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Argentina doesn’t want to start a trade war
By Jorge Argüello (*) - What defines a protectionist country nowadays? Is it when a developing country takes precautions against a flood of products with plummeting prices due to an international crisis? Or, is it when an export powerhouse delivers large subsidies exclusively for domestic production? In a world economy like today’s can protectionism be measured solely by Customs measures or those targeting imports? Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis is just typical of Argtard obfuscation. The submissions to the UN about the EU/USA are typically between the two rival communities, and rarely from without. What this man appears not to mention is that the sheer number of submissions about Argentina are the issue. Even within the ICSID the issue is the sheer number of submissions and unresolved issues about Argentina.
May 13th, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0The obsession of Argentinians to roll back the clock, referring to things that were relevant in 1933, 1983.. 1833 seem to be a common thread to any of the government 'messaging-propaganda'.
Whereas here in 2012 the trade war has already begun. Foreign investment in Argentina has already began the quick decline, based upon lack of market trust. Argentina's theft of its shares in a company have begun an irreversible trend to reduce imports of Argentine products. The USA has dumped them out of the preferences scheme.
I don't think Jorge Argüello reads newspapers, because if he did, he would be aware the trade war began a long time ago, and Argentines caused it.
Jorge !
May 13th, 2012 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just an advice to you ........
Claim a precondition for having export/import licences with Argentina
needed Latin origin people from USA..
let's sway them away ...........?
Jorge: “We need to work together with accurate information, a broader view to give new answers to old questions and the political will to increase trade to recover and strengthen the economies of our Americas and the world.”
May 13th, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jorge, INDEC doesn't produce accurate information. You put people in prison who produce accurate information, as you are currently doing it now. The IMF is considering whether to eject you because you're unable to produce accurate information. MacDonalds isn't even allowed to sell a Big Mac at the right price because you want to remove access to correct cost information. Even the Economist refuses to print your economic figures because they refuse to be a propagate your lies
So considering you think accurate information is the answer, it seems you're not in any way going about creating the solution.
Good post GreekY, there are some severely distorted facts in that document.
May 13th, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Much needed Argentinian investment has actually been in freefall for the past few years which is part of their economic woes and this all ties in with the trade wars and bizarre trade policies.
In the first half of 2011 it dropped 30% alone! Whilst in SA the level of foreign investment increase by over 54%
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-26/argentina-s-foreign-investment-dropped-30-in-first-half-of-2011.html
Although on a more positive note if Argentina got rid of CFK and has a modern and progressive government it could become seriously rich with its abundance of natural resources, its just the current government is stopping foreign investors make Argentina rich!
Argentina has already started the trade war.
May 13th, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0They seem a little slow on the uptake. This Argentine ambassador to the US seems a little lack-lustre, with no personality.
At least the RGs sent a clown to entertain the UK, with crazy red hair and everything. Very good at humiliating herself on the world stage.
Maybe the POTUS should ask CFK for one of her other clowns that she has littered her government with, someone who can at least entertain the masses whilst they're spouting their prevaricating drivel.
We can only imagine how Argentina would behave if it DID want to start a trade war.
May 13th, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Generalisation is always a sharp double-edged tool that may cut into even the one that wields it as a weapon. Firstly, increase in imports of a country that need resources from others is never proof that said country may not be engaged in a protectionist policy towards others. Secondly, indeed several countries and blocs including the USA and the EU have had cross-fire on their respective importation policies but also their stance has been based on facts about price dumping by some suppliers, especially China and some Latin American countries exporting fruit, in the case of the EU.
May 13th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina faces the present accusation because it has clearly acted with bad faith and very little will to previously negotiate a way out of the conflict. Anyone with some common sense can see that at a distance. Will it end up fighting even with a fellow member of the Latin American as is the case of Brazil? It seems that is Cristina Fernandez' very intention since back in 2009.
http://fernandofusterfabra.wordpress.com/2009/04/24/protectionism-in-times-of-crisis/
They don't want a trade war, the want what they always want: to set the rules of the game themselves and for everyone to play along and be labelled a bad sport if they don't. There's no problem if everyone does what they say, buttheads.
May 13th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0& 7
May 13th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly,you must reply to these two comments on linked blog before this comment here.!
Jorge Argüello is Argentina’s ambassador to the United States.
May 13th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Should have put this at the top, could have saved myself 5 mins and done something usefull, this is just the usuall ramblings with facts and figures seemingly pulled out of anywhere to serve there purpose, the last paragraph did make me smile though.
The trade tensions that resulted from the current global economic crisis need not call for the filing of claims or the fear of trade wars. We need to work together with accurate information, a broader view to give new answers to old questions and the political will to increase trade to recover and strengthen the economies of our Americas and the world.
“ Even the best theory is worthless while it isn't tested and works ”“
May 13th, 2012 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fernando Fuster-Fabra
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@11 Max (#)
May 13th, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0May 13th, 2012 - 10:49 am
Max my old fruit you have surpassed yourself! Irellevent and incomprehensible all in on post. We are not worthy! How DO you do it?
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May 13th, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0[ F F F ]letters are your fortune ?
India is inept on “ delicious fruit ” importing !..don't know to eat fruits !
@13 Max (#)
May 13th, 2012 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0May 13th, 2012 - 11:04 am
Righty-ho Max. Whatever shakes your tree mate you obviously know what you mean.
