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Serious Uruguay/Argentina clash over the long delayed dredging of a River Plate canal

Wednesday, May 16th 2012 - 06:13 UTC
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Uruguay called on Argentina to begin the price bidding process for the delayed dredging of a River Plate canal and revealed it was already monitoring the Uruguayan side of a joint commission responsible for deciding on the final contract and which has come under suspicion of corruption. Read full article

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  • toooldtodieyoung

    Look out Argentina!! Now you are p*ssing off your neighbours.

    Looks like time is running out for you.

    May 16th, 2012 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A.J.Rimmer

    The honest Uruguayan refused the bribe, and walked out for the meeting, leaving Argentina frothing at the mouth. I say good on Uruguay, there is a reason why this country is growing, and Argentina should take note.

    seems that Argentina is trying everything to hamper the much needed dredging as a “payback” for not having a share of the bribe. What a poor excuse of a country it is.

    May 16th, 2012 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Who ever thinks they can trust Argentina needs to see a psychiatrist more than CFK.

    May 16th, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Self Determination

    The British should offer to dredge the canal in return for docking rights for the next 50 years.

    May 16th, 2012 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    RioVia SA collects tolls for all vessels using canal, it would be interesting to know what income this produces and if this income reduces the cost of the dredging.

    For bribes of Of US$ 1 million to be paid by RioVia something is not right

    May 16th, 2012 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JuanGabriel

    Pop quiz - who is this quote attributable to

    “The Argentines are a mob of thieves, from the first to the last.”

    May 16th, 2012 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @6 Jorge Batlle. Next question?

    Oh dear, the oh-so-obvious argies. Argies want trade only on their terms. So they upset Brazil. Argies say that they want to identify remains of their war dead. And who believes them given they couldn't be bothered to issue their troops with dog tags. But they “demand” and “insist” that they should be allowed to go to the Islands, conduct forensic etc tests and the bury.... what? Remote-controlled devices? Able to stick out an antenna and monitor British forces' electronics in order to interfere with them at some later time? Explosives? Saboteurs? Not difficult to stick a guy in a body bag with a couple of oxygen cylinders and a light layer of soil over the top. Argies want their own “port” to get the lion's share of trade. So they delay, and delay, and delay getting a contract for the dredging of the channel to their competitor's port.

    Are argies capable of EVER doing anything honestly?

    Advice for Uruguay. Get on and dredge the channel yourselves. Then send half the bill to argieland. In the meantime, seize the whole area in lieu of the unpaid bill.

    May 16th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    They need a maritime equivalent of “The Great Escape”.

    A flotilla of small Uruguayan boats scooping sand from the Martin Garcia canal and then depositing it in the Mitre while doing a bad job of whistling to the stars.

    May 16th, 2012 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Can't they do ANYTHING right?
    l know the answer, why did l even bother to ask the question?
    Think, l invite you to put Argentina's case on this one.
    Think?
    Thiiiiink?
    Wherefore thou art, Thinkus horrobilus maximus?

    May 16th, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PirateLove

    i dont know the logistics or the geography but surely a canal like the panama canal would be worth investing in bypassing Argenweener all together.

    May 16th, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • STRATEGICUS

    With friends like the Argies who needs enemies.The Manchester ship canal and the various Dutch/Belgian canals near Antwerp and Rotterdam show that with enough will there is a way to unblock these types of blockages.

    May 16th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Here is the geography of it:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/ChannelsonRiverPlate.PNG

    I assume that the flow of the river makes dredging a channel is limited to specific routes - unfortunately some of which goes through Argentine territorial waters. It's clearly a scam to prevent Uruguay being able to compete.

    May 16th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GreekYoghurt

    @6 El presidente Jorge Batlle according to the internets, and let's face it, he wasn't wrong. He could only have come closer if he put 'and liars' in the middle.

    May 16th, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Jose Mujica is too weak of a President to go up against Argentina. This old commie needs to be shown the door before he drags Uruguay down to the RG level.
    Is anyone surprised about the bribe? If you don't pay every level of gov't to do business in Arg you will fail. Why do you think it costs 7X more to build a road than it does in the USA!

