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Mercosur “going through its worst moment in history” claims Uruguay
Uruguay’s Vice-president Danilo Astori said Mercosur is going through its worst moment in history because some of its members in practical terms “are denying the most basic principles”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSo as I understand it, if Argentina can restrict and retard the growth of another nations economy they will do so as a matter of policy. And if they cannot they will threaten and even, if they have the capacity to do so, instigate war.
May 09th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the time they will call it 'peaceful diplomacy'.
I mean, who WOULDN'T want to be a part of that kind of 'organisation'?
blatant political blackmail by choke-holding areas of Uruguays economy.
May 09th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Twisted actions by a twisted semi-dictatorship.
Like any bully, when she cannot get her way, she starts threatening anyone that objects to her madness.
May 09th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is going to end very badly for Argentina, unless they get rid of the mad woman in the Casa Rosada. It appears that she is determined to drive her country into the same mess that the last Junta did. Except this time, none of the Latin American countries or the European ones will come to her aid.
Let's face it, Argentina is a failed state. No-one will want to trade with them, for fear of not being paid. No-one will back them when they damage the interests of their neighbours. No-one will support them, when the mad woman jumps up and down in a tantrum.
It would help if the self-proclaimed but not really “leaders” of fair and honest trade would allow small countries like Uruguay unrestricted access to their markets and no price distortions. At least then there would a precedent for just trade.
May 09th, 2012 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When.... dear uruguayans you´ll open your eyes and see how much time and resources you ´ve wasted joining that dying idiocy called mercosur.
May 10th, 2012 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sheer up and leave it, open your trade and your country will come up very soon.
At this point, in Uruguay only government officials still pretend to believe anything Argentina promises. And not even all of them. Wish we had 300+ miles of rough waters separating us from Argentina, and the Brits to bolster our armed forces. Falklanders: believe me, you're lucky!
May 10th, 2012 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just suppose for one insane moment that Argentina did gain sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, which is has likely as the Pope and KFC having a love child, what would Argentina be like in the region then. Who or what would be on her radar next. Reminds me of a certain person who marched into the Sudeten Land and then declared he had no further territorial ambitions and we all know what followed next.
May 10th, 2012 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are there no sanctioning bodies within Mercosur? Seems crazy that Argentina can sign up to a free trade block and then randomly bar imports on a whim.
May 10th, 2012 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay is a great Nation. It might be small and not particularly powerful, militarily, but so what. They conduct themselves in a quiet and dignified manner which should earn respect.
May 10th, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems this VP is trying to undermine his President for his principled close relations with Cristina...dirty politics indeed...
May 10th, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0MercoSur has never worked. It will be gone or greatly reduced shortly.
May 10th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a funny headline, Mercosur is living the dream, SouthAmerica has never been so united since independence from Spain, even if now there are differences of opinions about the restrictions.
May 10th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What would we be now if we had accepted the Northamerican project to create a free Trade Area in the previous decade? We would be suffering a strong crisis just like greece or Spain. Hugo Chavez and Nestor Kirchner did a great job supporting and expelling all that NorthAmerican pressure to kill MercoSur. Nowadays we are seeing the good effects of that.
The truth is that Argentina and Uruguay have suffered crisis together and have enjoyed growth together. Every time Argentina does well that's also good to uruguay.
Appart from this: Argentina is a better society today after the two laws voted yesterday, one to let people choose to die with dignity in cases of not-recoverable illnesses and the other to give people the wright to change its gender. This is also progress, not only economic growth, Mercopress and other media never care about this, but these laws are important to live closer to social equity.
“two laws voted yesterday, one to let people choose to die with dignity in cases of not-recoverable illnesses and the other to give people the wright to change its gender. ”
May 10th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is right up The Mad Bitches' street: she can become a 'man' and if that doesn't work she can have herself 'put down'.
Wonder if we can get her to skip the first part.
Seriously though, Uruguay has failed utterly in the years from 2001 to find alternative markets and put two fingers up to Mercosur.
Yes, I know the Mercosur rules forbid it but everybody else ignores them when it suits them. Playing by the rules in LatAm gets you nowhere, you only have to look how the Argies have abused everybody in the pact to realise that.
And as for the statement “You can’t suggest to entrepreneurs to look for other markets” is simply underlining my thoughts exactly. If you don't look, you will never find them.
