MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands’ lawmaker accuses Argentina of “indiscriminate and uncontrolled” fishing
A member of the Falkland Islands elected Legislative Assembly criticized Argentina for “indiscriminate and uncontrolled” fishing and regretted the lack of cooperation in the conservation of South Atlantic fisheries. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe 3000 can show the 40 million how to do things properly.It appears that the Falklands are the responsible adult and Argentina is the unruly child who will not stop having childish tantrums.
May 24th, 2012 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 Isn't that what they call “Creativity?”
May 24th, 2012 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina does need to grow up, there president is a joke, there ministers are great for comical value, but that's about it. Soon that giant toilet will flush, and goodbye Argentina, destroyed by its own incompetence.
Oh! Wassup?
May 24th, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Little fish don’t want to be cached there any more?
They don’t have the right of self-determination?
@3 Dany
May 24th, 2012 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders do have the right to self determination.
Your argument that the FI is a transplanted population, firstly isnt true as there were NO natives and secondly is pointless anyway as Argentina is a transplanted population and they have the right to SD.
When you're fishing you never know what you might catch:
May 24th, 2012 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina identifies Dirty War victim from 1976
Victoria Montenegro was taken from her parents when she was just a baby
Argentine forensic experts have identified the remains of a body that washed ashore in Uruguay in 1976.
DNA tests showed that the remains were of Roque Orlando Montenegro, who disappeared a month before the Argentine military took power.
Evidence suggests he was on a death flight, in which political opponents were thrown alive into the sea.
Mr Montenegro's daughter, Victoria, was brought up by an army couple and only discovered her own identity in 2000.
She fought back tears as she announced that her father had been identified thanks to the ”unwavering work“ of the Argentine Forensic Anthropology Team.
”We have recovered my father's remains, Roque Orlando Montenegro, known as Toti, who was only 20 years old when he disappeared,” she said.
Her parents were left-wing militants from the People's Revolutionary Army (ERP).
In February 1976, a month before the military coup, the Montenegros, including Victoria who was just a few days old, were kidnapped and disappeared.
She was raised by an army colonel's family.
Twenty-four years later, using DNA tests arranged by the Grandmothers, Ms Montenegro found out about her real identity.
Her DNA sample helped the forensic anthropologists to establish that an unnamed body discovered in a cemetery in Colonia del Sacramento in Uruguay was that of her father.
The remains of her mother, Hilda Ramona Torres, have never been found.
Human rights groups estimate that up to 30,000 people were killed or disappeared in Argentina's “dirty war” from 1976 to 1982.
The Grandmothers, whose own children were disappeared, have identified dozens of sons and daughters of victims of the military repression.
But some adopted children have said they would rather not know their origins, especially if the information implicates their adoptive parents in illegal acts.”
its funny how when you read the history of Argentina fails to mention the defeat on the Falkland islands. the whole conflict seems to be condensed down to a small foot note or 2 sentences lol in denial?
May 24th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah well, it wasn't their fault you see, it was someone else who lived in and ran their country at the time, but they weren't really Argentines.
May 24th, 2012 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0The ability to refuse to take responsibility for their own history is a peculiar Argentine trait which makes them look rather vaccuous.
@6 “Its funny how when you read the history of Argentina fails to mention the defeat on the Falkland islands” --> What have you been reading?
May 24th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0There´s no self determination to islanders. Ask the UN Decolonization Commitee...
Argentinian colonial ambition? Hahaha You Malvinenses are funny.
The Falkland Islanders do have the right to self determination.
May 24th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your argument that the FI is a transplanted population, firstly isnt true as there were NO natives and secondly is pointless anyway as Argentina is a transplanted population and they have the right to SD.
First you have to determine property rigths....
cheek: You look real ugly,fat pig!
“There´s no self determination to islanders. Ask the UN Decolonization Commitee...”
May 24th, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0When was the C24 granted the right to override a fundamental principal of the UN and one mentioned in both the UN Charter and several UN general assembly resolutions? I must have missed that change in the UN Charter, the one that gives a petty, biased and defunct sub-sub-committee the right to disregard humanity in favour of the modern colonial ambitions of petty and feckless nations who after ~200 years of independence are still blaming prior acts of colonialism for their own failings. Please, do point me to the document that gives them that power.
“Argentinian colonial ambition? Hahaha You Malvinenses are funny.”
Do you know what the word colonialism actually means, or do you simply apply it to any nation or group you happen to disapprove of. The worst aspect(s) of colonialism entailed the imposition of one people on the liberty of another people. Not the imposition of one group of people on mythical claims on previously unoccupied lands. That, Sir, is precisely the attitude of Argentina in relation to the Falkland Islands, and that, Sir, is why Argentina is, in this particular case, a colonialist 'power' (albeit an utterly powerless one, with no sense of self-respect or diplomatic decorum).
