MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentine frozen chips retained in the border because of trade dispute with Brazil
Canada’s Mc Cain has suspended production of frozen chip potatoes in Argentina because of the trade barriers which impede exports to Brazil in the framework of a bilateral dispute that is limiting the flow of goods both ways. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesLooks like we know where Brazil stands when the chips are down!
May 22nd, 2012 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry.
@1 LOL it had to be said.
May 22nd, 2012 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0We've had the Soccer War - will we get the Kentucky Fried Chip War next?
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have to feel sorry for those 700 argentine workers (well except the ones that voted CFK) because i hate to see anyone being made redundant. Especially when those redundancies are forced on a company not because of poor business decisions or business finances, but solely because of an incompetent government, that clearly sort they could restrict imports and not expect other countries to retaliate. I wonder what those workers now facing redundancy think of CFK and her policies! I bet they do not think highly of her.
May 22nd, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is just the start of things to come too, because clearly if argentina continue to leave their trade restrictions in place, their neighbours will simply expand on their own restrictions on imported argentine goods which will effect even more industrial sectors and not just the potatoe and chips.
As I said before, Brazil were right to choose perishable goods to target. Instant problems are the only problems CFKC deals with, she has no ability to plan or think long-term.
May 22nd, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0It looks as if the factory owners are trying to delay the redundancies by setting the workers to cleaning tasks but it cannot last long.
I wonder what solution will be found. Does CFK have a history of backtracking or losing face? I can see this turning into a tit for tat until it all goes wrong and she is booted out of office.
May 22nd, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK can't loose face, how can she, we all know she is never in the wrong!
May 22nd, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rgs are very good at backtracking. They invest crisis then when it doesn't materialize or people laugh at their ridiculousness they backtrack. Think of the lead in printed books. That policy lasted a day before it was overturned.
May 22nd, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0As factories start idling workers and unemployment creeps up they will have to re-think the import ban.
They are in a very tough position, they know the economy is failing and have no idea how to fix it.
The only short term way to get a boost is massive devaluation then try to hold back the hyper inflation when it starts.
Devaluation in imminent you can see it in the black market U$ purchases it is $5.70 today. Shortly it will be $6/1 but once the general population starts to panic who knows where it may end up.
But doesn't all of South Amereica love Argentina?
May 22nd, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is an example of the fairy tale Argentine government who claim worldwide support for their claims on the Falkland Islands and claim South America is united. This is just another example of the reality that the South American countries hate each other's guts. Apart from Argentine workers loosing their jobs through KFCs incompetence which is regrettable, the Falkland Islanders must be laughing at the continual blunders made by a laughable government.
May 22nd, 2012 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BUT IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT!!!!!
May 22nd, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who would have thought that just stopping imports to Argentina would result in this?
Well, everybody except the idiots in the Argie 'government'.
I blame the Brits, really I do. :o)
All the fault of the brits,
May 22nd, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or French fries lol.
But they could always close the factory in Argentina,, then reopen it in brazil, then export to Argentina,
Or is this not poss. .
instead of laying of the 700 workers, why doesn't the RG government tell McCain to just drive those trucks around Argentina and hand out those chips. After all, we have carne para todos, futbol para todos, and petroleo para todos. Now they can have papas fritas para todos!
May 22nd, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12
May 22nd, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No you are slightly wrong, it's actually the fault of
The Junta in 82 (which absolutley no RGs ever supported)
or, Carlos Menem (which no RG ever elected)
or, The pirate usurpers from the Falklands
after that, Tony Blair, Queen Elizabeth and the ConLib Coalition.
@9
May 22nd, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like the love for the Brits in Europe? (ask France, Germany and Spain).
I guess you still have the Italians, maybe.
I always laugh when Europeans talk about how South Americans hate each other... typing such crap when they are probably eating through their veggies the 70 million yead the last 100 years of European history has brought.
But as the saying goes “In Europe we show love in the trenches”...
I always knew that saying may hold a double meaning. Sinister.
yankeeboy,
It was uninformed argentine outrage at the book restrictions that lead CFK to “backtrack”. It certainly wans't the mighty USA.
