MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
“Malvinas usurpation” affects all South American nations, argues Argentina
Defence Minister Arturo Puricelli once again claimed Argentine sovereignty over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands at the Unasur headquarters in Ecuador and warned that “the usurpation of the Islands affects all of the South American nations” plus insisting on the military/civilian ration in the Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesi) French Guyana? Hello ...HELLO?
May 11th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ii) Wouldn't need 930 military for every 1000 inhabitants if you warmongering little sh!ts hadn't invaded their islands.
iii) It's not defence if you're talking about invading someone elses islands, it's attack. Judging from the content of what he said, it should be called the South American Attack Council.
Seriously, who employs these folks, when they don't even know where French Guyana is. People with no GCSEs know that French Guyana is a part of the South American mainland.
What a bunch of stupid indoctrinated brain dead failed species ,
May 11th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who just happened to qualify as humans, it surely has got to be bad corrupt genes,
Everywhere they go, Falklands this , Falklands that, never in the history of mankind has ignorance been so addictive,
There is no known defence against zombies,
What the fxck has the Falklands got to do with these brain dead zombies,
People like these are never satisfied until the world bows down to them.
Eye says this, the sooner argentine either
1, break s up
2, CFK drops dead the better for mankind,
And that is being kind to them, my fellow brits will not be so forgiving.?????
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There are not 930 military for every 1,000 inhabitants. There are probably 930 military in total, for 3,000 inhabitants. There are civilian staff at the military base who provide services such as catering, cleaning, vehicle maintenance and the like, but they are not military and their numbers nowhere near make up the 2,000 shortfall either. Argentine figures plucked out of nowhere with no facts to back them up - who would have thought!!
May 11th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And has been stated a thousand times before - there wouldn't be a need for any military in the islands at all if it weren't for the constant aggressive harrassment & threat from Argentina.
@3 You're right the last census, which was some time ago, there were 3000 people excluding military personnel and families of. Their intelligence cannot be that bad, i.e. unable to read this from the internet, and so they're basically just prevaricating intentionally.
May 11th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I only hope 'good' places like Chile and Uruguay realise that these statistics they're quoting are fictional and lies.
The quality ( or lack thereof) of these Argie politicos is really mind boggling.In a race for the bottom of the pits I would not know who to vote for.They make the British ones look like exceptionally talented geniuses.
May 11th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0KFC needs to get a grip;no wonder Argieland is an international laughing stock.
It's like with YPF, they seem to think that by just saying 'legitimate claim' that it suddenly makes a completely illegal action, legal.
May 11th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Goebbels said “If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.” Argtard politicians seems to follow this method to cover their illegal activities, because I guess no one in argtardia is educated enough to know the truth. They don't even seem to know basic geography.
I can just see them now. Let the wanker get on with his usual shit, then we will get on with the rest of the agenda. Fucking embarrassing really.
May 11th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Defence minister Puricelli there’s almost one soldier per civilian in Malvinas”
May 11th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bloody hell! Is that GY?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljm1oymSv1k&feature=fvsr
@7 Defence Minister Arturo Puricelli: “And there are aliens... nearly 17 Aliens per 3 people, with eye... beady eyes that stare... And they use their space ships to help the Pirates gain extra sea bed to see our oil, it's our Oil!! And they use their flying saucers to threaten South America which we'd like to own, and we want Chile to support us even though we try to steal their land, and paraguay where we killed everone...
May 11th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... there are aliens usurping our 'legitimate' claim!!”
Audience: *complete silence*
3000 x 950 = 2 million 850, 000
May 11th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 02000 x 950 = 1 million 900, 000
1000 x 950 = 950, 000
Troops
Take ya pick.
more argie lying crap
Let’s face it the only reason that we have a military presence on the Falkland Islands is that if we didn't the Argy bastards would be on the islands as quick as Néstor Kirchner went up Botox’s nickers on their wedding night, Frigging hell what a horrible thought that is.
May 11th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JK Rowling, you reading this? Another ten books in it for you.
May 11th, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In our South America there’s only one enclave ” is this man as stupid as Timmerman.... French Guyana anybody ..LOLOing
May 11th, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In other words, “we want to annex the islands, but we want to use someone else's armed forces to achieve that”. What a vile and cowardly design!
May 11th, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will not send any soldiers to the borders. Not since the british showed you how to kick our asses and send us home with us tails between their legs.
May 11th, 2012 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And how many American military are there in south America .
May 11th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lets see, 1000 British troops 300 miles off the coast and THATS A THREAT TO THE WHOLE OF SOUTH AMERICA? Fuck i knew our boys were good, but shit, not that good! Ferk they going to supply the rowing boats and oars!