What Jorge doesn't mention is that according to http://articles.latimes.com/1998/oct/13/local/me-31926 the Argies cannot seem to be able to prove that the lemons they produce are free from disease and infestation.
May 13th, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We must make sure that we protect the California citrus industry from . . . pests and diseases,” Sherman said in a written statement. “If we cannot be convinced that under appropriate regulations the importation of Argentine citrus is safe, we must prevent its importation.”
Seems fair enough. It's not unlike the australians and europeans don't have similar controls over pests and disease.
Maybe Jorge should mention this.
I might not have got this quite right, but isn't there an aphorism to the effect that “if you put an infinite number of monkeys in a room with an infinite number of typewriters, sooner or later they will reproduce all the works of Shakespeare”? Jorge may have read this somewhere but not quite got the point. So he's still sticking down loads of words in the hope that, one day, he will produce something intelligent and meaningful.
May 13th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Long way to go, Jorge!
As an experiment, I would personally be interested in what would be produced if you put Jorge, KFC, Timernoise, Maximo-Creambun, Tracksuit boy, Danny de Vito, Orange-head, et alii in a room together with a typewriter.
May 13th, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm guessing more Mein Kampf than Romeo and Juliet.
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May 13th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently=
Argentina doesn’t want to start a trade war
It is being forced upon the great argentine nation from the British Empire,
They want to have a trade war, so they can invade our peaceful existence,
Their friends and partners in this evil crime, the Americans And the EU
Are conducting a conspiracy to force us into a trade war, all we want is to live in peace and trade with other nations in the free trade without barriers,
We only use barriers to stop colonial corruption,
It’s all the fault of the British,
Stand up South America,
Defend argentine honour,
Defend argentine pride
Defend argentine rights
Defend argentine trade.
We don’t want a trade war,
They want a trade war, dastardly British .
Cough cough ..
@17 Would that have excerpts from Mao's Little Red Book? Very important to get all the relevant works by all the proper authors. Idi Amin. Manuel Noriega. Josef Stalin. Saddam Hussein. Muammar Gaddafi.
May 13th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15
May 13th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what you are saying is when other countries put of sanitary barriers it is “fair and just”. When Argentina does it (European beef), then it is proteccionism.
We all know when it comes to being fair at least once to Argentina you don't have any decency, but at least try to hide it a little. It's not something to be proud of, hypocrisy.
:“Argentina doesn’t want to start a trade war”: lol!
May 13th, 2012 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Start a trade war?? with what? no beef to the rest of the world? no soybeans? what else can you fight with? you must import everything what is connected with the word “technology”, because you are too ignorant to see what happens in arg. you must export beef and soybeans to pay technology from abroad. like the communist countries did and do.
the arg trade war would be the same desaster as the falklands-malvina-war.
@21
May 13th, 2012 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the Aussies and Canadians never were communist and what technology do the import? “Everything”. Yet I doubt you would say to them the things you said here. And Argentina, just like the Canadians and Australians, have solid technology in niche areas (Canada in oil tech and aviation, Australia in mining tech, Argentina in some medical areas and satellite building).
Technology is in large scale the sum of individual brain power. The more population in a country, the more “technology”. That is why the old world had guns and the new world did not, why the old world “discovered” the new one and not the other way.
It is well known that densily populated civilizations, trade (like the Europe/middle East/Asia for 5000 years), and thought spurs advances.
Most countries “import” technology because no country produces a majority of what is required or sought out by consumers. Look at the Japanese earthquake, it caused severe disruptions in production of electronics in the USA and Europe... you didn't have the equipment necessary.
If the same happened in Europe or the USA it would similarly affect Asia, in other areas.
@21 they could fight with nonsense-words. That seems to be their biggest export at the moment.
May 13th, 2012 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Buenos día a todos. Estoy tomando unos mates calentitos en este domingo frío. Desde Lincoln, provincia de Buenos Aires, les deseo un buen día a todos los habitantes de las Islas Malvinas.
May 13th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Google translate: Good morning everyone. I'm drinking some “mates” warm in cold Sunday. From Lincoln, Buenos Aires, I wish you a good day to all the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands.
@20 tobias (#) May 13th, 2012 - 12:57 pm
May 13th, 2012 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am becoming more and more convinced of a cultural divide here. In Argentina I assume your words are seen as reasonable and considered but to the rest of us it sounds a bit like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcSrxSkdVDY
Yes. This is what Argentina looks like to the rest of the world. Even to your 'allies'.
You know when they say things to you like “there there, yes, shhhhh, Malvinas son Argentinas, shhhhhh”?
They are hoping that sooner or later you will shut the feck up. The thing is you won't will you? You can't. The pain of being wrong, defeated and denied is just too much for the small Malvinista brain to comprehend and sooner or later even they will tell you, to your face to “STFU, grow 'some', get a life, get over yourself and stop bothering us with your national bloody obsession. It is embarrassing to watch and it is loosing it's entertainment value”.
“Oh and whilst we are at it, no. We will not fight your pet war for you either. The British aren't threatening anybody so why would anybody in their right minds want to provoke them? Haven't you learned anything? You are on your own”.
They won't tell you that for a few years yet though. They are happy to watch Argentina beat itself to death on the rocks of a lost cause. It narrows down the competition a bit. It gives everybody else a head start.
@25
May 13th, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands in this topic... Where do they figure exactly? this is about economic.
