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Ambassador Castro embroiled in controversy over Falklands and “possible constitutional reform”
Argentine ambassador in UK Alicia Castro rejects having mentioned during a conference in London the “possibility of a constitutional reform” to incorporate the results in the event of a sovereignty negotiation over the disputed Falklands/Malvinas Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt appears that someone in the Argie diplomatic corp needs to acquire a PhD in Arse-Elbow differentiation.
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0““after all London rejected any discussions on the issue with Argentina before 1994”” That's like saying yes I know you're moaning because i kicked you in the nuts, but you were moaning when I punched you yesterday so this moaning is irrelevant.
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0This woman's a moron.
I'd add that she goes on about unique opportunities to have peace, but Argentina's shown no sign of being peaceful around the islands and could easily just walk away gracefully if they want peace so much but, no, let's just drag this out forever. Jeez...
“The recovery of those territories.” To recover, you have had to have had possession, which if the history is looked at technically, the Argentines have never had, unless they are talking about territories other than the Falkland Islands. If she was as bad a trolley dolly as she is an 'ambassador, ' I don't think the safety announcements would be good, ”Can I alert you to the emergency exits which are (stunned silence) errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr?”
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0They want to negotiate, but negotiate involves some sort of balance i.e. one thing inexchange for another.. So, what would the islanders or even the UK get out of any negotiations? Argentina says it will accept nothing but the complete sovereignty of the islands, so what are they offering in return? If they want us to take them seriously, they should stop sending these clowns like Castro, especially when Jerry Cottle's Circus is so in need of new performers.
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The woman is an embarrassment.
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the UK is so 'illegal', take them to the ICJ then.
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh wait . . . . .
The Argies just don't get it.They are having a one sided conversation with themselves ;listened to in theory by a few of their theoretical friends in Latin America.
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Their is nothing the British /Falklanders need or want from them apart from some peace and quiet.The threat of being excluded from Latin America is an empty one and reminds me of the antics of schoolboys 'my dad is bigger than your dad '.
When is Argentina going to grow up and get on with its life.
Hague must be pissing himself
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 I am sure there is much mirth amongst the Dip Corp whenever Argentina sends out yet another moron to represent their country. Maybe it is all part of a wider plan to gain sympathy; 'we have to make allowances for the special needs country of Argentina'.
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wish the article was written more coherently - I'm not sure I fully understand it!!
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it true they once sent their airborne troops to the Paralympics, misunderstanding the name of the games?
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain invades a sovereign country disregarding the international community and moans when an embassador doesn't follow diplomatic procedures. EU put heavy taxes on products from the “3rd world” in order to protect their own production and moans about Argentina being protectionist. You people are arrogant, and belong to a world in the past. I think austerity will be good for you, to teach you to be humans again.
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina does not recognize the inhabitants of the Malvinas Islands, British citizens, as a third party in the negotiations”
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0As long as that's your attitude then you'll never get anywhere....of course in reality you don't want to get anywhere on your spurious claim, if you did you douldn't have something for your government to use as a distraction from the shit job they're doing.
@12
you're in no position to criticise the British, put your own house in order you useless Argie.
@3 Pete
May 23rd, 2012 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0About the other territories that they've never had, would this be their claim on the Maldives (or was it Madagasgar or Malaysia)? I think it might mean their delusion that the South Sandwich Islands are theirs as well (or they're going to start claiming Alta California again).
Seriously though, madam ambassador has managed to bemuse both her host country and now offend the country that she is representing. I think she's wasted as an ambassador, she'd go down a treat on the stand-up circuit.
@ 5 Elaine and others. Its fantastic that she's an embarrassment, for the RG dipolomatic corps and also CFK's regime. Bring it on; the more crap the better. If she's needing a spade we can send her one (and pay for the delivery).
May 23rd, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Barak Obama were to claim to be King of Argentina, would the government of Argentina negotiate the dispute with him? Of course not, because any claim to be King of Argentina would be as baseless as Argentina's claim to the Falklands. Argentina and Britain already settled this dispute with the Arena-Southern Treaty, signed in 1849 and ratified in 1850. Now Argentina has no basis in international law to make any claim against the Falklands.
May 23rd, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even if Argentina and Britain hadn't settled the dispute 162 years ago, the ancient history would be irrelevant because the Falkland Islanders have the right to decide their own political future. For the time being, the Falkland Islanders want to remain British. If they change their mind in the future, that will be their right.
@ 10- Me too- another 5 minutes of my life I will never get back again!!!
May 23rd, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Honestly, I can't work out who is more barking- KFC, Timerman or Castro. They would be excellent characters for anew Fawlty Towers sitcom.
They want to 'negotiate' but they already have the outcome in the their constitution.
They want to 'negotiate' but they won't talk to the islanders.
They respect the islanders but they expect them all to speak Spanish and drive on the right.
They nationalise a foreign oil company and wonder why companies are not willing to invest in Argentina.
They're all mad as a box of frogs!!
@16 Excellent analogy, though slightly less ridiculous than Argentina's claim to the Falklands.
May 23rd, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@17 You've pretty much summed up the Argentine position in four lines. Sean Penn may call our position ludicrous, but I don't think that anything could possibly be as ludicrous as what Argentina are suggesting
@12 Guzz - firstly can you clarify what you mean with “Britain invades a sovereign country disregarding the international community”
May 23rd, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0As people have said here, the Argentine Gov talks about negotiation but cannot do this because they are ignore the people who live on the Islands and their constitution demands complete sovereignty. Negotiation is intended to aim at compromise so how could this happen even if the Islanders wanted this to happen.
The Argentine Gov should not of added that 1994 entry if they truely wanted dialogue (that word again!!!)
The constitutional claim has done argentina more harm than good. Argentina has only existed for around 200 years and in the 1st 184 years had no mention of the Falklands in its constitution and from 1850 to 1941 never even gave the place a second thought in any kind of message to the people or governmental gazette. Even the very first book of Argentina history and politics by Senor Don Ignacio Nuñez(1825,available from google ebooks) did not even mention the Falklands Malvinas.
May 23rd, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still Castro, just like her Mistress, is the argentine 'Calamity Jane'.. apologies to Doris.
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May 23rd, 2012 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Un said no to an invasion of Iraq due to baseless accusations (that turned out to be straight out lies), and Britain, together with their master and a few other lapdogs, decided to declare a piracy war on the sovereign nation. Dislike Saddam all you want, let the international community decide if he is to be taken out by force. If you aren't prepared to do that, just shut up about other countries following diplomatic procedures or not...
As the embassador says, claims are no excuse not to negotiate. You want Argentina to give up on the issue before you even start talkiong about it, don't be silly, you're only fooling yourselves...
Here we go again, swings and round-abouts, whenever we say something to disprove them, RG's have to go and pull Iraq out of there poop tube.
May 23rd, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain, together with their master and a few other lapdogs, decided to declare a piracy war on the sovereign nation.”
“Hello Pot, this is Kettle Calling, give colour status, Over”
So, your timeline up until 1881, and even in 1982, was never an attempt to expand your borders was it?
Piss and wind yet again, do yourself a favour, get a job, earn some money (if possible given the what now 30% inflation) and move out of the toilet before someone flushes it.
21: all of Argentina's wars have been illegal so better keep your opinions to yourself. Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with the Falklands issue either so God knows why you're even mentioning it, never mind throwing the word “piracy” around again as if you even know what it means.
May 23rd, 2012 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz
May 23rd, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0You claim to be Uruguaian. I would like to negotiate with you.
I would like Montevideo. I would like all inhabitants to move out. I would like the speaking of Spanish to be made illegal. I would like a 200 mile exclusion zone around Montevideo where all minerals and resources are mine. I would also like 250 Uruguaians to be slaughtered so that I can set up shrines derespecting their memory.
I have no historical, legal or moral claim on Montevideo..I just want it.
When can we start negotiating?
Silence is key..........
May 23rd, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Monkeymagic
May 23rd, 2012 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0One of you guys claimed the moon few weeks ago, you may claim all you want, present your claims and why you believe you are correct in them for the UN, not for me...
The UN will suggest we discuss them in a peaceful way, but never actually formulate a meaningful arbitration..so lets negotiate.
May 23rd, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am happy not to take all of montevideo...perhaps just a cash equivalent paid into a swiss bank account..
You see, i am prepared to negotiate and you are not..typical colonialist arrogance from you.
Ambassador Castro-
May 23rd, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0“open dialogue & sit to negotiate, which is what the whole international community is demanding”
horse manure!
the international community couldn't give a rat's arse about Argentina.
Neither do we!
The lnternational community aren't “demanding” anything.
What a liar!
“Demanding” is a favourite Argentine word, like “lnsist” which is another.
Anyway, Castromuppert, we don't have to “negotiate” anything & we certainly don't have to “sit” to do anything.
l'll tell you, standing up:-
You don't own our land & NEVER have.
We don't want anything to do with you, so get lost!
Guzz, you accuse the British and the EU of living in the past. This is quite an ironic statement seeing as Argentina seems obssesed with 1833.
May 23rd, 2012 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Monkeymagic
May 23rd, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me take the discussion down to your level in order for you to comprehend what I'm saying... I (Guzz) am not the one to discuss your claims with. If you want the moon, for me, you can have it. If you want Montevideo (or part of it) take it up with the UN or speak with Pepe Mujica... If you want a cookie and a hug, I can arrange it for you.
Guzz
May 23rd, 2012 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, you want it down at your level.
I want your house (if you have one), your car (if you have one) and your entire life savings (if you have any) oh and any future earnings too. I also want to kill a member of your family and continually disrespect their memory.
I have it written in “personal constitution” that this is my right and believe you are arrogant for not wanting to discuss...lets negotiate.
Here, have a cookie, I don't really want to spent time on your idiocy, read a book :)
May 23rd, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 031: I, Boovis, hope for a peaceful solution to this dispute. You may now go away and say I'm “demanding Guzz talks to you” despite me only hoping for a peaceful solution.