Geesh, you brianwashed twerps have really had a number played on you. You can't even recognise the meaning of words; labels are all you understand (colonialists this, pirates that, usurpers this, boogey man that...)
If Argenweener was a child you would ground and stop internet for its spiteful behaviour, even then the child would have learnt its lesson something Argenweener isnt capable of.
May 24th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0keep by international law, document and widely report incidents, eventually Argenweener will have pushed its boat out too far, to the patience of international bodies .
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May 24th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This fishing issue reflects clearly what could happen if Argentina ever got their hands on the Falklands - there would be an immediate and irreversible resource plundering of all sorts.
May 24th, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An Argentine “rule of law” (??) would probably even result in something like the train accident Las Once happening in Stanley, god forbid.
“El auditor del Estado culpa al Gobierno argentino del accidente ferroviario”:
http://www.abc.es/20120224/internacional/abcp-auditor-estado-culpa-gobierno-20120224.html
12 - Very interesting why doesnt the world see thru them, well it does...they are like a violent drunk tramp, everyone looks on embarrassed and afraid to say anything. The tramp rants and spouts pure rubbish.
May 24th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no one has the right to strip the seas of life, just to satisfy there greed,
May 24th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 08 Islas Malvinas (#)
May 24th, 2012 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 24th, 2012 - 11:35 am “There´s no self determination to islanders. Ask the UN Decolonization Commitee...”
See: http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/sgsm14122.doc.htm
Ban Ki Moon to the Special Commitee on Decolonization.
“I am pleased to greet the Special Committee as it begins its work for 2012. The creation of new sovereign nations was once described as one of the great liberating movements of history. Yet the process of decolonization is not complete. Sixteen Non-Self-Governing Territories across the globe — home to nearly 2 million people — remain to be decolonized.
In keeping with the principles of the Charter and subsequent mandating resolutions, the international community continues it efforts to make tangible progress in assisting those territories to achieve SELF-DETERMINATION. To do so, we will need the constructive involvement of all concerned — notably this Committee, the administering Powers and the Non-Self-Governing Territories themselves.”
Please note the participants:“notably this Committee, the administering Powers and the Non-Self-Governing Territories themselves.”
Maybe they have to found these fish in MLA Cheek stomach.
May 24th, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Please explain how your comment is relevant to that made @6. It isn't, is it? That's because you're a brainless, empty-headed moron, isn't it? What I'm waiting for now is a vacuous, government-inspired, meandering, nonsensical rant. Don't let me down!
May 24th, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 I have a question for you. I am nearly 63 years of age. When has argieland had any credibility?
@17 More likely to be in the cavity where you're supposed to have a brain!
To all that claim the Falkland Islands people do not have the right to determine their own political future....
May 24th, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/sgsm14122.doc.htm
Please note the following Quotes:
“In keeping with the principles of the Charter and subsequent mandating resolutions, the international community continues it efforts to make tangible progress in assisting those territories to achieve self-determination”
There are NO exceptions when it comes to the right of self-determination. NO EXCEPTIONS. Definitive proof. You can't deny this now.
I bet they will though.
May 24th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 DB
May 24th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't seem to have had made much of a difference. Like MLA Cheek says, a large portion of the 14 million pound surplus is down to fishing revenue.
What's wrong with you deadbeats? You can't even steal the fish properly let alone catch it legitimately. What a minute; deadbeats, DB. Dany Berger, DB. Mmmm.
- 1833 The English pirates invaded the islands, expelled the argentines and did not allow their return ever since. Look how many argentines are living there... And if this is all lies, like some argue, then why are many countries supporting Argentina? Why is the UN aking Arg and the UK to negotiate to put and end to this colonial situation?
May 24th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- The invasion violated argentine territorial integrity, fact that makes the self determination principle not applicable to the non-colonized occupants in the colonized territory. Resolution 1514 (XV) sixt paragraph.
- Resolution 2065 (XX) 1965 plus: 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) y 1988 (43/25): There´s a sovereignty dispute between TWO PARTIES (no islanders). There´s no mention to the islanders wihes, but interests. If the UN considers any right of self determination to the islanders, why isn´t it even consider them as part of the dispute. Cos they´re not, they have not such a right. They´re what´s in dispute.
If you want to enjoy your self determination rights, we invite you to go back to Britain and enjoy it there. If you stay, keep in mind sooner or later you´ll have to stop violating Argentine territorial integrity.
Thank you!
22 Islas Malvinas
May 24th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we presume you can take advice,,as well as giveit,lamos.
If you want to enjoy your self determination rights, we invite you to go back to Spain, or wherein you came from and enjoy it there. If you stay, keep in mind sooner or later you’ll have to stop violating British .territorial integrity.
@23 Argentina resolved its colonial situation (except for Malvinas, of course) so it´s population has no need to demand self determination rights no more. We support the inviolability of Britih territory. What does it have to do with Malvinas?
