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UK reassures support for Gibraltar after major incident with Spain in the Rock’s waters
UK reassured support for Gibraltar following Wednesday night’s incident when several Spanish Guardia Civil vessels and a helicopter were involved in a tense standoff with the Royal Gibraltar Police, the Gibraltar Defence Police and the Royal Navy while the Spanish trawlers tried to cast nets in the Rock’s bay. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIf I asked a girl out and she turned me down, I wouldn't try and rape her. Argentina and Spain would, according to their policies on the Falklands and Gibraltar. “I don't care if you don't want me 'cos I'm yours anyhoooowwww”.
May 25th, 2012 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just a smokescreen from Margallo to deflect attention away from Spain's imploding economy. Picardo is right - they should test their claims at court instead of populist posturing. I know what the Falkland watchers on here will say! ;)
May 25th, 2012 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is the fish in the second photograph the one they were arguing over?
May 25th, 2012 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ He said sovereignty was something to be resolved “exclusively” by the UK and Spain, “without the intervention of the authorities on the Rock”.”
May 25th, 2012 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah because what has it to do with the inhabitants anyway, it's only their lives and their future being discussed....
Spanish fishermen really should have free access to those waters, Gibraltar does seem to be taking the p*** here, not very neighbourly. Though to be fair the Spanish are probably only casting their nets there to make a point, more latino machismo.
May 25th, 2012 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 Alexei. You are talking out of your arse pal. Algeciras fisherman can fish there but not with nets - that's illegal. What gets me is that we have 3 miles of waters and the Spanish have thousands! It's no coincidence that the Spanish are doing this at a time when their economy is going down the pan.
May 25th, 2012 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 oh in that case argentina should give the falklands access to their territorial waters for the falklands fishing fleet to fish. Yeah didn't think you would agree.
May 25th, 2012 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0So please explain to us why the hell gibralter should give up their terrirotial integretity by allowing spanish fishing vessels to fish in gibralters territorial waters, which would at the same time damage fish stocks and gibralters own fishing industry. Does spain let gibralters fishing fleet fish in spanish territorial waters, nope they don't so why should gibralter let spainish fishing tawlers fish in gibralters waters. Also spain ceded gibralter to the UK forever so they have no claim to gibralter or its waters.
This story is actually quite laughable.
May 25th, 2012 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0They don't even try to conceal the purpose as it can't be considered anything but a deliberate provocation.
Have the Spanish really looked at the efforts of CFK and concluded “that's a good idea”
If so I can only conclude that they are a bit thick - especially if the Spanish population laps it up.
It's embarrassing.
@5 - the three miles of water around Gib are included within the United Nations Law of the Sea Convention of 1982 (article 3). In fact under the Convention, Gibraltar is entitled to 12 miles., so taking the p*** is something they are not doing! The water is Gibraltarian - no question.
May 25th, 2012 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fishermen of La Linea have come to an understanding with the Gibraltar Government about the waters around Gib - its a pity that Algeciras can't do the same.
I wonder what would happen if the Morrocans started fishing off the coast of Ceuta? You can bet the Spanish would whinge about that! They are such hypocrites.
May 25th, 2012 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see the second photo with the trophy fish has now gone!
May 25th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Article 3: Breadth of the Territorial Sea
May 25th, 2012 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Every State has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea up to a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles, measured from baselines determined in accordance with this Convention.
Gibraltar is not a State. Why dont you read the Utretch treaty?
@12. UNCLOS, Article 3 states “Every State has the right to establish the breadth of its TERRITORIAL sea up to a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles” Gibraltar is a British Overseas TERRITORY and is therefore recongnised in its own right.
May 25th, 2012 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Under UNCLOS, Spain's TERRITORIAL sea extends for 12 miles around Ceuta. Same principle applies to Gibraltar. Why dont you read the Convention?
GIVE GIBRALTAR BACK TO SPAIN...NOW.
May 25th, 2012 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Territory illegally taken from a sovereign nation!!
It is amazing that Spain has had so much self control and tolerate this injustice for so long!!
Viva España.