May 23rd, 2012 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The woman's quite mental and out of control. Argentine presidential material surely.
May 23rd, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does she have a dead husband to suck sympathy votes from retarded voters? She might struggle otherwise, they love that, them Argies.
May 23rd, 2012 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Ms Castro concludes saying that Argentina and the UK have the historic opportunity to give an example to the world by resolving the conflict through peaceful and diplomatic means, and above all the responsibility of not leaving the conflict and its dangers, unresolved for future generations”. I particularly like the implied threat, warning of “conflict” and “dangers”. If we talked like that, KFC, Timmerman etc. would wet themselves and go crying to the UN.
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct it is idiocy, exactly the same idiocy as the Argentine claim. I am glad you see it as such. Sadly, mine was deliberate..theirs is not.
Make up something that is clearly not yours to an idiotic extreme and then claim that the true owner is arrogant for not negotiating...idiocy
36: What conflict does she think there'll be? The UK isn't going to attack Argentina, so the only threat would be Argentina attacking the Falklands, so she's basically threatening invasion...?
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 032 Guzz (#)
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 23rd, 2012 - 11:48 am
Your answer to Monkeymagic is exactly the same as UK's to Argentina over the Falklands “negotiation.”
And you failing to notice the slight difference is the problem...
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 040: No, Guzz, the point is the same, Argentina are trying to negotiate over something that they only want one outcome of. It's not negotiations if you're not wanting to actually negotiate anything.
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, Boovis, a moron claiming the moon and a piece of a sovereign nations capital is not the same as two nations claiming the same territory. If you fail to see that, you are as big a moron as the monkey trying to produce magic arguments...
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK doesn't claim the Falklands, they're already ours :D
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only in your head...
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not very bright are you?
There is no eventuality where the Falkland islands will end up being Argentine sovereign territory.
The Argentines have one card to play, that colonialism is bad. Although the hypocrisy and irony of that statement is lost on them, its an easy card to play for cheap political point scoring.
The logical end scenario of that discussion is that the F alklands become independant. A compromise that none of the three parties involved want.
an independant Falkland islands would operate in much the same way as it does today, using its new found oil wealth to pay for its defence. A novel approach..but from the outside identical to today.
There is no scenario that makes them Argentine sovereign territory against their will...
That's British logic, and as the whole world knows after 9/11, British logic is flawed, you guys can be made to believe anything, even kill women and children in your convictions... We choose to disregard your “logic”, it's worthless, arrogant and double moralistic.
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strangely, the UN rejects Argie logic, hence they don't make any major effort to help them in their “plight” apart from offering a couple of office rooms to chat to themselves in.
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another argie political foolish brain dead indoctrinated grasper,
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And of course and as expected her loyal deluded followers will follow her every word,
Is this what poodles do, then attack and nash at others who laugh,
Hey we expect nothing less, we know you indocronoughts are only following your indoctrinations,
So don’t cry, we never do take you lot seriously,
Ha ha .
p/s
yes its all our fault lol.
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Castro statement could be a tactic where Castro is voicing position that CFK wants out in the open in order to see what the British say, and then depending on how British react, CFK either denies the Castro statement or seeks to build on it by trying to trap the British side into a position that might prejudice the Falkland Islanders right to self-determination.
May 23rd, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This game-playing CFK strategy might include “relaxing” the constitutional requirement for complete Argentine sovereignty over the Falklands enough so that the ball goes back into the British side of the court – with expectation that they’ll “serve up” the Falkland Islands sovereignty to a greater extent and without consent of Falkland Islanders.
Propose-deny-repropose-redeny...planned for consumption by Argentine voters and their always- sympathetic “tercermundista” crew.
“Malvinas: ofrecen cambiar la Constitución”:
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1474536-malvinas-ofrecen-cambiar-la-constitucion
“Carta a LA NACION de la embajadora Alicia Castro”:
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1474536-malvinas-ofrecen-cambiar-la-constitucion
When I read drivel like this carrot-topped floosey speaks I cannot help but laugh myself to bits.
May 23rd, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is even funnier because she doesn't know how stupid she is.
KFC, Hysterical Hector and Castro do create a triumvirate of classic comedy.
May 23rd, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz
May 23rd, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For 200 years the Falkland Islands was wide open for immigration, as was South America. Lots of different people came to live here, including some South American/Hispanics but the new population was primarily British. Conequently a British culture dominate the scene.
If Argentina (once it came into being) wanted the Falklands so badly for all those years, why didn't you people simply come and live here? You could have bought farms, started businesss, got jobs ec. If enough of you had come you would eventually have dominated the culture and we would all be speaking Spanish, as are the British immigrants in Argentina.
The answer is that you didn't want to. It wasn't important to you and you weren't interested. There is nothing wrong with that. You can't blame the British Government/Military or whatever for shutting you out. Plenty of South Americans have made the Falklands their home and integrated with the British community. You could have come in droves but you, and only you, chose not to.
What is wrong is that Argentina now has changed its mind just when it thinks there is material gain to be had. You bully, threaten, invade. But don't you see that you had your chance and now it is too late?
52 honoria (#)
May 23rd, 2012 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 23rd, 2012 - 02:02 pm
I believe that Kretina would have a heart attack if you Islanders suddenly said “WE WANT TO BE ARGENTINES.” What would she do for smoke and mirrors?
@Monkeymagic
May 23rd, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You make an excellent point and use a nice clear analogy that even a 5 year old could understand. However you are wasting it on the likes of Guzz. They have no intention of understanding or respecting your argument, that is not why they are here.
From this side of the Andes, like from most places in the world it is perfectly clear.
They will always go off on an evil USA/UK/NATO track.
I always find it interesting that conspiracies only exist when they are supposedly American (USA) made: 9/11 was the CIA, no one ever went to the moon, bla bla. The same people who say the Iraq war was illegal never seem to join the dots between the French veto, which made the war technically illegal, and the French contracts on Iraqi oil.
According to them the first gulf war was legal because the UN backed it. The second was illegal because the French vetoed it. Hum.
They also give far too much credit to the likes of the CIA. Look at their track record, they are often incompetent. They couldn’t even manage a coup in Chile in ’73. Their man down here messed up and left the road open to Pinochet. Yet they are somehow capable of managing 9/11 surely requiring 1000s of people to be kept silent in a country renowned for its whistle blowing culture. The president can’t even have a bit of fun with an intern without being dragged over the coals. Please.
Apparently the hoax moon landing theories only began to appear after the release of the movie Capricorn One. That's about the level of intelligence that goes into them.
May 23rd, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Condorito
May 23rd, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could you sum up a Chilean's typical impression of an Argentine and Argentine culture and what do Argentines think of Chileans?
@21 I was interested to learn which sovereign country Britain had invaded and disregarded the international community. Now that you've made that clear, perhaps you could point us all at the UN Security Council resolution telling the U.S.A., the U.K., Australia, Poland, South Korea, Italy, Georgia, Ukraine, Netherlands, Spain and 30 others not to go ahead with their intended course of action? Perhaps you could follow that with comments on the 1982 argie invasion of the Falkland Islands and other British territories? And could you combine that with comments on the appropriateness, for argieland, of including a claim to the Falkland Islands in its constitution, in the light of apparently not needing such a “provision” for the preceding 184 years?
May 23rd, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26 Guzz
May 23rd, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was my moon comment. If you are going to quote it, please quote me right.
In response to a posting that Spain left a plaque on the islands, thus being the first to claim sovereignty, which Argetina then caimed by inheritence. I said, the Americans left a plaque on the moon and that the next time you look up at it, by this anology, you would be looking at the 53rd state of the United States of America.
Does that sound like I made a claim to the moon?
@Tobers
May 23rd, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Without going in to too much depth.
Here is what my namesake “Condorito” thinks:
http://www.condorito.cl/cortisona.htm
Pepe Cortisona is the steriotypical Argie.
The UK is not simply facing a claim [on the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the Sandwich Islands] by the executive branch of the Argentine government, nor even a mere peice of legislation. The UK is in fact facing a constitutional commitment undertaken by the Argentine government which makes it unconstitutional for any member of any Argentine government to compromise or aquiece on the matter of sovereignty [over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the Sandwich Islands].
May 23rd, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory. The recovery of these territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respecting the way of life for its inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, constitute a permanent and unwavering goal of the Argentine people.”
Note the term 'permanent and unwavering'. Any Argentine official actually negotiating (rather than merely demanding; which may explain the Argentine political class' love of that word) on the matter of sovereignty is, in effect, committing treason, or at the very least acting unconstitutionally (not sure if there is a destinction here to be honest).
Argentina can waffle on all it likes about not recognising the Falkland Islanders as a third party, but they are recognised as such by the UK and the UN. Until Argentina grows up, realises it just might not get its own way on this one, and recognises the Falkland Islanders right to partake in any arbitration, I see little reason for the UK to recognise Argentina as a third party in this matter also.
P.S. No, the international community (by which I presume you mean the UNGA and the C24) has not demanded that Britain attend negatiations. They've requested. Neither the UNGA nor the C24 have the mandate to demand anything. Their resolutions are advisory.
It always amuses me that they throw in South Georgia and the SSIs too. Why not Saint Helena and Ascension?
May 23rd, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49 I honestly don't think Castro is that intelligent. I saw her interviewed on Sky News a couple of weeks back and she was completely out of her depth and constantly referred to a crib sheet. She did not even think to prep for the interview. The only time she looked on safe ground was trying to sell Argentina as a holiday destination.
May 23rd, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@61 Idlehands
May 23rd, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought you knew, Spanish ships once stopped on these islands and held a barbie!!! They left sausage wrappers, beefburger wrappers and empty bottles of San Miguel behind. They are simply inheriting the right from Spain, to hold barbies on these islands. It's a well known precedence, enshrined in International Law.