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May 10th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kinda like when in the early 1800s someone tried to gain a clear foothoold on South America and well, coudn't do it their military didn't deliver. Imagine if they had taken control of the River Plate. If it wasn't for the people of Buenos Aires, what would have been in their radar next... the Pampas, Patagonia, the resource rich lands in north Chile/southern Peru (which caused a war anyway), probably Uruguay as a puppet state.
They ha to settle for a small corner of useless jungle land in northeastern South America as their only presence in South America.
Reminds me of a certain crown that marched into the tip of Africa and then said had no further territorial ambitions just taking over the cape to prevent the French from getting it, and we know what happened next.
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May 10th, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The US will be back on the scene sure enough. you can count on it. It has ignored south america for a while but when the UK's good friend romney is elected I'm sure that the USA will be back interfering in your continent and dictating the policy of your continent.
It already has military bases in colombia and once chavez goes you may start to find them springing up in Rg Land, Venezuela, bolivia just to make sure you behave yourself.
The USA can't pay a salary without Chinese approval. No chance of your scenario happening this is 2012 not 1955.
May 10th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Romney will leave SA alone as he will surely implement harsh austerity creating major internal unrest, and though he may keep the military the same, the Middle East, Asia-Pacific and Europe consume all the resources and psychological will as is.
The USA is done in South America and has been since the mid 1980s, and has no capability or economic buget to return. Colombia may be the exception but the amount of troops there is tiny.
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May 10th, 2012 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Youre crazy if you think that the US will stand by and allow Russia's influence to grow in south america right on the USA's doorstep.
Sooner or late they will be back.
there will be a major conflict in SA soon. Inevitable. A redrawing of your continents geo political map will probably then occur.
Toby, you have been wrong about everyone of your USA predictions. What ever happened to the mass race uprisings over Treyvon? People figured out wit was media hype and forgot about it.
May 10th, 2012 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no idea how we think.
The largest gathering so far has been for cutting the budget and FOR AUSTERITY not the other way around. In 2010 we had a massive turn over in Congress TO CUT ENTITLEMENTS. We are not European Socialists or South American Peronist/Marxists/Bolivarian Socialists. We will fix our problem with the next Prez. As of right now it looks like Romney is the clear front runner and I hope it stays that way.
BTW I see the $P is devaluation is speeding up, do you realize that everyday your U$ pay is going down?
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May 10th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Russia? Haven't seen any Russians around.
There may be a conflict in SA, but as with all prior conflicts demonstrated, Argentina will be on the side of those that GAINED territory. Just like in the Cisplatine war with Brazil (Uruguay is Argentina's sphere not Brazil's), Paraguay War (Formosa and Misiones from Paraguay), Pacific War (Puna de Atacama from Bolivia and Chile), the Desert War (La Pampa Province), the race for Patagonia with Argentina getting 85% of the landmass, Tierra del Fuego (half ceded by Chile), Martin Garcia island (ceded by Uruguay).
So I predict by 2040 Argentina will have more territories and the UK borders will be Trajan's Wall. :)
yankee boy,
People want austerity until it is them who is affected. Austerity is both cuts and tax increases...
The UK borders will be at Hadrian's wall.
May 10th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... oops!
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May 10th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As we have all stated before Argentina is an expansionist country. However the Falklands, as you well know, will never be yours. As for Scotland we'll see what they determine but my gut feeling is that they will vote to stay with the UK.
I'm assuming you meant Hadrians Wall BTW.
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May 10th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, that's fine. I accept that. But besides the error of trying to impose on the Falklands, what is wrong with expansionism? Worked really well for argie if not for all that expanionism we woudn't break the top 20 in landmass.
Austerity is cuts it should have nothing to do with tax increases. EU is doing their re-balancing incorrectly they are cutting and raising taxes at the same time that is why they are screwing up their economy. It is the same thing ARG is doing btw.
May 10th, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There will be no tax increases although I do expect them to level out the tax code and get rid of a lot of the credits to 1 off companies. Every 20-30 years you need a major overhaul of the tax code I expect it will happen with the next Prez.
Stick to Argentina comments you USA comments are ridiculously un-informed.