Just wasted all that typing, sorry. And you are still hypocrites as this piece clearly demonstrate. The fact you cannot accept what has been said for a LONG time, that bail-outs of private companies, banks, and subsidies DISTORT trade (do I really need to bring links with the words of American and British conservative voices saying this exact same thing), yet here is the whole world going on about some stupid argie practices, proves on thing:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcSrxSkdVDY
It is you.
There is a cultural divide. The rest of you are immoral, uneducated, benighted, rapacious, and dishnonest societies.
Yes, yes, yes, Argieland is all that and more. But at least we know it. And that is 50% of the solution.
You guys are still stuck at 0%. Still stuck at stupid.
Sorry.
@26 The issue is the complete opposite, you don't know it. You cannot even admit you lost a war that you caused nor that your political deity was basically following the ideology of hitler.
May 13th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The argentine problem is they live back in the 70s, and have forgotten the last 40 years.
The worst Government is often the most moral,One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane.But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression.
May 13th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27
May 13th, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So who is obsessed with the Falklands? Here you have an argie that doens't care about it, and you guys still bring it up.
Gotcha?
The British deny they ever invaded Buenos Aires, they dismiss it as a non-event yet that was a major defeat as it closed South America from British reach forever (all Britain managed was an impenetrable small corner of Jungle in northeastern SA, which only was usable for settlement within 2 km of the coast, all the rest being think forbidden rainforest). Yet you had just come from taking Australia, South Africa, had Canada, and a few years later occupying Washington DC.
I have no problem admitting Argentina lost a war 30 years ago. It is interesting for all the protestations of “moving on”, you guys can't get enough of argies admitting defeat. Shows how low, desperate for good news you guys are.
@29 tobias (#) May 13th, 2012 - 02:12 pm
May 13th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey folks! The Brits invaded Buenos Aeries and lost.
Ah well. You win some you lose some. Move along, nothing to see here just a gaggle of Malvinista's pissing against the wind with their mouths open.
@30 We lost in lots of places, and lots of battles. One of the benefits of being British is that you can dust yourself down, recognise your mistakes, improve yourself and then go back and win.
May 13th, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile in other countries [Argentina] they fail to recognise their mistakes, they try to rewrite history to say they won, they turn into war-criminals, and then tell everyone that they're victims and it was the fault of the other people. Then the go back for more, without having improved and get sh@t on again.
There is a subtle cultural difference between the British and those other folks, which means they're always going to be rubbish.
Unfortunately, Argentina have started a trade war. Everyone -- especially Argentinians -- will lose.
May 13th, 2012 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course Argentina doesn't want a trade war. They just want to steal successful companies from other countries and then run them into the ground while lining their own pockets........
May 13th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They don't want a trade war but they ban the import of Spanish beef
They don't want a trade war but they ban the import of books?????
Of course they don't want a trade war........ Why doesn't anyone else believe them??? I do. LOL
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May 13th, 2012 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You -- soft tempered boy !
The secret --semi secret domestic/international organizations are important not countries.........
grow up ..!
@31 GreekYoghurt (#) May 13th, 2012 - 02:37 pm
May 13th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You make a good point.
Top ten silly bloody mistakes made by the British military.
Singapore. Ouch. Now there was one monumental fuck up.
Dunkirk: Passed off as some kind of victory by the powers that be. Another monumental fuck up.
Balaclava: Oh dear lord that one was just embarrassing.
Buenos Aeries! Yada yada yada.
Hastings. Oh yes that one went badly, and to French speaking Vikings too. What a scandal.
The American War of Independence. Not so embarrassing, it was practically a civil war anyway.
The retreat from Corunna. We came back from that one pretty quickly as it happened.
Gallipoli. Well done Winston you complete and utter cock.
Isandlwana. You bored yet?
Basra. Now and then. Maybe the one mistake that keeps being made that one. Although the latest corpse is still being autopsied so comment would be subjective.
Well? We bored yet? Wanna hear some more? Does it sooth the Malvinista ego?
I couldn't care less either way I'm having fun with this.
@35 I'm still laughing about Argtardia saying it doesn't want to start a trade war, while it's starting a trade war.
May 13th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, where do these prevaricating muppets crawl out from?
“Argentina doesn’t want to start a trade war”
May 13th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0im afraid that moment has already passed.
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May 13th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am very ignorant
Could you tell us what happened in 1920 at Basra and in 1953 at Egypt.
Thanks for your care !
@38 Max (#) May 13th, 2012 - 03:20 pm
May 13th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you genuinely want to know?
@38 Argentina caused a trade-war whilst simultaneously suggesting it didn't want to cause one, hoping no one would notice the ruse.
May 13th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 GreekYoghurt (#) May 13th, 2012 - 03:30 pm
May 13th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow! Are they really THAT clever?
Hi guys relax please!! Here is the music!!
May 13th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cumbia tropical to dance in The Glove Tavern!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iUkmnLc1ec
@42 stop It (#) May 13th, 2012 - 03:32 pm
May 13th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bless you sir? Madam? Forgive me I am getting carried away. The music is wonderful.
@42 Many thanks for that. Here is a video of permatanned David Copperfield flying over the grand canyon while Bonnie Tyler sings:
May 13th, 2012 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quDXr3gJpgk
There are no strings to be seen.
“The British deny they ever invaded Buenos Aires, they dismiss it as a non-event yet that was a major defeat as it closed South America from British reach forever ”
May 13th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another case of Argentina thinking she actually matters in the world. Firstly, our government does not deny that this event happened, that is a complete lie.