May 24th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 024
May 24th, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't understand territorial integrity do you? How come there are dozens of island groups in the world that are either wholly independent or part of the sovereign territory of countries other than the geographically closest. There is no territorial integrity dispute.
No Argentine civilian population was expelled, just a small military presence that had been there 3 months and already had managed to murder their captain in front of his wife and child. The civilian population (Vernet group) independent, were encouraged to stay, and all but four did.
The UN want ARG and the UK to discuss their differences, nowhere do they suggest one or the other claim is stronger, and despite your claims, it is very clear in the Decolonization documentation that self-determination is paramount.
It's a pity your mind is closed. Las Malvinas doesn't exist, it never existed, and likely never will, yet you spend so much of your time trying to defend a position that is bullshit.
Wasting your life on a fantasy.
Good Lord Islas Malvinas, you really are an utter moron. The UN does not, as you contend, support Argentina. The UN general assembly supports a peaceful resolution. It is the hight of Argentine arrogance that leads to you assuming that the UN general assemblies standing commitment to peace translate into anything other than a desire than a peaceful outcome, ANY outcome.
May 24th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only nations that seem to support Argentine claims are your Latin American solidarity cult. Which doesn't really count for much, seeing as such support is predicated entirely on some absurd notion of regional solidarity rather than a calm and objective assessment of the historical facts and/or any principals. Argentina's claim to the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwhich Islands is entirely about resources. It has nothing to do with colonialism and it certainly has nothing to do with any high falutin principles. Just avarice and greed backed up by a bunch of mercinary guachos who planted a flag in some land >160 years ago and were dumb ebnough to thing that, that was the end of that. If only territorial land claims were that simple, All of the Americas would belong to Spain.
I tire of you morons, I really, REALLY do! >:¬@
Islas Malvinas. You continue to spout the usual propaganda that you have been indoctrinated with.
May 24th, 2012 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0None of it will hold up in a court of law, the ICJ to be precise, which is successive Argentine governments have refused to let the arbitrate the Soveignty issue.
All the resolutions you quote ceased to be valid in any shape or form when Argentina illegally invaded the Falklands in 1982. Argentina then ignored 2 UN resolutions telling them to leave, leaving the UK no option but to force you to leave to protect the lives and liberty of the Islanders, who your government were going to ethnically cleanse.
Keep quoting them until you are blue in the face, but Argentina itself put an end to these resolutions.
Now to the subject at hand. Argentina yet again breaking international laws and treaties.
Hands up anyone who is surprised by this!
Oh, and the day everyone who isn't descended from native South American tribes leaves to return to their country of origin, then the Falklanders may give leaving the Falklands some thought. It will be a brief thought, because as there were no native inhabitants, they are now considered the true and native inhabitants of the islands.
You Argtards always make me laugh, with you contradictions, double standards and complete ignorance of true historical facts.
Try to remember that all Argentina has is allegations, which they invented themselves, where Britain has evidence - documented evidenced regarding the islands going back to before Argentina existed. And that's why your politicians won't go to court, they know they're talking abolute bollocks.
But at least the Falklands issue is good for diverting the brain dead masses, such as yourself, away from the fact that CFK and her government have robbed you all blind, stolen your pensions, and are currently ruining what's left of the Argentine economy and dragging you all into the gutter.
Have a nice day. I hope it isn't too cold for you, as I understand that fuel is an issue.
see,
May 24th, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you can learn a lot from the brits,
unless you choose to close your mind to the truth .
You will understand my aversion to learning about territorial integrity and self determination from members of the British Empire. Doing such a thing would be quite a contradiction given the Empire sucesive violation to both principles along history. You will agree with that, I believe.
May 24th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for understanding.
islas Malvinas “i find your lack of faith in the empire disturbing ”
May 24th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islas
May 24th, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the admission that you are unwilling to learn, I think most had come to that conclusion.
I am sure you are equally unwilling to learn about the territorial rights of the indigenous South American people's, and their rights not to be subjected to genocide.
You unwillingness to learn, to see the weakness, hypocrisy and flaws in your argument is why you will continue to live in ignorance, and the Falkland Islands will continue to live as they do, independent in all but defence.
Sadly, it is your (Argentinas) aversion to learning that has left Argentina with absolutely nothing with respect to the Falklands, which is exactly how it is likely to stay.
My friends, let me clarify to avoid any missunderstanding (if there actualy was place for any missunderstanding).
May 24th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no lack of willingness to learn anything.
My aversion is not to learn, but WHOM to learn from.
Cheers!
@22 I understand now. You are beyond help. You are beyond rationality. You bring out points and people explain, as politely as your intransigence and their patience permits, why you don't have it right. In Britain, your subsequent responses would probably get you “sectioned”. This is our term for the legal process by which an individual exhibiting symptoms of mental illness is involuntarily committed, by a court, to a mental institution. This is the state that you are in and I strongly recommend that you seek psychiatric help.
