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Argentina insists before Red Cross on identifying remains of combatants buried in the Falklands
Vice President Amado Boudou called for a ‘concrete reply’ to Argentina’s request for the International Red Cross to collaborate with the identification of the combatants fallen during the Falkland Islands conflict in 1982 and whose remains are buried at the cemetery in Darwin. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBoudou had better get this sorted out soon before he gets carted off to jail when he gets found guilty of corruption.
May 16th, 2012 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yet again, there are No, and i must repeat this, NO UNKNOWN BRITISH SOLDIERS buried at Darwin Cemetry. Get it through your thick heads.
May 16th, 2012 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1, well he has to make statements regarding the Falklands to distract peoples attention from what has been happening. The Brain dead monkeys fall for it every single time.
ITS TAKEN 30 YEARS TO ASK!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 16th, 2012 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the request happens at the same time as the 3oth Anniversary when the Reich can make max propaganda out of it..SICK RG'S
The remains were offered to be repatriated after the war, but the RG government wanted to score another cheap propaganda shot by saying they are on RG land etc. SICK RG's think about the parents of the dead.
HEIL KIRCHER , HEIL KIRCHER
And of course, the Argentine government has contacted all the families of the dead servicement and asked them what their wishes were on this subject. After all the Argentine government would want to act in the best interests of it's people and not just do this for some sort of twisted publicity stunt.
May 16th, 2012 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why all the interest after 30 years? The Argentine government were offered repatriation of the bodies soon after the war ,which they REFUSED.
May 16th, 2012 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British soldiers all had dog tags so they could be identified.
I think Argentina are trying to make political capital out of their war dead. Despicable.
The Argentine government is using the Red Cross for political purposes here. They are implying that the UK has refused to allow the dead to be identified which is nonsense. The only reason there are unidentified remains is because Argentina has never bothered setting the wheels in motion in the past.
May 16th, 2012 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentina thinks the red cross can be of assistance in identifying the 0 unidentified British fallen? Fuck me, is this why Argentina's economy is shafted?
May 16th, 2012 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argies could start taking to the FIG, it would be polite.
Is this poor translation? If not, how does argieland think it can “insist”. Seems to go along the same lines as its “demands”.
May 16th, 2012 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0But, on basis of comments elsewhere, the answer should be that the remains can be exhumed, examined forensically by British/Falkland Islands exports, re-bagged and shipped to argieland. If the argies want copies of the reports, they can pay a suitable fee in order to receive them. The argies can do their own DNA tests once the remains have arrived in argieland. Otherwise, how many months will go by with teams of argies wandering around the Islands?
And just think of this. Let's suppose that FIG tells Britain that that can happen. And then argieland refuses to accept the remains. Even refuses to accept the proposal. What will that tell us all about what the argies are really up to?
At least we have a bit of variation from the RGs, this time its 'insist' rather than 'demand.'
May 16th, 2012 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Truly the language of negotiation.
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/05/16/videocracy-and-videology-argentinas-latest-falkland-islands-malvinas-stunt/
May 16th, 2012 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they insist on digging them up and identifying the remains, we might as well pack them and post them home when they've done so.
May 16th, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0During the Falklands War, Argentine officers were asked on several occasions to assist with identifying the Argentine dead who did not have identity discs. They refused stating they knew who they'd lost.
May 16th, 2012 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British offered to repatriate the bodies, Argentina refused.
The British reburied the dead in a plot specifically donated by an Islander so that they could have a decent christian burial; he couldn't bear the thought of them remaining in battlefield graves without a proper marker.
And btw the only person who can authorise disinterment is the Falkland Islands coroner or magistrate. If anyone wants to do this, they need to speak to the FIG not the British Government.
How will this pan out?
May 16th, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'd bet the Argentines insist on asking the UK Gov't, the UK Gov't insist they ask the FIG and then CFK will claim the UK is refusing to allow the Argentines to identify their dead.