May 11th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
May 11th, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ok its 2009, but interesting,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/27/anger-america-colombia-bases-deal
Americans in south America,
CFK;S NEW EMPIRE .
Marcos- why do you and Boticelli or whatever his name is always show everyone on here how thick you are?
May 11th, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Total Uniformed British Forces here is about 1200 - current civilian permanent population- EXCLUDING some 300-500 civilain support staff and families at the military base- is just over 3000
1200-to- 3000 - yes I agree a high figure. BUT those 1200 are providing the “minimal credible defence” needed for the Islands - An area the size of Wales - now that is not many sevicemen per square kilometer is it?
Also - if the population was 300,000 the simple FACT is that the number of uniformed military personnel would NOT change.
Do please try and one day get a little bit of a brain at least. I know that is hoplessly impossible for your Def Minister,Foreign Minister and the idiot in your US Embassy.
We are that good.
May 11th, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some say; We once created a dooms day device with 2 matchsticks and a pineapple.
And that we can manifest earth quakes with a single sneéze.....
All we know is, we're in an RG dream.............
Ministerial codswallop.
May 11th, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Call it what it is. It's bullshit!
May 11th, 2012 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First of all the Rg's know that they have no legitimate claim to the FI. If they ever got them they would laugh their backs off at the UK being so weak as to hand them over because they ranted and raved.
May 11th, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Secondly this:
”..following deep concern about the possible presence of US military in South American bases”
there are 7 fucking US bases in colombia.
Next there is French Guyana - actually on the SA mainland.
Next there is Aruba a mere 27km from Venezuela. Dutch territory.
Also its now usurpation of american territory - not RG territory.
The Rg claim is total and utter bullshit. they are a complete laughing stock. the more they speak the more stupid and deluded they appear. they contradict each other at will.
finally as for the UK military, lets make this clear - UK TROOOPS ARE ON THE ISLAND BECAUSE YOU INVADED THE FUCKING ISLANDS IN 1982 AND YOU WOULD DO THE FUCKING SAME IF THEY WERENT THERE.
Utter crap from yet another completely hopeless RG politician.
I just read this in the BA Herald. He seems to try and suggest that a small Island 300 miles off their coast, with inhabitants of 3000 + 1000 or so british servicemen, is a sttrategic threat to the entire South Americas! Somebody more intelligent than me, explain? please?
May 11th, 2012 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So The Falklands are well defended, so what..... The question is why is it so defended? i will give you a clue 1982 and it is the UKs business how we defend our people not yours..
May 11th, 2012 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would be more worried how you are going to run your car in the coming months.
@24
May 11th, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they are shit scared of the UK Armed forces. Even a force of 1200 has them in a cold sweat. Cretina has probably asked them if they would like to go to war with the UK and their soldiers probably just laughed asked what with and got back to playing cards.
RG's - utterly soft as shite.
I just don't see whats in it for the other countries of South America to provide more than verbal support.
May 12th, 2012 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0'27
May 12th, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Neither do they.
they give them lip service because they know that if they dont they would likely invade their neighbours. Ask yourself how Rg Land got to be the size it is and reflect on their expansionist policies at the expense of their so called neighbours.
Rg Land now looks totally chaotic and their neighbouring countries are now distancing themselves from Buenos aires. no one wants to be around when they declare war on the Falklands and when their country implodes.
what with the news that La Campora are now providing the internal security rather than the police and inflation running out of control you could be forgiven for the opposition calling for a revolution in the country.
what a state to be in.
It all looks very unstable at the minute.
If the Argentinians want to know why the the UK has troops on the FI, read the story of the FI children visting Chile. If they wan't to know why a fleet sailed 8000 miles, read the story of the FI children visiting Chile. If they want to know why sovereignty, will never, never be negotiated, read the story of the FI Children visiting Chile. If the they want to know why 255 brave men gave their lives, read the story of FI children visiting Chile. If they want to know why more will give their lives, read the story of FI children visiting Chile.
May 12th, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have an idea and maybe the UN would sanction it (maybe not) because the UN prefers talking to fighting.
May 12th, 2012 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everytime Argentina wants to talk to (try to manipulate) another country re. Las Malvinas then they should be accompanied by an FI or British spokesperson to refute the claims - a balance. Seeing as Argentina maintains the issue of sovereignty, has a history of illegally invading the FI, and the UN recognizes the FI as a BOT then Argentina would have to pay for the FI or British spokesperson's service and expenses.
Everytime they do so without the FI or British Spokespersons counter claim they should be fined by the UN and the money given to a charity for Argentine and British soldiers of the FI conflict and families of.