May 24th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Incontrovertible facts have been pointed out on this board on innumerable occasions and yet you persist with your mantra in defiance of all reason.
One last time. There were no “English pirates” in 1833. There was a mission by vessels of the Royal Navy to re-establish British rule on the Islands. Re-established because the British first arrived on the Islands in 1690 and claimed sovereignty in 1765. Anybody from the continental mainland who subsequently attempted to settle without obtaining British authorisation were no more than trespassers. The number of people who left in 1833 was 4. Just that 4. No more. Your story is just that. A story. Concocted initially by some clown called Peron who was expecting Britain to lose WW2. You will need to list all the countries that have publicly supported argies and show that they have not been swayed by argie lies or hopes of profit.
Your so-called territorial integrity cannot, by definition, include territory that already belonged to someone else. In this case, Britain.
NONE of your UNGAs are relevant. Because all UNGAs are NON-BINDING. No-one has to pay the slightest attention to them.
Records show that there have now been at least NINE generations of Islanders. They cannot go back to Britain because they didn't come from Britain. Their ancestors did.
So they will stay on THEIR land. And argies can do NOTHING. Get used to it.
Don't bother to reiterate your delusions. No-one cares!
32 Islas Malvinas (
May 24th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My friends, let me clarify
I have no lack of willingness to learn anything.
[[My aversion is not to learn,]]
but WHOM to learn from.
If you want the truth, you may learn from the brits,
If you want delusions
Then you may learn from CFK,
.
@33 So they will stay on THEIR land.
May 24th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes indeed. And we argies want to do NOTHING about it.
My suggestion to go back to Britan was only in the case they want to use their right of self determination. No argentine goes to Britain and claims self determination there... why would a british do that in Argentina?
Our claim is over the islands, not the islanders.
We don´t understand each other we won´t be able to move anywhere with this.
And I see much impropriate language, contrary to what one would expect from English gentleman.
@29 - Islas Malvinas.
May 24th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really have a cheek, a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Your country was founded by an imperialistic country, whose brutality towards the native inhabitants was second to none. Yes, the Spanish Empire committed acts of genocide that made the British look like fluffy bunnies in comparison, and all in the name of the glorious Catholic church.
You really should learn history. Every nation on Earth has good and bad in their pasts. Like a true Argtard, you deflect your arguments from the subject at hand of which you know you have no defence, onto the 'evil' British Empire.
Well the British Empire is long dead, and it did some bad things, but it also did some good things too. In fact, too many to list with number of characters allowed in a post.
Since Argentina gained it's independence from Spain, I have yet to find any 'good' things you have done.
In fact, Argentina has committed genocide against the native tribes of South America, stolen lands from the countries that border you, murdered an estimated 30,000 of your own people, invaded and threatened to ethnically cleanse the Falkland Islands, flouted international law and treaties at every turn, refuse to pay back loans you have taken, steal off your own people and steal companies that belong to other countries.
And they're the one's I could think of, off the top of my heads.
All in all, not a good record is it.
Islas
May 24th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You (or at least Argentina) claim you want “negotiations”, but you are unwilling (by your own admission) to listen to, or learn about, the point of view of the party you wish to negotiate with.
It is exactly that attitude that has left Argentina with nothing. It is exactly that attitude that will continue to leave Argentina with nothing.
If you had the opposite attitude. I.e. You were prepared to listen and learn, you could have had “something”. not sovereignty..never going to happen, but better deals on fisheries, hydrocarbons and ultimately peace.
However, you self-confessed inability to learn, leaves you with nothing...it was ever thus.
@36 I know about my country´s history. But thanks.
May 24th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes indeed we were founded by the Spanish Empire. Empire we fought against and enjoying our self determination rights (wich you cant enjoy in Argentina) we became independent.
Now only the British Empire is still there in our land...
And - again - I´m not gonna take any learning about territorial integrity, self determination or genicide from members of the British Empire.
Islas
May 24th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What makes the islands “your land”. Nothing.
Is it British land...no not really.
They are the Falkland Islands...owned by the islanders. The 180 year inhabitants.
Before that 180 years, French, British and Spanish civilian population came and went. There was never an Argentine civilian population.
Until you get past the “your lands” idea, and learn the point of view of others..you will have nothing.
But you won't learn, you already admit that...so NOTHING it is.
Long Live Scotland ********* Long Live Republic.
May 24th, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 Islas. For my information, in which year was Argentina first actually called Argentina? Over to you.
May 24th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 I'm not an English gentlemen. I'm a British bastard. I kill bits of sh*te that offend me. I am easily offended. Get the picture?
May 24th, 2012 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 If you look up some history, you'll find that the British Empire ended some time ago. This demonstrates your lack of connection with reality. By definition, the British Empires (there have been two) ended in 1997.