Sad part is argies are now exposed to those poison-laden US and European books. I bought the Little Prince in French some time ago and I am not making this up, on one of the pages I realized I was running the ink!! Literally, I lifted my finger and there were smudges of black ink where it had rested.
Surely upon a lead content test, I will come back as positive. Your books are lead inked, fact.
15. Toby, Stop eating books and you won't have a problem! You are an ignorant twit.
May 22nd, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Truth is only a troll when you are liar.
May 22nd, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a liar, so the truth is a troll.
Another philosophical nugget from the Truth Telling Troll.
@ 9 and 10
May 22nd, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Putting lead ink conspiracies and CFK antics to one side, you are wrong on this.
South Americans don’t all hate each other. There are conflicts yes, like there have always been in Europe too. In fact the armed conflicts in Europe have generally been worse. Today Europe is more integrated than SAmerica on every level, but this might not always be the case.
SAmerica has far greater potential to truly integrate than Europe. With the exception of Brazil we have a common language and history, and even Brazil is not so different. In Europe you will always be divided by language, culture and history and when times are tough ruptures will always appear along these fault lines.
McCain Argentina: a now-idle $140 million plant in Balcarce, BA province, that had 600 direct jobs and 3,000 indirect jobs.
May 22nd, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Refence: http://www.mccain.com.ar/mcinstitucional/conozcanos/historiaMcCain/historiaMcCain.axx?&cmsId=3&categoryId=7
@18
May 22nd, 2012 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South America might have the potential to integrate but unfortunately Argentina will stand in the way of this happening.! After Argentina is South America and all the rest of the South American counties must follow their lead.
Wait until they have to idle plants for lack of Nat Gas! 10s of 100s of workers around BA unemployed shortly.
May 22nd, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does that mean large bakeries will be idled too? What no bread??
Brr
35% tax on exports - hm not good
May 22nd, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 030% inflation - Wow, out of control
5% average worker wage increase - poor workers - Solution =
Hector Timerman's Tree Bark Recipe
100 grams of yeast
1x Litre of luke warm water
1x Litre of rye flower
1.5 Litres of white flour
1/2 cup of tree bark from the local forest
Blend ingredients and knead the dough
Allow to rise for one hour
Roll into smaller rounds
Baking time varies according to size of the bread
Try 10 minutes at 225C
Argentina has had its chips.
May 22nd, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wot! No salt and vinegar?
May 22nd, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They dont need chips they have endless supply of boxed chocolates, yummy
May 22nd, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#5 Elaine please stop turning every political issue into a psychoanalysis of Cristina. Anyway all successful political leaders have to react to immediate issues, those movements which focus exclusively on the bigger picture turn into sects. And she and Nestor have over the last 5 years, while dealing with every crisis as it has come up, built up an alternative model, even if one you as a cutthroat neoliberal don't like =) As there is now a Yoda on this board, I'll leave you with salient advice from Star Wars Episode 1. Obi-Wan Kenobi: “But Master Yoda says we should be mindful of the future...” Qui-Gon Jin (his Jedi master): “But not at the expense of the moment” Viva Jedi Mistress Cristina =)
May 22nd, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26
May 22nd, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be mindful of the future, yes.
There is much darkness in CFK, corrupted by power she has become.
Gone to the dark side, she has.
@26 B-K
May 22nd, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you miss my invitatioin @151 here:
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/05/18/cristina-fernandez-insisted-in-angola-on-the-south-atlantic-as-an-area-of-peace?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=aviso_comentarios#comments
@Yoda
What's your take on the Clone Wars animated series?
@26 Please stop trying to censor my posts. I will not feed your ridiculous, teenage-style crush on a person you have never met and never will, nor will I help you embellish your fantasy version of Argentina; a country you admit you have never visited. I have visited many times, lived there for months at a time, and I post based on knowledge and experience.
May 22nd, 2012 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFKC is bi-polar and displays all the traits of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
If you don't like my posts, don't read them.