    May 16th, 2012 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    14 yankeeboy (#)
    May 16th, 2012 - 01:04 pm

    I think you'll find that old Pepe is a lot tougher than you think. He is a great believer in SA unity and has been trying to keep this alive against all odds. This latest Argentine “crime” is probably the straw that breaks the camel's back, similar to the Brazilian offensive over protectionism.

    We'll see in the next few days, but I really think Pepe will strike Kretina where it hurts.

    May 16th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    SA unity is a folly, Ii will never happen there is too much animosity and envy.
    I chuckle every time one of these K trolls brings it up because they act like no one knows history OR CURRENT EVENTS. If you think Chile will ever get along with Bolivia, or Colombia with Venezuela you are insane.

    May 16th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    16 yankeeboy (#)
    May 16th, 2012 - 01:49 pm

    Absolutely right. I know I'm not a typical Argentine, but in general we really don't like our neighbours and they don't like us. There is no way SA will ever find unity, this was Perón's big mistake, he always thought he could make the US of SA and didn't take into account that all south Americans are “ME Firsters”.

    I still think Pepe will thump it to Kretina over the Martín García Channel.

    May 16th, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    17. The only thing Uruguay can do it completely ignore Argentina and focus on Brazil and the USA.
    Toby and Guzz don't believe me but Uruguay and Brazil are in talks with USA on an FTA which means they will leave MercoSur. These treaties take a long time to work out but I think Uruguay will be pretty quick since they almost did it a few years ago and there is support in US Senate to get it done.
    When stupid TImmerman boarded our military jet it was a jhuge mistake and the USA is going to do everything they can to stick it to CFK. Getting Uruguay an FTA would hurt her pride a lot.

    May 16th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    18 yankeeboy (#)
    May 16th, 2012 - 02:22 pm

    I hope the FTA comes off, andASAP. Anything that puts a brake on Kretina is a plus for Argentina. The big problem here is that there is no real opposition to the mad woman, the only real force that could have done something is the UCR and they have proved themselves utter wimps. Maybe if Aguad could get together with Julio Cobos and make some sort of agreement with Macri there would be somebody to vote for, but I'm afraidit probably wont come to anything as the major part of the electorate has gone to far to the left.

    May 16th, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @12 Can you help any more? I would have thought that the major part of the Martin Garcia channel would be in Uruguayan waters. My guess is that the channel passes west of Martin Garcia Island. But, using Google maps, there doesn't seem to be much difference if a channel was cut EAST of the island. Then there doesn't seem to be much distance before getting out into the main river. If the satellite images are anything to go by, staying a little over a mile off the Uruguayan shore should enable the Uruguayans to dispense with using the argie channel at all.

    May 16th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @20

    I'll help you. You are a frikn moron, illiterate, monolingual, and a brit.

    Martin Garcia Island is an exclave. Why do you think Argentina forced Uruguay to cede it? So it could de facto control the River Plate through the channels!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Garcia_Island

    Why do you think Argentina forced Bolivia to cede part of the Antofagasta puna? Control of part of the major mineral resources there that now are just beginning to be exploited in Jujuy, Salta, and Catamarca provinces!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Garcia_Island

    Why do you think Argentina took Formosa, Chaco, Misiones from Paraguay? To grab part of the great South American fresh water Acquifer!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Garcia_Island

    Why do you think Argentina scrambled for the Pampa from the indians, and then Patagonia and got 85% of it? Territorial expansion (the country nearly doubled in size with the War of the Desert and the Patagonian annexation)

    And got half of Tierra del Fuego to boot to achieve some control over the Piedra Buena Straight.

    Why do you think Argentina bought from Brazil to have 80% of Iguazu Falls instead of 50%, when Brazil was dirt poor in the 1900s?

    Imagine Argentina without the mineral resources of the northwest, without a part of the Acquifer, without the oil fields in Patagonia, without control of the Rio de la Plata, without most of Iguazu Falls...

    Expansionism works.

    May 16th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    21 tobias (#)
    May 16th, 2012 - 04:05 pm

    Yes it does to an extent, but not in the Falklands!!

    May 16th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @22

    You never know if you didn't try.

    The Antarctic Peninsula is our goal now. With Global Warming, it could be a new agricultural region shortly.