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May 10th, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its worked well for a lot of countries but it has stopped now. You might even say that its passe. The modern version isnt to take it over, but conquer it and then put a puppet government in charge, leaving it with the same name.
The problem for you RG's is that you have no patience and are far too insulting. If you had played a long game you could have at least shared the Falklands in time but the 1982 war and your current posturing now makes that null and void.
Political suicide for any UK political party now to give it up. As you and I both know the oil, for the UK, is an added dimension but even without the oil it would have made no difference to the UK (anyway we don't even know if there is any oil there worth extracting).
The oil to the Argentines appears however to be a red rag to a bull.
You are a strange country.
Did argentina gain territorie during the Falklands war? oh no i gess not haha.
May 10th, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 “Stick to Argentina comments you USA comments are ridiculously un-informed.”
May 10th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL
@24 “The oil to the Argentines appears however to be a red rag to a bull.”
LOL!
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Signed,
Tobias & Iraq
sooo.... Tobias is The_Telling_Troll as well lol nice to know!
May 10th, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hadrians Wall isn't the border between England and Scotland.
May 10th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hadrians wall was also constructed as a trade barrier, to collect taxes on imports from the North. That's where KFC got the idea from for her policies on imports, but I think even old Maximus Amountus Taxius, drew the line at 50%
May 10th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, Quick logistics question for you;
May 10th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are traveling to EU UK USA how do you pay for food, hotel etc when you can only exchange 25% of your salary into a different currency? Does it take you 1 or 2 years to pay for a weekend trip to London or NYC?
I'm just curious how it works...please enlighten us...
@22 Truth_Telling_Troll (#)
May 10th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 10th, 2012 - 02:26 pm
I think the main problem with this argument is that since KFC and the Malvinistas started this current spat, their argument has been that FI is a British colony and a clear case of expansionism.
Now however, you extoll the merits of Argentinian expansionism.
I think that the only people who could ever accept this as right and proper are Malvinistas.
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May 10th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm just being a realist, especially how things were done then. Had Argentina not gained Patagonia, the north, part of the Puna, or the Pampas from indian control, it would be a country the size of Buenos Aires, Cordoba, and Entre Rios, and Mendoza probably would have broken away from such a weak state (just like Gran Colombia split into three, Central America into 5, Peru-Bolivia split, etc).
We would be a colder weather Paraguay.
Isn't it the height of hypocrisy how the Brits lash at Argentina for the Indians and taking away land from others, but then when confronted with Empire they use the “it was how it was at the time” card?
Yet refuse to give the same excuse as valid reasoning for Argentina. Kinda shows clear-cut how irrational loathing evaporates logical objectivity.
@30
Wow, you must think I'm rich. I can't travel much of anywhere because I'm a broke student. I had a couple of nice trips as a kid/teen travelling on family trips, which any family at some point has the ability to do.
32 tobias your tobias again! (how many names do you have?)
May 10th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 030. So do you have to be rich to travel outside of your country? What is considered rich to you? I thought you have more spendable wages than we do here in the USA because everything is cheaper there?
May 10th, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Does it take you 1 or 2 years to pay for a weekend trip to London or NYC?”
May 10th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is rich. Weekend “trips” to London and NYC. Which btw, most of your countrymen can't do either.
35 Truth_telling_troll.
May 10th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would really like to know why you seem to need more then one name? is it because your a massive liar?
My friends and I take weekend ( usually 3 day) trips to EU/UK all the time. It's cheap and easy to fly from the East Coast.
May 10th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@37
May 10th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will ask on Yahoo! answers if someone taking weekend trips to Europe is “middle class”. I have a feeling of the answer.
And I don't get your point. If you can do that, great for you. I honestly don't mind nor care and think its great. Don't mind people making money and spending it how they wish.
@36
I never hid that fact, from the very beginning. You are the last one to find out, really. Ask yankeeboy.
Why the fuck would you do it? it seems very sad, i think i may feel sorry for you! silly little man. Multiple personality disorder is a illness, you could do with some help :p
May 10th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39
May 10th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't feel too bad. I have an additional life outside of here, thus I don't post every day, only one or two days a week and then you don't see me for 3 or 4 days. Usually I post mid-week the most and maybe sunday mornings.
My friends and I are all middle class.