So the “British Empire” is not in “your land”. How lucky are you that we are now so restrained? At the moment we don't need another cesspit. We have Scotland. But when we want more, we'll come and take what we want from you. Like you could do anything about it! Enjoy the land, for the time being, until we want it. Then we will follow your example and exterminate anyone who stands in our way.
35 I'm not an English gentlemen. I'm a British bastard. I kill bits of sh*te that offend me. I am easily offended. Get the picture?
May 25th, 2012 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who gives a DAMN about you,unemployed hooligan..
Just get a job: GET LOST!
cesspit. We have Scotland. But when we want more, we'll come and take what we want from you.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHA
uk tried: 1806/1807/1847 Argentina 3 ---uk 0
AHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAH
Poor deluded unemployed...
@Martin Woodhead. May the force be with you. 30 years ago- I remember the headline “The Empire strikes back” LOL.
May 25th, 2012 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@islas Malvinas-so you support ethnic cleansing - that will go down well at the UN if you try to play that card......................
The Argentine argument is based on lies, omission and distortion. The biggest of which is the lie about what happened in 1833. The settlers had been given permission to set up a colony- not annex the islands for the United Provinces.
This act was protested at the time by HMG. So why are you so incensed and apparently surprised by the arrival of the RN to evict the implanted garrison?- Oh, course, Argentina thinks it can just claim anything it likes and get away with it. Any opposition to this is “illegal”.
The whole “Britain had an Empire once” argument is a bit thin really - why don't you talk about the reality on the groiund NOW - Oh, you can't because your position is poor and you can't justify your countries greed for other peoples land.
Would you back a bid for the UK to reclaim Heliogoland back from Germany?
@ malvibaby -have they changed your prescription? Looks like the latest meds are'nt working so well.
43 Malvinero1
May 25th, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah Malvibaby, your posts are up to their usual high standard I see.
You would do well to take notice of what my friend shb is trying to tell you at 44. Read and enjoy, it might open your mind. Remember “Knowledge will set you free”
they cant read, as they cant think , they cant talk , they cant do nothing, unless they are told to, they are in fact, indocrinated,
May 25th, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0brain washed, and loyal puppies to CFK ,
and guess what,
they cant even deny it .
@42 “want more, we'll come and take what we want from you. Like you could do anything about it! Enjoy the land, for the time being, until we want it” So... the Empire is over. Yes.
May 25th, 2012 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 Islas Malvinas.
May 25th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'I know about my country´s history. But thanks.
Yes indeed we were founded by the Spanish Empire. Empire we fought against and enjoying our self determination rights (wich you cant enjoy in Argentina) we became independent.'
Yes you got your independance from Spain, but then in true Spanish style you eradicated the native population of the land, which you then stole.
Argentina then decided that this wasn't enough and stole land from other's who had also gained their independance from Spain. You have constantly condemned the British for acts our ancestors did, but refuse to accept that your ancestors were just as bad, if not worse.
And now Argentina is trying to expand it's borders yet again, acting as colonial aggressors, against a people who have lived and worked on the islands for longer than Argentina existed.
All the Falklanders want is to be left alone by Argentina. You have lied, cheated and broken treaties on the world stage and have no credibility as a country any more. It will take decades to restore any faith in Argentina, from the international community's point of view, assuming you actually ever get a government that doesn't continually rob you all blind.
I do feel sorry for you all, but then again, you bring it all upon yourselves.
@47. Well done, you are correct. The British Empire era is over. That is why the smaller parts of the former empire (e.g. Falkland Islands, Saint Helena, etc.) have decided to become British Overseas Territories. This enables them to retain their links with Britain but govern themselves without any interference.
May 25th, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48 “You have constantly condemned the British for acts our ancestors did, but refuse to accept that your ancestors were just as bad, if not worse” I never did that.
May 25th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“People who have lived and worked on the islands for longer than Argentina existed” Are you really that old?
“All the Falklanders want is to be left alone by Argentina”, then leave Argentina.
@49 Falkland Islands: “Special COLONIAL Situation” and “NON SELF GOVERNING Territory” (UN)
@50 - that's how the UN incorrectly interprets the situation. But seeing as the Falkland Islands is classed as one of the 16 “non self-governing” territories in the world this quote ensures that the people of the Falklands do have the right to self-determination.
May 25th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In keeping with the principles of the Charter and subsequent mandating resolutions, the international community continues it efforts to make tangible progress in assisting those territories to achieve self-determination.”
Take special notice of key phrases, such as; “In keeping with the principles of the Charter” and “assisting those territories to achieve self-determination”.
That is an official statement made by the UN Secretary General that was delivered by his Assistant Secretary General to C24.
@50“All the Falklanders want is to be left alone by Argentina”, then leave Argentina.