Elaine
May 22nd, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately British Kirchnerist is one of those poor lost souls who dreams of the great USSR revolution that he missed by many generations and would dearly love to live in Cuba or Venezuela.
@30 He could. Just like he could go to Argentina and experience the reality. But I doubt he wants that because his illusion would be ruined and he is happy living a fantasy.
May 22nd, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before the Argentines jump on me, there are many things to like about Argentina but CFKC is not one of them.
Perhaps he feels that if he leaves the glens, he will not be allowed back,
May 22nd, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0William Wallis will not be amused,
Is this the same Brazil which was apparently falling over itself to support Argentina's “legitimate” claim to the Falklands?
May 22nd, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is easy for countries to murmer a few words of support regarding The Falklands for their anti-social neighbours Argentina. It costs them nothing and they will never have to act on their words. If you lived next to a nation of excitable people run by a mentally unstable woman, you would probably use some soothing words to keep the peace. However, if the ASBO neighbours started to cost you money and affect your income, you would act.
May 22nd, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34
May 22nd, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But ASBO neighbours in council housing soon bring more of the trash into the area as good people, fearful for their families, move out.
If you are as strong as Brasil it is far better to beat the crap out of the first ASBO family to arrive.
Being essentially cowards and without support they have only two choices left open to them: behave or leave.
In my EXPERIENCE this works fine.
So a trade spat is equal to “country B does not support country A in ANYTHING”.
May 22nd, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Man, its clear you Brits can't walk and chew gum at the same time then.
No wonder you people take offense so easily. Clearly evinced by how you reacted to the financial tax. The UK took that not just as a spat with the rest of the EU, but as an attack on the country.
Suggestion: learn to walk and chew gum. One disagreement in one area does not equal disagreement in everything.
Now we know why divorce rates are so high, incidentally...
I feel smart today, all kinds of perspicacious and astute observations.
36. Only dumb people ever feel smart.
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only people that feel dumb feel the need to tell others they are dumb.
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 036 Truth_Telling_Troll
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Might I suggest that you learn to write posts that actually makes some sort of sense.......
and by the way, what has “learning to walk and chew gum” got to do with divorce rates???
Your problem is that you think you are smart because you are surrounded by country full of really really stupid people.
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Man, its clear you Brits can't walk and chew gum at the same time then
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whilst walking on one leg, witeling dixie,
yep, only the british .
@39, 40
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I rest my case.
me too
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahaha, the best you could do is crass personal insults and derogatory statements about the people of an entire country in the last couple of responses, and that to you qualifies as intelligent, cogent, confuting debate.
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:(
You have told me to my face that Americans take weekend trips to London, Paris and Rome and that is average.
You have told me everyone in the USA has full access to healthcare.
You think I believe it.
:(
42 Truth_Telling_Troll
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I get it now!! You write a post that is complete rubbish and so devoid of any clear thought, that only you in your own twisted little world can make sense of and that it some way makes you thing that you are smart....... wow, I mean like, wow!!!
@15 You have a very poor attitude. Why would anyone ask the French, German, Spanish or Italians about Britain? All countries Britain has beaten when they forgot their place. France - ever since Philip II. Germany - not too bad until Kaiser Wilhelm. Spain - pretty much no-hopers since the Eighty Years' War (1566-1648). Italy - War of the Third Coalition (1803-1805). Why not try the Netherlands, Portugal or Greece?
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26 Are you kidding? You're referring to “the only problems CFKC deals with, she has no ability to plan or think long-term.” as psychoanalysis? Which zoo bred you? Or was it an alien biological warfare laboratory? How nice that CFK and her dead old man has dealt with every crisis. Whilst creating more! 30% inflation. Lack of energy resources in production. Lack of money now she's spent the pension funds. Lack of imports now it's too expensive and too restrictive. Lack of exports now it's too expensive and too restrictive. Just as a matter of interest - when considering how much money is going to be needed to get YPF operating again, where's she going to steal the money for that?
