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The name HMS Dauntless is no newcomer for the Falkland Islands
In anticipation of the imminent arrival in the Falkland Islands of the Royal Navy’s Type 45 destroyer HMS Dauntless, local historian and author John Allan writes that her predecessor was posted to the Islands in the 1930s. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesType 45 Dauntless: the bringer of death for those foolish enough to try another invasion.
May 17th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regular, or extra crispy pilots Argentina? Assuming you have any age related airframe damaged Mirage 3s or 5s that can still fly. Forget the other crap.
LOL
You ingleees pigs are provoking us.
May 17th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0;)
Well, the Type 45 is certainly more capable as an air defence ship than the Type 23 that it is replacing, about five times as capable. That's what it was designed for.
May 17th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dare say that if the MoD could figure out a way to send 1/5 of a ship then they'd have done that to avoid upsetting poor delicate Argentine sensibilities (and because it'd be cheaper) but ship numbers tend to work better as integers rather than fractions.
Good old Dauntless, guarantee RG's try something during Olympics!! It will be fishermen raising a flag or something equally imaginative.
May 17th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Trolls can have this one for free, bring a pregnant RG women over just about to give birth, if she has the baby on the Falklands it could claim Self Determination....yeah baby i am thinking like the Reich Mistress now :)
Let's face it, the current HMS Dauntless could destroy the entire argie air force all by itself. Then her Lynx helicopters could destroy the argie navy. Just watch those Sea Skua anti-ship missiles and the torpedoes coming in. Wonder what happens if you fire an anti-ship missile at a building?
May 17th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately Dauntless is fitted for but without (naval term) anti ship missiles or cruise. But the good news is they have thought about it and plumbed in the launchers...ready for when the MOD get round to fitting.
May 17th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good news the MOD £38 billion blackhole is now sorted and we can move forward arming ships correctly.
Which means Harpoon launcher, goalkeeper, and cruise (no chance)
Talk is that the MOD may order 13 Type 26 Frigates...more would be better but they will be one hell of a ship.
Any hoo yes a great air defence destroyer but not properly tooled up yet.
5 Conqueror
May 17th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It depends on the missile. The Harpoon has been touted for a while as being developed for VLS but nothing has been released at present.
The Sea Skua won't fit the bill either.
The holy grail is of course VERTICAL LAUNCH: - Anti Ship - Land Attack - Anti submarine.
Cruise missiles are the best bet but you need a horizontal / near horizontal launcher for most of them from surface ship or aircraft.
http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.com/2012/04/type-26-type-45-anti-ship-missiles.html
Our submarines can launch cruise missiles however, so all is not lost.
5 May 2012
May 17th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Not so Dauntless... Navy's £1 billion warship blacked out by a £10 fuse”
“£1 billion vessel was left helpless and stranded – when a £10 fuse apparently blew.
The incident is a huge embarrassment to the Ministry of Defence and Dauntless’s commander”
HAHAHAHA.. another HMS Crap heading to Turkey scrapyards soon.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2140100/Navys-1-billion-warship-HMS-Dauntless-blacked-10-fuse.html#ixzz1v9MAoYmk
Don't worry Marcos, it's a brand new ship and there's always a few problems in the shakedown period. Just telling you this because being an Argentinian you've not had any experience of NEW ships.
May 17th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking of which, how's your clapped out, 3rd hand naval vessels doing these days? any still operational?
8 - Does Argentina buy old ships from the scrap yards for there mighty navy??
May 17th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your aircraft carrier 25th of mayonnaise was ex British and your submersible Belgrano dated from Pearl Harbour!!! and was ex US.
Oh and the other 2 destroyers that are rotting away are British made as well!!!
You certainly have a thriving ship building industry jajajajajajaja
@8
May 17th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the Dauntless, without power for TWO (dos) MINUTES would still frighten the crap out of your 'navy'.
Because they know, even if you don't want to admit it, that if ever The Mad Bitch tried to invade the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) even with the Dead Man Walking Chavez in support, our military would kick your arses well and truly this time and we would not stop at the islands. Got it now?
jajajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja (is this enough for you Marcos?)
9 WestisBest No I don't worry I am happy that we don't waste money like that. I can't wait to see the ship commander running to one of our hardware stores in the mainland...Un fuse por favor.. :-)))))))
May 17th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 010 cLOHO Remember, not too far from that old prehistoric “submersible Belgrano”(like you said), are lying in the same ocean floor a whole collection of the most modern powerful ships as well.