May 25th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the Falkland Islands are NOT part of Argentina, and as the Falkland Is landers have lived there for 9 generations(ie several generations were born ON the Islands), there is no need for them to leave THEIR country. There is however a need for Argentinians to vacate the land they stole off the original native inhabitants they massacred so that the nearest living relatives can exercise rights over lands the Argentines colonialised. And what about the part of Terra del Fuego (the nearest Argentinian land to the Falkland Isands) that was stolen off Chile? It is not the UN's aim to get those Non-governing territories to transfer to another colonial power-the clearly stated aims are to encourage those countries towards independence, which in the case of the FI, UK has been doing since 1982, with the transfer of more self governing powers to the Falkland Islands. I am unclear to why they are classed as non-governing, as they clearly DO govern themselves.
38 Islas Malvinas I know about my country´s history. But thanks.
May 25th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After independence Argentina annexed most of what is now the Province of Buenos Aires, The Pampa, Argentine Patagonia, and Argentine Tierrra del Fuego, territories which were never Spanish and after doing all that still has the effing cheek to complain that the UK stole from it territories over which Argentina never established any sovereignty.
And the UNGA has never said the Falklands is a special colonial situation.
@ 15 Briton 23@ 27 Leprocy 28 36 46
May 25th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When are you going to stop? Argentinian do not want such poor real estate....Keep the islands you know where...
Briton, in the way you plonker, muppet, numpty, clot, illock, wanker, prat, oik, tosser, twat, I think you want to get the argetnine stiff one in your ass.
Next....
Oh, so Miss Tongue and Cheek, you want negotations on fishing and for the Falklands to have a say on how Argentina catches in her waters??
May 26th, 2012 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0How about a big fat cheek No.
@54SussieUS,
May 26th, 2012 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Silencio, niña(or are you a niño?)
The Adults are talking.
Go and wash your filthy mouth out, then go outside & play.
@50lslas something or other,
Not your land.
Falklands have NEVER been part of Argentina.
NEVER will be part of Argentina.
We reject Argentina completely.
We will not become part of your failed rogue state.
We are getting richer, while you are getting poorer.
Suck it up baby.
I have to say, if you needed to put a picture for the dictionary entry “old British womans”, this Miss Cheek would hands down be the choice.
May 26th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Her features are so prototypically old British country woman it's almost charicaturesque.
Dab, you have a tendency to try to compare Arg history to that of Malvinas. And you will always fail.
May 26th, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 01.- The indigenous in Arg, some were killed in the invasion, others, the most, MIXED, not as in M. where most gauchos were expelled.
2.- We, arg people, differenciate ousrselves of our colonizators, we were and still are, like me, criollos, mestizos,indigenous, etc. Our customs have very much in common with indigenous, like drinking “mate” and eating “asado”.
3.- When S.A. got independence, all the new countries fought for the land and were disputes over the territory. But was a problem, between us, the mixed people. No foreigner colonizators, from abroad of this region.
And remember that in SA, first arrived the spanish, for ex in 1500 Magallane to the extreme south, that of the straight of Magallanes. They considered their land to all places that they “discovered”.
54 SussieUS
May 26th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike you,
I won’t lower my self to your gutter trip,
You are just a child yet to grow up,
So please, , little one,
Go to be, and leave the conversation to the grown ups,
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1 No Malen, it’s not about what Spain did in what became the viceroyalty. It’s not about what Argentina did inside Argentina, but what Argentina did outside Argentina. Argentina stole territories that were never Spanish. That you are now a single country, that you all consider yourselves Argentine, and that there is some mixing of races does not alter the fact that Argentina stole territories that weren’t part of Argentina.
May 26th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the Gauchos were not expelled, as you know very well.
2 Eating asado indigenous to SA? Cattle were introduced to SA by Europeans. The method of cooking probably originated in the Caribbean and was taken to the rest of the Americas by Europeans. Anyhow, your point isn’t even relevant
3 My point was not about territorial disputes with other former Spanish colonies. The territories I mentioned were not former Spanish colonies. It was about Argentina invading territories which were never Spanish. Argentina stole huge amounts of territory after independence.
Discovery by itself does not establish sovereignty. It must be followed by occupation.
In 1648 Spain signed the Treaty of Münster recognising the independence of the Netherlands. In that treaty Spain accepted that its territories were those it held at the time. Not all the the territories it had discovered. Not the territories allocated to it by the Papal Bulls/Treaty of Tordesillas. Only those it held. In 1648 Spain did not hold the southern part of South America and it did not hold the Falklands, so by signing the Treaty of Münster Spain accepted those territories were not Spanish.
“Arg stole territories that werent spanish” suppose you are right, they were indigenous, we were also indigenous and criollos, and mestizos, we were all southamericans, right?????? The indigenous are part of our country, of our population and of our territory. Southamericans is of southamericans. WHo can say the contrary. Its a fact.