Secondly. It was a small battle in a larger war. The entire goal of the invasion was to ruin Spain's influence in south america. Immediately after independence moments popped up all over south america thus destroying Spain's influence in south america.
Although the battle was lost the war and the original point of the invasion was successful. It did not close off south america to us as at the time we had great influence in south america Argentina was at one point part of “Informal Empire”.
It was not a roaring success as the best outcome would have at the time been complete control of south america, however it was not a failure as you seem to believe it to be so.
@26 & 29 Oh dear. That divide again. The one between argieland and intelligence. It doesn't matter whether you try to call it economics instead of an economic war or trading instead of a trade war, it is still the characteristic of the war you are conducting against the Falklands. Let's take a few examples. You put sanctions on businesses that have interests in argieland and the Falklands. That's economic and likely trade war. You impede vessels right of innocent passage. That's economic and trade war. You try to deny Falklands-flagged vessels from entering south american ports. That's economic and trade war. You try to impede the flight by an aircraft of a sovereign state. That's economic and/or trade war. You try to demand that vessels to/from the Falklands have an argie permit. Five unjustifiable acts of war in the area of economics and trade. You really are so stupid. The difference is that you start it. You attack. We defend or negate. And while we're on the subject of stupidity, your stupid country tries to claim that the Falklands should be yours because it is on the continental shelf. First off, when did the eastern continental shelf of south america belong to argieland? Then get your atlas out and identify all the places that are on continental shelves but DON'T belong to a mainland country. There's quite a few! So quit your economic and trade war. Of one thing you can be assured. WE will NOT lose. By the way, we don't deny that we invaded Buenos Aires. We did it twice. What we DO deny is that we invaded argieland. We invaded a possession of the Spanish Crown. With whom we were at war. Again, it's so good of you to admit all your failings. Here's a thought. YOU recognise your failings. WE recognise your failings. So why don't you stop? Do you actually think we're going to let your failings beat us? We may descend to the level of the ignorant and immature, but just to teach.
May 13th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 Try YOUR wonderful free education system. Remember, you get what you pay for!
44friend,I am an Argieman ha ha
May 13th, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 043 and 44 here I sent two more of the singer Gilda ,hope you enjoy this.www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm_SwD5PYvY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-uNMZ1wfR4
44 tell me, as David to fly over the Grand Canyon without wings?
ha ha
Bonnie Tayler is one of my favorites.
I really like the following
www.dailymotion.com/.../x21do2_bonnie-tyler-total-e...
It will all end in tears for CFK and the Nazi Politburo completely out of their depth at running a modern country the size of Argentina. They all cry fould when things don't go their way and when the other countries in World do not accepting their terms. Trader is all about trust and plenty of quid pro quo. CFK NEVER ACCEPTS BLAME,
May 13th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina recently came under a barrage of criticism from the WTO only the other week where the US, EU, Japan and TEN other countries accused it of trying imports up in red tape when CFK & Co imposed a new system to pre-approve, or reject every purchase from abroad.
If nothing changes Argentina will become isolated.
44 sorry an error has occurred the video is this
May 13th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgRfvWAZw5w
43sorry,“I am an Argieman” was an answer for you, that answer was not directed to 44
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May 13th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0decidedly ...!
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your @36-- prevaricating-- definition is valid for your comment @40 ?
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do you know what happened there ?
I'm so happy for you Brits that you learn from your mistakes. Kinda like the Germans, French, Italians and Spanish have too, and don't use war as often as they once did.
May 13th, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better 3000 years later than never right?
@22: the aussies and canadians pay for what they buy and don´t steal it like the arg gov with its coup of YPF. they keep contracts and act legally. they don´t control their press and don´t penalize people who tell the truth about official statistics. and they pay their debts which they have against their creditors, domestic and foreign. tghe arg gov is a gang of financial swindlers.
May 13th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52
May 13th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't give a sh!t what you think of us, Mr. Irrelevant. (not you personally, foreigners in general).
Signed,
Argentina.
Pretty much the same goes for us tobias.
May 13th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Except, we have what you want :)
@54
May 13th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope, no cigar. I never wanted the Falklands. Though admittedly, that line works for some other argies specially in the government. Hopefully one day they'll get over it.
I shall correct my statement then:
May 13th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Pretty much the same goes for us tobias.
Except, we have what Argentina wants :)”
Smart man.
May 13th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have what the British once wanted, those pampa fields, that River Plate ports, and those patagonian sheep stations.
That's life, can't have it all.
You can have them, none of us care.
May 13th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Our government isn't crying about it.
=)
@50 Disgusting little ignorant creep!
May 13th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must go friends i send you tango,enjoy !
May 13th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6l8qzAvUjA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZUhp2VTzpU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=91-BFlsNi7M
www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7_rnucyZg8
If this is not a trade war, nobody knows what the hell is. Very smart arguing of this ambassador but it´s faker than a monopoly bill.
May 13th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 51 , & 57
May 13th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the English..........not the British ..........!
Tobias. I have you sussed. No Argie refers to themselves as an Argie. Trolling. Tut tut....
May 13th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@62
May 13th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, yes, yes. British in victory and English in misery, we know the shifty game. The rest of the world doesn't care about English, British, UK, GBR, etc. Its all one and the same since the center of command is 10d street and B-palace.
Don't try to convince me otherwise, I've had enough with idiots telling how today is Mothers day.