May 10th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My point is how long would it take you to save for a trip to EU UK OR USA if you can only convert up to 25% of your salary. Even a weekend in NYC for a “middle class” argentinian must take a year or two....
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May 10th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you say so. I'm not going to debate how you view yourself. I will repeat however, most people in your country do not live in Manhattan and don't see a trip to Europe as a routine pastime. To most, it is the highlight of a year or even a few years. Sell the “Americans go on weekend trips to Europe and Japan” to your buddies here.
And btw, I have avoided mentioning the obvious since it is so basic I really thought it needed not be pointed out, but you do realize that flights from Argentina to Europe or the USA are 2.5 to 3 times the distance and thus at least 3 times as expensive, right? And since Argentina does not do friendly skies agreements with anyone, that puts a premium on seats.
You're being intentionally obtuse, I know you are at least 13 hours from civilization that is why I don't live there any longer. Plus I never said anything about Japan it is too far for a weekend. Don't be a ninny.
May 10th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When talk of forming Mercosur first started, it only involved Argentina and Brazil. Uruguay and Paraguay, the two small countries, hastened to join. We thoroughly regret it. Even if the smaller countries hadn't joined, Brazil and Argentina would have fallen out sooner or later, and Mercosur would no doubt be as dead as it is today.
May 10th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about a new but similar organization for Chile, Falklands, Paraguay and Uruguay? With a treaty of mutual defense with the Brits?
@43
May 10th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Duh, I put Japan exactly to prove my point. Thankfully we are far away from all you savages and thus avoid World Wars, most disease, and recurrent terrorist attacks and scares.
Hmm HIV and cancers are pretty high in BA plus you have a lots of diseases we don't have here, malaria, chagas, dengue...all poverty related diseases I guess. The only way we get those types of diseases is if some unfortunate soul brought them from some filthy country.
May 10th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Terrorist attack, I guess you don't care if the jews get blown up in BA doesn't count huh?
Wars, well let's see how that goes for you in 25-50 yrs if you continue to de-fund your defense. It's not your territory if you can't defend it. (You would think the Falklands War would have taught you that!)
@ 12 fermin....
May 10th, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a deluded load of horsesh*t.
Virtually all cancer is not a transmitted disease you brain fart.
May 10th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dengue? Hasn't been a case in three years, and all reported symtomps in-country are people coming from Brazil or Paraguay. There was one exceptional outbreak in 2008 or 2009 but it was a 100 year event.
HIV? American filth spread around the world. Same with the H1N1, what is it about North America that just “invents” new plagues every twenty/thirty years?
I care about the Jews, but guess what no terrorist attacks since then and not even threats. Instead you in the USA and Europe have scares every few months, when it doesn't actually happen. Are you going to compare how you live with the heart on you throat compared to me who doesn't even think about it when walking around town or getting on a metro train?
As for wars, well I thought you thought attacking the weak was despicable, like the invasion of the Falklands. I thought invading other countries and taking their land was “passe”...
Seems as usual, it is one standard for others and another standard for Argentina. Then you say you are trustworthy... HAHAHAHA.
You people contradict yourselves.
I didn't say anything about human to human transmission did you? Most of your cancer is caused by the terrible environmental conditions in BA (Riachuelo and Tigre come to mind) and all of the filthy smokers everywhere.
May 10th, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't the EU mission just targeted last week with a bomb? Isn't that terrorists or is that gov't sanctioned by CFK and her minions so it doesn't count?
No taking others's land and resources is quite in vogue but only if you are strong...
@49 La Campora state-sponsored terrorists, part of the militant wing of Front for Victory, bombed the EU office in Argentina.
May 10th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's what we're up against, simple terrorists.
Aerolinas Argentina didn't make payroll in April...
May 10th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 043 yankeeboy
May 10th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“dengue...all poverty related diseases I guess”
Dengue is becoming a world class problem and is far from poverty related.
Some areas of the USA now have a significant number of the population that have antibodies of the dengue virus (showing thay have had the virus at some time in the past).
Believe it or not some of the outbreaks have been caused by your own Army and the attempt to understand the transmission of the disease by carrying out covert tests using mosquitoes that have the dengue virus. Parts of Florida for instance. Papers released by the Pentagon for the Army Chemical Corps actions clearly state this was done in the 70s.