62 ElaineB
May 23rd, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The only time she looked on safe ground was trying to sell Argentina as a holiday destination.”
Well, I bet the despicable Scott would go in a flash it it didn't mean losing all his 'benefits. Shame really.
Cannot imagine anyone in their right mind going by choice other than for business and what a minefield that must be for you.
62. I would think finding bombs in theaters and an imminent economic collapse will put a damper on any tourism.
May 23rd, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember in 2001-2002 the hotels/restaurant/clubs were pretty vacant RGs were pretty glad to see me and my U$! I think the next collapse will be even worse than the last and much longer in duration.
65 yankeeboy (#)
May 23rd, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 23rd, 2012 - 03:20 pm
Ihope your wrong, but I'm afraid you're probably right.
I am worried about Ambassador Castro.
May 23rd, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am worried they might replace her.
66. It is pretty easy to see where all of this is going...
May 23rd, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A few cold weeks in a row and it will all come undone....
@64 & 65 Yeah, she didn't mention that British tourists could go and watch their flag being burnt outside the embassy, or that they could witness numerous strikes and protests in the city (if they could get there from the airport) and join the homeless in the parks or be pestered by begging children in restaurants. I don't go there as a tourist but most people don't want to experience that on their holidays.
May 23rd, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 065 yankeeboy Fred from DC “I would think finding bombs in theaters and an imminent economic collapse will put a damper on any tourism”
May 23rd, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Fred, he can't read his own language...
“Federal Police sources revealed that the bomb “was likely to have been” little more than a firecracker”
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/101620/uribe-arrives-at-gran-rex-theater-after-bomb-threat
70 Marcos Alejandro (#)
May 23rd, 2012 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 23rd, 2012 - 03:48 pm
I don't think that the fact that it “was likely to have been little more than a firecracker” changes the threat at all. The mere fact that these criminals can get away with putting bombs in public places is enough to scare off tourists.
@61 Idlehands
May 23rd, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Note how that haven't even attempted to concoct their own latinised names for South Georgia (Georgias del Sur Islands) and the Sandwich (Sandwich del Sur Islands). Given how recently these islands were discovered (early 20th century?) and the lack of a permanent settlement on either (British or Argentine) their clearly British names only serve to highlight how rediculous the Argentine claims are. How the hell are these Islands integral parts of Argentina - who neither discovered them, nor settled them. I don't really see much basis for any land claim sans permanent civilian settlement, the Argentine claim on those Islands is weak as hell!
72 anubeon (#)
May 23rd, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 23rd, 2012 - 04:29 pm
The Argentine claim to the South Georgias and South Sandwich Islands is as weak as her claim to the Falklands. All these claims are a fairy tale invented by Juan Domingo Perón in 1941 when he thought the British were going to lose the WWII. Look at the history of the Falklands, between 1850 (signing of the Treaty of Perfect Friendsip) and 1941 NOT A SINGLE CLAIM for the Falkland Islands.
I repeat, the claims to the various South Atlantic islands are a fairy tale invented by Perón and used to brainwash 2 to 3 generations of Argentines and as smoke and mirrors for the Government of the day.
70. Marcos or Think whichever alias he is using now thinks small bombs don't bother anyone....
May 23rd, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A while back there were bombs being placed at ATMs and around various buildings in BA. US State made it a travel advisory and Nestor freaked out. I think his response was “ it was only a few” and only a couple people got hurt!.
hahaha
74 yankeeboy Fred from DC, You must be talking about you about changing your alias. Did you grow some hair?
May 23rd, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A firecracker is a firecracker, a bomb can blow a whole building like the Oklahoma Federal building, remember Mr McVeigh?
@72 I hope you won't mind me pointing out that it is actually the SOUTH Sandwich Islands. The reason being that the Sandwich Islands was the name given by James Cook to what are now called the Hawaiian Islands in a different ocean. Notably, Britain claimed sovereignty over South Georgia in 1775. But it waited until 1908 for the South Sandwich Islands, in case some argie troglodytes, tunnelling from the mainland, dug their way out and claimed the Islands. There may, at one point, have been some argie troglodytes, masquerading as argie naval personnel, as a supposedly argie naval station, Corbeta Uruguay, was founded on Thule Island, South Sandwich Islands, in 1976. Clearly an illegal action and a cause for war all by itself. Regrettably for the troglodytes, any potential claim to the Islands was 68 YEARS too late. In December 1982, that base was demolished by the Royal Navy after it was discovered that some COWARDS had taken down the Union Flag from the base flagpole and replaced it with some argie piece of rag.
May 23rd, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's put things in perspective, Argentina & Britain fought a war in 1982....the Brits won & Argentina surrendered. The victor sets the agenda & the loser suffers the consequences so any Argentine claim before this becomes almost irrelavent
May 23rd, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems the consequences for Argentina are to bitch, whine, cry & complain to anyone who'll listen (fortunately very few outside of S. America) instead of taking responsibility for their own actions & admitting their mistakes of the past (& present as well)
@46.... @ 70
'Argentina ..... un pais con buena gente' Don't make me laugh .....
Bomb scares at the Rex, shootings on the 130 bus, carjackings everyday, barra bravas threatening the chairmen & players of Independiente & Racing, Moyano, Barrionuevo, Lescano ............. need I go on ???
I suggest you concentrate on fixing the problems in your own dysfunctional society before you waste more time, money & effort on an issue which most of the world has accepted already i.e. the status quo !!!
Think, or the Jewish Center on Arroyo...yeah both bombs. Do you want either going off in your face? I think not....
May 23rd, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's something about the UN and their resolutions-- FUCK THEM.
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The damn thing is a load of shit that was created to try and get worl peace within 50 odd years of it being created, so it's failed it's objective. It will always fail, because it is impossible to have peace every day in the world, across the whole world.
Also, I think, even though it may seem very delusional, that in maybe 60-70 years time, the UN will probably be virtually non-existent because of increasing tension amongst member countries across the globe due to a lack of resources and a lackluster world economy. What do you think?
78 yankeeboy Fred from DC
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos Alejandro is learning english, “Think” can teach you and every Brit in this site the language.
Did a firecracker burn your hair?
Marcos
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thing is their governments got them shit scared at the word “bomb”, they are programmed to react. You got to be in their pants to understand...
“ON this site.”
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ON this site.”
6/10
Must try harder.
Guzz
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is Fred yankee boy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KshEaEOXfvc&feature=related
That's his tunaway cousin, yanqui himself would shoot his own mother in the knee for conspiracy...
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 081 Guzz
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are wrong and have missed the point.
The 'bomber' broke through the so called security: he could have left a larger bomb, or indeed, planted several devices.
Only when you are in control can you afford the luxury of relaxing a little when it comes to personal security. These guys had no control - the bomber proved that.
And for once the Argies are correct to be shit scared of bombs.
Think, you there? I need you to teach me english. What is a “Tunaway cousin?”
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Diplomacy also needs transparency and accountability”.
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How did CFK become a multimillionaire since she became president?
What about Boudoo and the rest of the corrupt fascist peronists?
I'm sure Argentinean politicians would love transparency and accountability ;)
You fail to realize that argentina doesn't have any enemies who'd blow thing nor themselves up for their cause. The only enemies they have are a bunch of colonialists that don't even represent the country they belong to, and all they do is talk and talk and talk. Therefor there is no fear of bombs, and they certainly haven't reached Britains point where they cry at firecrackers...
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on folks, stop bickering.
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The small bomb was no big deal, could happen anywhere.
Tourism is fine in Argentina (I am quite involved in tourism) and the coming devaluation will boost it further.
The beauty of Argentina is indisputable – I don’t like CFK either, but not even she can take away from the amazing natural beauty of Argentina.
It is almost as stunning as Chile in fact ;)
Theory 1. WAR?
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK knows Britain will not negotiate. So Argentina is trying to play the victim and keep this in the world media, to eventually justify their future invasion to the world. The first step is to to get Latin American countries on board, so when they invade and take the islands. Latin America will see any British attempt to retake them as an invasion of Argentinian territory and fight on their side.
Theory 2. DIVERT PUBLIC ATTENTION
Argentina is in such a financial mess that CFK is using the FI as a tool to divert public attention away from the huge economic mess the country is in. In the vain hope she can cling on to power for a bit longer.
Theory 3. DELUSIONS?
Argentina actually think they have a realistic sovereignty claim! even though history, self determination and international law states they don't.
Which one of my theories to the recent Argentine sabre rattling is nearest to the truth?
@88 Guzz
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since you believe in Argentina's sovereignty claims over the FALKLANDS, you'll believe next, their claims for sovereignty over New Zealand, then Jupiter, then the Sun.
Falkland Island have agreed with Britain on a new constitution to take affect by January 1 /2009 ,replacing the charter adopted in 1985. The new document appoved by Queen Elizabeth 2 formalizes the system of self government on the South Atantic Archipelago while giving Britain the final say on Foreign Policy,Policing and the administration of Justice according to the joint statement.The statement also said that the new constitution clarifies the relationship between the Executive Council and the Islands' Governor ,who is appointed by the English Government in London.It makes clear council members are responsible for most domestic policies,but the Governor retains “” VETO “” power that can be exercised “”in the interests of good governance “” ...Britain still retains responsibility for “” external affairs...defence..internal security administration of Justice “” ...................................!!!!!!!!
May 23rd, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0plus..maybe “” internet security “” .......who knows !!
The real truth gentlemen, is that Argentina under the guise of its empress CFK and her loyal indocronoughts, is trying to change history,
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes history,
Where he who comes first, wins, and he who comes 2nd or 3rd loses,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Now this is the tricky part,
She is trying to overturn this fallacy in history, so that he who loses gets the spoils, and the crown, and the winners gets nothing,
Now to succeed in this stupidity, she has to accomplish 4 impossible truths, and get them overturned,
1, the winner loses, and the losers win,
2, get the rest of south America to believe her claims
3, get the world, via the UN to believe her claims,
4, and lastly, get the argentine people to believe in the imposable,
Now then, according to her government and loyalist, she has succeeded on the first 3,
But having trouble with a few troublemakers in Argentina,
[and the helicopters are ready to fly .