I am sick of this 'insist' on the IRC to identify the remains of Argie and Brit KIA. There are NO unidendified Brit remains and furthermore, if there were any, who the Hell do they think they are 'insisting' on disturbing these remains without the permission of those families? They are sick, power mad fools that disgust me. As has been said already, the remains were buried in Christian faith, 'Known unto God', they lie in peace, please leave them that way.
May 16th, 2012 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can bet your last dollar that this DNA identifying of bodies is just a smokescreen for something much damning aimed at the UK, Its Argenweener they havent got a trustful bone in their body and theres no need for DNA testing to know that.
May 16th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0the bodies have lay there for 30 years, Argenweener refused to take the bodies after the war, KFC has no respect for the living so why should the dead be any different. I say “middle finger”
More & more, the RGs are descending into madness.
May 16th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are not dealing with normal rational people here.
We will have to rethink our strategies.
Yet another example of an educated Argentinian in a position of responsibility displaying ignorance of The Falklands when he should be better informed. I live in the Falklands and I can assure you that while there are a large number of unknown Argentine soldiers buried at Darwin, there are no unknown British soldiers buried there or anywhere else. British soldiers all wore dog tags and were properly identified before internment.
May 16th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know if we Islanders will get a say in this but I would strongly oppose disinternment unless I was assured that the families were in agreement. Many of the graves at Darwin are marked as unknown soldiers but for many of the families they are not unknown. The graves have been adopted by those who cannot find their lost boys and decorated with rosaries, photos, letters and family momentos. If a family has invested that much they should be allowed the dignity of deciding (without any untoward pressure) if they want their boy to be disturbed. Anything less would be brutal and it would be inappropriate to invole a venerable organisation like the Red Cross.
It is all posturing by CFK trying to keep the Falkland issue in the headlines.
May 16th, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0A simple request to the FIG, for a team of “international” forensic scientist to visit the Island and take DNA samples from the unidentified bodies, I am sure would have been met by with approval.
The idea that the Red Cross needs to be involved is a pure nonsense.
It all comes down to the situation that CFK/Argentina cannot be seen dealing directly with the FIG.
“Many of the bodies collected were without dog-tags, so best efforts were made to identify each soldier from personal effects found on the body. Single items were not be considered conclusive, but collections were. All were given a Christian burial with full military honors. Each grave is marked by a white wooden cross with the name of the soldier on it if known, but 123 of the crosses simply state Soldado Argentino Solo Conocido Por Dios (”An Argentine Soldier Known Unto God”). Conscious of the sensitivities of the Islanders, wooden crosses were employed, rather than headstones, as this would have implied permanence.“
”Surrounding the graves, the names of the 649 Argentine soldiers, sailors and airmen who lost their lives in the conflict, are inscribed on glass plaques, with no indication of military rank or service, as requested by their families.”
I don't think we can expect Argies to think clearly about this issue because they have no morals. I've personally got mixed views along the lines of:
May 16th, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0i) tag, bag and fedex them?
ii) This might seem a stupid question, but has the Red Cross (ICRC) phoned anyone in the FIG to see if they can do this? Surely it only takes a phone call.
iii) The poor sods got sent into a war where the Argies didn't provide dog tags, didn't want to identify them when they had the chance, didn't want to take them home when they had the chance, and now use them as a hideously macabre political tool. Best to let them rest in peace somewhere outside Argentina [in the falklands] where they can at least have some freedom in death.
Looks like the head of the Red Cross, and the British government if he is right about their attitude, are less hostile to Cristina's compassionate request than the ghoulish posters on here. Lets just hope it all goes well and gives the families as much peace of mind as possible.
May 16th, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0More interesting to me is Boudou's brilliant analysis of austerity and the crisis, doesn't sound like the words of a corrupt man to me, but even if there is something in the allegations it doesn't invalidate the argument
@13
May 16th, 2012 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly. They don't want to identify thier war dead, just want to try to score a phoney moral point over the British Government, it's pathetic and contemptible.