Ok I really havent thought this through but something along those lines.
Just a minute, as I understand it, geographically the Falkland Islands are in the South Atlantic not South America.
May 12th, 2012 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only “colonial enclaves” in South America are... (wait for it... roll of drums...)
ARUBA!!!!! and.... FRENCH GUAYANA!!!! (Another roll of drums....and.... fade out)
Inspite of Puricelli trying to bang UNASUR drum against Falklands, South America is absolutely wracked by border and territorial disputes throughout the continent. Its not just disputes at the national level, but many provinces and cities can't agree on common borders and territories. Even individual residential and farm land ownership is highly disputed.
May 12th, 2012 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Paradigm” is being over-worked by Argentines now, whether its Puricelli, or the old Argie war-criminal, ex-Malvinas warrior Aldo Rico, or the Argentine intellectuals. All say they're looking for a new paradigm - but then continue to demand that the Falkland Islands community be served up to Argentina on a silver platter.
Another paradigm is that its a catch-22 for Argentina, because while CFK figures that Britain is spending lots on Falklands defence, if Argentina were to somehow guarantee absolutely no belligerence against Falkland Islands community, then there is little to incent Britain to a “negotiation” table to give up the Falklands. However, if CFK continues her noxious attitude that suggest further discriminatory measures against the Falklands that MIGHT include some sort of extreme prejudice (and possible future invasion by an even more-desperate CFK) - Britain ain't going anywhere from Mount Pleasant Base.
@22: Argentina has guaranteed no belligerence against the british community in the islands, I don't know where are the prooves to say that Argentina is a threaten fot them, that's just what the british conservative media says all the time to have an excuse to maintain the military presence in here.
May 12th, 2012 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Appart from that, why would Argentina be belligerent against the islanders?? This is NONSENSE. It only has sense in that hollywood story that the Foreign Office has invented to try to provoque Argentina (because wars is what they like, not negotiations), that story that shows Argentine Government like an aggressive monster, grounded zero story. On top of that, how can Argentina be a threaten if it is hasn't got a powerful army??
Argentina would never be a threaten to a land that all argentines consider part of its territory. So please, do not project the european colonialist habits on countries that have never seized land.
Your comment is good I guess because it shows ideas that many people can have; and it is important to show that those ideas really have no fundaments and the UK is not militarizing the islands because of protection of islanders, it is because they are protecting natural resources that never belonged to them.
They are here because the islands are an strategic geopolitical corner of the world, and because they want to be near the Antart
About CFK, what are the supposed reasons for the desperation you are talking about? A president that has been re-elected by 54% of argentine voters in a country that is living economic growth at chineese rates for a decade already, living a democracy never seen before in the country.
Is CFK is desperate then Cameron would be schizofrenic already with all the problems he has.
And appart from that all Argentinians support CFK in this peaceful process of claim (that started long ago, not with CFK), it is not like in the Uk where the common english/scottish/welsh don't care about the islands.
33: Example of Argentine belligerence against Falkland Islands people is the continuing food blockade. Even the hotly-debated American economic blockade against Cuba doesn't include food.
May 12th, 2012 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Falklands Economic Blockade”: http://vimeo.com/40022322
“U.S. food sales to Cuba soar 61 percent in 2008”:
http://vimeo.com/40022322
31 Simon68 (#)
May 12th, 2012 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Just a minute, as I understand it, geographically the Falkland Islands are in the South Atlantic not South America”
Not that I have any doubts about that you were not an Argentinian as you claimed, but reading your comment above clearly shows that you are an ignorant Brit.
@33 so if i had beaten you up last week, and then this week i stood in the entrance to your house and blocked you each time you tried to go to the shops, would you think i was being peaceful? If you then got a baseball bat to protect yourself from me, should i tell the police you're being aggressive, or would you be justified on getting that bat, considering my behaviour?
May 12th, 2012 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 033 so if i had beaten you up last week, and then this week i stood in the entrance to your house and blocked you each time you tried to go to the shops, would you think i was being peaceful? If you then got a baseball bat to protect yourself from me, should i tell the police you're being aggressive, or would
May 12th, 2012 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem was crated by uk,NOT ARgentina.Just comply with the international law,the 10 UNGA res,the 30 c-24 res.Mercosur,OAS, 6 nobel prize,etc...
uk is an IDIOT,law breaking country! Do not like the way Argentina treats the Malvinenses and uk? NO problem,sue Argentina.After all uk has a veto power in the UN,isn't?/
If not why you complain? Argentina is doing nothing ilegal,brits pricks!