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Well can you do better .lol.
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@89 Argentina is a stunning country, amazing picturesque scenery.
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its just your ... current Govt., your countries claim on the FI and the treatment of the Falkland Islanders that I don't like.
Mate, if you want to claim Jupiter, go ahead, I wont stop you. I could't tell you whom to speak to, but check wuth reality-check, he's about to claim the moon...
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Sun is a bad idea though, could be a little bit hot even for you guys, but that's just my thoughts, you do what you see is necessary.
Small bomb this time maybe big bomb next time who's to say? Wasn't that two bombs in the last month at different locations?
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm sounds like a great place to travel
No heat, riots, bombs and no way to get around and see stuff...
My that sounds restful
hahahaha
yanqui, don't shoot the messenger now, but it's all happening only in your head. If it makes you stay away, then yes, there are bomb riots everywhere, Montevideo is flooded, el Miguelete reaches Cerro Norte, and we got a hung of human meat. Seriously, stay away, we are all damned
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz!!!! So you finally got around to answering post 58. Pathetic effort though. Come on you can do better than that. You failed to mention that I was conspiring with the CIA, MI6, and Mossad in my illegal claim. That I would ethnically cleanse the idiginous moon population, steal all of it's natural resources and encourage militarisation so that the moon settlers do not become blood dependant. Oh and yes, I would most certainly use that most villianous, underhand and dirty of all British tricks and support the moon settlers right to self determination.
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People love me there because I tip in U$. I never exchange into pesos it is a waste of time and I don't want to get stuck with any.
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry winter in Arg or Uruguay is too depressing to go on vacation there its rainy, cold and all the inhabitants are miserable because they have no money to spend.
Plus with no nat gas BA is going to have massive blackouts this winter. I went through one of those when I lived there and it was SCARY!
thank god you are not a member of the tourist board .
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love it how the Brits on here set out with logical explanations of how the islands came to be ours and why they rightfully remain so yet still we receive replies from the RG contingent which resemble a toddler demanding sweets! There is only one thing for it - Britain needs a constitution, something a little more up-to-date than Magna Carta...and of course the rights of the Falkland Islanders should be written into that constitution. A couple of second-class stamps to send a copy each to Ambassador Castro & KFC then, end of..!
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@73 Simon68(#)
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You continues complaints against my country Argentina are worthless... including your complaint for “your lack of sufficient retirement monies”.
That complaint is you fault.
You called me “pretty stupid” a few days ago. I believe you are the stupido who could not make it to secure your retirement years even claiming you speak better “english” than me.
Susana Brown
Guzz always deflecting the question back at the other person, cos he can't handle it.
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 101
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your reality written in comment @ 92 not my opinion ,rest is garrulity.
Oops broke another record today.... P$ 6.10/1U$ but according to Think/Marcos...there is nothing to worry about because they have seen worse.
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does panic set in at 7 or 6.50? Who's can say...
Told you theman, you set the level, if you want to talk about claiming planets and constellations, lets talk about just that, if you want to play insult games, lets do just that. If you amongst all odds are willing to participate in a normal conversation, sharing thoughts without insulting, that can be arranged as well...
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,,, 101 Chatcat,,
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A very good idea,
It may help these indocronoughts to read the real history, instead of argentina fabricated history, but we don’t hold out much hope,
102 SussieUS
Brown does not sound like south American,
But alas,
As simon 68, lives in argentina, and you live in America, would he not have a better idea of things to come .?
104 Max
We know you are very sympathetic to the British cause,
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& 107
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am only crossbench spaceman !
space the final frontier,
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0uss enterprise, or ex HMS Enterprise
Perspective #2
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I lived with an Argentine for a while & when I would comment on the chaos & corruption, noise & pollution, she would say “querido, this is the best it's been for 30 years ..... you should have been here in 2001/2002 when there was real bedlam in the streets”
Kind of puts everything in perspective doesn't it ???
Hello, Guzzle. I see you don't have the guts or nous to respond to simple and polite requests. Clearly indicating your position as an argie bender boy. Let's try this by proxy. Fire a bullet into the empty space between your ears and do the world a favour, loser.
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70 What would argie goons know about “bombs”? Remember that Falklands War you lost, loser? Oooopsie, don't know how to set a fuze! I'd like to say “argies = sh*te for brains!” but argies have so little that they are just “dribblers”. I suppose they might approach “human” in around 20,000 years. Except that brainless turds can't progress.
@79 You have a point. Does this mean we can missile argieland back into the original primeval soup?
@81 Watch the skies!
@88 Keep watching the skies. In the mid 40s, they sounded like put-put-put-put-silence. Isn't payback wonderful?
@92 Hello, Gonzo. Back to the show. How's the big eyes and nose?
@95 But the Sun is a good thing to drop on argieland. And uruguay as well if necessary. But, hey, how can watching the Sun drop on argieland and then bounce over the river and destroy uruguay be totally bad? After all, they both started in Spain and killed loads of innocent people to show how “morally advanced” they were!
@102 Ignorant divot!
@106 The problem is that it's difficult to get down to your level. What exactly is the level of a brain-dead, psychotic, ignorant, bigoted moron?
I miss Axel! I want him to explain to me how making U$ 697 /mo earlier this year and now making U$487 he is actually making more than he did last year, has more to spend and is better off. ( I don't get RG math you see)
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if by the end of the year his teacher's pay will be above U$300 yikes probably not...
Guzz.
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Normal conversation. I refer you back to your post at 95. “But check with reality check, he's about to claim the moon.” If you are going to post such rubbish statements, you should expect the same in return. It is called sarcasm by the way.
hahahaha, that's good ol' conqueror tilting, soon he'll go for his chumbo :) :) :)
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@106 Guzz
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know about averybody here, but you seem to play the insult game with almost everyone commenting on any MercoPress article. You can't call me insulting, because I was just telling the truth. You will believe almost anything if it comes from Argentina about the FALKLANDS. I think most that know who you are would probably agree with me on this point.
Then again, I have not insulted you, Theman, have I? Mayhap when I generalize, but if that is a crime, we are all guilty...
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mayhap is a very seldom used word in US English language, I don't know if they use it in British language though(someone tell me please) .
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only time I have heard/seen it used is in Steven King's The Stand by one of the characters who was supposed to be enlightened but very uneducated ...who in the world taught you that word and why do you use it so often?
Dunno what book, yanqui, but it surely wasn't Steven King... You should have a go at one yourself, other than the Bible (many good books have been written since, some even less questionable).
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 110
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”Bedlam of the streets “” is a recommendable social action which avails of Social System Cholesterol down...like a social remedy !
@114 No guts, Guzzle. Just a SA prick. Could you be a wanker? Not really. Not enough balls. Tell you what, inconsequential butt plugger, (Does it feel good?). Let's get down details. Even with maximum suction, can you get your prick bigger than 5 cms? Do females need a magnifying glass or a microscope to see it? How do you feel about the popular British dish - sliced, chopped, mashed and fried argie balls?
May 23rd, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@117yankeeboy
May 23rd, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not used a lot these days, suppose you could say it is old English, you would most likely hear it being used by legal, academic or theatrical types of people and not in everyday converstaion.
I'm sure your women find your new dish a delight, they never been so stuffed ever :)
May 23rd, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know a few places to everyday conversation which are Facebook/Twitter.!
May 23rd, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0117 yankeeboy
May 23rd, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have never heard of 'mayhap' and frankly, in the context it was used I am unsure what it means.
Is it a contraction for 'may happen'?
I wish people would stop the personal insults against Guzz and others. I'm embarrassed to have people supporting my argument who resort to such low behaviour. There is no need to insult anyone or get personal to win the argument. The facts and international law are on the side of the Falkland Islanders.
May 23rd, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has no case whatsoever in international law to claim the Falklands, having settled the issue by ratifying the Arena-Southern Treaty in 1850. However, Argentina get some play out of the anti-colonialist political argument and will continue to do so as long as the Falkland Islanders have only partial rather than full self-government.
Each of the three constitutional revisions since the Argentine invasion (1985, 1997, and 2009) have transferred power from the British governor to the Falkland Islands Government. If this trend continues, then Argentina will in the future no longer be able to get any sympathy from other South American countries.
@94 Steve-32-uk
May 23rd, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am Chilean by the way, not an Argie.
I was just pointing out that the country is a wonderful place to visit and very safe.
BA has got a lot more dangerous in recent years but not some much that you shouldn’t go there.
Contrary to what you might believe reading comments on this site, most Argies will go out of their way to make a Brit feel welcome.
There is a big difference between a politically motivated rally, burning a flag etc and actually wishing an individual harm.
To all the Brits that have never been to Argentina, you must remember the people are not the government.
@125 mcarling
Quite right.
126 Condorito (#)
May 23rd, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 23rd, 2012 - 10:59 pm
Great post, Condorito. I know we have a lot of civil security problems in Argentina, but not much worse than any other country in the world. I would recomend visitors not to use our surface rail system as that is definetly dangerous, but the long distance busses are out of this world as far as comfort and service are concerned.
There I'm as good as La Castro at selling Argenina as a tourist destination!!!
Guzz, This is the only time in my life I have heard someone say Mayhap:
May 24th, 2012 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Start at 3.00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM34V07v25k
Stephen King The Stand
Again who taught you that word?
124, Yeah it is a contraction of May Happen...
128 Ohhh Fred is learning English, about time you stop using DC ebonics baldy.
May 24th, 2012 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0yanqui
May 24th, 2012 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0What and where you hear stuff mean naught to me, and again I say, I don't remember which book.
It's actually an old english adverb that is made up by “may” and “hap”, not “happen”. “Hap” itself is an old english word. Mayhap means perhaps, perchance. I feel awkward having to educate you in your own language...