@63
May 13th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are looking for trolls, you've hit the jackpot....
These threads are made up by trolls, it's bloody worse than Utgård...
The difference is that when a brit insults, calls people names, attacks flag and country or behave like a warmonkey in general, you just don't see it as “trolling”...
It's called selective judgement, and you guys suffer from it in all your arrogance :)
To bias = Guzz = troll failures
May 13th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tragic
Ah Tobias, I see you've lost perspective although understandable given some of the posts I understand.
May 13th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you say the rest of the world doesn't care, I know you are talking for yourself because it is clear the rest of the world does care given the UK's authority and respect in some many world bodies and fields. Our high positions in many world bodies, our economic excellence even if recent times have been tough and our language being the world business language are some of many examples.
I guess its fair to troll to even the balance with equal trolling I suppose.
No trolling here, just rolling.
May 13th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 64
May 13th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but...you write in English language not in Britisish language !
[ articles Note always say .....comments must be in English .Thank you not in Britishish...]
Xect,
May 13th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said Argentina doesn't care about what the rest of the nations of the planet thinks of us. Which is completely true.
That's why i said “signed, Argentina”.
It doesn't apply elsewhere and you may well be correct in your assessment. But to us, the opinions of others about us is irrelevant.
Thats a language assimilation dominated by England in Brittania.
May 13th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok Tobias although do you not think not caring about what others think of Argentina is a mistake given Argentina needs to import/export to support its economy?
May 13th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isolation is fine as long as you don't need anything from any other country.
Well, if others are so sensitive to us not fawning over them then that's their problem is it not.
May 13th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the Americans, Europeans, Brazilians, Chinese, etc, are expecting us to suckle their toes, they'll be waiting for a long long time.
Greekyogur is a troll
May 13th, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yanqui is a troll
Chucky is a troll
Conqueror is a troll
Simon is a troll
Elaine is a troll
They all have one thing in common, they call people names just to annoy, and then they cry/get upset/warmonkey when they get a taste of their own “arguments”. It's not our fault them dimwits are useless even when it comes ti “trolling”...
You guys set the rude tone, and then you point fingers when people are rude to you... Man up and show some dignity, will you?
Tobias, I wasn't suggesting any nation should pander to another, personally I find that sort of behavior embarrassing. It's often been suggested the UK does that with the US and sometimes its probably true up to a point although the close relationship will always cause these types of accusation.
May 13th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maintaining respectful, dignified relations with important countries should be the priority of any trading nation as long as the other country hasn't wronged it.
@ 74
May 13th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is Chucky ? Chicureo ?
51 tobias [you say]
May 13th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better 3000 years later than never right
[please can you define 3,000 years please]
My noble understanding is that all the countries you mention did not exist 3,000 years ago, in there present form .
Please explain..
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62 Max (#)
& 51 , & 57
the English..........not the British ..........!
[explain please, why not British .
.last but not least
75 Xect
Maintaining respectful, dignified relations with important countries should be the priority of any trading nation as long as the other country hasn't wronged it.
and that then leave argentina out in the cold then.
@77
May 13th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding your last few lines, Xects input indeed means that Argentina is left out in the cold by Britain, but not because Argentina “wronged” it, but for the mere fact that Britain is not as important as you want it to be :)
You may well be correct,
May 13th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For a tiny island boxing above ones weight is always very hard,
But hey,
Compared with most bigger countries in the world, we don’t think we have, or are doing to bad,
Is this not true.
And the future tells us, as a maritime nation, we must by default yet grow again,
So if we are miles ahead now, where will we be when we grow again.
Interesting .
Actually Guzz, I never said anything like that, nor did I intend anything of that description.
May 13th, 2012 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As trading partner's go Britain is insignificant to Argentina in that aspect given there is little trade between the two nations for rather obvious reasons. I was actually talking about Argentina's relations with countries which are important to it in trading terms and this was in reference to Tobias talking about seeking isolation.
The thing about Britain is, it really doesn't have to worry about how important it is to world nations, because it already knows the answer.
Xect
May 13th, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's for sure one thing you have in common with the Argentines, as a country, you are like cats looking into the mirror and seeing lions...
I think none of Argentinas most important trading partners care about the countrys politics, as long as they don't loose money on it. The world today works like that, profit comes before morals, and that is your empires downfall...
If I'm wrong, how come production moved to China?
Guzz, production moved to China due to cost and nothing else.
May 13th, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However I was talking about trade, not politics even if they are intertwined.
Argentina is currently making the grave mistake of applying trade policies that clearly don't and can't work with its important trading allies.
As for cats and lions, I think you are mistaken. The UK is still an extraordinarily powerful country in many different ways and to deny it is to be the fat dude looking in the mirror and seeing a bodybuilder using your analogy. However as we have been talking about trade, the UK has been silent on the issue all of the countries around the world have been complaining about.
The trade problems Argentina has been experiencing it have been zero to do with the UK so lets keep the issues separate.
Spanish call to halt Argentine lemon imports: http://www.fruitnet.com/content.aspx?cid=14016&rid=1
May 13th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xect
May 13th, 2012 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With all respect, Britain can't take a crap military wise without USA pulling the leash... USA points, you obey, that's the routine. I hope you don't take it personally (“you” in english is so confusing at times...)
If we stick to trade, I still think that there will always be a buyer, and as long as Argentina doesn't mess up in SA (or with China nowadays), they will be fine. True, they might have to give up on some commodities, but hey, it's not like the common people of Argentina were having a piece of it anyway...