    May 16th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    All that expansionism and all those resources and yet Argentina is still a basketcase of a country. Tisk.

    May 16th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    21. Toby, I will ask you the same question“ Can you imagine Argentina without all of the natural resources” I can and it is called Paraguay.

    Even with all of the natural resources you are heading there anyway.

    Peronism has ruined any chance of Argentina succeeding.

    May 16th, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @24

    Tell me Brit is there anything about the European or UK economy worth imitating? Have you read the news just today?

    The lights are flickering on the Titanic dear, and the UK is a capsized lifeboat way to close to the ship and can't get away (too tied to it). As a good Brit, such a seafaring culture, you know what happens when the big ship sinks, and you are too near...

    @25

    I agree Peronism is a joke, but the people that get hurt by it are those that voted for it, the poor and the “middle class” that work for the government.

    The farmers, the real middle class (the one has own businesses, stores, a skilled trade, or a degree; plus the upper class and the entertainment class), may be hurt by any recession but nowhere near as those solely dependent on the government. And as soon as the economy turns so do they.

    It is the 25% chronically poor and the 15-20% “working” class which are beholden to the labor unions that get perpetually screwed. Well deserved.

    But remember, if there is a recession it would be the first one in 10 years... is it really that shocking? Your country has had two full recessions in that time, one of them severe borderline depression, and may head to a third soon.

    Can't brag too much buddy.

    May 16th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    25 yankeeboy (#)
    May 16th, 2012 - 04:19 pm

    As things are, and will be in the near future, I think being as high on the list as Paraguay is actually pretty damn good.

    May 16th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    @Tobias

    I love the irony in your posts (a sharp incongruity or discordance that goes beyond the simple and evident intention of words or actions)

    May 16th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Yep. But we have never defaulted on a single loan, expropriated any foreign businesses, seized a single pension funds, fiddled inflation figures etc, etc, etc. You can drop us in it big time and we will take it, but lie to us and your history!!!!!

    May 16th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Britain didn't default on a single loan because it was given a direct loan by the USA in 1945. Without it, you would have defaulted.

    Britain didn't default in 1975 because it was bailed out by the IMF to the tune of 2.8 billion 1975 pounds, about 30 billion in todays US dollars.

    May 16th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Yep and they paid them back, your point is?

    May 16th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    Tobias try to keep things in perspective.

    The economy isn't so great in the UK at the moment. The very high level it was running at wasn't sustainable and there's a readjustment going on and for sure it will take years to balance out.

    HOWEVER when a society considers minimal growth and 4% inflation as very bad and the choice is between taking only one holiday in Europe this year instead of 2 or waiting another year before buying a
    new $30 000 car or delaying on buying that 2nd home in Spain then we can see that whats happening in Argentina now is far worse than what the UK is going through.

    May 16th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Tobers,

    What's “happening” in Argentina is something about 83% of the population on this planet would love to go through, from most of Mexico through central America, Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay, the vast majority of Brazil north of Sao Paulo, even the poor in Chile; a significant portion of the Caribbean, the entirety of Africa, all of Central Asia, the vast majority of SE Asia except microstate like Singapore, the vast majority of China, all of the Asian Subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh), the greater part of the Arab world an Magreb, and yes, even to this day quite some countries in Eastern Europe, as well a many Russians and Ucranians, and quite a few Pacific Islanders... between buying electronics in Chile or Miami, travelling to Brazil or vacationing in country, buying a car to beat inflation or try to renovate the house...

    4/5 of this planet would love to make those choices.

    Ever thought of it like that????

    May 16th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    I might be wrong, but can anyone tell me of any occasion where any country in the world sued the UK in any court in the world, for money the UK owed them?

    May 16th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    Yes Tobias but look at what Argentina has and and how much time its had to sort itself out. You cant blame everything on the USA or the UK Which ever way you look at it Argentina is not heading down the right road, as always. I don't take pleasure in saying that.

    Anyway we were comparing Argentina with the UK were we not?

    May 16th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    33.
    What makes you think any of those poor people want to be poor in Argentina? That doesn't make any sense. There is a lot more opportunity to better your life in other countries.

    BTW how long do you think the peso will be under $6...a week or two?