@125Mc
May 24th, 2012 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0You were saying!!!
reality check
May 24th, 2012 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yanqui is another loose cannon, he defends the raping of women, murdering of children and sacking of sovereign nations resources with his “might is right”.
He deserves no sympathy, and will be treated accordingly.
Tell you what, as it is tremendously complicated for me to actually remember all in these threads that abuses, insults and speak ill of people in general, I will pretend I haven't read anything of that sort. Except when it comes to 3 persons in here, Conqueror, Yanqui and miss Elaine. Conqueror for threatening people, Yanqui for spreading outright lies and Elaine for being a psychologist wannabe, diagnosing people to left and right.
I too generalize at times, a bad habit that I should stop. And I most surely don't blaim the entire UK for what some people post here.
Between you and me, if you want to talk about stellar constellations, lets do that. But don't expect me to be serious about it, and please don't try to involve logic in past mediocre posts...
@90 Steve-32-uk:
May 24th, 2012 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I believe Theory #2 is much more plausible than the others. Theory #1 is difficult to believe because the Argentine military has ancient weapons, negligible supplies, and little training. They don't even have maps of the minefields they laid all over the Falklands 30 years ago. Theory #3 is also implausible. To believe that Argentina has a case for the Falklands requires believing:
- that the division of the world between Spain and Portugal by (spanish) Pope Alexander VI is valid international law today (even the Vatican says it has no validity in international law today; only Argentina argues otherwise),
- that the 1820 declaration of Argentine sovereignty over the Falklands by the North American pirate David Jewett, without authorization from Buenos Aires and without telling them about it afterwards, in order to capture supplies he needed from a recent French shipwreck, has any effect in international law (the Pirate Code was not binding in international then or today),
- that the three month Argentine military presence in the Falklands at the end of 1832 established title,
- that any rights which might be inheritable from the Spanish-appointed governor in Montevideo would pass to Argentina rather than Uruguay,
- that the Arena-Southern Treaty Argentina signed with Britain in 1849 and ratified in 1850 didn't settle the Falklands issue forever (it clearly did),
- that Argentina's failure to continually protest their claim between 1850 and 1941 didn't cause their claim to lapse (the 2008 decision of the International Court of Justice in the Pedra Branca case (Singapore v Malaysia) makes very clear that failure to protest continuously causes a claim to lapse).
On the other hand, Theory #2 is easy to believe because governments have created mythical external enemies to divert attention from domestic problems and hold onto power throughout history. We see it in ancient (and modern) Greece, ancient (and modern) Rome, ancient (and modern) Persia.
mcarling
May 24th, 2012 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You might be right in some assumptions there, defenitely worth a thought. Especially having in mind (to complete your list), the Jews in the 2nd WW, the Russians during the cold war and the Muslims to this day. Not to mention every socialist, communist and anarchist... Of course I'm talking about “mythical external enemies”...
134. I still would like to know where you are learning “old English” and why you insist on using it?
May 24th, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0BTW you have NEVER pointed out one of my “lies” have you? Unless you can prove them wrong I guess they are the truth.
@135 yankeeboy,
May 24th, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0l always assumed that “mayhap” was an American word that meant “possibly”.
l think(but am not sure)that l heard American Mormon missionaries use the word “mayhap” in S.E.Asia.
The ONLY time I have heard or seen that word is in the movie/book I posted. The English that is taught in BA is British English so I thought maybe it was used in UK.
May 24th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is very strange someone from SA is being taught “old English” I would just like to know where they are learning it and why?
If we're having an English grammar lesson then “blaim” should be “blame”
May 24th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0yanqui
May 24th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing that comes out of you can be backed up by any sources, it's all speculations originating in your head. The few times there is even an indication of that you might possibly be right in the future (mayhap), you automatically use that as an argument that everything you post is right.
Back your information up with sources, where is that FTA between Uruguay/Brazil and USA, for example?
Until then, your information is just a product of your own imagination.
Don't worry about the “old english”, there's nothing to it, I've might have stumbled upon some epic fantasy, who knows...
Idlehands
I thank thee, one should always aim for improvement...
meanwhile back to Alicia Castro ??
May 24th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0139. Nope can't prove it, the FTA negotiations with both Uruguay and Brazil are hush hush right now. Just give it a little time and you will see I am right and you are wrong....as usual.
May 24th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@136
May 24th, 2012 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aha, Guzz is a Mormon. It would explain his use of English, his suspicion of Jews, Muslims, the American establishment and his evangelical belief in fabricated history.
Romney for president!
139. I just find it curious why can't you tell me where you picked up that word? Is it some big secret?
May 24th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ yankeeboy
May 24th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He was auditioning for a part in Pygmalion, back in the days when lead ink didn't hurt anyone.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?c4mn3cd8sb4mc1i
May 24th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A good read for the Trolls
Wait for the spin.... tick tick
yanqui
May 24th, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Last time you guys wanted to know my profession, I told you and I got it thrown back in my neck, in a twisted version. Why do you want to know anything about me? To use it in your mockery? Keep fishing...
I find it even more curious you don't want to or can't explain why you use that word and where you learned it. Mayhap has been out of common use for about 300 yrs it is bizarre to think someone picked it up in a ESL school. Bizarre.
May 24th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In all our disagreements, you got to agree it should be reintroduced... I think I read some old english prosa long time ago, there is a very interesting lack of religion in the old anglo-saxan communities, that might have caught my attention at some point. I can't point at what line in what verse, but I figure it was there i saw it... What difference does it make?
May 24th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am only curious, in my whole life I only remember running across it in book/movie I posted above and it is very odd someone in SA is using it on a daily basis.
May 24th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Language is fluid and must change as people/society changes. It's not like you have people walking around saying “balderdash” any longer.
What is new to you might be history for someone else... Don't ever think language is being invented, merely reinvented... In the streets languange changes at daily basis, while formality has a finer selection in the use of the same language. Something that always should be lost in translation though, are your prejudices, the same word not always share the same content...
May 24th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kind of my point exactly how would someone going to an ESL school learn out of use English words?
May 24th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NOBODY IN URUGUAY is walking around saying Mayhap except you I guess. Plus you don't have access to the old books where it would be found. I had to import all of my books when I lived in BA. The only leisure books in English I could find were trashy dime store novels. I read a lot, many different types and styles of books and again I only remember seeing it 1x.
Just take a look at her picture above..she seems full of hatred!
May 24th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yanqui
May 24th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess Scandinavian education system is a bit more efficiant than the US one then... What are you fishing for? My origins? I've already told you... Let me make it easy for you. The only way to beat you was to equip us with your weapons, and I don't mean firearms by that :) The return has barely started, 500.000 of us out there... Believe me, I'm Uruguayan :)
@107 Briton(#)
May 24th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First of all you should educated yourself reading the internet about the immigrants found in my country.
There are many argentinians with the names of Brown.
My english teacher in my “escuelita” was Rody Williams.
Foreign languages was a must in argentinian schools.
Argentina had immigrants such as spanish, french, italian, german, russian, polish, etc.
Argentina is in South America, my birth place. I reside in the US known as North America.
My preference for men are only for the ones that don't complaint about goverment failures. Private business is the way to make big.
153. I can pretty much guarantee you didn't learn Mayhap in Scandinavia either. I have been there many times too and their English isn't as good as a native speaker.
May 24th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also the USA is not in any wars with SA and if we were you would know it.
You are an odd duck, very insecure with your employment, nationality, education, you obviously have a talent for language and are smarter than the avg SA. so isn't that enough for you? Why do try to be so pompous? It makes you look very foolish.
“Jackanapes.” My favourite, methinks.
May 24th, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
May 24th, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shit, I know who you are now!
May 24th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your Anthony Hopkins.
I hope you are not a diabetic living in BA, the newest casualty to import restrictions. How many people do you think will die to keep the RG economy afloat and CFK in power?
May 24th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know who that other Guzz is, all I know is that even if names can be copied, it's harder to copy wits...
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May 24th, 2012 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is surreal, and so are your tactics :)
May 24th, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excuse this random post, but Argie posters keep mentioning how bad it was that the UK attacked Iraq right? I seem to remember that in the 1980's Sadam Hussein and the Argentines were due to co-develop a missile called the Condor. I'm not suprised the Argies sympathise with Sadam. Like the preferred style of Argentine leader, he was a colonialist dictator like KFC aims to be.
May 24th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Guzz
May 24th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surreal indeed, work of the subconscious. Rest you must.
@Pete Bog
Quite right you are.
DanyBerger to this secret missile alludes in post @53 here:
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/05/22/minister-browne-and-gibraltar-s-bossano-will-attend-falklands-liberation-day-june-14?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=aviso_comentarios#comments
He revealed these secrets under Jedi mind control.
@132 Please get your facts right. “Conqueror for threatening people”. I don't recall threatening any people. I may have made certain promises to certain argies. Notice that? No “threats”. “Promises”. No “people”. “Argies”. What's your problem? Don't like the truth?
May 24th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@146 You have a “profession”? Catamite?
@154 And Sussie is a pro? Why have we got all these sexual “performers” on here? Time to get back to the good old days and chop off those things that offend us. 146 - anything that protrudes. Hurry up - chop, chop. @154 Don't be unhappy. Putting out for money is good. You serve a useful purpose. Knowing where the STDs are is useful. Saves giving them to proper people (i.e. not argies). Keep it up. (Are you a trannie, or would you like to be?) No worries. The “government” will eliminate you (and take your apartment) when you have served your purpose. Keep on shagging. You can't fool us. Private business. Yeah, right! As a matter of interest, has anyone come across (sorry) an argie female who wasn't a desperate shagger?
Conqueror
May 24th, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many words you know! And the way you arrange them is just amazing... I'm stunned, truly. But that's no way to talk to your parents! Doesn't matter they they refused to open the door. You should see someone about that issue, it might have left wounds unhealed...