@ 14
May 25th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let Spain show us the way
The Spanish Zone
The Spanish protectorate over northern Morocco extended from Larache (El-Araish) on the Atlantic to 30 miles (48 km) beyond Melilla (already a Spanish possession) on the Mediterranean. The mountainous Tamazight-speaking area had often escaped the sultan’s control. Spain also received a strip of desert land in the southwest, known as Tarfaya, adjoining Spanish Sahara. In 1934, when the French occupied southern Morocco, the Spanish took Ifni.
@14
May 25th, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're a twit & you know it.
@14 - Hey retard - Please explain how Gibralter was illegally taken from spain, when it was signed over peacefully by the then king of spain, forever, to britain in the Utreach Treaty?
May 25th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh you can't can you - Guess it was not illegally taken after all then!!
Whats really amazing retard is that the royal navy showed restrait and didn't blow the spanish vessels clean out of the water. Its a pity we did really as we would have been within our right to do so since they refused to leave gibralters territorial sea. If we had it would have taught the spanish a lesson!!
Ceuta and Melilla were spanish when Morocco Kingdom (or State, its up to you) was stablished. It's not the same situation with Gibraltar matter.
May 25th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar is a british colony, Dont have parliamentary representation (uk parliament) and all the proposals to join it to Uk were refused. If Gibraltar has the same rights, Why Gibraltar people cant vote the Uk goverment.
Ceuta and Melilla are part of spanish State like Madrid or Barcelona, for example.
You can see the political status is not the same.
British-spanish relationship about Gibraltar matters is governed by Utretch Treaty, I recomend reading it
17 Believe me!! you would not want a military conflict over This shit rock!! It would not be good for either party or the British interests in Spain.
May 25th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 014 That treaty you can stick it where it fits!! NO ENGLISH COLONIES IN EUROPE NOWWWWWWW!! UNDERSTAND??
@18
May 25th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the Canary Islands?
@20 the same
May 25th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 020. Admiral Nelson tried taking them and lost an arm in the deal!!
May 25th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Best let sleeping dogs lay!!
We see the brain dead cells are out and about,
May 25th, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fact is, Spain is heading for a bloody nose, and no mistake,
Another country lead by fools ,
Still the Spanish may yet vote CFK to become there leader,
22 aussie sunshine
just as we thought ,
you are ??
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@18. What you are saying is just deliberate obfuscation because you know the Gibratarian position is correct. I've read the Treaty of Utrecht (I'm Gibraltarian so it's required reading at school). It says nothing about territorial waters, but UNCLOS does. Now shut up.
May 25th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Utrecht Treaty is invalid ..
May 25th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0None of any Treaties can prolong its mission more than 30/40 years.
“None of any Treaties can prolong its mission more than 30/40 years.”
May 25th, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It always amazes me when some posters just make stuff up - no matter how stupid.
....or does this mean we're back to a state of war with Spain?
@25 “None of any Treaties can prolong its mission more than 30/40 years“
May 25th, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In English,”in perpetuity“ means ”forever”.
You're either a troll - in which case you're really bad at it, or a moron - in which case you're really good at it!
@14 You stupid prick. Why don't you STFU. Gibraltar was ceded by Spain in a treaty Britain can produce. Unlike the argie claim to the Falklands that cannot be demonstrated by any document. You have no idea what you are talking about, never have had, never will have. You are beginning to piss me off now. Watch it!
May 25th, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 Where did you get the idea that you had a clue what you are talking about? Ceuta and Melilla were part of the Kingdom of Fez, one of the four States of the King of Morocco. So give them back! No British Overseas Territory has direct representation in the UK parliament. That's the way we do things in OUR territories. And they have their own governments. And I've read the Treaty of Utrecht. You're talking horsesh*te.
@19 What's it to you? F*** off!
@22 Still beat the crap out of the French and Spanish at Trafalgar. Goes to show that any Brit is worth at least two from any other country.
@25 That's good! The United Nations was established by treaty. So it's invalid and we can do whatever we want!
The Algeciran fishermen are pushing their luck. Their fellow fishermen from La Linea have accepted that nets cannot be used in the Gibraltar territorial to preserve the fish stocks.