“HAHAHAHA.. another HMS Crap heading to Turkey scrapyards soon.”
May 17th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you actually read the story?
A fuse went out and the ships navigation system went off , the fuse was replaced within two minuites. Hardly anything major. All other systems were fine.
But as always we know you're only here to troll. Deep down you know this ship would flatten anything your country could throw at it.
13 zethe Such an expensive modern ship and some bird poop disguised as a cruise missile hit an open fuse box :-)))
May 17th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it was from Argentina it was chicken @hit.
May 17th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 014 - Hows the ex UK & US & German Argy fleet??? going to sea anywhere soon. We are scrapping HMS Plymouth a falklands war ship that has been a museum and is approx 50 years old, do the mighty RG navy want to buy her, shes a bit hi-tec for the RG's but beggars cant be choosers.. jajajajajajaa
@5 + @7
May 17th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looking at designs released by BAE in January (the latest designs available to the public) there are 2 types of VLS silo, the CAMM silo (can't remember how many) and a “main missile silo”, it's a reccuring design feature thats been around for the T26 for a while. It suggests the MOD is definitely looking towards a VL cruise missile along the lines of TacTom, or SCALP-Naval if neccesary for land-attack/ASuW as VL Harpoon is pretty much dead as a concept.
@3 the MOD named the T45 as 5x as capable as a T42 in AAW, so it'd be faaaaar more than that for the T23 in the same role.
@6 No chance having Goalkeeper fitted, my understanding is that Phalanx 1B is the preferred option for a CIWS as it's a smaller/lighter system, Phalanx are already being fitted on T45s as and when they need to be recycled from the T42s
9 WestisBest
May 17th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does Argentinaland even have a Navy these days?
16 - That sounds great ..was Daring fitted with phalanx or goalkeeper prior to deployment?
May 17th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cant wait for them to start kitting them out, and for the RG Trolls we could buy some £10 fuses, i imagine they still fit fuse wire to there old tubs.
I would purchase or lease some more river class patrol vessels for the islands to counter the low tech 'cod war' type battles that RG's will start once oil starts pumping. Or even gunned up trawlers. Anyway RG's are slavering over our navy now, jealousy is a terrible thing RG trolls.
The name is Dauntless
May 17th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very dauntless,
And don’t get in my way,
Little one ??
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Marcos: The saddest part is, for a troll, you aren't even good at your day job.
May 17th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
May 17th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, fitted with x2 Phalanx 1B either side of the SAMPSON mast
http://www.flickr.com/photos/grant359/5852897511/lightbox/
Goalkeeper isn't going to be fitted to any new ships, like i said, apparently Phalanx is preferred as it's smaller, lighter + easier to remove/maintain i've read
our nuclear sub, who was in the south atlantic, was today enering jamestown for a visit,
May 17th, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0awaiting the HMS Dauntless arrival .
@21
May 17th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0note: Not directly next to SAMPSON mast, but you can see then pretty clearly anyway
@22
I'd like to see some links please
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May 17th, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i follow this every day,
keep it to fav, if needed
http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/
looks good
A lone ship is always vulnerable to air attack, even a modern ship like the dauntless. Remember the mighty Bismark was disabled by a WW1 biplane. Skill and courage are more than a match for technology.
May 17th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Marco
The “modern powerful ships” you refer, like the Sheffield, was considerably less modern than the exocet which hit it.
23 RobWilliams
May 17th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry about that, I was talking to someone when I put in Jamestown instead of [ simonstown.]
But you have to wait until someone replies to answer,,,,
Interestingly on the other blog [Truth_Telling_Trοll
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Did 4 of a roll, without anyone replying.
How did he do this I wonder.
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Becasue I am a lonely troll no one wants to talk to, so I have to adapt strategies in order to survive.
May 17th, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Talking to myself is my way of doing it.
I hope that is ok.
how did you do 4 before others replied .
May 17th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17
May 17th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They sure do, mind you I believe all their vessels are rusted to the dock after being moored up for 30 years. After they ran for home in '82 they haven't found the courage to go to sea again.
@28
May 17th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that's a secret for desperate trolls like me
@6 But Dauntless' helicopters carry Sea Skua missiles!