A nation of imbeciles represented in London by an illiterate imbecile with a memory-span that couldn't even challenge that of a goldfish.
May 25th, 2012 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's praising her too much, Skåre.
May 25th, 2012 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0More like a retarded gnat.
@166 Guzz
May 25th, 2012 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Given the grammatical minefield you just posted, it is actually quite hilarious that you would dare to snipe about Conqueror's literacy. And don't even get me started on your riotous attempts at pidgin Swedish :)
The dispute over the Falklands is interesting. Who learned English where and how well is not.
May 25th, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alicia is stupid, but not enough to be a real malvinazi “ambassador,”- and definitely too ugly to be an Aerolineas Argentinas air hostess.
May 25th, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Argentina's government seems to treat their constitution with contempt, changing it whenever they please. I doubt it would take must to cross out the offending parts of the article.
May 25th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The constitution for Argentina is only sacred until it stands in their way of stealing something, then it's an inconvenience.
As for Castro, she should get the award for 'Ambassador most able to embarrass herself and her country on the world stage' award. :o)
“Welcome to Aerolineas Arsentinas Tu-154 flight to Mounta Pleasentee. You will notice I am the modern successor to Corned Beef Kate who gave you all those accurate reports about HMS Inveencible sinking in 1982. I can't remember any of the safety drills, but the TU 154 is so dangerous, safety drills are a waste of time. You will however be able to play the Argy national blame game, so if the plane goes down you will find a voodoo doll of the pilotee under your seat to stick pins in as the plane joins the Belgrano. Please excuse the ladies serving you with corned beef, the ones with the' magnum' moustaches and the hairy legs, they are our glorious commandos who will take Mounta Pleasentee on arrival, so for this reason alone the pilotee will do his best to keep this scrap heap in the air. I have been assured that this plan will work by the Reichmistress herself. I loved my job as ambassador in London as it paid for lots of orange hairdye, but hey, sheet happens”.
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May 26th, 2012 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You stay classy Argentina
May 26th, 2012 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0133 mcarling (#) One point I have not seen mentioned anywhere is that Argentina was a founding member of the League of Nations. Although the League ultimately proved incapable of preventing aggression by the Axis powers in the 1930s, it very successfully resolved a number of sovereignty disputes, including the return of Leticia to Colombia in 1934 (invaded by Peru in 1932). Argentina never attempted to use the League of Nations, which it had helped to found, to settle the Falklands dispute - because there was no dispute at the time. On the contrary, Vice-president Roca is on record as saying in 1933 : “It can be said that Argentina is an integral economic part of the British Empire”.
May 26th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@166 Both of my parents are, regrettably deceased and have been for some years. So I find your comment repulsive and personally offensive.
May 26th, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@175 Don't knock. Argies are an embarrassment to argieland!
@177 That's useful to know “Argentina is an integral economic part of the British Empire”. Mind you, I seem to recall having read that Britain invested a lot of money in the place when it was worth anything. ”The First Triumvirate, influenced by Bernardino Rivadavia and Manuel García, instead promoted unrestricted trade with Britain. The Second Triumvirate and José Gervasio Artigas sought to restore the initial protectionist policy, but the Supreme Director restored free trade once more. Thus, the economy of the Río de la Plata became one of the most open economies in the world.“ ”The government of Martín Rodríguez and his minister Bernardino Rivadavia, then Las Heras and finally Rivadavia himself as the first president of Argentina, developed an economic plan deemed as “The happy experience”. This plan increased the British influence in the national politics. It was based on five main pillars: complete free trade and no protectionist policies against British imports, finance with a central bank managed by British investors, absolute control of the port of Buenos Aires as the sole source of income from national customs, British exploitation of the national natural resources, and an Unitarist national organization centred in Buenos Aires.” All between 1810 and 1829. After that, the place became protectionist. 1829 to 1870 saw no less than FOUR currency devaluations, by 34%, then 66%, then 95% and finally by 40%. I reckon that's an overall 99.5%. Seems nothing changes!
Conqueror
May 26th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your utter moron! You threat (or promise, as you say) to KILL PEOPLE, and now you find my words personally offensive? Aren't you a sad little victim of stupidity... :)
@175 Think
May 26th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is your imagination. I don't get close to african americans. I am spanish like it or not. Growing up in Patagonia my friends were spanish, italian, french and my german girlfriend Irma Kraus. The german in Patagonia were the smartest imigrants. My first job with an international company in Argentina was given to me by Ernest Lieberman. Thanks to him I made it world wide. How far can you go?....
(180) SussieUS
May 26th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Post (175) was not written by me......
... “you can’t speculate with results, but rather open dialogue and sit to negotiate”, which is what the whole international community is demanding. ”
May 26th, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is clearly false, as the rest of the world doesn't give two shits. I love how Argentinian politicians try so hard to give things an air of legitimacy but instead come off looking like fools
@182 I am also puzzled where the Rg's get, “The whole international community is demanding” from.
May 26th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because clearly they aren't.
Dave204
May 26th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While those diplomats are getting the headlines across the world, you are a footnote in Mercopress (and history?)...
The rest of the world does care, but the only thing you hear is “Take our resources, shoot our kids”, so that's what you do. And you see yourselves as heroes in the process...
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May 26th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there he is again, my own little wannabe :)
May 26th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l think he/she likes you, Guzz.
May 26th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0178 Conqueror (#) As I say, Argentina did very well out of its partnership with Britain until the Great Depression - as did Britain, of course.
May 26th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isolde
May 27th, 2012 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think it's Conqueror that got tired of tilting...
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May 27th, 2012 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@184
May 27th, 2012 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0As someone who is not British or Argentinian, I can assure you that outside of your little corner of South America, this is a complete non issue. I have no beef with Argentinians and I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but 95% of the planet has never heard of the Falklands and couldn't find Argentina on a map. As for politicians making headlines, you'll have a hell of a time finding any outside of SA or the UK.
(191) Guzz
May 27th, 2012 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know who it is, but evidently it’s an Anglo......
You, Tobias, SussieUS and I have been targeted so far…..
This explains several mystical “ Argentinean comments in the past too….
Typical British sham, lying and deceit techniques though.....
Dave
May 27th, 2012 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to care a lot, for someone that doesn't care :)
@Guzz
May 27th, 2012 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0It really doesn't affect me one way or the other, but you have to admit these comment boards get pretty entertaining when extremists from both points of view start having a go at each other:)
I do indeed :)
May 27th, 2012 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Although I think commenters aren't that extreme at all, but the wind up tends to drive one to the extremes... That and bloody generalising, talking about 40 or 60 million people as if they were 1...
But yes, great fun. :)
(196) Dave204
May 27th, 2012 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”.......these comment boards get pretty entertaining when extremists from both points of view start having a go at each other:) ”
I say:
Or when some uninformed Anglo-Canadian tries to use the St. Pierre & Miquelon issue to defend the British ocupation of Malvinas..............
Chuckle chuckle©
ls that the best that you can do cher Think?
May 27th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time to step aside & let Thinkson or Thinksdóttir take over.
And you can stop the cut & paste, we're not impressed.
snigger, giggle etc
We support british self determination in Britain, Islas Malvinas Argentina is not negotiable, let's kill or execute all war monger, pirates and thieves.
May 27th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Believe it or not, Pirate-Hunter, suicide is against the law, and I don't care who you support, bloody warmonkey...
May 27th, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@198 - Think.
May 27th, 2012 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no such place as the 'Malvinas'. The Falkland Islands, however, are British. They were British 100 years ago, they're British today and they'll be British in 100 years.
Argentina remains an impotent nobody, with no legal, historic or moral claims on the Islands.
Is that why all you Argtards are so upset? Impotence?
Leproso
May 27th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In your illness, I can merely guess what part of you that left you first...
198 Think: Grateful you inform as to why not reasonable to compare St Pierre and Miquelon (SPM) to Falkland Islands (FI) because France's “Collectivité territoriale de Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon”, is like FI, a self-governing territorial overseas territory. Canadian commentators such as Colby Cash defend the right of the FI community to self-determination, just as they agree that SPM enjoy that right.
May 27th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reference:
Dog, cat, and mouse in the South Atlantic :
http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/02/17/dog-cat-and-mouse-in-the-south-atlantic/
Think 194
May 27th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yoda is not Anglo.
Yoda has only used Jedi mind control on the duplicitous ones.
The ones who use multiple identities.
Hoisted on your own petard you are.
Yoda
May 27th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are obsessed by this multiple identity thing. Try taking the right pills next time and don't project your schizophrenia on us...
(204) JohnN
May 27th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask….:
Think....: Grateful you inform as to why not reasonable to compare St Pierre and Miquelon (SPM) to Falkland Islands (FI) because France's “Collectivité territoriale de Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon”, is like FI, a self-governing territorial overseas territory. Canadian commentators such as Colby Cash defend the right of the FI community to self-determination, just as they agree that SPM enjoy that right.
I say…:
Please try to re-read my post No.: (198)…..
I never said it was ”not reasonable to compare St Pierre and Miquelon to the Malvinas”…..
I said it is “pretty entertaining to see a defender of the British occupation of the Malvinas using the St. Pierre & Miquelon example”.
Just have a look at the “negotiated results” for St. Pierre & Miquelon…:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Saint-Pierre_and_Miquelon_EEZ_map-fr.svg
It has effectively destroyed any possibility of commercial fisheries or oil production on those islands.
I’m certain that the Argentinean government would luuuuuv to strike such a deal with the British about Malvinas….
@Think
May 27th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You refer to the St. Pierre Miquelon “issue”. What issue? As you referenced in your link, issues have been solved. Don't blame Canada for negotiating a good deal for itself, if your polititians didn't carry on like belligerent loons with their attempted economic bullying of the FI and claims of outright control over the islands, they might have been able to negotiate a similar deal regarding the FI.
@206 Guzz
May 27th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tricked you have been.