May 25th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is not economic protectionism by the Rock, it is a simple matter of ensuring that there is sufficient natural resources and that they continue. The Algeciran fishermen know that they can fish with lines, but not with nets, but they are being greedy.
Under the circumstances, the RGP and Royal Navy are being very tolerant in preventing the matter escalating further.
However, it seems to me that the solution has to be economic. If these Algeciran fishermen are determined to fish with nets, then it would be best that they lost them.
A fishing net (depending on the size) costs thousands of Euros, tens of thousands if big enough. If they are determined to drop nets in Gibraltar waters, then we should see to it that they lose those nets immediately. If their fishing boats enter Gibraltar waters, then a diver or divers should be set down to cut the nets the moment their vessels are stopped.
@29 Sending down divers could be risky. However, you may recall that a method for dealing with sea mines was to deploy a device that cut the mines' tether. Seems like an idea!
May 25th, 2012 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Treaty of Concordia ....1648 ...??
May 25th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are we just randomly naming treaties now?
May 25th, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain seeing what Argentina have done, are trying to divert their public's attention from the economic emergency they face. Their is no other reason to be harassing this peaceful nation.
May 25th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltarian self determination is indisputable and Independence at any time they wish.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/UN_General_Assembly_Resolution_2070
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/UN_General_Assembly_Resolution_2070
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/UN_General_Assembly_Resolution_2070
Aussie Sunshine (everyone's favourite RG troll) please read the wonderful history of the Gibraltarian people before posting rubbish.
& 33
May 25th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Generally the Americans(US) use the “” Steve“” name not English !
”Generally the Americans(US) use the “” Steve“” name not English !”
May 25th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Both a completely pointless and a completely untrue comment.
@29 Nigel, all that is required is to start fitting the RN and RGP boats with these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_cutter_(fisheries_patrol) at next-to-no cost and considerable effect.
May 25th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aussie sinshine is possibly the major idiot in this forum. This “ rock” is very important!!! Read some history!!!!
May 25th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While a net cutter would be nice a torpedo would be more fun.
May 25th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have a good weekend everyone.
@31 max
May 25th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Treaty of Concordia ....1648
And your point is......
Arent you going to send a nuclear submarine there to stop this provocation and protect “your” fish that want to be british???
May 25th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should go and catch the nets of these fishermen from once on. Through some missiles (routine exercises you can say), perhaps they get “enredados” in the nets, but they wont be able to use it again and wont bother you anymore.
@35 Yes, the genius that is Max has decreed that no-one in the UK is called Steve! Best Argentine logic I've seen all day!
May 25th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 Don't bother with UNGA resolutions. In the first place, all UNGA resolutions are non-binding. BUT, even better, Maxie has decreed (25) that no treaties can last more than 30-40 years. As the UN was created by treaties, it is defunct.
May 25th, 2012 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 Apache helicopter gunships are far more fun. Equipped, as you know, with an M230 chain gun that can cut straight through the hull of a boat. It also carries the CRV7 rockets with flechette rounds. The British Army has 8 squadrons of Apaches. Apaches can, of course, reach any Spanish vessel (Spanish navy, Guardia Civil, fishing boat, joyriding jet skis etc) far faster than any British vessel. Generally cruises at around 160mph.
@42 - and what's more Prince Harry is a qualified Apache pilot. Maybe he'd fancy a bit of target practice!
May 25th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41Sendec
May 25th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well I be be, fancy that! I've been calling my brother Steve for over 50 years and the plonkers been replying. He's not going to take this well, neither is his, wife, children and grandchildren.
& 44
May 25th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Identity card name is “ Stephen ” not “ Steve ” !
@45 I believe you are required to show your full name. And that's “Maxine”, isn't it, sweetie.
May 25th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain relies on uk tourism massively, we spend one hell of a lot of money there every year, the last thing spain will want to do right now is mess with that.
May 25th, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 46
May 25th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maximily !
This is a free society, we have not carried ID cards since the end of the second world war.
May 25th, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 49
May 25th, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course you are free society all of your identities hoarded in MI 6 depots.
Of course you are free society you can not elect your “ head of state” freely.