@37 nearly all of those resolutions were deemed null and void by your invasion and the rest of the things you (repeatedly!) mention are not at all legally binding so your just wasting your time, you might as well tell me your friend's grandma told us to listen to your twaddle, it would be just as relevant.
May 12th, 2012 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like many others on these forums, I would like an answer to the “French Guyana usurpation question”.
May 12th, 2012 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0How is it that a French colonial enclave on the South American mainland attracts little or no attention from it's neighbours?
The presence of this colony should be anathema to a country such as Argentina, who would like us to believe in their determination to rid the entire continent of colonial infestation and influence. They should be insisting that FG be returned to the whole of Latin America; then they can carve it up between them. I'm sure the FGs would be eternally grateful.
39: the French didn't hand Argentina's arse to them on a plate, so tehre's no giant cause for them to get behind. If French Guyana used to belong to, say, Brazil or Suriname, Argentina would in no way claim it was an affront or threat to all of South America, it's a completely self serving nation who takes their own petty insecurities and tries to pretend it's a bigger issue when everyone can plainly see it isn't at all. The only reason why the Falklands issue affects all of South America is because Argentina dominates every trade or other meeting with it and won't shut the f*** up about it.
May 12th, 2012 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0The decolonisation committee removed the area from their hitlist because French Guyana elects two representatives to the French National Assembly so they have direct say over their treatment by the French government, as the Falklands doesn't have that, they are still listed. Therefore, if the Falklands had someone sitting in the UK parliament, they would be deemed in control of their own affairs and removed from the decolonisation list, leaving Argentina to whine alone.
22: No, it is much worse- it is unprofessional.
May 12th, 2012 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@33
May 12th, 2012 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you miss the 1982 invasion cost 1000 lives?
We don't trust you not to do it again.
The Falklands were never usurped from anyone, no civilian population was ever removed, and the resources within 200miles fall under the law of the sea so they belong to the islanders.
@42 Reality is falling on deaf ears. They're ascribed to a line of thought where they, like the Nazi germans before them, can go around stealing what they feel like stealing. The logic upon which they entrust these views is utterly pitiful. However, they will continue to assert the desire to thieve and steal as they see fit and claim legitimacy by just saying 'legitimate right' a lot, as if theft is a legitimate right.
May 12th, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos is just from the same La Campora puddle as those who have replaced the police force in Argentina with their brown shirts and beating of farmers. He's unwilling to embrace a conversation without attempting to divert it onto another topic. That's all that He, Tobias, Think and the rest of the La Campora scum ever engage in, and let's face it, it's frightfully tiresome.
Moreover, these people are just faceless liars. Discussion of letting the Argtards anywhere near the Falklands is just a crime to humanity, ethics and morality.
What gets me is why the Malvinistas so uptight about our small military garrison at Mt Pleasant. If they have nothing but peaceful intent why are they so frothy about it. We know the UK won't do anything militarily unless provoked militarily. What do they want to get rid of MPC for? What would they do if MPC didn't exist? I think we all know the answer to that. Like I've said on here before: Argentina say they are a peaceful nation because they don't have the military assets to be what they wish they were. You can't have it both ways CFK. You can't have a military with any might to take on the UK for fear that they would take on your government. Who would your biggest enemy be Cristina? The UK or your own country?
May 12th, 2012 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0So much stories about the Falklands is making me want to visit it...Argentina is making great promotion for them. Surely a cool place.
May 12th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982 we had just 20 marines on the Falklands... look what that cost us. Now we've put a modest deterrent force on the islands, according to Argentina the whole of South America is cowering in fear. Ridiculous.
May 12th, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually everyone, the Argentinians are correct. There is that high of a troop level per inhabitant on the Falklands.
May 12th, 2012 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0In addition to the defense related service people stationed there, there are THOUSANDS of evil murdering Gurkha soldiers in hiding armed with their blood thirsty khukuri knives. All waiting for the next Argentine visit....
@44 MPC is a continuous reminder that there are consequences to the actions of the Argtard people.
May 12th, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0KFC is desperate to rewind the clock, and forget the fact that the world and political situation has progressed since 1982. You can see this from her references to UN GA resolutions from before 1982, and yet her lack of reference to the UN SC resolutions that were ignored in 1982 by her own people. Her ambassador refers to facets of negotiations that were taking place before they turned the negotiations into a military war, and the 'attack' secretary uses population statistics from many many moons ago. They're desperate to wind back the clock to when negotiations on sovereignty were still relevant, and the British saw them as a possibility.
Since that point the world has progressed, the FIG is now representing the opinion of the Falklanders, through self-determined democratic means and with a mature relationship with the UK as a BOT. MPC is a fantastic training facility for the British Forces, and as such provides the opportunity to protect the Islands from 'another' attack.