@17& 18
May 16th, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I totally agree ,the victims in this are the families ,Im sure many families dont want the graves disturbed,the problem was caused by Argentine intransigence.The final say should lie with the F.I.G. and the families.
Dont worry folks - Firstly the Arg Govt would have to make this question to the Falkland Islands Govt. It is not anything to do really with the Int red Cross.
May 16th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its all just wind and piddle.
20 - Compassionate my @rse
May 16th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You well know that this is a smoke screen thats why people are posting.
Why has it taken 30 years to get round to it???
Its all of a sudden so important to do in immediately.
That the point and you my troll friend know it as well just another cheap propaganda ploy.
THEY WONT EVEN LET US IDENTIFY OUR DEAD SOB SOB she doesnt give a stuff about her own people only her salad dodging son and the kircher youth.
As we all know this is just politics by The Mad Bitch herself.
May 16th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only she (might) knows what will happen next.
One thing is for sure however, this imbecile, so adored by the lunatic Scott, will NEVER allow 'her' government to talk directly with the FIG.
As always, it is just to keep the pot boiling on the Falklands issue.
May 16th, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Answer bollox to the Argies till they stop the Harassment of the Falklanders
May 16th, 2012 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I want to know is ... when the house falls on KCF, what's going to happen to her ruby slippers?
May 16th, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is amazing that the prolific tobias, think, Marco, et al have not appeared with some stupid posts on this thread. Could it be that they have suddenly found out that Kretin really is a ghoul?
May 16th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only people in Argentina who have a say in this are the bereaved families. The Government has absolutely nothing to say about it unless the families involved ask it to intercede for them.
The second point is that the Argentine Government, if asked by the families to intercede should write to the authority who signed off on the death certificate of the unknown soldier, in this case it must have been the FI Coroner. This person is the only one who can authorize an exhumation.
@29 They're asleep. They probably had to eat Cream-buns with Maximo all night, scratching his back and his toes, and so they're pretty knackered.
May 16th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29
May 16th, 2012 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure they're just compiling lists of links about something irrelevant to post, Probably to do with some atrocity commited by the British in the fifteenth centuary or something.
lets be careful and not use stupid name calling, phraseology etc. else we lower ourselves to the level of any other troll on here.
May 16th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let us try to keep on topic when possible.
@31 I don't think they need to compile a list of links, Marcos, Tobias and Think always copypasta so much that you're sure they posted the same thing earlier in the link.
May 16th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact they get their rocks-off to getting people off topic, and onto their monomaniacal topic of Brit-hating, amazes me.
What also amazes me is that KFC won't pick up the phone and call the FIG directly to ask if they'll okay her bone show in HD, where she makes all the corpses dance for her. She's one dark dark lady.
The Argentina government may have another purpose in addition to the erudite words most of you posted here. Argentina is so broke (money-wise) that it is being hoped that they can get all expenses paid by somebody else.
May 16th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 We know. They do this with their UN peacekeeping. They provide the soldiers and no equipment, so someone else has to pick up the tab for trucks+.
May 16th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK Govt should tell Argentina to go forth and multiply and the Red Cross should have more common sense. Another so called Charity to cross off the list.
May 16th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Kellengerger, “Perceived” a positive attitude from the British Government. That is not the same as, “received” a positive response. It's all double diplomatic speak anyway. The UK reponse to Mr Kellengerger should be, take this matter up with the FIG, they after all are the custodians of the Argentinian war dead. That should be the full extent of the UK position on this matter.
May 16th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With so much violence and killing going on now in the world, Red Cross should just tell Argies to discuss the issue with Britain, to which Britain can say they'll discuss with Falkland Islanders, and Falkland Islanders will be the ones who make final decision. After being the brunt of deceitful Argie videos and films, Falkland Islanders can decide how they want to handle it. If Falklanders choose to let the forensic teams in, maybe winter time is good when the hotels have fewer guests and tourism could use a boost?