No we do not elect our head of state, by our own choice. We were a republic once, we did not like it and invited the Monarchy to come back. They have been here ever since. You really do not know much about us do you?
May 25th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fancy not knowing that Brits do not carry ID cards
I suppose, by your laws you have to carry one? or you would not have mentioned them. So you see, I have greater freedoms than you, freedom to be an individual, not a photograph on some government document.
& 51
May 25th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must pretend “ more loyalist than king ”” becouse you are afraid of MI 6 who tracks almost all of your interviews.
@36 Yes the net cutter would do the job very effectively, but Royal Navy vessels are not equipped with them. Moreover, if the vessel having its nets cut went back into Spanish territory just as the nets were cut, then that would cause a diplomatic incident. If the nets were cut whilst in Gibraltar waters, or more specifically whilst the vessel is under arrest, then there can be no argument that the fishing vessel was at fault for being there.
May 25th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Torpedo would be a bit much. As for nuclear submarines, there's normally one or two SSNs in attendance at the Rock. Sometimes British, sometimes American!
As for those posters who claim that the Treaty of Utrecht only lasted 30 years (laughable) or that the UN Resolutions have any force at all, considering that they are contrary to Article 1 of the UN Charter and the right of the Gibraltarians to Self-Determination, then it is perfectly correct for Britain to protect the rights of the Gibraltarians to determine their own destiny. Spain gave up any rights to the Rock or her people when they ceded the title in perpetuity to Great Britain in 1713 and that is the end of it. If Spain wants to make an issue of it, then they'll find out like Argentina, that Britain fought 2 world wars and the Falklands war to protect the rights of individuals to determine their own destiny.
53 The Treaty Of Utrecht is just dunny paper!! I wish I had the treaty right now I could use some dunny paper!!
May 25th, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It wishes it had some dunny paper because shit is leaking out of its brain.
May 25th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@54 aussie sunshine (RG)
May 26th, 2012 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0In a desperate attempt to appear more Australian, starts using the word 'dunny'... A bit like someone pretending to be Scottish and turning up in a Kilt.
Welcome back, argentine sunshine,
May 26th, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you remembered the name of that hot wind that sweeps through Melbourne in the summer?
You've had enough time by now to fly from BsAs to Melbourne(where you say that you come from,ha ha)to find out.
So come on, Mr Melbournite, enlighten us all with your new knowledge.
l have lived in Australia & l say that you are a fake.
40 instead of through some missiles, it is throw some missiles (the mistake was they are pronnounced in the same way)
May 26th, 2012 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and Spain why dont you make a decree not letting gibraltarian ships entering to spanish ports, Gibraltar is a bot, they should use the british flag, they bother you not letting you fish, bother you them.
These brits are so pathetics.
@50, 52 If you were up-to-date, you would know that MI6 does not exist. That's the only clue I'm giving. See whether you can work it out. There is an organisation, but it does not operate in the UK.
May 26th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58 “through” and “throw” are not pronounced in the same way, moron. Spain can't do that because it's in the EU. Free movement, you know. But the next step will be to (accidentally) sink some spanish fishing boats. We can watch them fishing from the seabed. Argies might want to note. That submarine isn't there for fun. But think of all those (terrible) accidents where fishing boats have got their nets tangled with submarines and been dragged under. Next time an argie fishing boat doesn't come back, think on!
he is not australian
May 26th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he is an argie, in argentina, pretending to be elsewhere ,
and thinks we will fall for it,
silly boy,
we all know aussie immigration does not let in banned items,
including him or her .lol
( 59 )
May 26th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MI6 does operate in UK.
so does the m52,
May 26th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the point .
these are only its branches..branches...branches.
May 26th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what branches
May 26th, 2012 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not all the spooks are name,
are they not
I remember back when Canada had problems with Spanish fishermen we seized a boat and arrested the crew and I believe the dispute was solved not long after. Direct action seems to be the only thing Spaniards understand
May 26th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65 Oh! How brave you are! Direct action! Here in Spain we understand perfectly what are our rights. We will defend them everywhere. A treaty or deal betwin two countries is above any UN resolution, and in this case there is one. In this one, only harbour waters belong to Gibraltar, so...