    May 16th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    Tobias
    The final payment of the load of 1945 from the US was made in 2006 - so yes we do repay out debts.
    Although a loan of 2.8 billion was made available to the UK the full amount was never drawn as it was not needed.

    At the end of 2001 Argentina defaulted on debts approaching US$132 billion.
    Argentina is still in default of $7billion debts.

    Argentina is the only G20 member not to submit to annual IMF “Article IV” reviews. Scrutiny of its public accounts could make it squirm – inflation and other data have become discredited over the past three years amid widespread suspicion the government fudges the figures to conceal price rises that are more than double the officially acknowledged rate (Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2012)

    May 16th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    We were talking about the UK and European economy TODAY at this moment... and yes, there is nothing worth imitating sorry to say.

    Whatever wealth you have has not been created in the last 5 years since you have been in recession, and the recovery has been so feeble is not even worth mentioning specially since it is only idle growth based on recouping lost ground, not genuine growth to new levels.

    @37

    Argentina, unlike Europe, UK, Japan, Brazil, Mexico, South Korea, Russia, Turkey, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, and the USA via China, and Greece/Portugal/Iceland/Ireland today (notice there are “northern” europeans in that recent list), did not get a “bailout” to avoid a default when those countries were in crisis.

    The rest of the world did not default on debts in their crises because they were bailed out, simple as that. Otherwise they would have since the market speculation would have succeeded.

    Yankeeboy, you are desperately grasping at straws and engaging in Occam's razor.

    I could tell you very few argies would want to live in the USA, how do you disprove it?

    If we look at raw numbers, as you like to point out, the USA and Europe are better off than Argentina. But so it is it compared to all those places I mentione and you know it. Sorry.

    May 16th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    @tobias

    We are all of topic on this thread “Serious Uruguay/Argentina clash over the long delayed dredging of a River Plate canal”

    May 16th, 2012 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @39

    And I was talking about how argie expansionism allows us now to control the greater usable part of the Rio de la Plata. It was, as usual, the brits and yankees that then came and divagated the topic, by bringing “argie natural resources and economic performance”, from the expansionism debate which I brought up to explain how it is Argentina has an exclave in Uruguayan territory which prevents dredging (since the exclave is a NATURE PRESERVE).

    Argentina is only abiding by treaties. Are you saying we should violate it?

    May 16th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    Tobias. I'm just trying to put things into perspective.

    The impression I get from you is that the UK is in an apocalyptic or free fall state. That its as corrupt and unstable as Argentina.

    Its not.

    May 16th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @38
    As opposed to who's growth?yours. Argentina did not get a bail out. Oh, priceless, really priceless! Who in their right mind was going to bail you out, no one would lend you the money. The other countries? yes, but you? no and you hold that up as an example, of what? exactly what? that your a shit risk? The greatest default ever and you twist it to make you look good. Shit forget CFK, you should be running your country.

    May 16th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PirateLove

    @21 The Falklands, Expansion didnt quite work in 1982 did it , actually it cost Argenweener their Belgrano and entire airforce let alone world humiliation, a painful lesson your country has simply forgotten, but never fear Brits are always here to give you that reminder.

    but look on the bright side the UK did help you gain a government without dictatorship for 25 years,that is until now.

    May 16th, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Moriety

    @ 21 Tobias

    “I'll help you. You are a frikn moron, illiterate, monolingual, and a brit.”

    Hey mate, lay off the national insults, it helps no one and your posts are generally better quality than that.
    You posts are often educational to me, and always informative. At times it seems only you, Elaine, Yankeeboy, Joe and a few others make rational posts.

    May 16th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Toby,
    “I could tell you very few argies would want to live in the USA, how do you disprove it?”

    You disprove it by looking at immigration statistics.

    I would say your statement is not true due to the estimated 250K illegal Rgs currently living in Miami alone!

    May 16th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Uruguay
    She only has to ask,
    We are sure the British government could come up with an agreement to dredge the canal , [as @4suggested]
    In return for basing rights,
    Can you imaging the slap in the face, for CFK to look across the canal and see the royal navy sitting on the other side in Uruguay
    Waters, oh the embarrassment,
    She might even jump in and drown.

    May 16th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Yankeeboy as usual talking out of his a$$. He is so predictable that is why I brought the issue up as bait.

