 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only way you can have the isles is by force?
You really are brainwashed aren't you, thinking that the UK somehow has the islands 'under seige'.
Imbecile
@35. Uti Possidetis - What you win, you keep
May 03rd, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 I think he forgot that the Argtards decided to forcibly annexed the islands in 1982. Our force was just a little more than newtonian.
He's also outlining how the Argtards would attack the islands if they remained unguarded. One journalist even said he would only return to the islands in a landing craft. They are clear about what 'peace' means to them.
@ Chicureo
May 03rd, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I served on multiple Type 23's and the last one was HMS Richmond.
The Royal Navy equipped Type 23 is still a formidable warship and many aspects of the Type 45 are an evolution of the Type 23.
I don't know in what state the Type 23's are provided to your country but the UK version is very potent.
The Type 22 was in its day a very good warship as well and had a lot of room for a large armament!
Chile has a very well maintained fleet and crewed with a high level of training. We have three type 23s (ex-HMS Norfolk, Marlborough and Grafton) and one type 22. All are in fantastic shape with a complete modernization done making them, with all due respect to HM Navy, even better than before. All have a full complement of Exocet along with Sea Wolf and Harpoon missiles. All. I believe, are sitting in Valpariaso right now.
May 03rd, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15 Chicureo
May 03rd, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im sure the dauntless would be very happy to visit a Chilean port, but that would involve your goverment growing a pair of balls and stop playing both sides of the fence. Maybe in 50 years you may get to buy dauntless.
Sounds good Chicureo, I've been on all of those 23's before they were sold.
May 03rd, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I used to like watch Sea Wolf firing or on the 23's in rough sea's, watching the long corridor (flat) from forid to aft flexing (they are designed to flex and bend).
The 22's were very powerful although by all accounts very expensive to run for its type of warship.
@39 Nice!
May 03rd, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely, it's a bit overkill for Exocets AND Harpoon though isn't it?
#42 Actually it depends on if you are in a defensive or offensive mode and the mission you have been assigned. The Chilean Navy is designed to not only simultaneously defend against Peru and Argentina, but also to attack.
May 03rd, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The new generation sea skimming Exocets are very impressive, but the other classified “evil” on board some of our ships is far more deadly. I can only imagine what the type 45 warship has that is not declassified.
The reason why the Type 45 is soooo big for a destroyer is to cope with sea skimming missiles primarily which is the reason for its high radar position.
May 03rd, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exocet has certainly improved over the years but isn't the cutting edge missile it used to be. Its generally considered less effective than harpoon.
Most now consider the Chinese/Russians to be producing the most effective sea skimming missiles and its for this reason the Type 45 has the most advanced radar system/anti-missile defense in the world. The Royal Navy reacts to other countries tactics and styles of warfare and always aims to predict future combat scenarios.
For instance the Type 23's were designed to fight Russian submarines during the cold war and have very advanced ASW capabilities, however proved itself to be a excellent all purpose warship in addition to ASW with the addition of sea wolf, harpoon and 4.5.
The Type 45 is awesome because it has a Kenshiro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po77bJk1DdI)
May 03rd, 2012 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd have loved to visit HMS Dauntless. Unfortunately she won't be calling at Uruguayan ports because of our daft government. It would be wonderful to see her at Punta del Este in high summer. Certain tourists and holidaymakers would start quaking ... guess who?
May 03rd, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The royal navy has requested more type 45;s, but nothing will happen this side of 2015,
May 03rd, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This was considered annoying as one was told that more you buy the cheaper they become,
So why more was not ordered is beyond most,
But time will tell,
We await the decision on the combat ships to come to fruitarian,
They have requested 24, but this has already dwindled down to 18, thus 16 and now sits at 13 we believe,
………………………………..
The whole point of having the best, is having enough of them to make the point you are trying to make,
The lesser, does not take into account the losses that may become all to relevant , if fate took a hand,
But anyway, far to technical for Argies to understand,
In the mean time, the dragon is available and all 5 can spit very hot lead,
Enjoy .
Isn’t it great to be British?
Rather than a Kentucky Fried Chicken .
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@44
May 03rd, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't forget the Indians! (w/ Russian help i think) they're VERY proud of BrahMos
@47
They may order more batches, it's entirely possible after the 2015 SDSR but I don't see any increase in escort numbers happening before 2020-2025 after the carriers are done and dusted.
BrahMos if you believe the rumors is based on Russian developed tech by Russian engineers.
May 03rd, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which makes perfect sense since nobody including China has got to where they are without Russian help.
Russia has been the cornerstone in this field for a long time. It was recently suggested as many as 10,000 Russian engineers have left the country to work in China/Russia/N Korea for a great deal more money.
And when you look at the missiles they all share very similar characteristics even though some of the countries deny Russia helping them.
48 RobWilliams
May 03rd, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may well be correct, we will just have to wait and see,
Apparently we are as low as 1,1/2 % one and a half percent going to the military
but, what they are after is back up to 2%, and the promised extra 1% after 2015, if the economy picks up, and the royal navy are desperately pushing the government to operate both carriers, with planes on both, but sadly as we have seen, British government incompetence over the last 20 odd years, have cost us more dearly that the supposed invisible enemy has done.