May 26th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@66. Spain is a nation that thinks its OK, in the 21st century, to throw goats off the tops of towers and torture bulls. No surprise to anyone that spaniards also have no regard for their peaceful neighbours. Long live Gibraltar!
May 26th, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 057 I am just a Melbourne boy!! There have been a lot of hot summer winds this summer but blimey I do not know what the blasted wind is called!! TELL ME.. hahaha
May 26th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 067 The same way you hunt foxes and run horses to their death in so
called “ Horse races” by the way I hate bullfights and anything that makes animals suffer!!
65 it is not the same, It is not about the fish, it is about Gibraltar..who cares a sh*** about fish... IT IS POLITICS.
@68argentine sunshine,
May 26th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why should l tell you?
lf you really come from Melbourne as you say, then you would know.
You obviously don't know, ergo you don't come from Melbourne.
Not too many Aussies say “blimey” anymore.
Thats about 2 generations back.
When you're in a hole amigo, stop digging.
Anyone that was truly from Australia would know that Fox hunting has been illegal in the UK since February 2005.
May 27th, 2012 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone from Australia (where they race as many horses as they do over here or in any other country) would know that horses die in horse racing just as much as they do in their paddocks at home. Horses die - life is a fatal disease.
Everyone on the board knows that aussie sunshine is really an idiot from Argentina, so carry on baiting him, because he wants to play the fool.
He must have been dropped on his head at birth to be such a moron.
@66
May 27th, 2012 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your understanding of your rights seems to be to do whatever you can get away with. Spain signed the UNCLOS, and now disregards it when it comes to Gibralter. As for disregarding Gib's ban on netting to preserve fish stocks, it's no surprise Spanish fishermen would ignore such a law to continue stripping the oceans bare.
@66 “. A treaty or deal betwin [sic] two countries is above any UN resolution”
May 27th, 2012 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a ridiculous statement. UNCLOS is not a UN resolution - it sets maritime boundaries and The UK and Spain are signatories.
Are you aware that its illegal in Alcegiras to fish with trawl nets, but Canete was in Algeciras last week encouraging the fishermen to trawl in Gibraltar waters?
It's a shame that the fishermen in Algeciras are being used as a smokescreen by the PP to hide Spain's economic problems.
@72 Spanish fishers meet absolutely all EU legal requirements. In the case that not, is EU responsibility to punish Spain in an economical way. Neither UK nor Gibraltar have legal authority to resolve this kind of contentious.
May 27th, 2012 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand Gibraltar and UK authorities are not respecting spanish borders and the Treaty of Utrecht.
@73. I'm getting a bit bored of repeating myself - it's clearly not sinking in is it? The Treaty of Utrecht does not mention territorial waters but UNCLOS defines territorial waters. Spain and the UK are both signatories.
May 27th, 2012 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain's reliance on Utrecht in this regard is rendered unfounded by virtue of Article 310 of UNCLOS. I suggest you familiarise yourself with it before posting more inaccuracies.
You might want to ask yourself why invitations from successive Gibraltarian governments (most recently Mr Picardo last week) for Spain to litigate the claims is met with silence?
What Spain should do is a “ Green March” like Morocco did with The Spanish
May 27th, 2012 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sahara colony. Where thousands of Moroccons marched into the colony and Spain had to evacuate. Thousands of Spanish should march into Gibraltar..NOW.
69 HAHAHAH not such thing as summer winds!!?? hey GOTCHA!
70 The only Moron on this site is you!! but you don´t know it yet..hahahaha
@75argentine sunshine,
May 27th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are pathetic,
Your English is stilted. You are not an Aussie.
Why don't you google the wind, you may find the answer?
lf you can't l may tell you then you can google that.
Why didn't you pretend to be Chinese? l couldn't have trapped you then. lol lol lol lol
Seems the only common denominator in every British international dispute, is the brits themselves... Either the world is wrong, or you are :)
May 27th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@77. “Seems the only common denominator in every British international dispute, is the brits themselves...”
May 27th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Err....yes, because it wouldn't be a BRITISH international dispute otherwise would it!
Maybe you could put that dormant organ inside your head to better use, and just concentrate on breathing.