It's not 1982. Discussion on sovereignty is completely inappropriate, with Nestor himself walking out of fishing and oil discussions, because he couldn't turn back time. MPC is just a massive reminder of the fact the Argentines are i) untrustworthy ii) warmongering iii) expansionist iv) had their arses handed to them, and the presence of MPC shows that whatever the Argentines say is just utter baseless lies.
Never trust an Argie.
“the Argentine armed forces can’t be used as a dissuasion instrument to challenge neighbours”
May 12th, 2012 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“As Minister of Defence I am not authorized to move a single soldier to the border with a dissuasive purpose against any neighbour of Argentina, no matter whatever conduct or circumstances might emerge. We are profoundly convinced that there is no destiny for our countries if we don’t consolidate the paradigm of Unasur presidents: “South America, a peace zone”
So much for all this stuff about the local bully =)
#33 “About CFK, what are the supposed reasons for the desperation you are talking about? A president that has been re-elected by 54% of argentine voters in a country that is living economic growth at chineese rates for a decade already, living a democracy never seen before in the country.
Is CFK is desperate then Cameron would be schizofrenic already with all the problems he has.”
Very well put
#28 & #43 Where is this “news” that La Campora have replaced the police? Or could you just be telling lies??
@49 You are trusting of the untrustworthy. I cannot understand the motivation behind your belief in their honesty, when they themselves are aware they're always dishonest.
May 12th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you have a psychological issue, I'm yet to determine the reasons behind it though.
@48GY,
May 12th, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never trust an Argie-
l don't.
@8 There's a reason he's called Putrid Jelly. Stink, stink. Wobble, wobble!
May 12th, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 I think I can do that! First of all, the vile British send out small parties, 10-12, of their most highly-trained special forces to the bulwark of South America (guess) posing as schoolchildren. These parties (only one or two per year) subversively infiltrate argie society spouting imperialist propaganda such as truth, honesty, honour, abiding by agreements. You can see how quickly 20-24 infiltrators could subvert the whole 41 million argie population and persuade them not to covet their neighbours' land, cattle, resources, wives. Then it would be time to move on to the next objective. Brazil, for example. With a population of only 192million, it should only take around 8 million years before Brazil fell to the filthy British propaganda. Then there would only be ten free countries left!
@33 Of course we believe you, vermin. Now let's see. Argieland claims that it has right to own the Falklands because the Islands are on the South American continental shelf. Here's a project for you. Get out your atlas and identify all the countries that are on a continental shelf. I'll give you a start. Try Madagascar. Argieland insists South American ports refuse Falklands-flagged vessels. Argieland imposes sanctions on businesses with interests in the Falklands and argieland. Argieland demands that vessels visiting the Falklands have argie permits. Argieland turns away cruise ships from argie ports. Argieland refuses “right of innocent passage” to vessels sailing between Falklands and, say, Uruguay. Argieland refuses to trade with Falklands. Argieland tries to impede LAN Airlines flight between Chile and Falklands. Argieland regularly tells lies all around the world about the Falklands. Yep, I can see how Argieland isn't belligerent!
@37 If you don't think you are doing anything illegal, you won't mind if we block all your ports and fly combat air patrols over your borders, will you?
37 nearly all of those resolutions were deemed null and void by your invasion and the rest of the things you (repeatedly!) mention are not at
May 12th, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boovis: Null and void? BY whom?There are 5 UNGAres,after the Argentine recuperation of MAlvinas,in 1982.Strange no body noticed they are void...except the brits pirates of course!
There continue to be res by: Mercosur,OAS,LATAM,supporting Argentina rigth.
2011,2012..very current support.uk ROGUE nation!
Tell me boovis : How much of a LIAR can you be???
The Wop defence minister Persilwasheswhiter has exceeded even my expectations for Argie lies.
May 12th, 2012 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can a defence organisation be used for attack as they claim the troops staitoned in the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) will be?
Mind you, 1200 British Troops are enough to scare all the Malvinistas shitless, being the abject lying cowards that they are.
French Guiana, while sharing some similar sovereignty issues with the Falklands, as a different historical trajectory. In 1901, France allowed a Swiss arbitrator to give a huge chunk of FG territory to Brazil, and since then, issues with Brazil have mostly been illegal settlers coming across the border. However, France still has a lot of its government and military presence in FG, what with all the commercial rocket-launching going on. FG is not a list OCT like the Falklands, but rather is an EU Outermost Region of France, but not sure if Falklands would benefit from the Falkland Islanders and Britain agreeing to move from status of OCT to one of Outermost Region?
