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Gibraltar and Spanish town agree on cross-border group to help sort out fishing dispute
Gibraltar Chief Minister Fabian Picardo and Spanish town La Linea Mayor Gemma Araujo agreed the creation of a cross-border joint working group that will be examining all aspects of the fishing dispute with Spain. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat are the English doing there(Gibraltar) ?....
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0counting the passing ships ?
taxing the passing ships ?
some eccentric/politic/wanted refugees hiding ?
@1 Maybe doing the same as the Spanish in Africa
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Melilla (Spanish pronunciation: [meˈliʎa]) is a 12.3 square kilometres (4.7 sq mi) autonomous city of Spain and an exclave on the north coast of Morocco. Melilla, along with the Spanish exclave Ceuta, is one of the two Spanish territories located in mainland Africa
@1 - Max
May 23rd, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've read quite a few of your posts and I fail to comprehend what points you are trying to make. You seem to just string random words together which seem to be vaguely anti-British.
I'm Gibraltarian. Do you know anything about Gibraltar or our history? Do you know what the Treaty of Utrecht is?
Thought not - so shut up.
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May 23rd, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don^t defend Spaniards !
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I am an actual man not history curious
I do want to learn that why is Gibraltar so important for English !
its the gateway to the med,
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that might help.
and spain is just trying to do another CFK ,
they all persieve the brits as weak,
but suprise suprise,
whos going to find out first,
@4 See whether you can understand this. YOU ARE A PRICK! NOW SOD OFF!
May 23rd, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1 If you REALLY want to know, Gibraltar was ceded, by Spain, to Britain, IN PERPETUITY. If you have trouble with that word, it means FOREVER. Spanish cocksuckers, similar to argie cocksuckers, like to say that the treaty that agreed this, the Treaty of Utrecht, doesn't mention Gibraltar territorial waters, so they don't exist. However, the same treaty doesn't mention Spanish territorial waters either, so they don't exist. Thereby proving that the Spanish, Latins, argies are complete brainless. Let's do the world a favour. Destruction.
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May 23rd, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your opinion is not convincing for me ............
more strategic please !
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the unruly conquerror
Gibraltar was ceded,by Spain to Britain in perpetuity.........
don^t laugh me .........
can you bring any documents proves your opinion.?
@7 - Max you really are thick aren't you? Conquerer already gave you the proof. The Treaty of Utrecht.
May 23rd, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Catholic King does hereby, for himself, his heirs and successors, yield to the Crown of Great Britain the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging; and he gives up the said propriety to be held and enjoyed absolutely with all manner of right for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever.”
This treaty was signed on 13 July 1713. So the Spanish signed away Gibraltar to the British Crown FOR EVER. Trying to take it back would be illegal. But these days the people of Gibraltar have the right to self determination. And they want to remain British, not become part of Spain.
Just like the Falklands really. In 1850, Argentina recognised Britains Soveignty over the Falklands. So legally they are British. And these days the people of the Falklands have the right to self determination, and choose to be British.
Any way you look at it Spain and Argentina have no legal, historic or moral rights to dictate how the people of these BOTs live or who they decide to pledge their allegiance to.
Ive got family who live in the Campo and to be fair we get along with La Linea - plenty of Lineses work in Gib. It's good to see some co-operation between their council and our Gov on the fishing issue, especially since the national gov walked away from the tripartite agreement. Hopefully we can work together on other issues too.
May 23rd, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 8
May 23rd, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Treaty of Utrecht was signed basically between France / Britain in 1713
As you know France saw a Revolution and Napoleon Bonaparte period
so the treaty could not be valid for France Republics ..then this treaty is invalid .
@10. The treaty was signed on behalf of the Spanish by Philip V of Spain you utter tool.
May 23rd, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep up the good work!
If Utretch is invalid, give back Gibraltar. If Utretch is valid, give back the isthmus and stop messing in the waters. Much like Guantanamo. Utrecht ceded a fortress and port without any territorial jurisdiction (literally), be it land or sea. Face it.
May 24th, 2012 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only complaint Spain has is over a small strip of land.
May 24th, 2012 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@12 - I disagree - the Treaty states “ ...and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging”. Along the line of the current frontier there were two forts called El Molino & Torre del Diablo. These fall into the terms of the treaty, therefore the isthmus is Gibraltarian.
May 24th, 2012 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain gave up the rights to this piece of land by signing a treaty which has never been invalidated and now they're complaining they want the land for themselves.. hmm.. sounding so familiar...
May 24th, 2012 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not more evidence needed than a signed treaty really.
May 24th, 2012 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is spain going to give its african enclaves back??? and France the colony in south America????
@16 - what soberanista is talking about is the land between the old town and the frontier - the Spanish (wrongly) interprete the treaty as only ceding the city. They just want our Morrissons supermarket!