Comment at 205 me was not.
Infiltrado me thinks.
209
May 27th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In that case, I take back the “Yoda” part and let the rest stand for you :)
(208) Dave 204
May 27th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is “blaming” the Mounties?
Not me!
Excellent deal for Canada....
Not good at all for the Saint Pierran et Miquelonians.
Completely disastrous for the French ambitions in the area.
And we both know that the Frogs, the Canadiens and the Acadiens have 100,000 times more rights over New France than the British ever will have over the South Atlantic.
211
May 27th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I was getting at is regardless of history, and I believe both sides of the arguement have some valid points, that the Islanders aren't going anywhere, and as long as they remain the UK will support them, it seems like a stalemate. To this uninformed Anglo Canadian, it seems like the best thing for everybody would be to just accept that the status quo is not going to change in the near future and negotiate some sort of agreement re: maritime boundaries, resources, trade etc. and leave it at that.
211 Think:
May 27th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although France brought its gunboats to the Saint Pierre and Miquelon (SPM) fishing issue with Canada, in turn Canada threatened to bring our gunboats, and since both France and Canada saw the two SPM resources at issue of fish and oil as being either diminishing (fish) or speculative (oil), they rather quickly suggested arbitration might be better way to go.
More importantly, Canada did NOT question SPM as a French Overseas Territory and therein is the problem with Argentina's constitutional position vis-a-vis the Falkland Islands. Argentina's constitutional position is that it wants the Falkland Islands, not just some resource rights. How could a British government acquiesce to turfing out FI families from their homes and lands?
Dr John Hughes addressed that at recent Falklands LSE seminar (07:40 minutes) wherein with whole FI at stake is just too high a priority or impact to let go to litigation. Hughes goes on to say another issue is that Argentina views the issue of one of territorial integrity, whereas for Britain, its one of human rights/self-determination. Hughes also makes point (24:05) that Britain is inflexible on starting negotiations (Falkland Islanders must agree first), but flexible on outcome, whereas Argentina is flexible on starting negotiation, but inflexible on outcome (constitutional demand of Malvinas-Argentinas). Rigidity on all sides according to Hughes, but the reason appears clear: argument of human rights of self-determination versus argument of post-colonial territorial integrity. Timerman has admitted that this new (post 1982) British argument of Falkland Islands' self-determination is a new paradigm that Argentina rejects.
No doubt that France, Canada and SPM are all glad not to be in this situation!
Reference:
LSE seminar: “UK-Argentina: is there a way forward”:
http://www2.lse.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/videoAndAudio/channels/publicLecturesAndEvents/player.aspx?id=1481
@211
May 28th, 2012 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0As to your comment regarding the French, or “frogs” as you so ignorantly put it, having any remaining claim to New France, they ceded it to the British by treaty, and I have no idea what the hell you think “Canadiens” might be, but whether you mean Quebecois or Montreal's hockey team, they're still here, as are plenty of Acadians
@212 Dave204 “the Islanders aren't going anywhere”
May 28th, 2012 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, most of the progress since 1982 has been driven by the Falkland Islanders. Argentina's case in international law is completely bogus, having settled the matter in 1850 by ratifying the Convention of Settlement. On the other hand, Argentina's political case is quite strong in that colonialism is indefensible.
Three times since the liberation (1985, 1997, and 2009), the Falkland Islanders have taken on incrementally more self-governance. The extent to which the relationship between the Falkland Islanders and Britain can be said to be “colonialist” or “non self-governing” is decreasing. If this trend continues, then the problem will be resolved just as the nearly identical problem between Guatemala and Belize (formerly British Honduras) was resolved.
(Guatemala's claims against British Honduras were much, much stronger than Argentina's claims against the Falkland Islands.)
(215) mcarling
May 28th, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0And yet another Anglo Turnip proudly displaying his perfect British brainwash and utter ignorance of anything not published in the “News of the World” (RIP) or “The Sun” (Gordon Ramsay's Porn-Star Dwarf Doppelganger eaten by Badger………., kind of......)
He says:
”If this trend continues, then the problem will be resolved just as the nearly identical problem between Guatemala and Belize (formerly British Honduras) was resolved.“
I say:
Guatemala & Belice's territorial ”problem” resolved !!!!!
Whooot ????
When ???
How ??
Who ?
PS:
A clue to the Turnips…… The ”Belice / Guatemala Issue” has NOT been resolved………… yet.
http://belizean.com/belize-and-guatemala-set-date-for-territorial-dispute-referenda-1142/
But Think, Artigas was from Stratfordshire...
May 28th, 2012 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also, the Montoneros were in reality descendants of the Isle of Man...
Finally, the only reason it's so cold in Denmark at times, is because the danes don't pay enough tribute to the brits...
Everybody knows this
@216 Think:
May 28th, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Belize and Guatemala still have some outstanding unresolved border issues, but the sovereignty issue was fully resolved in 1992. Prior to 1992, Guatemala claimed ALL of Belize's territory, just as Argentina now claims ALL of the Falkland Islanders' territory. As Belize transitioned from colonialism to self-government, Guatemala's political case collapsed and Guatemala lost the support of other Latin American countries leading up to and culminating in 1981, finally resulting in Guatemala abandoning their sovereignty claims against Belize in 1992.
The past is not always a reliable predictor of the future and the Belize/Guatemala case is not quite identical to the Falklands/Argentina case, but I believe a similar result is likely to occur if the Falkland Islanders continue to transition from colonialism to self-government.
I formerly thought that the conservative pace of transition from colonialism to self-government in the Falkland Islands might be due to reluctance in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office to let go. Further research has convinced me that the reluctance to move faster comes not from the British but primarily, if not entirely, from the Falkland Islanders as a consequence of the formerly violent and currently economic and political hostilities perpetrated upon the Falkland Islanders by the government of Argentina.
Just as resolution of the sovereignty dispute between Belize and Guatemala left an as yet unresolved border dispute, I expect that resolution of the sovereignty dispute between the Falkland Islands and Argentina will probably leave a dispute over the maritime boundary between their Exclusive Economic Zones. Fortunately, UNCLOS provides an objective methodology for resolving overlapping claims of maritime EEZs.
mcarling,
May 28th, 2012 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are no overlapping EEZs between the two countries. There are 260nmi between the two, and Argentina already has the maximum 200nmi it is entitled to under international law. The Falklands have an EEZ of 60nmi on the western side.
@219:
May 28th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The maximum that Argentina is entitled to under international law is the midpoint between Argentina and the Falkland Islands -- unless they agree otherwise. Neither Britain nor the Falkland Islanders have granted Argentina permission to an EEZ past the midpoint. This is temporarily a moot point while Argentina demands the entire territory of the Falkland Islands. I predict that it will become an active, though relatively minor, dispute upon resolution of the sovereignty issue.
It was the same between Belize and Guatemala. Prior to 1992, while Guatemala demanded the entire territory of Belize, they did not have the current, relatively minor, border dispute. Unfortunately for Belize and Guatemala, their border dispute is more difficult to resolve than the EEZ boundary between Argentina and the Falkland Islands.
(218) mcarling
May 28th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Facts about the Belice / Guatemala Issue are:
1) Guatemala still claims ~50% of Belice’s territory and ~75% of its territorial waters.
2) Both Countries have agreed on a simultaneous referendum (possibly in 2013) to decide to take the dispute to the ICJ.
http://www.minex.gob.gt/ADMINPORTAL/Data/DOC/20101022110802527presentacionCOMBELPROPUESTAMCMverCORTA071010.pdf
(219) dab14763
As I have written many times before in here…………:
The Malvinas are just 186 Nautical miles from the nearest Argentinean shore.......
Any turnip with a computer and Google Earth can verify this….
Stop embarrasing yourself….
@221 Think:
May 28th, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Yes, I knew this. I maintain that this dispute is minor _relative_ to the pre-1992 sovereignty dispute.
2) I had not known that they had agreed to a referendum on the question of agreeing to let the ICJ decide the question. Thanks for that. If the case goes to the ICJ, I will be following it closely. I hope Argentina will agree to Britain's offer to let the ICJ resolve the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. So far, Argentina has rejected Britain's offers five times.
(222) mcarling
May 28th, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“I hope Argentina will agree to Britain's offer to let the ICJ resolve the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. So far, Argentina has rejected Britain's offers five times.”
I say:
Again misinformation from your side.
Britain has never offered “to let the ICJ resolve the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands”.
What they have offered is to take the issue of the Falkland Islands “Dependencies” to the ICJ.
That didn’t include the “Falkland Islands.
I have discussed this point extensively with other Brits in here and posted all the pertinent documentation...
Much to their regret they had to admit that it was the truth...
Do some research before embarrassing yourself........
@223 - Think.
May 28th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong. Argentina won't go to the ICJ at all because they know that they have no legal grounds for their claims to the Falkland Islands.
No historical grounds, no moral grounds and by 21C law definitely no legal grounds. The people of the Falklands have the right to self-determination, and that trumps EVERY pathetic lie that Argentina could put forwards.
You see, Mr (I don't) Think, your government is constantly lying, about everything, but especially about the Falklands.
Your government refuses to abide by International Law when it doesn't go their way (like a spoilt child), the Beagle Channel dispute leaps to mind.
No Mr (I don't) Think, you say Britain has not offerred to go to the ICJ, this statement is just your opinion, which is worthless from a legal standpoint, and not proof.
The right to Self-Determination is PARAMOUNT in any sovereignty dispute and the Falklanders have already made their views known.
So Argentina will never get the Falklands through any legal route (and they know it), hence, why they're trying to drum up support from fellow South American countries to take the Islands by force, as their Military is impotent.
The rest of South America aren't stupid and see right through the Argentinians (as does the rest of the world), and Argentina will no doubt still be crying in 100yrs time regarding this non-issue.
Think,
May 28th, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know it's 186nmi. But not at the angle by which the EEZ is measured. The one that needs to stop embarrassing himself is you.