They want more for less,
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May 03rd, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please do :-)
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#40 Actually it's all politics. Sort of like your American cousins that are cowardly playing both sides. In the end, the LAN flights to Mt. Pleasant will continue and British Ships will be welcome in our ports. And yes, they'll call the Falklands by their “politically correct” name.
May 03rd, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our navy is very pro-British. Trust me.
Yes trust him :-)
May 03rd, 2012 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chilean president Sebastian Piñera, March 2012
“President, I would like to take advantage of your presence here tonight with us to honour the memory of all those fallen heroes in that confrontation, and reiterate the most firm support of our country to Argentina’s rights in the sovereignty dispute referred to the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces” said Piñera at the Government House, La Moneda ceremony Thursday evening.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/03/16/pinera-reiterates-full-support-to-argentine-claims-over-the-falklands
#54 Like I said, it's just like the two faced political policy of the USA. In the end, they'll support the UK.
May 03rd, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect many countries will do the same.
A documentary about Nazi Argentina, on a discussion group the Argentine posters were quote “disapointed” that Argentina was still a military dicatorship. However you people are still fanatical nationalists with ambitions to add the entire South Atlantic and Antartica to your territorial aquisitions. next step will be Chile and Uraguay and they know it. Which is why we have so much support from the people of those nations.
May 04th, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6pB57lhPlk&feature=youtu.be&skipcontrinter=1
Chicurero- you are right- I have visited Valparasi and the museums there and the naval base and the Armada de Chile is indeed proud of its RN traditions and origens.
May 04th, 2012 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos- then tell me why each week official export documents from Chilean Govt Depts arrive in the Islands adressed to corresponding Govt Departments in- Islas Falklands (U.K.)- that says it all really.
Islander. Because many of you think Falklands is somewhere in Scotland , can you imagine if they addressed with the real name Malvinas?
May 04th, 2012 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0#57 Islander1
May 04th, 2012 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The uniforms, the ranks, the traditions and the heros have English origins.
We stopped using British spelling in the 80's however as the Americans could never handle our correspondence with “centre”, “lorry”. “trousers” and so forth... So we switched to American English...
59 Chicureo What happen with that Argentinean general that crossed the Andes and gain independence for your beautiful country, I think his name was San Martin..
May 04th, 2012 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Far greater hero than Bernardo O'Higgins.
May 04th, 2012 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0We may disagree on many subjects, but not this one.
38 Xect
May 04th, 2012 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes the type-22's were a very good ship. Wasn't it HMS Avenger that managed to shoot down an Exocet missile with it's gun?
@53
May 04th, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately your government had a golden oppurtunity to show support to the UK when Jeremy Brown visited earlier this year, your government said one thing to his face and then did another when he left. You are im afraid a country at the mercy of the whims of a truly psychotic woman. Instead of standing up to her, you capitulate. You are therefore now not a realistic or worthy ally to the UK, i cant imagine the foreign office planning any more visits in the future. To quote the great MT , “you stand on principle or you do not stand at all”. Surely as a sovereign nation you get to choose which ships dock in your own ports? Yes?
Chile's Type-22 that currently is in Valparaiso.
May 04th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Almirante Williams” (Ex HMS “Sheffield”)
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May 04th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/pages/Misiones-y-Formosa-son-de-Paraguay/250980491652629
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@43 Chicureo
May 07th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The chilean navy better equipped and ready to attack Argentina ?
And kill the chilieans aborigenes that immigrated to Patagonia for a better life? If you don't like my country, then shut up.
Argentina is a product of colonialism, conquered by the sword, most of the natives killed and infected by disease, their land taken from them and worked by imported African slaves, oversean by imported European colonials. The African's who made up 50% of the population would themselves completely disapear from Argentina between 1850-1900 in what could have been a chilling fore runner to the disareances of the Dirty War in the 1970's when an estimated 30,000 Argentines were raped, tortured and murdered, many more were held illegally in detention camps and tortured. The true figure for the dead could be as high as 100,000, no one knows because there is little official documentation and most bodies were dumped in the sea.
May 08th, 2012 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina took land from its neighbours in numberous wars , civil wars and land grabs - Paraguay, Uraguay, Chile. Today Argentina despite the changed political landscape is still a nation characterised by uber nationalism. The claim to the Falklands was surendered in 1850 but reserected in 1941 by a fascist junta, which inc Peron, they thought their friends the Nazi were going to win the war, the Falklands looked easy picking.
In 1982 Argentina was under the latest succession of a series of fascism military junta's. Their hold on power was looking precarious, in deperation they sort a war, Chile looked like a good victim, they already claimed lots of land and were ignoring the international tribunals that had ruled in Chile's favor. But then they changed their mind and invaded the Falklands. Today the war is romanticized by a nation ruled by a kind of cross between a Neo-Nazi uber nationalist and a Charvesta Revolutionary uber Marxist. The only thing missing is the land reform. Maybe that's for later? But as few natives remain, maybe they'll just ignore their rights... God knows they always have. An entire culture replaced by a European one. Entire languages destroyed.
Timmerman should take time to read about his country's history.
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