    250k is a number from 2002 in the height of the crisis. It is well known that Argentines have “vanished” from Miami. I was reading how during the crisis the “argentine steakhouse” boom in Miami started, and all of them run by argies down to the waterboy. Now you hardly find any Argentine working in argentine steakhouses. Where they go? In LaNacion it said how moving companies from Miami to Argentina were making a killing shipping cars, furniture and the like back to BA from argentines getting out of the USA.

    And last but not least, to undo your little pathetic attempt at spin “25ok in Miami alone” is a lovely attempt at dissembling on your part. You should be ashamed to try to play into the ignorance of others here (since the majority here has no clue about the demographics here).

    “In Miami alone” is like saying “in the Milky Way galaxy, there are 6 billion humans on Earth ALONE”... LOL

    Unlike the other latin americans which you can find everywhere, are no other argie colonies in the USA outside Miami (and possibly NYC but much smaller). Outside those two places it is rare you will ever run into one.

    LOL.

    May 16th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PirateRock

    @40
    Do you abide by the 1850 treaty?

    May 16th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Moriety

    Nobody mentioned the Dutch company who actually tried to bribe the Argentinian and Uruguayian officals. Who are they and where else do they operate?
    I hope the Dutch Government has taken notice.

    May 16th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    No, it is you who says Argentina ignores treaties.

    Well here is a treaty that Argentina respects. You do know that part of the treaty that ceded Martin Garcia to Argentina stated it was to be a nature preserve, right?

    Generally speaking there is no dredging in nature preserves.....

    May 16th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    47.
    Looks like there were a few left in 2010...FYI there are 250K maybe more currently. Unless ICE is after them they don't go back.

    http://www.goinglocaltravel.com/2010/07/03/exploring-miamis-little-buenos-aires/

    BTW RGs have infested Houston too...

    May 16th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @47 Tobias
    Argentines getting out of the USA. Question, why did they, the 250k, no small number, go there in the first place?
    First you say, “It is well known Argentines have vanished from miami.”
    Then you say, “Unlike other latin Americans which you can find anywhere, are no Argie colonies (You used the ”C“ word” you should wash your mouth out with soap) in the USA, outside of Miami...
    Now is it me? or are you contradicting yourself?

    May 16th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Oh yankeebooy oy oy oy...

    You want to bring an article about a World Cup situation?

    In the World Cup, I easily found throngs of South Koreans, Germans, Italians, Chileans, etc, etc, in Mendoza. You would think there were hundreds of thousands of them. It means nothing except it is the World Cup (a real global sporting event). And yes, I have pictures to prove it.

    Americans are infesting Mendoza, specially Tupungato, your point?

    @52

    You do know how many millions and millions of English left England? and left all European countries. That's no small number, in fact I would be embarrassed till eternity 50 million Europeans left... why?

    And you are going to compare 800k argentines that emigrated since the 1970s?? (and about 70k returned in the last few years).

    Where is the contradiction? From what I gather, outside Miami, New York and maybe Orlando there are no such things as “argie communities”. But you can find Honduran, Chilean, Brazilian, Mexican, Colombians ALL OVER THE USA in great numbers.

    May 16th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @52 Tobias
    I take it then that you are an Argentinian of indiginous descent? and not a descendant of one of those Europeans. I understand that up to 47% of Argentinians can claim Italian ancestry. Millions of English did not leave England. However millions of English, Scots, Welsh and Irish did leave Britian over a 200 year period. Canadians often brag that there are more Scots in Canada, than in Scotland. If you wish to know why they emigrated? ask the descendants of your own settlers. I suspect the reasons will be the same.
    As for contradiction, you say that the Argentinians have vanished from Miami, then you say there is a colony (there's that word again) of them there. That in my book, is a contradiction.

    May 16th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    53. But we re not talking about USA UK EU citizens being able to retire in luxury in a 3rd world country are we? No we aren't.

    We are talking about an infestation of RGs in the USA, are you telling me that there are 730K still here since they started coming in the 70s?

    Gosh I hope not! ICE should send them home...

    May 16th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    “We are fed up with Argentina’s dirty tricks and delays”

    Sorry guys to keep on returning to what this thread was about in the first place, but does anyone else get a sense that KFC has been rumbled over this one?