(225) dab14763
May 28th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“ I know it's 186nmi. But not at the angle by which the EEZ is measured.”
I say:
And what angle would that be?
Measured by whom?
@226 - Think. The way the angle is measured follows the natural curve of the Earth (yes Think the Earth is round or rather a oblate spheroid slightly flattened at its axis - that's the poles) and it is an internationally agreed upon navigation and measurement tool and calculated by far more intelligent people than you or I.
May 28th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst the usual drivel falling from your mouth is entertaining, just what does it have to do with this story? Or are you resorting to you usual practice of diversion because you know you've got no valid argument to back up your increasingly bizarre claims?
Try keeping to the actual subject instead of deliberately trying to bog people down with niff-naffing trivia.
Have a nice day. :0)
@223 Think:
May 28th, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have nothing to be embarrassed about here. I'm not omniscient and I'm always happy to learn something new. I have have not read the actual text of any of the five British offers to settle issues with Argentina before the ICJ, so one or more of the five might not be as broad in scope as I had understood. I would be grateful if you would provide a link.
On the other hand, I have read the full text of the 1850 Convention of Settlement in which Argentina gave up their claims to the Falklands in exchange for Britain recognizing the navigation of the River Parana to be an inland navigation of Argentina.
@225 dab14763: “I know it's 186nmi. But not at the angle by which the EEZ is measured.”
Rubbish. EEZs are measured as great circle distances at low tide. From Argentina to the Falkland Islands, the nearest points are about 186nm along the great circle path.
@ Think,
May 29th, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0186 nautical miles or 186mm or even 186 cubic miles of icecream.
Who cares, Think, the Falklands are STILL NOT your land.
They are OURS.
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May 29th, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619?sk=wall&filter=3
(228) mcarling
May 30th, 2012 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“I have read the full text of the 1850 Convention of Settlement in which Argentina gave up their claims to the Falklands in exchange for Britain recognizing the navigation of the River Parana to be an inland navigation of Argentina.”
I say:
If you have read the full text of the 1850 Convention of Settlement you would know that the Malvinas are not mentioned in it.
If you knew anything about history, you would know that that “Convention of Settlement” was estortioned on Argentina after five years of total imperialistic blockade by the two most powerfull nations on Earth at the time.
My personal opinion (and I'm not alone on this one) is that, eventually, this (in)famous “Convention of Settlement” should be denounced and repudiated in the proper Fora.
Think, it stopped being valid the very same moment the UK invaded Iraq. You can't choose what conventions you'd like to follow..
May 30th, 2012 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@232 -Guzz. You went a whole 2 minutes without mentioning Iraq.
May 30th, 2012 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let the Iraqi's decide what's legal and what's not. You don't seem to realise that the Iraqi government is well within its rights to protest the 2003 invasion to the UN and ICJ.
But they don't because they don't believe it was illegal.
Your opinion on this matter is completely irrelevant, and you only bring it up when you know you're losing the argument.
@231 - Mr Think. Argentina already spits on international law, so trying to repudiate this treaty wouldn't surprise anyone. Your government has no honour and doesn't keep it's word.
You are right about the 1850 treaty not mentioning the Falklands, but it does talk about the understanding between Argenita and Britain, and a maintenance if the status quo. Since the British had already claimed sovereignty, this means that the Argentine government in 1850 recognised that what was British territory in 1850 would remain so, and the British recognised that what was Argentine territory in 1850 would remain so. As you can see there was no need to mention specific places.
This status quo remained until the 1940's when Peron decided to invent the Argentine claim. In other words he wanted to follow the Nazi example and expand his little empire. But then the Nazi went and got their arses handed to them, and Peron was left dangling in the wind.
But the Falklands have always been a good way of distracting the Argentine people, haven't they? A nice shiny bauble to dangle before them, so they don't notice just how badly they're being screwed by the government.
Argentina's claim from over 180 yrs ago is invalid, even if it were true, by international law. You rendered all UNGA resolutions invalid when you invaded in 1982, then ignored 2 UNSC resolutions to vacate the islands, so the British removed you by force, which was within international law.
All Argentina can do these days is cry and the world is fast getting sick of them. You must feel humiliated.
@231 Think:
May 30th, 2012 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0The reason the Falklands are not explicitly mentioned in the 1850 Convention of Settlement is that it was a generous gesture by Britain to Argentina to help them save face. Rather it broadly states that there are no outstanding differences between Argentina and Britain. In that, Argentina accepted British sovereignty over the Falklands. It could not have been otherwise because Britain didn't get anything else out of the deal. All other provisions of the settlement were in favor of Argentina.
@187 Guzz
May 30th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bachelet may well win the next election.
Who cares what the Spanish call the islands. The Spanish call “jugo” “zumo”, “papas” “patatas”, etc. In Chile they have long been known as Islas Falklands.
If you want to call them Malvinas, fine. Here we call them Falklands.
Chile supports the British claim in more than just Sergio’s head.I can’t speak for all Chileans but anecdotal evidence would suggest that most support the islands right to self-determination.
What I think the public thinks is by the by. Chile is playing its hand absolutely correctly: supporting Argentina publicly on the FI, in full knowledge that their legal claim is hopeless, hence naught will come of it; tolerate Bolivia’s claims knowing that, when push comes to shove, the Peruvians will block any progress on the matter. The UK is regularly one of the largest investors in Chile so I am sure we will have clarified our position with them to avoid misunderstanding. Result: business as usual with UK and Argentina.
@325 Condorito Chilota
May 30th, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need to accept the facts and tolerate the disputed islands is a controversial topic of discussion, past, present and future.
As an US citizen and Argentina citizen I believe this controversial dispute will continue for years to come.
If you country support the UK that is the chileans decision. It could be just an imitation like the miner rescued chilean imitating Elvis Presley just with a few words....Que papelon.... in the US we all laughed seeing this chilean imitating Elvis Presley singing Elvis songs with a few words..
Here in Las Vegas there are more thant 200 Elvis PERFECT singing impersonators making $5,000 per show. Keep that clown in you Chile...
Sussie you need to learn to count.
May 30th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(234) mcarling
May 30th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In short........., just your personal British haughty interpretation of that (in)famous treaty signed after five years of (in)famous blockade....
@236 SussieUS “You need to accept the facts and tolerate the disputed islands is a controversial topic of discussion, past, present and future.”
May 30th, 2012 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No. Controversial means that a fair case can be made on either side of a question. Argentina has no legal case whatsoever for the Falkland Islands.
@238 Think:
I don't exactly support the British position on the Falkland Islands. I support the Falkland Islanders.
Yes, the Convention of Settlement was signed after five years of British/French blockade which followed Argentine harassment of British/French trade along the Parana River. So what? The question is what did each side concede to the other. The only thing of significance that Argentina conceded in 1850 was the Falklands. Everything else in the settlement was what Britain gave up in order to get Argentina to give up their claims to the Falkland Islands.
If you want to argue that Argentina didn't give up their claims to the Falkland Islands in 1850, then you need to answer a few questions:
- Why did Argentina's Message to Congress protest the British possession of the Falkland Islands every year from 1833 to 1849 but never from 1850 to 1940?
- Why did multiple Argentine Presidents and Vice-presidents publicly state during the 1850s, 1860s, and 1870s that they had no disputes with Britain?
- Why did all the maps published in Argentina from 1850 until the mid-1880s not show the Falkland Islands as part of Argentina?
- Why else would Britain have signed the 1850 Convention of Settlement?
mcarling
May 30th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To a rational, impartial person you have made a very clear argument. The answer to your last three questions is equally clear.
However, from the replies you get you may conclude, as I have, that some posters on this forum are trolls, eloquent, but trolls none the less.
They will probably not have the grace to recognise that you are correct.
She seems to be making a similar point to one I made in the comments a few weeks ago, that the constituion shouldn't be a barrier to negotiations as constitutions are manmade with the possibility of being changed. Of course that shouldn't be seen as an offer to change the constitution now, when Britain is offering nothing. Lets talk, see what happens...
May 31st, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0#34 “The woman's quite mental and out of control. Argentine presidential material surely”
I'm increasingly thinking that will be a good idea, if Cristina doesn't run again. Women seem to make better leaders in that part of the world right now, and Reina Alicia seems like the kind of tough smart lady who could keep the silly squabbling men under control =) You go ma'am =)
#89 “The beauty of Argentina is indisputable – I don’t like CFK either, but not even she can take away from the amazing natural beauty of Argentina”
No indeed she doesn't, in fact she greatly adds to it =)
#180 “I don't get close to african americans”
Sussie I don't care what you think of Argentina, in terms of your adopted country America you're a disgusting racist, in fact a throwback to the attitudes of the pre-civil rights Jim Crow apartheid era, and an embarrasment to all those who support Cristina for political reasons
#202 Well said, our side are against ALL war monkeys =)
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May 31st, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'that the constituion shouldn't be a barrier to negotiations as constitutions are manmade with the possibility of being changed.'
May 31st, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British-Kirchnerist,
Yes, they can be changed. But the 94 constitution says full sovereignty over all the territory claimed is unrenounceable. Notice the word 'full'. This means all other options such as British sovereignty, independence, joint sovereignty, cession of some territory to Argentina, etc are a renunciation of full sovereignty and, therefore, the very act of negotiating them would be a breach of the constitution for any Argentine.
243 dab14763
May 31st, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But that did not stop The Mad Bitch of Argentina from thieving YPF from Repsol, against the constitution.
When that was pointed out to the gang of crooks they amended the constitution AND BACK-DATED IT.
But heh, they are used to that, just look at the forming of Argentina - signed in 1816 backdated to 1810. They have the lying and cheating instinct in their DNA.
@242 SussieUS
May 31st, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some viewers used my name to post false comments in my behalf...
Some viewers have request my comments be removed..
You all have the choice to ignore what this person saying, but...
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