May 24th, 2012 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0haha I love Morrisons they will never take our Meat Counter!!!
May 24th, 2012 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just noticed that Spain have a colony in western sahara, its pretty big. Funny how its only spain or former spanish colonies that seem to whine and grasp at land when infact they still hold territory in Africa!!
As bad as the RG's wanting to colonise Falklands and South Georgia + antarctic.
Anyone remember the Spanish reaction when a couple of cadets camped out on Parsley Island a few years back?
May 24th, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0its seems to the educated,
May 24th, 2012 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that these things were signed , to be obeyed,
in the 21st cetury,
the un,educated, it seems wants to destroy and tear up all agreements that it dislikes,
just to get what it wants .
and the clock turns backwards .
The point to the treaty was to prevent further wars and bloodshed between the three main parties in the Wars of the Spanish Succession. If the Spanish want to tear up the treaty then they would no doubt claim Holland and Belgium back and King Juan Carlos would be claiming the throne of France!
May 24th, 2012 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Europe would look a different place had the Treaty of Utrecht not been signed, and honoured, over the centuries, which just makes Spain's position on Gibraltar look absurd.
@10 The “Treaty of Utrecht” comprises a SERIES of individual peace treaties, rather than a single document, signed by the belligerents in the War of the Spanish Succession. The War of the Spanish Succession was fought on one side by an alliance of the Spanish loyal to Archduke Charles, the Holy Roman Empire, Great Britain (England until 1707), the Dutch Republic, Portugal and the Duchy of Savoy. On the “other” side was the Spanish loyal to Philip V, France and the Electorate of Bavaria. The treaties were concluded between the representatives of Louis XIV of France and Philip V of Spain on the one hand, and representatives of Anne, Queen of Great Britain, the Duke of Savoy, the King of Portugal and the United Provinces (Dutch Republic) on the other. That's your history lesson. Now keep up.
May 24th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 Who rattled your cage? Do I understand your point about “the waters”? Of course I do. Typical Latin obfuscation. The Treaty doesn't mention “territorial waters” says Spain. “So Gibraltar doesn't have any territorial waters”. The Treaty doesn't mention “territorial waters” says I. So Spain doesn't have any territorial waters. But then the concept of “territorial waters” wasn't internationally accepted until the late 18th century. So Gibraltar got territorial waters when Spain did. A fact recently tacitly accepted by the Spanish. In a recent “incident” a Royal Navy vessel ordered a Spanish Guardia Civil vessel to leave British Gibraltar Territorial Waters for being in breach of Article 19 of UNCLOS. The Spanish vessel left.
@21 Spain's position on Gibraltar IS absurd. And then we have the argies position on the Falklands. At least the Spanish haven't descended to the asinine level of calling the peninsula by another name (yet)!
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May 24th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are saying that the treaty of Utrecht cannot be valid because of a regime change i.e. France becoming a Republic, this would mean that a lot of treaties in the World would be invalid. This is obviously not the case and a poor argument.
Talking like adults. Unfortunately not something that forms a part of the cowardly warmongering Argentinian national psyche
May 25th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rip up the treaty of Ultrecht now!! and tell the Gibraltans that the game is over...No English colonies wanted in Modern Europe!! It is pathetic and embarrassing for The Brits and Europeans. GIVE GIBRALTAR BACK TO SPAIN NOW!!
May 25th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 025
May 25th, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0go back to sleep
N0 26
May 25th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0maybe you should wake up!! cause the only one asleep IS YOU::
a troll
May 25th, 2012 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thats all you are,
no loyalty just a troll.
aussie sunshine
May 25th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) it isn't a colony
2) it isn't English
3) the vast majority of the population of Gibraltar are of Spanish descent, so even the desperately hackneyed arguments employed by the Argentinians to argue that self-determination does not apply in the Falklands don't fly with Gibraltar
4) ripping up the Treaty of Utrecht doesn't change international law .. which says that Gibraltar is British
5) whatever else you say will probably be wrong too
6) yes you are a troll
No English Colony in a European Member State!!
May 25th, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give Gibraltar back to Spain!!
Shame on Britain!! Bloody disgrace.....
Tell you what - give Australia to the Spanish. It is all the hole is good for and the two dumps will make a perfect couple.
May 26th, 2012 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@30 argentine sunshine,
May 26th, 2012 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You again! Thought we'd so embarrassed you with your lack of Australian knowledge, that you'd picked another nom-de-plume.
You are a bloody disgrace mate.
Do you still come from Melbourne or have you changed cities now?
You couldn't answer anything correctly about Melbourne, so maybe you've emigrated.
Waiting to hear from you, cobber.
32 lsolde
May 26th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he is a kangerooo in sheeps clothing .
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