May 26th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the gauchos were not expelled, you wouldnt be british.
About indians here, yes they didnt eat cows, but cook in asado other animals. Its the way of cooking the important thing.
And second you find treaties everywhere from under the closet, terrible kids you are for all you have an strange treaty. Would not sign treaties with you because you are very tricky. Im not historian, but yes the territory was considered spanish in time of the colony, the isles, specifically, were occupied by Spain also, and Arg too.
If you say so
May 26th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mr malin, if you say so .
-“Arg stole territories that werent spanish” suppose you are right, they were indigenous, we were also indigenous and criollos, and mestizos, we were all southamericans, right?????? The indigenous are part of our country, of our population and of our territory. Southamericans is of southamericans. WHo can say the contrary. Its a fact.
May 26th, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They were not your territories until after you annexed them.
French Guiana is French. Aruba and Curacao are Dutch. And the Falklands are British
-If the gauchos were not expelled, you wouldnt be british.
I’m not a Falkland Islander. How many Gauchos do you think there were when Onslow arrived?
-About indians here, yes they didnt eat cows, but cook in asado other animals. Its the way of cooking the important thing.
The way of cooking was introduced in SA by the Spaniards. It is not indigenous to SA. The Spaniards got it from the Caribbean.
-And second you find treaties everywhere from under the closet, terrible kids you are for all you have an strange treaty. Would not sign treaties with you because you are very tricky. Im not historian, but yes the territory was considered spanish in time of the colony, the isles, specifically, were occupied by Spain also, and Arg too.
The Treaty of Münster was signed by Spain, not the UK. The territories I mentioned were never Spanish except in Spanish fantasies because Spain never conquered them. Both Spain and Argentina only ever occupied Port Louis which is only a small part of the Falklands. They never occupied the whole archipelago. And Spain never transferred its claim to Argentina.
@61 You refer to gauchos kicked off the Falkland Islands. Do you refer to 1833? If so they were specifically asked by the British to stay, and they did, they were not expelled. That is an Argentine fairy story. As for your comment on 'British' as you must know if you have studied the Falkland Islands, their population origins were not entirely from British people. There was in fact a multi-racial mix. The fact that nationalities other than the British lived in the Falkland Islands do not prevent them from being British. Most countries have a mix of nationalities but that does not in itself dictate who the country is governed by. There are for example many British derived families in Argentina, but that does not make Argentina British.
May 26th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 064# the one who stay were Gaucho River and a few more that were expelled too after they killed the militar administrator from the UK and put the Argentine flag again...they resist 3 months till the UK send more forces and expelled them too...
May 26th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0about this articule, how much hipocrecy can the british be?...in the same time the british has overcharged of licenses to fishing boats to win more money...
The biologist Mike Bingham who is From the UK had proved in the past that the penguins in the islands were dying because they didnt have fish to eat, but in the same Inform he said in Argentina And Chile the penguins were fine...
and he was tried to be killed because of saying that, you dont have to believe me search his inform and his interviews and you'll see the one who are preying the fishes are the british and not argentina
Searinox, there was no military administrator. They were simply murderers who murdered their fellow settlers including one of their own accomplices. They were removed because they were murderers.
May 26th, 2012 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65 Searinox,
May 26th, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story, eh Searinox?
Don't believe all that the Argentine government tells you.
Do your own research.
It's our fish and we can fish them to extinction if we want, the more fish we catch the less theft from brits, let's just say we have to prevent pirates from making any money of our fish, it's time all Argentine's took advantage of the fish in their ocean and join the Worlds fishing industry. Let's fish them all before BP pollutes them.
May 27th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For you Dab:
May 27th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im neither an expert in history not in cooking.
But.....lets google
* ASADO cttle was introduced by Spain as you said, here they were living free, it was called cimarrón, and people killed it for its leather and to eat its “lengua and caracú”. Gauchos and criollos then used to cook it “a las brasas” making a hole on the earth. Asado is not a spanish method, but a criollo & typical gaucho one.In Spain they have other typical food.
http://cocinabuenosaires.blogspot.com.ar/2007/11/historia-del-asado-argentino.html
* And Patagonia was part of Intendencia of Buenos Aires, with Intendencia of Salta, Intendencia of Córdoba etc were part of Virreinato del Río de la Plata. It was created by Spain in 1776 by Carlos III.
http://cocinabuenosaires.blogspot.com.ar/2007/11/historia-del-asado-argentino.html
68 Pirat-Hunter
May 27th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's our fish and we can fish them to extinction if we want
Bad. the response of human that destroys everything he dislikes,
…………………………………………..
You then have no objections, if other wish to make you extinct then, have you .
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Malen, I never said the method of cooking asado originated in Spain, I said it originated in the Caribbean and that Spaniards took it to SA. And I was referring to cooking on a grill (a la parilla), like the picture in your link, the method used by most Argentines today as far as I can tell, not cooking in a hole in the ground. What percentage of Argentines today use the hole in the ground method on a regular basis compared to those who use the grill?