May 16th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After their last abuse of the Falkland Islanders hospitality, I would suggest, that if the FIG agree to allow the exhumation of these dead men, the whole process is completed by verifiable independent Forensic Team. Again, the general concensus here, seems to be that this is not a matter for the UK, but for the Falkland Islanders to decide.
May 16th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I repeat what I wrote above, the deciding factor in this case is the FI Coroner who signed off on the death certificates.
May 16th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 Simon68
May 16th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are the chances of the CFK government approaching him/her on this matter. 1Billion too 1? After all the official Argentine position is that he/she does not exist.
41 reality check (#)
May 16th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 16th, 2012 - 04:09 pm
Quite correct, because of its own stupidity the Argentine (mis)Government has put itself in the envidious position of not being able to talk to the only institution that can solve its problems, up to and including its spurious claim to soveriegnty. Its a real Catch 22 situation.
this sounds like a job for Time Team! :)
May 16th, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the time this is sorted out, it probably will be a job for an archeologist.
May 16th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only legitimate response that the British government can make is that the matter should be taken up with the Falkland Islands Government. The British government has no right to any further involvement in this question.
May 16th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read the following link to the Nobel Peace Prize Adolfo Perez Esquivel on the dispute over sovereignty of the islands.
May 16th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.revistaenie.clarin.com/ideas/Adolfo-Perez-Esquivel-Malvinas-cartas_0_698330393.html
First the Red Cross will have to consult with the relatives, if this is the wish of all of them, I seem to recall reading that a group had sent a letter to the Red Cross asking for this not to happen (don’t quote me on that).
May 16th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then if appropriate the Red Cross would submit a request to the Islanders and British.
Then a decision can be made, ultimately by the Islanders.
I don’t envy the Red Cross this, as it is unlikely there will be complete agreement between the people directly affected by this, the relatives. Then they all get traumatised all over again.
Better to have let sleeping dogs lie.
If CFK has really done this for political reasons, then it is a truly evil deed.
There were rumours that some Argies were shot by their own officers,
May 16th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only a rumour, mind,
But, at least an examination of the bodies would dispense these rumours,
Would they not.
But either way, the final permission should lay with the islanders themselves.
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@46
May 16th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First one out of the coffin :-)))))
One the lesser matter. Why are they giving this guy the time of day?
May 16th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina solves it's economic problems by robbing the world blind. What does he know about what happens in the REAL world where debt default and robbing is not the NORM.
They are parasites and FCUKING HYPOCRITES. And they go on about the Brits not talking as ANOTHER international organisation has requested.
Repsol YPF SA (REP), the Spanish oil explorer seeking $10.5 billion from Argentina for seizing its assets, will line up behind companies from Exxon Mobil Corp. to Unisys Corp. (UIS) yet to be repaid by the most-sued nation on earth.
There are 26 cases pending against Argentina, more than any other country, at the World Bank’s International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes in Washington, the principal arbitration court for claims against sovereign countries. So far, it has refused to pay any of the tribunal’s judgments, according to a Bank of America Merrill Lynch economists’ report.
TFI Coroner is aware of the temporary nature of the Argentinian graves.
May 16th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exhume with IRC (or other) verification.
Transport to B.A. by sea on a British warship with full military ceremony.
If the vessel is refused entry into Arg. territorial waters, confirm publicly once, then ceremonially 'bury at sea' in international waters with international verification and 'military honours'.
This is the right way to do this;
these people were not warriors or heroes, they were invaders ...... but they were human beings.
47 Pugol-H
May 16th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there was a story on here about it. there were some voices saying that they didn't want the remains to be identified. Having buried what you thought was your son or husband in a grave and then to be told ( after the remains are then dug up and tested ) that they weren't your son or husband was too much for some.
They did write a letter to KFC saying they didn't want it to happen... But as ever. It looks like a small matter of peoples wishes is not going to get in the way of KFC when she needs a distraction or a political oneupmanship.
That woman is a Ghoul!!
This is all funny and ridiculous. They're just bones. Argentina knows who died in the war and that's enough info for them. Leave the bones where they are, no point touching them.