May 12th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 5 UN GA resolutions that say what precisely? 2065 was made deader than a dodo by your invasion of the islands. Since 1988 the UN GA gave up making resolutions 'advising' anything since diplomatic relations were restored. Can you tell us precisely what, since 1982 has been left out, because let's fact it Nestor taking the unilateral decision to walk out of trilateral discussions went completely against anything the UN said. Beside, you Argies just ignore the UN resolutions, so you're just talking sh!t.
May 12th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The other bodies are just nonsense collections of failed states. They get ignored too.
@55 The relationship between the UK and it's BOTs is fine. It's just the Argtards being greedy, so it's better to ignore them. The fact this 'minister' doesn't even discuss French Guyana makes his speech just a massive joke, which apparently the Argtards think is actually serious.
It's just lies.
The Falklands, French Guiana (not Guyana), and Aruba by definition are not enclaves, but exclaves. An enclave lies totally within the boundaries of another territory, whereas an exclave is a territory that is not contiguous to its metropolitan state. All of these have their own EEZ which borders on the high seas and are therefore not totally surrounded by another territory. And French Guiana borders on two countries.
May 12th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@57 The Argies think the entire South Atlantic belongs to them, therefore the Falklands is an enclave within their massive claim to all the seas in the world. They use 'enclave' to make it sound more emotive, like the South Atlantic and South America are one and the same thing, which we educated people know it isn't.
May 12th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's just an extension of their lies, to make people think the lies are truth, and if you remember that most Argtards are uneducated, then they're all too weak minded not to believe it.
I know why the Argentines do it. My comments were not only for Argentines, but also those who mentioned French Guiana and Aruba.
May 12th, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 FFS, how many times do you have to be told? Selective hearing or selective sight? UNGAs are NON-BINDING. They mean NOTHING. They are as irrelevant as YOU. As far as MercoSur, UnaSur, OAS, Latam etcetera are concerned, you can shove them where the monkey shoves his nuts. Except up YOURS. Now here is an important question. WHEN are you going to come out with anything intelligent? But I suppose I'd have more chance of getting an intelligent response from the squirrel(s) and fox(es) that come into my garden. Mind you, I shoot at them!
May 12th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For our ignorant friends:
May 12th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0During the 1600-1800 period the Falkland Islands changed hands many times between Britain, France and Spain until France gave up and Spain and Britain formed a truce. When Spain was thrown out of South America from various wars of independence, Britain was left with the last standing legal claim. However, the early Argentine Republic also decided it wanted the Falklands but instead of claiming it, it attempted to subdue the private settlement/penal colony of one Louis Vernet, a merchant from Hamburg. Vernet had already gone to the British for permission to be on the Falklands and recognised Britain's ownership. But when Britain found out that Vernet was in league with the Argentinians they sent a ship to eject him and the garrison from the settlement but allowed the settlers to stay on. While this irritated Argentinia, by 1850 Argentinia had forgotten about the issue and legally dropped its claim in a treaty with Britain.
It was not until the 1950s that Peron started to fill the minds of Argentinians with propaganda and distorted historic facts. While this would be difficult to corrupt so many minds in a normal country it is relatively easy to achieve with a nation that sits in 100th place in the Index of Corrupt Nations.
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May 12th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll just have to learn to ignore the Argentinian's, they twist the words and the facts to suit their own thining, so it's just best to not ecourage them.
So, another brainwashed Agrentinian is raving on about how the Falklands really belong to them........... Well it's news isn't it?
Discussion of exclaves-enclaves, while CFK is making approach to Vladimir Putin, might be useful to know that Russia now ramping up development of its Kurile Islands - only taken from Japan in 1945 at same time as exclave Kaliningrad taken from Germany (ex-Königsberg), and like Kaliningrad, all the Japanese were evicted from the Islands and Soviets replanted their own citizens.
May 12th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now if CFK gets any traction at all with Vladimir Putin, might be useful to recall that, unlike the Falklands, Russian claims to Kuriles and Kaliningrad are very sketchy indeed.
Refs:
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_05_12/74537891/
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_05_12/74537891/
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_05_12/74537891/
@63 ... and while at the UN, they could ask Ban Ki Moon about the Liancourt Rocks that they expropriated off the Japanese when the USA had decimated them after the war. The South Korean leader went completely against international tribunals, and decided to just draw a different line to that which was historically accepted and took the islands off of Japan.
May 12th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They also have a group like La Campora called VANK who go around telling people what to call things. Like La Campora want to invent the 'Argentine Sea', based upon their land grab South Korea want the Sea of Japan to be renamed to 'Sea of Korea'.