    May 16th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @55

    I said 800K people left ARGENTNA. To anywhere in the world, but that doesn't say how many returned. Since I at least try to be fair, I don't hide new information that may be to YOUR advantage. I don't need to hide things.

    800k leaving Argentina vs 9 million arrivals (7 million europeans, 2million recent immigrants from neighboring countries and Latin America, and Asia and Africa).

    What does that tell you oy oy oy? Since you put such high stock on raw data... are you going to deny Argentina is full of other South Americans and in recent years Chinese, South Koreans, and even black Africans??

    No, these are not retirees you fool, plenty of young people and middle-age single couples.

    May 16th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    It's simple really. They are worried that if Uruguay gets the shipping acccess she wants to her ports and world trade, they will out perform Argentinian markets. They are right to worry, because that is certainly what will happen.

    May 16th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @58

    Yes, everyone is better than Argentina. We are the worst at everything in every category and best at being last.

    What credibility can you anti-argie people have really.

    May 16th, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Rather unfair to your country,
    But alas your opinion and we must respect your opinion .

    May 16th, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Tobias
    Before I go, early start for work tomorow. Apologies, misread your post at 53. However the reason why so many Brits, not English, emmigrated, is for the exact same reason as any other emmigrant to whatever counrty. A better life than the one they are living “contemporary to the times in which they are living it.”

    May 16th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Moriety

    Yes, USA colonial records show just before the War of Independence that 86% where British, with just 8,000 Irish, most of which were Ulster Scots ( the Protestant lot).
    I think I read that over a 200-hundred period the moderm UK lost 13 million to other lands, but if you consider that the UK in 1760 was only 6 million that is a huge drain.

    Our population should at least compare to Japan (80m) had colonialism never happened.
    Now who was I writing this to and for what reason lol! Time for bed soon I think...

    May 16th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @21 Well, thank you, shitface. Why don't you keep your fecking stupid nose out of conversations that don't concern you. Try remembering that you're an amoral, belligerent, crapulous, degenerate, egotistical, ferking, glutinous, horrendous, irrelevant, labial, mendacious, necrophiliac, putrid, rancid, scrofulous, toad-like, useless, vicious, wimpish, xenophobic, yammerheaded zygote. STFU.
    @23 Not a chance. Which do you want to be? Bombs-r-us or missiles-r-us?
    @26 Don't know about the euro-heap. Britain is so far beyond argieland, you're, quite properly, in the crapper.
    @30 How nice to know that argieland has ALWAYS defaulted.
    @33 Good luck with that then. But there'll be no food aid.
    @38 Dreamin', just dreamin'. Looking forward to the day we don't hear from you anymore because you can't afford your power bills.
    @40 Because, you brain-dead turd, there is ANOTHER way. That will end your control!
    @47 Shall we assume that toby-girl is high on meth and not really itself? Has its boy(?)friend shagged it recently?
    @50 That was then. Things have changed. Get used to it.
    @57 Tells me argieland is a good place for crims..........and queers.
    @59 Loads more than you, toad.

    May 17th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • UruguayBR

    Argentina has announced that they will agree to open the tender for dredging Martin Garica canal. They may have feared losing the tax-exchange treaty.
    http://uruguaybr.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/martin-garcia-canal-conflict-argentina-agrees-to-advance-tender-process-for-canal-dredging/

    May 17th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    The “Port War” between Buenos Aires and Montevideo started in colonial times and has been smoldering ever since. The Uruguayan ports on the Uruguay River (Nueva Palmira, Fray Bentos and others) were prosperous until the end of WW2, then fell into decay for decades.
    Only recently have the river ports become active again, mostly due to soybean (a “weed” according to CFK) and paper pulp (NK arranged for bogus environmentalists to block an int'l bridge for years as a protest because foreign investors deemed Uruguay less corrupt and set up their mill here.)
    My suggestion to get the Argentines out of the picture altogether is a railway crossing Uruguay from the Nueva Palmira region to the deep water port of La Paloma, which is on Uruguay's Atlantic coast and just about as far away as Uruguay can get from Argentina. Perhaps the Chinese would build it and take part payment in soy?

    May 19th, 2012 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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