@36 What a sad git you are! A “trade spat” is your description of country B refusing automatic import licences for perishable goods from country A? As a response to country A keeping country B's goods stuck in import controls for weeks or months? By the time the importers in country A finally get the “goods” they'll be able pour them out of the containers. Keep it up, argieland, you have the brains of a Trolling TiT. Oh, excuse me. “Only people that feel dumb feel the need to tell others they are dumb.” On the other hand, dumb things need to be told that they're dumb in an attempt to get them to stop wasting the time of intelligent people. T_T_T is obviously a TiTiT. And has a deep and enduring need for a pre-frontal lobotomy. A simple piece of surgery not requiring anasthesia as bone can't feel. And TiTiT is obviously a bonehead.
@45
May 22nd, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just because I don't understand String theory fully (or mostly), does not mean it is rubbish.
The chew gum and walk applies to this case because in the first 30 responses the brits were naively gloating about how trade spats in South America prove the countries hate each other, will go to war and kill themselves off.
That maybe be the track record in the UK and Europe as 2000 years of history prove beyond any shred of doubt, but not everyone in the world is so short fused.
If a couple fights over which movie to watch, it does not mean the relationship is doomed. I guess in the UK and Europe it does... no wonder you guys write so many “self-help” books, specially on relationships (does my comment on the divorce rate... it seems in your society disagreeing about one thing with another means you must automatically disagree with everything).
Weird folk.
@47
May 22nd, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Search your feeling tobias.
Inconsistent you have become.
@ 48 Yoda
May 22nd, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now I see.
I have provided String theory as an example of something that is complex and difficult to understand.
I have also implied that Europeans are simple minded by my reference to “can’t chew gum and walk”.
The glaring inconsistency in my argument is that string theory was conceived by Europeans and its greatest proponent today is Steven Hawkins, thereby nullifying my own argument that Europeans are simple minded.
If I were challenged on this point I would make the weak case that Juan Maldacena (a significant contributor to string theory) was Argentine, but I know I would be clutching at straws and all his important work was done in the US anyway and now he has take US nationality.
In the spirit of debate I will fall upon my own sword.
Thank you Yoda, may the force be with you.
The fact that everyone is using personal attacks against me, and those that aren't are impersonating me (see above), is all the proof needed in regards to how much of a threat I am perceived as being.
May 22nd, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any doubt the above troll is none other than Greekyoghurt, otherwise why make a surreptitious foist of the name Stephen Hawking, in order to not leave any chance to engange in cheap nationalism to soothe his tendered patriotic self-confidence.
@50
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Impersonate yourself you do.
One minute tobias, the next TTT.
Discussion was about chips and light-hearted it was.
At 15 you enter talking about death, trenches and hate.
Nothing of value have you to add.
Threat you are not, troll you are.
@50 Hang on a minute tobias, you used your TTT username to call me a racist and sexist the over day, then used your Tobias account to apologies for it. Thereby confirming you and TTT are one and the same. Now your trying to excuse yourselve of the comments you made using your TTT username here, by trying to make people think it was Greekyoghurt. When it is clear from the spat me and you had the other day and the following apology from you under your tobias name, that it is not Greekyogurt or anyone else impersonating you, but only yourselve.
May 23rd, 2012 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry mate, but no wonder people here have no respect for you, as you clearly haven't earnt it and have obivously shown your nothing but a Troll.
As for the Financial tax in europe, the UK was against it as the financial system in the UK amounts to 75% of the EU financial market, therefore it would have been damaging to our economy and financial markets, germany and france were simply trying to avoid having to pay their fair share and tried use the UK's financial markets as a tool for paying the eurozone debts off. Now as we the UK are not in the Eurozone, why the hell should we pay off the Eurozone debts when france and germany can be bothered to unzip their purse strings to pay towards the Eurozone debt themselves, expecially when it would have a long term and lasting damaging effect on the UK economy and financial market and would everntually have led to all financial transaction in the EU, whether its was bank transaction for paying for groceries having that finanical tax applied on top of VAT - It was a stealth tax thought up by germany and france to rob us brits in order so they could pay their own debts and then expand the tax to all other financial transaction to make them even more money, for their precious EU and Eurozone, at the UK's expense. It would have weekend the UK and we knew that so we vetoed it. Its obivious to most brits Germany simply what to be rulers of europe, something they failed to do in WW2.