Like Argentinian history has been rewritten to make the Falklands a part of their territory when in reality it was not, the South koreans have also rewritten their history books to claim the islets. In addition, like Argentinians have renamed everything they can after the 'malvinas argentinas', the south koreans have renamed pretty much everything after 'dokdo'.
Curiously, we don't see the UN discussing the decolonisation of Dokdo, nor the Kuriles.... just as they don't discuss the decolonisation of Patagonia.
It's just a complete furkshow.
@61
May 12th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not entirely accurate, Vernet himself was arrested by the US for piracy and taken to Montevideo. The remnants of his private population were all actively encouraged to stay when the HMS Clio arrived. All but four decided to stay and were still there when documented by Charles Darwin as he passed through on HMS Beagle later.
The penal colony you refer to was not associated with Vernet, it was in fact “Argentinian”, and had been set up in November 1832. The Argentines had already mutinied and murdered the captain of the ship and had only been on the islands three months when the Clio had arrived.
So, the private Vernet community of five years (as you say preceded by 140 years of French/Spanish/English communities) was encouraged and decided to stay. The murderous, mutinous Argentine penal colony of three months were evicted (no civilians in this very small group).
P.S. They actually murdered their own captain in front of his wife and young child.
There is much to be ashamed of in British history, but this particular episode (November 1832-1833) is not one of them.
I am not surprised that the Argentine Nazi propaganda machine wishes to portray it differently. But, the British claim to the Falklands starting in the 1500s, through to 1690, co-settlement with the French, and 180 years of peaceful settlement since 1833....versus a tiny penal colony of three months in 1832 who murdered their own leader in front of his family. ..doesn't sound a great claim to “legitimate sovereignty” to me.
Nevertheless, Britain has the last standing legal claim to the Falkland Islands which was re-inforced by the fact that in 1850 Britain and Argentina signed and agreement settling all outstanding differences.
May 12th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South American for South Americans, go home invaders!!
May 12th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67 I agree. Thankfully the Falklands and South Georgia aren't in South America. That's why their democratically elected government representative government never gets invited to some corrupt bag-o-sh!te South American nonsense. You should try getting a map, and look under 'South Atlantic'.
May 12th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fooking retard.
@67
May 12th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Last time I looked the Falkland Island's were not part of South America. The Falkland Islands actually sit on top of an area known as 'the Falkland Plateau' which is way out in the South Atlantic. If you would look at a map you would also see that South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are even further away from South America...
@67
May 12th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How does one become South American?
Do you have to be a direct decendant of an ethnic South American tribe? Or perhaps a direct descendant of one of the genocidal conquistadors? Or maybe if you have a 200 year peaceful existence in a land with no indigenous population and no forced decolonisation...you actually have as much right to be “South American” as anyone else!
Or more than most!
For any retards reading this:
May 12th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South America is here **
Africa is closer to Europe than the Falklands are to South America...
Here endeth the lesson for retards.
The real Argentine motives are also betrayed by their claims on South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. Neither are South American, neither can be lied about concerning things that never happened in 1830's...yet Argentina claim them too.
May 12th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly shows the real motives...a grubby 21st century land grab by a fascist regime.
To get to 1833,
May 12th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have to go past two very important dates, that overrides, anything before them.
1982
Then
1850
Thus 1833 is totally irrelevant
Totally out of date
Totally superseded.
Irrelevance chaps is for the brain dead.
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1850 is my favourite year for Argentina signing the settlement of all existing differences, which Peron decided to ignore because his friend Hitler promised him the South Atlantic after he won the war. He didn't win the war.
May 12th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72 You remind me of when the British contracted your typical argentine to help take apart a whaling station in South Georgia as a private enterprise. This guy then invited along the Argentine navy, who then invaded.
That's how much you can trust Argtards. Not one iota.
And we kicked them of them islands as well.
May 12th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#50 Greek its not about who I may trust or even may be wrong to trust, the question I asked was why should I trust you when you throw around comments like “La Campora have replaced the police” with no evidence, when I think it would have been reported if it had actually happened, no?
May 12th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Putridjelly tries once again to pull in all the other latam countries. The ratio is a nonsense, good job Falklands isn't a swiss territory, 50% of all adults can be called up for military service and all that have undertaken military service usually keep their weapons kit at home.
May 12th, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 049 BK
May 12th, 2012 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We know the Argentine armed forces can't be used to remove us because Argentina doesn't have what- in 2012- would be considered an armed force.
If you deadbeats want the islands convince the world they should be yours and have us removed. Stop talking and do it.
Wake me up when my transport arrives.