I don't follow European football but I just found out a lowly argie delievered a title to a small club in stoppage time.
May 14th, 2012 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, the irony, the irony.
74 Guzz (#)
May 14th, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0May 13th, 2012 - 10:04 pm
I deny categorically the charge you made against me. I have never called you names nor have I ytolled you.
Tobias
May 14th, 2012 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why is it ironic?
Probably less than 0.1% of the English football fans were thinking 'Oh no! an Argentine just helped Man city win the title'. The reason being that in England most people don't care about the Las Malvinas 'issue'. The FI are under the wing of the UK. Nothing to worry about. End of story
Even when Tevez went rogue people werent talking about him being Argentinian. It was more to do with the fact that he wasnt respecting his club that were and are paying him astronomical wages. In fact Argentine players like many players in the league are loved by the fans.
I cant think of any english players in the AFL. You can imagine the treatment they would get from the opposing fans of every team.
It's ironic because upon hearing of it I did a quick youtube and the videos of the Sky commentators and others going bananas is admittedly amusing, since it was (watching the replay), a goal that was 75% orchestrated from outside the area to the goal itself by the inferior argie.
May 14th, 2012 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ironic, 2nd since it is the son-in-law of Maradona, not the most beloved man in Britain.
Well, not just english players would get a rougher treatment in Argentina. All European players would because in Argentina referees swallow the whistle and Rioplatense football (Argentina/Uruguay) is far more contact and hard legged than Brazilian or European football. They would not physically survive a season.
Since British acts and other European acts get very well treated in Argentina and usually Argentina ends up being a DVD highlight of them (Rolling Stones, Maddona, Motorhead, Lacuna Coil, ABBA, all had in Argentina some of their greatest moments then put on their best of), your theory goes by the wayside.
I can see how its ironic if people are trying to keep scores in the -Argentina vs England- show. But its only ironic if Sergios Argentinian-ness is an issue with a significant portion of the English football fans. It certainly isn't and so if no-ones thinking about it being an issue then its ironic value is insignificant.
May 14th, 2012 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The English league is recognized as being the most physically intense league in Europe. The playing style is certainly different but I fail to see how an English player would suffer physically in the AFL any more than an Argentine and thus be discouraged from wanting a career there for that reason. European players would be fine in fact Trezeguet is doing alright with River and hes near the end of his career. As always the reason is money. AFL players earn a fraction of those in the EPL and European leagues.
River plays in a pathetic league since it is no longer in the Futbol de Primera.
May 14th, 2012 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The English league maybe more physical but you need to multiply that by two for the Argentine/Uruguayan league.
Well of course European clubs will have more money. You have a tv market of 600 million people in Europe. The same issue even happens in rugby union, with New Zealand, Australia, and South Africa having problems retaining talent even with the s-15.
The Argentine league draws the talent of the rest of Latin America (except Mexico and Brazil), Argentina's league is seen as the most competitive outside Europe thus the most sought by players from other countries in the regio not only for better money but to showcase a jump to Europe, even over the Brazilian league. The Mexican league is seen as a bit of a dead-end even though it pays well.
(146) Monty69
May 14th, 2012 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Based on what exactly?”………….. You ask.
Well we don’t have to go very far, lass………..
(89) Tobers
You say:
”European players would be fine, in fact Trezeguet is doing alright with River”
I say:
Maybe because Trezeguet is from Argentinean stock and learned to play football in Argentina………….?
(90)
You say:
”River plays in a pathetic league ………..”
I say:
Don’t you start messing with River…………
Anyhow…… El “Kun” Agüero, made many Mankunians very happy today…..
(Jupppppp.... with a Kirchner’s “K” :-)
@88 I know Madonna's been hanging in the UK a lot but she's still American, last time I checked...
May 14th, 2012 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0We shouldn't talk about football really, first off it's totally off topic and secondly... well, the brits showed us the ball, we showed them what to do with it :)
May 14th, 2012 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0That said, EPL is a good league :)
The reason British players don't play in Argentina is two-fold. First, it is poor - can't pay decent wages and second, it is poor in standard. I have watched some of the 'top' teams in Argentina and the footie is on a level with British school boy football. The fans are far more entertaining in Argentina. JMO
May 14th, 2012 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I watched the Man City match and didn't hear reference to any player's nationality. It was all about the game. It is not about individual glory but is a team game and they celebrated as a team.
@69 Max,
May 14th, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British language was the ancestor of modern Welsh.
Finally a good article to put a sense of perspective into mercopress; even the headlineis good =)
May 14th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@96
May 14th, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A has been said before, too late, they already have!
Tobias: FYI
May 14th, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0News this morning: I'm leaving out certain details for privacy, but the story is eye opening: In December, a European I know received olive oil samples from a large producer in San Juan Argentina. He found the quality surprising outstanding and sent it for a complete lab analysis. Reports confirmed that the oil was free of pesticide residue, additives, was very fresh and was the highest category.
He contracted to buy an enormous quantity, but with specifications that the oil be of the same as in the samples. Prior to shipment this month, he arrived with inspectors to sample the product and immediately discovered that the last two pallets on the 40' container were perfect, but the remaining pallets had adulterated oil of very poor quality.
Thus another example why the credibility of Argentina is so low in the world. Your ambassador to the USA should have never verbally attacked the trade policies because truthfully it is easy to trade with that country, once you sign a trade pact. Instead the Argentines want to p*ss them off.