May 16th, 2012 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, Argentina sucks!!!!
Why is it with Argentina it is always “insist” and “demand” They obviously have no manners. Argentina could be a promising country if it was not for the likes of CFK and her croonies. Speaking to an old arg friend lately and even he is sick to the back teeth with entire lot. Though I must thank them for something. If it was not for them I would have never of e-mailed that friend again.
May 17th, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@51: Good suggestion.
May 17th, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 48 Briton
May 17th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 82 an Argentine soldier was shot by an officer on the sea wall in Stanley for begging for food.
I get a bit sick of hearing the current cry of 'it wasn't us it was the junta'. The chap who shot that kid is probably living a peaceful and anonymouse life in Argentina as we speak.
Honoria
May 17th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He probably has the belief that he was acting under their rules of military justice, simply following orders, where have we heard that before!
@17 honoria You shouldn't oppose exhumation and return of the remains to argieland. Leaving them there is an argie political ploy. Let me ask you a simple question. Assume that you want the protection of British armed forces, which do you want to put first? The security of the people of the Falkland Islands and the British forces protecting them? Or some “questionable” argie “families”? Supposedly, these are the “parents” of troops that died 30 years ago. That means they became parents 48+ years ago. Are they all around 50+? Who else is “visiting” posing as family?
May 17th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 Why? He's a prat!
Let's just think about this. Watch the video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xqwNsmzCbM
See any mothers and fathers weeping for their children? I don't. Who reckons they waved their sons off with a cheery reminder to kill as many Brits as possible. Let's not forget that the argies deployed 4 naval task groups and 66,000 troops to overcome 68 Royal Marines. Macho argies. Normal military thinking is that you need a ratio of 3:1 to attack a position. The argies deployed 1,000:1.
These remains MUST be removed from the Islands once and for all. Every second they stay there aids argie propaganda and provides excuses for argies to land on the Islands. It has to END!!
@58
May 17th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BUT THAT LINK WAS THE BRITS IN DISGUISE - THIEVING PIRATS etc, etc.
jajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja (had to stop, my fingers got tied up).
LOL :o)
this will be the RG move to land some people to help identify the remains after the bad Falkland Islanders refused permission. Its got RG brilliant idea written all over it.
May 17th, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 060 cLOHO
May 17th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would this be a “Cunning plan” a la Baldrick of Blackadder fame? If it's the best they can come up with then we haven't got anything to worry about.
56 honoria
May 17th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i agree with you .
RG Head- in- sand: We won't acknowledge Falkland Islanders exist so lets go to Red Cross
May 18th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Red Cross: OK we'll help -contact HMG
HMG: This is an issue for FIG-hello Stanley....
FIG: RG's to apply to Immigration Department, and oh, could they send some of their people to get rid of the mines they laid?
RG's (and everyone via Red Cross): What mines?
@58 Conqueror
May 20th, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It has always been the case that soldiers are buried where they fall hence the many military cemeteries around the world. I don't oppose exhumation if the families want to take the bodies home but I would oppose any disturbance of the graves generated by some sick publicity stunt.
I have seen the families who visit the graves and it is easy to see that they are genuine. However the mobs of thugs that are sent over here complete with own tv crew to film them trying to harrass us are neither families or veterans - just thugs who have probably been paid to come here. Interestingly they are fair weather thugs - now that winter is coming they don't seem so keen to visit.
@64 “Interestingly they are fair weather thugs - now that winter is coming they don't seem so keen to visit.”
May 20th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll be visiting next month, but I'm British -- and not a thug. ;-)
@ 65 Mcarling
May 20th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will be very welcome! Don't forget your thermals, we had hail and snow this afternoon.
Thanks Honoria! I'll be prepared for hail, snow -- and wind!
May 20th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 061 toooldtodieyoung
May 21st, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Would this be a “Cunning plan” a la Baldrick of Blackadder fame?”
No, just something a few cunning stunts thought up for The Mad Bitch of Argentina.
:o)
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