#78 Exactly, how can you accuse Cristina of warmongering when she has acted almost as a steryotype of a female leader (in a good way that is) in demilitarising her country and promoting human rights at home and dialogue abroad?
May 12th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79 BK
May 12th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is in a long line of de-militarisers, trying to prevent a military coup at home more than anything else. She certainly not promoting human rights of the falklands, she ignores their rights totally.
@67 racist ... what a yawn.
@79
May 12th, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She demilitarized purely for peaces sake? How naive. How very naive...
So now the Falklands belong to the whole of South America do they?
May 12th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic rhetoric from a impotent corrupt government because they haven't got a capable armed forces. So now they're saying to the rest of SA, send YOUR young men to fight and die for the islands, and if you recover them, Argentina will take sovereignty and tell the rest of you to f*ck off. Then they'll start up with their equally erroneous claims on parts of Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay and anyone else they think they can rob blind.
Fortunately the rest of South America know exactly what Argentina is like, and wouldn't trust them as far as they could throw them.
Yup, I feel sorry for the poor Argentinians, their government is constantly embarrassing them on the world stage, and have now been reduced to begging others, first in the US for money, and now to the rest of SA for political backing. Obviously the big sweet FA they got at the OAS summit didn't sink in.
Had Argentina been successful in the 82 invasion I simply cant believe CFK or any Argentine would be thinking -well.. you know.. we feel bad for using military force to gain back our Malvinas because... you know.. we are essentially a peaceful nation.
May 12th, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No. It would have been remembered as a tremendous victory. In fact the nation would have been bolstered by the success and would have increased its military capacity. Probably would have had a go at invading Chile. In fact Argentina would likely still be a military dictatorship.
Argentina has reduced its military capacity for a number of reasons.
The pursuit for peace certainly isn't one of them.
@83 Tobers. Agreed.
May 12th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In fact if Argentina gets its way regarding the Falklands (it'll never happen, I know), but if they did, they would immediately start trying to 'recover' all the other land they erroneously believe they are entitiled to.
When Argentina talks of South America being one big nation, they mean it. They mean one big Argentine nation.
Remember all Argentina wants is peace! Peace, peace!
A little piece of Chile,
A little piece of Uruguay,
A little piece of Brazil,
Ans a little piece of Paraguay,
All of the Falkland Isles,
And some of Peru,
And if no one stops us,
We'll take Colombia too.
(with a nod to Mel Brooks)
That's Argentinian peace for you.
Argentine peace IS oxymoron.
May 12th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the Falkland Islands would “affect” all South American nations then the leaders of those nations would realise it. Being fed bullshit by Argentina means that, in reality, there absolutely no concern for all of the nations in South America.
May 12th, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only person that can give us peace is CFK,
May 13th, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but her peace is harrisment threats blockades , abuse ,
yep CFK is very peacefull indeed,
apparently the best pupil in her class , adolf was proud .
Poor, poor stupid malvinistas.
May 13th, 2012 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You yearn for something you can't have.
Won't ever have!
Sad
(not sad, extremely entertaining! snigger).
Does anyone reading this page think that CFK and her gang would be so stupid as to try to retake the Falklands by force, a repeat of the 1982 fiasco?
May 13th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine forces are not up to standard and would be given a bloody nose. I do not doubt the fighting spirit if the Argentine Air Force and remember they inflicted losses on the Royal Navy.
I remember the photo in the small airport in Las Cataratas with photos of the pilots who died in the conflict and the caption OFRECIERON SU VIDA POR SU PATRIA - what a waste of talent
The big bad Argentine wolf is huffing and puffing at the house of bricks and will not succeed in blowing down the Falklands house which is built of bricks.
It is likely that CFK and C0 have run their military capabilities down to a minimum for at least one good reason - they will be in no state to overthrow her when the time comes and the people turn against her.
May 13th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67 FO, shiteface.
May 13th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@76 And who gives a f*** about you?
@79 “Human rights”, dogturd? What would CFK, or you, know about “human” rights? Basic problem. Argturds aren't human. Wherever you dig your slimehole, neither are you.
The falklands are British for as long as the islanders want it that way. While they are British territory then we can deploy as many troops as we like and there is not a thing that Argentina can do about it.....................
May 15th, 2012 - 06:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will echo other posters and state the blood obvious: WE DON'T TRUST ARGENTINA, ARGENTINA'S PROMISES REGARDING PEACE ARE AS WORTHLESS AS HITLERS, AS LONG AS ARGENTINA SEEKS TO CONQUER THE ISLANDS WE WILL HAVE TO DEFEND THEM.
You are totally impotent to do anything about it.
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