He needs to look in the mirror to see who's at fault.
Once you know it's by “Jorge Argüello” you just know it's going to be the same old distortion of the facts to suit The Mad Bitch.
May 14th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's all that needs saying.
hi every body, I am an exporter from Inida. I have been getting few good business demand orders from Argentina importers or offers for colobrations.
May 14th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please if anyone can give me the right information. as i have been going throught google and it is hard to find the right exact information.
what is the process of getting the import licence in Argentina ?
what are the ristricted product and their latest list of ristrictions ?
what are export import rules ?
please if any can give me as much as information possible, i will be very thnakful :)
Good day
@74 Guzz (#)
May 14th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 13th, 2012 - 10:04 pm
Oi! That's Mister War Monkey to you Argie.............
100 deeepak
May 14th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rule 1 - NEVER trust an Argie, even when it is put into writing and signed.
Rule 2 - Get YOUR money before shipping anything.
Rule 3 - NEVER take ARG Pesos only US$.
It is no good using Google: your potential importer should have all the paperwork for importation AGREED by the GOVERNMENT before you can send anything. However as long as you have your money that will be up to them.
This government is using muscle to restrict the flow of US$ out of ARG - they are desparately short of cash so don't be surprised if your importer cannot get the clearances because he will not have the money in all probability.
FINAL RULE: SEE RULE 1)
94 ElaineB
May 14th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason British players don't play in Argentina is one, we play the game a “little” better.
Congrats M. City, Tevez, Zabaleta and of course Kun Aguero!
Aguero's goal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvfPcWJWOAs
@64 Wouldn't try to “convince” you of anything. You don't have that much brain.
May 14th, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65 Back to your cave.
@68 Be “rolling” over you soon.
@70 Of course you don't care, dipstick. You don't have that much brain.
@73 Don't fawn. Die!
@74 Me not troll. Not have cave. Not eat hobbits. Only defecate on argies.
@78 Sorry. Argieland isn't left out in the cold by Britain because argieland “wronged” Britain. Argieland is left out in the cold because argieland wrongs life. Come in from the cold. Die!
@81 But you're looking in the mirror and seeing pussies! Things you don't really want because you're queer. It must be really nasty for a proper person to visit argieland and “go outside for a fag”. How many blocks does the queue go around?
@84 Really? Did OK in '82. Or was that because the USA didn't pull the leash? I seem to recall that, in the early days of that little spanking, Britain pulled the leash and the USA did as it was told.
@85 What's that? Did he deliver it to the right dressing room like a good little slave?
@93 Don't you worry, sonny, we'll show you what to do with the ball. Then you'll be walking bow-legged. If you can still walk.
@100 Love your attempt at an Inidan accent. But let me help.
Import licence - How much money do you have? Special fees (bribes) are essential at every level. Remember that “El Presidente” expects a cut from everything.
Restricted products - Everything.
Export/import rules - Don't.
@102 I have to correct your list. Sorry.
Rule 1 - NEVER trust an Argie, ESPECIALLY when it is put into writing and signed.
Rule 2 - Get YOUR money before shipping anything. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ACTUAL BANKNOTES AND PUT THEM IN YOUR POCKET.
Rule 3 - NEVER take ARG Pesos only US$. CHECK FOR FORGERIES.
RULE 4 - ALWAYS CHARGE AT LEAST TWICE WHAT THEY OFFER.
@103 Marcos Alejandro (#)
May 14th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 14th, 2012 - 04:04 pm
That is debatable and nobody can argue with a straight face that you are any good at diplomacy or, shall we say, diplomacy by other means either. In fact there isn't an awful lot that you can do without lying and cheating and back stabbing. And in typical Argentine fashion Tevez doesn't know what a contractual agreement is. He thinks it is something that happens to somebody else, it doesn't matter how good you think you are if you can't be arsed to do your job you're worthless.
105Monkey
May 14th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not defending Tevez nor I am going to judge him because I don't know all the facts.
You sound like‘Pacifist’ Joey Barton or a sore loser Man.United fan.
no football at the dinner table, please .
May 14th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More into rugby myself, football is for pinkos.
May 14th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did Elaine said that britishs play football better”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 14th, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is crazy!!!!!! :)) Brits have the physical, the strength, some important skills for the game.
Arg football players have sth brits will never have: potrero, hungry of superation and picardía, viveza. With those skills, a football player in Arg can get out of a villa or poor suburbs (like Maradona, Tevez, etcFootbaleers of Arg are very well paid and their quality recoignized all over the world. Also they adapt well to play everywhere, no matter the language, the culture, etc.
Its my opinion, Im not a specialist but its what I think.
THANK YOU VERYMUCH FOR ALL THOSE GAVE ME INFORMATION. :) ONE THIS IS COMMON EVEN IF I ASK AN ALREDY EXPERIENCED INDINA EXPORTER OR SOMEONE ELSE.
May 14th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rule 1 - NEVER trust an Argie, ESPECIALLY when it is put into writing and signed.
THANK YOU :)
( 110 )
May 14th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was deeming you are an Indian cult leader ------anyway--------
You could find everything on internet whatever you want.