The EU are funding their own research which is showing that the mosquitoes that carry the virus (there are two types) are starting to gain a foothold within the EU boundaries. Migratory birds in the southern counties of the UK have been found to have the antibodies.
No vaccine is yet available but thankfully one has started its clinical trials but it will be several years before it is proven.
http://www.healthmap.org/dengue/index.php
May 10th, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of those countries look pretty poor to me and I don't see any dots in the USA.
As I said if we have it it was brought in by some unfortunate visiting a filthy country.
Tobias,
May 10th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite a lot of cancers are causes by infections, viruses, etc. They're pretty treatable too, before they get to the cancer stage. That's why undeveloped countries like Argtardia need to have better healthcare.
Human papillomavirus is an example of a common killer, that causes cancer.
Get over it.
@32 tobias (#)
May 10th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 10th, 2012 - 04:43 pm
I am being realistic right back at you and I find it interesting that I didn't mention Amerindians but you did. I didn't mention the British empire either. I don't live in the past, I don't dredge up ancient history. Britains imperial past holds very little of anything interesting to me and I take no pride in it. Your hypocracy argument is irrelevant but I have come to expect this.
If you want to turn back the clock and live in the past go ahead, fill your boots. But don't put words in my mouth.
@55 argtards live in the past because it's all they have.
May 10th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 056. They have a future it just scary..they'll be poor and cold, probably riding bikes and mules everywhere hahahaha
May 10th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53
May 11th, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor yankeeboy, he thinks I'm a dummy. Dengue is not present in Argentina except in exceptional circumstances like 2009 when there was massive flooding in Brazil/Paraguay and rivers carried eggs from the mosquito, which cannot survive in most of Argentina because they are vulnerable to hard freezes.
Malaria is non-existent.
Chagas has been reduced by 85% and remembering the insect that transmits it has its habitat core in northern Argentina, a warm, semi-dry area. It is not a bug that survives in wetter Brazil and points north, or further south.
How about the USA though...
Anyone ever heard of West Nile? Argentina is free of it, but in the mighty USA it is endemic in all states. They can't defeat a mosquito.
Ever heard of Lymes disease? That is the USA's version of Chagas, a parasitic disease transmited to people and far more insidious than Chagas, because while Chagas shows clear symptoms sooner rather than later, Lymes can incubate and develop for years and by the time it is detected, people are utterly ill and have life-long chronic impairments.
Not to mention the USA is the world's epicenter for a disgusting resurgence of bed mites. People are adviced to fumigate and double dryclean sheets and clothes BEFORE departing that country, and do it again at home before storing.
So West Nile, Lymes, and as Chris said increasingly Dengue, and infestation of bed mites...
That would make you filthy rich... Literally.
@58 It's a shame then that what remains of your aboriginal community that you didn't brutally colonise, genocide and then smash the dignity out of, are now starving to death then.
May 11th, 2012 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Before genociding them, did you tell them that they have your 'utmost respect' and 'they'd not have to change their culture [spanish teachers, spanish teachers]', like you told the Falklanders?
You're all liars. FACT.
53 yankeeboy
May 11th, 2012 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am dismayed at your myopic attempt to obfurscate what is clearly a developing problem with Dengue Fever just to 'support' your elitist claims.
Had you bothered to check properly, you would find from your own government sources that Texas has more Dengue mosquitoes than North Mexico.
Also, you seem to have misunderstood the map you linked to: the blobs are 'latest' infections. Consider the dark areas of ongoing transmission. See Mexico. Why is Texas not shown? I suspect the map is not as good as it purports to be and is somewhat behind the reality on the ground, or is the US Government lying about this as well?
Dengue antibodies are also present in a significant population of Florida, or is that down to the Cubans and other 'poor' people.
I don't mind knocking the Argies when they deserve it, but facts are facts about Dengue Fever and should not be misrepresented for the sake of scoring points: it is way too serious for that.
The USA is the king of denial denials, and non-denial denials.
May 11th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Heck they still officialy endorse creationism OVER evolution (not even equals) and deny human made carbon dioxide heats the planet, only “natural” CO2 does.
Everyone knows most scientific progress in the USA has always been done by European scientists immigrating there, and today by Asians and Indians, because the average population (not yankeeboy's manhattan dwelling Europe weekend trippin clique), are not particularly educated people as you may expect from such a country.
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