May 18th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Not sure why you say Sea Skua missile won't fit the bill. It does have a 30kg warhead. Plus kinetic energy. It's guided to target by the helicopter's illuminating radar.
@8 Ever had a piece of electric or electronic equipment go phut shortly after you'd got it free in the jumble sale? It's a well-known phenomenon. Either a component fails shortly after first use, or it lasts for years. But do tell us how you are getting on with that nuclear reactor you want to put into that German submarine that is still mostly in crates. Coming on well, is it?
@17 Don't be cruel. Of course, argieland has a navy. The same sort of vessels that the UK uses for fishery protection.
@25 A Type 45 is not so vulnerable as you might think. Remember that a Type 45 is primarily designed as an air defence vessel. It is conservatively estimated that a single Type 45, in an intensive attack, could track, engage and destroy MORE targets than 5 Type 42s operating together. When you see someone say that a Type 45 could destroy the argie air force ON ITS OWN, it is no more than the truth.
31 Conqueror
May 18th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You were asking what happens when you fire an anti-ship missile at a building.
The Sea Skua expects target illumination - do you think a helicopter should be that close to the Argie mainland to enable a hit on a building? That is why I made the comment “The Sea Skua won't fit the bill either.”
Can a Tornado launched Storm Shadow target a building or runway?
May 18th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 Pete Bog.
May 19th, 2012 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The simple answer is “yes”. Storm shadow is designed to do precisley that. If a stockpile of them has been built up in the falkands, they could be fired from any deployed Tornado GR4 bombers into targets in Argentina.
The weapon is quite accurate, and combat proven (used in Libya). before the Argies start squealing about Libya - remember that Gaddafi was a murdereing tyrant who backed, armed and financed the IRA, had his security forces carry out murder in our streets, and who was responsible for the Lockerbie atrocity (an act of war in my opinion).
Again - I will pre-empt any Argentine protests by pointing out that the Vincennes was a USN vessel. Direct any umbrage at the yanks for that one.
@32 I accept your point. But here's a question. If it would be dangerous for a Lynx to get in close, could another British aircraft “take over” the “illumination”? Could a Typhoon take over? I honestly don't know the answer.
May 19th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 Worth bearing in mind that “when needs must” Storm Shadow can be launched from the Typhoon. Although the Tornado can do it already.
Isn't it nice to know that the (restricted) Royal Air Force can destroy anything in argieland?
But, most importantly, it is important to remember that there is nothing in argieland worth keeping. “Cities”, “towns”, “villages”, “infrastructure”, “things that look like humans”. Not a single argie thing worth keeping! Evolution is a wonderful thing. If it's not viable, destroy it to retain a proper gene pool. Avoid contamination. Is there anything in the argie profile worth keeping?
@35
May 19th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Storm Shadow hasn't even been integrated for the Typhoon and (as far as i know) isn't due to be integrated until around 2014 and until that happens, there's 0% chance of any Storm Shadows being launched from the Typhoon.
The only aircraft in the RAF inventory is the Tornado GR4
#4 they're way ahead of you. They did that in 1978 to bolster their claims in Antarctica.
May 19th, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emilio_Palma
@35/36
May 19th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Tornado GR4 is currently the only aircraft in the RAF inventory which can carry Storm Shadow, as far as i know.
I clicked send before finishing my comment :/
So if the UK need to take out targets in Argentina (such as aircraft runways), and don't wish to use Submarine Launched Tomahawks, a few air- refuelled Tornado GR4s could fly to MPA within 24 hours. No wonder the RGs want to send AA to MPA three times a week, so they can disgorge commandos. Don't think Lan-Chile allow armed RG soldiers in the cabin.
May 20th, 2012 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@39
May 20th, 2012 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, but i doubt that the RAF would orchestrate such attacks, it looks better for the UK to be defending the islands rather than attacking mainland Argentina. It doesn't give the RG government an oppertunity to twist the conflict to their own ends.
The only strikes on airfields would be MPA, as it's a substantially bigger airbase than before and thus that more important as a target 'should' it fall.
I wouldn't be suprised if the pilots got grilled when they turned back to BA about what facilities they saw, planes, anything.
My father served on the “Dauntless” in the early and middle '30s of the twentieth century. He visited the Faulklands and also most of the South American principal ports such as Buenaventura, Guayaquil, Callao and Buenos Aires. He often used to talk about the Faulklands with much nostalgia.
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