Back to the original article: Argentina Doesn't Want a Trade War
May 14th, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Taken from last month's Economist:
'The World should stop indulging Ms CFK. Argentina remains in default on its debt to the Paris Club of Sovereign Creditors, and has not paid the sums that the World Bank's International Centre For The Settlement of Investment Disputes has determined it owes foreign companies. Last month the US suspended duty free access for some Argentinian exports. Yet the country still belongs to the G20 and can borrow from organisations and its citizens can visit all of Europe without a visa. That amounts to a free pass in foreign policy. If the West revokes these privileges, Argentine's might se the true cost of their President's antics.'
( 110 )
May 14th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But ,i do want to ask you that what cult you feel yourself close ?
Osho Movement ?
Hare Krishna Movement ?
Brahma Kumaris ?
Sahaja Yoga ?
Transdantal Meditation ?
Ananda Marga ?
Conqueror
May 14th, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Son! My favourite warmonkey :)
Listen, I like you, and yesterday you got me thinking (couldn't sleep), so I decided to be nice to you so we could stop this war on words...
I thought about your situation and regarding your age (it must be hard to run around on the fields), I got this myotonic goat for you. Now, this is a very special goat, it's also called stiff-legged goat and falls over as soon it gets excited!
Check them out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6smm1WCFv-8
Now, I know you don't like the darker ones, so I got you a white metallic :)
Can we please make peace now?
Malen
May 14th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably 90% of British footballers come from working class backgrounds and some from very poor and difficult backgrounds. Joey Barton's brother is in jail for murder.
Successful Footballers who have risen from poverty like Maradona, Aguero Tevez et al have done is not a uniquely Argentinian thing.
@114
May 14th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What about the original article?
Argentina doesn't want to start a trade war?
Funny statement from a tin pot politician?...
He might be very interested with -- Khalsa Cult -- which is very active and efficient in some countries like -- UK ,, Argentina ,, Fiji,, Sri Lanka ,, Mouritania,,France,,Switzerland,,USA,,Canada,,Mexico,,Turkey,,Iran,,Syra,,Israel,,Greece,,Sweden,,Norway,,Indonesia,,Malaysia,,Thailand,,Phillippines,,Myanmar,,Australia,,South Africa,,Chile.....---. !
May 14th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes Tobby but what I say in Arg we have and put in value others skills of football, that are most important for us than the physycal strength.
May 14th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I Dont talk of english football, because I dont see that, except for the goals there makes the argies and repeat on TV. I like Spain football, Barsa. That I see, because I like goals and Messi makes a lot more :))
Nevertheless , i don't gues thats name is a member of -- p24-- or --Raelian--.!
May 14th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/100820/eu-to-lodge-suit-against-argentina-with-wto-reports-say
May 14th, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0!
108 Monkey GY
May 14th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahh now more into rugby...then don't comment about issues that you don't have a clue like you normally do.
116 Brit Bob
May 14th, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you see, they have no interest, these argie non traders,
Self obsessed as they are lol.
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@116, 122
May 14th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I answered to Conquerors
“@81 But you're looking in the mirror and seeing pussies! Things you don't really want because you're queer. It must be really nasty for a proper person to visit argieland and “go outside for a fag”. How many blocks does the queue go around?”
What in those sentences have anything to do with the original article??
Now, I know it's ok for you guys not to stick to the thread, while we, as tercermundistas, should behave and talk as you tell us to and not as you talk yourselves. And especially, stick to the thread, but you know what? I just don't give a f**k :)
#110 If I had to deal with an Indian or a Nigerian, I'd rather do business with a Nigerian that represents a chest of 20 million Euros that he will kindly ship to me once I give him my banking information. He certainly would be far more trustworthy than an Argentinean that normally pretends to be a Uruguayan, but has decided to now demean the Indian business class. Someone should help “Guzz” the correct way to spell “India”.
May 14th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 012311612281
May 14th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the great numbers game.
bingo
Isnt that the britishhhh are so so correct people, that doesnt mix sports with nothing else but game and play and competition???? Never mix it with politics, nor nationalities, confrontation between countries??
May 15th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ohhhhhhhhh look this
www.clarin.com/deportes/aviso-apuesta-polemica-Maradona_O_700730133.html (remember to google it, my zeros are chineses!!)
you are copying creativity, is it Y&R too??
Apart from all, it shows you envy so much the glorious of our football players, yes, specially Maradona.
And babies I like the adv. Learn to have passion as fans.
hummmmmmmmm well I am an Hindustani :) a Hindu, to be more correct a golden cast hindu. so i do not need to follow any cult :) we have been given enough information and education by our parents about vedas and Hindu culture, we do not need to learn it from anyone. i hope those who were making comments has got answer.
May 16th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thanks
126- maradona y el kun aguero.....aunque Tevez tambien--- que pasaria si el KUN dice (como cree) que las Malvinas son Argentinas?
May 18th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All those guys speaking about our country, is incredible, they are living a huge crisis in europe, whit 25% unemployment, nationalization of banks, rescue entire countries such Greece, Spain (close to), Portugal, Ireland......and their are saying we want a war trade...?and in the other topics says dolar 10 pesos.?...try to see your own problems, believe me, for experience you will have crisis for 10 years or more maybe-
People in Spain loosing their houses; RN cutting their resources, selling Harriers to USA, because can´t afford them,problems whit the next QE whit NATO.....what a bunch of jokers!!
300.000 british living in Argentina; but their live in peace, whit no problems at all, respect our laws, but drinking their 5 oclock tea....
Why we can´t do the same whit the people of the islands ;)? If their are english too and we don´t want them like argentines!
Regards!
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