May 27th, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And your evidence for the territory of Viceroyalty is a modern day blog with no sources and a schoolboy drawing for a map. Do you really expect people to take it seriously?
The method of cooking asado in Arg is argentine, originated of gauchos and criollos. Anyway if you think it is caribbean,You can think what you want.
May 28th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the method is cooking an entire “costillar” or parts of it “a la cruz” or “a la estaca”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYvKvUJNm8c
grupos.emagister.com/imagen/asado_criollo/2036-201640
It is said they eat meat almost crude, not well cooked, and using only a knife, because the life of gauchos was very erratic, they were living from one place to another, some of them.
If you are in a “estancia” or “campo” or in a “restaurant” you will eat that way of cooking asado.
But if you live in a house you cook parts of meat “a la parrilla”, because is more easy and more common for everybody nowadays. There are people that cook asado in estaca or cruz, but you need a big garden.
about the map yes take it seriously, it is not a schoolboy map. It is taken from another map of that time.
@70
May 28th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No negotiations with the Falklands about Argentine territorial waters. Not now and never will.
Miss Cheek will never see a regional grouping to help the Falklands, or “other countries in the region” (notice she could not bring to mention Argentina), or the rest of the world.
It's argentine waters, learn to respect it.
Malen, that is not a 18th century map. And Patagonia was Spanish only in Spanish and Argentine fantasies. Spain never managed to conquer it. Argentina had no control over it when it declared independence.
May 28th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@74
May 28th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But we have control now.
I see the argie flag flying all over Patagonia... Ushuaia, Rio Gallegos, Calafate, San Julian, Puerto Deseado, Trelew, Rawson, Madryn, Comodoro Rivadavia, Bariloche, Esquel, Viedma, General Roca, Villa Regina, Neuquen, Malargue, Patagones...
How everyone here rolls and writhes in agony and abomination at that thought.
We don't give monkey's about the above list. The main point being you don't have the FALKLANDS , S. GEORGIA and the S. SANDWICH ISLANDS and you never will ! Discussion finished on this subject. Now go back to your fishing stocks which you seem hell bent on depleting
May 28th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina refuses to cooperate with the Falkland Islands government on this issue, it is just one more example of how Argentina's current “carrot-and-stick” approach to the Falkland Islands are really lots of stick and no carrot. While CFK, Amb Castro and others might talk about confidence-building measures for FI towards Argentina, its on the mundane issues like this fish sustainability issue where their vague promises founder.
May 28th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 073 tobias
May 28th, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have no interest in Argentine territorial waters
Only British waters,
But then you knew that all along did you not .
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www.asadoresalaestaca.com.ar
May 28th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We eat more meat than fish.
and thats your underlying problem, [oliver]
May 28th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to much meat lol.
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May 29th, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/pages/Keep-the-Falklands-British/123151384435619?sk=wall&filter=3
@ 1 Strait Ass @56 Isolde (#) @ 59 Briton (#)
May 29th, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0189 years for this islanders to start the fisheries 25 years ago?...
Give me a break!...Why are so slow in developing business?...
The argentine fisheries is 700,000 squares miles, the largest and richest in world. On 4/30/2010 The Korean Jigger 315 Sun Hac was caught by the argentine goverment with 80 tons of illegal frozen squid..if not the Koreans maybe the Yapis are bothering the Islanders and they don't know the difference....
@82 SussieUS
May 30th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whoa there, BS alert!!! “The argentine fisheries is 700,000 squares miles, the largest and richest in world.” where did you get this FACT from?????
189 years for this islanders to start the fisheries 25 years ago?...
May 30th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give me a break!...Why are so slow in developing business?...
SussieUS,
There was no 200nmi EEZ in international law 189 years ago. There was no agreement on a 200nmi EEZ until 1982
I'm going to repost something tobias said on another thread, that I'm surprised hasn't come up here
May 31st, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0”The Falkland's Government is becoming expert at talking out of their arse. On the same day it seems they announce a “record bumber fish crop” (INCLUDING the well-disussed Ibex which must travel through Argentina before reaching the Falklands), and then accuse Argentina of overfishing and demand, basically, that Argentina close its fishing industry entirely”
@83 v for victory,
Jun 01st, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0She/he/it got it out of a book called “The Biggest Argentine Lies in the World”.
@85 B_K,
So why now post it here? oj!, this is about fish, after all
Btw-this must be one of your few postings when you don't mention queen cristina.
Whats happening? are you two drifting apart?
No I support her as much as ever, and she's probably still never heard of me!
Jun 01st, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you write her a poem?
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Send her some flowers by lnterflora.
Maybe some expensive chocolates
Chocolates & flowers work every time!(well, most times. lol).
You never know your luck.
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