Could be that the common denominator was the world being wrong, falsely accusing the brits for being colonialists...
May 27th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My fault for not thinking for you, I beg your pardon...
The only true colonialist in the 21st century, are those that want an empire but cannot have one,
May 27th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Losers a normally envy, with jealousy
And we expect nothing less .
Change the subject.
79 Guzz (#) I take your one of those Spanish speaking, European looking native American Indians Guzz? and the the word colonialists.... only applies to the white settlers who trashed the locals and took the land from under their feet? ;-)
May 28th, 2012 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Black Cat
May 28th, 2012 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody is having a go at you for killing Indians in North America...
I'm talking about present colonization, not past one. We are a product of Spanish colonization, not colonialists ourselves. You are colonialists to this day...
I'm not proud of what the Spaniards, and the first Uruguayan governments, did to the natives, and I don't defend it. You, on the other half, DO defend the British colonizations. Again, do not project your colonialism on me
82 Guzz (#) Sorry guzz, but there aren't many Celtics in the colonization game pal, but plenty on the receiving end of attempted genocide but we don't hate history we try and learn from it! you see your hands are not clean enough to make the statements you make, I'm sorry but I advise you to drop the colonization rhetoric (old hat). You see you have a conscious choice to give back what your descendants have wrongfully taken and return to your roots, you choose not to.....it shouts all I need to hear, If we turn your argument against you, your can be accused as a illegal squatter on historically stolen lands taken illegally through uninvited warfare . Your sharp, quick witted and your style of argument is one I like, though the base line you defend and attack from is fundamentally flawed try another line of attack. ;-)
May 28th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does it matter who they are,
May 28th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They could be colonist, they could be prisoners
They could be French or German,
They could even be from the planet mars,
But the FACT is,
They are NOT Argentinean, full stop.
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If the Spaniards insist in fishing in Gibraltar waters, then the UK should reciprocate by banning Spanish fishing vessels in UK -( Scottish West coast waters). Nearly all the hake and shellfish consumed in Spain come from this region. I don't think that this would be to the Spaniards advantage !
May 28th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would mean massive unemployment in their region of Galicia where most of their trawlers are based.
as long as we have the euro loving clegg,
May 28th, 2012 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the spannish will push .
Spain is just bullying Gibraltar. Local social network site http://www.GibBook.com launched a viral image asking it's fans both on GibBook and FaceBook fan page to show their support by sharing the image - The image currently has over 1,000 shares!
May 28th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The site also asks it's members to vote for “Do you approve of the principle that Britain and Spain should share sovereignty over Gibraltar?”
Visit GibBook.com to vote and see the results.
Do you approve of the principle that Britain and Spain should share sovereignty over Gibraltar?”
May 28th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[easy]
NO
The question is; Do you, as Gibraltarians, approve of the principle that Britain and Spain should share sovereignty over Gibraltar?”
May 29th, 2012 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Asked and answered. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar_sovereignty_referendum,_2002
@ 12 Riolete - Gibraltar might not be a state, however, if you check the list of countries involved in the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea, you will find that not England is involved, but The United Kingdom of Great Britain - This does include Gibraltar as we are part of it officially!
May 29th, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0spain or argentina, has no rights over these places, its just another exuse to bully the little guy, to divert from their own problems,
May 29th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and seeing the british as weak,
no other exuses are needed .
Hand back Gibraltar to Spain......
May 30th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish are quite used to acting in a highly aggressive way at sea - they tried something similar in may 1995- spanish fishing boats kept encroaching into canadian territorial waters without permission.
Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The situation got so heated that both sides sent patrol ships and frigates ( the spanish publicly lied about this, stating that they were not going to do anything ) to the area after the fishermen on both sides started firing at each other.
One of the spanish patrol ships “accidently” sank 2 of the canadian trawlers by gunfire. The situation was resolved peacefully, but had the potential to turn really nasty.
@:92 after argentina disbands itslf and hands it's land back to the natives and after spain hands back it's north african territories back to morrocco.
@92 argentine sunshine,
Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0l could hand you your hat!
What's the name of that wind melbourne boy?
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