@53
May 23rd, 2012 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry, I have even less respect for all of you. Matchless hypocrites the lot of you.
You can believe what you want to believe. I did say the comments you attribute to me, but there are one (or more) people that impersonate me, as cowards have no other way of doing things. The comments you read in that thread (after the one I do admit make at you), were not mine.
I really didn't want to take the issue too seriously, but at this point I have no choice, since the people that are impersonating me are obviously trying to purposefully cause confusion and undoubtedly will continue to do to “smear me” (how sad people online take this so seriously hahaha).
I will now formally contact Mercopress and inform them of the situation, I will point out all the threads were people have impersonate me. They will easily be able to verify this through internet adresses, and I will pursue formal charges against those involved.
It's big time now. :)
“No wonder you people take offense so easily”
May 23rd, 2012 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who is taking offense easily now.
You use one name to write posts and one to offend.
With TTT you call teaboy a racist and a sexist, then when someone pokes fun at your flawed logic and duplicity, indignant you are.
...hate hypocrites you do.
You are an arrant liar. I did not call him a racist or a liar, and if you had any dignity (if you took my comments as an actual accusation when I said they were not, they merely were an example), then you would go right now to the gay marriage article and denounce the commentary of those on your side towards argies.
May 23rd, 2012 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know you won't because you have no shred of honor.
#29 Know I won't mee her you do? See the future you can?!
May 23rd, 2012 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0how do you not know, that those who impersonate you are not argie bloggers ,,
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the brits cant be everywhere you know,
Tobias
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know I have treated you with respect and I admire your use of English, though I have to say elitism, whether intended or not can be counter-productive.
People who have a median education can feel threatened or inadequate by the use of 'big' words. Best keep them for more formal situations when like minded persons are present.
However, you bring most of the trouble down on yourself when you lose your temper. When I was young I had a similar problem and had to make a real effort to overcome it (my wife says it only took 40 years :o) ).
Please think on what I have advised.
Yes
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We remember 1876 surrounded by Zulus, and shouting elevated complicated oxford style posh words,
until you realise two things
1, they not understand you
2, we have a very good imagination
Do you get that.
3, never take things seriously .there is always another alternative,[British perhaps ]
56 British Kirchnerist said
May 25th, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0#29 Know I won't mee her you do? See the future you can?!
If I was Old Turkey Neck I'd get a restraining order against you pronto.
Are you sure you're British?
Yes I'm British and no I don't think that would be necessary; Elaine is probably right I won't meet her, and certainly not in that way, I was just poking fun at her certainty
May 25th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bad news for the English.
May 25th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You all know that the despicable Scott wants to remain in the Union and I have always made the point ONLY because he would lose the English subsidies.
Seems that 57% of the rest of the Scottish hangers on agree with me:
“An opinion poll published by Alistair Darling, the former Chancellor, showed only 33 per cent of voters in Scotland want independence and 57 per cent are opposed.” Daily Telegraph.
WHAT we really need is a referendum in ENGLAND about getting shut of these parasites.
Clever Scots =) But the idea its only for benefits is laughable, in fact one of my main objections to the SNP is their selfish policy of “its Scotland's oil” which the British are now encouraging the Falkland Islanders to emulate!
May 25th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@BK
May 25th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good point on the oil.
You know that I have said on a couple of occasions that your views on SAmerica are distorted by never having lived here, well that is certainly true, but you are on home turf now.
CHIPS! .. and that just about sums up the economy of Argentina.
May 26th, 2012 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0# 61 British_Kirchnerist anyone who wonders in to blighty can call themselves British, To be English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish you have to be born there, and you, at a guess........ Pakistan.......
May 26th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“and you, at a guess........ Pakistan.......”
May 26th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Charlie Chaplin said when falsely called a Jew, thats not an honour I can claim! =)
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