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Argentina thanks Bolivia for its standing support to the Malvinas sovereignty
Argentine vice-president Amado Boudou publicity thanked Bolivia for its standing and unyielding support to Argentina’s claims over the Malvinas and other South Atlantic Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThanks!!!! Mr Evo Morales for Bolivia support to the Malvinas sovereignty.
May 28th, 2012 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Both President Morales and VP Boudou should thank Britain for defending the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands in 1982, because in doing so, the murderous, fascist Argentine Military Junta quickly ended after the Falklands defeat - and then in a domino effect, the Bolivian Military Junta of Luis García Meza also quickly ended.
May 28th, 2012 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Reference:
“Ex espía inglés revela entretelones desconocidos de la guerra de Malvinas”: http://www.lasegunda.com/Noticias/Internacional/2012/05/747771/ex-espia-ingles-revela-entretelones-desconocidos-de-la-guerra-de-malvinas
It would seem that Argentine Vice-President Amado Boudou belongs in prison, judging by the news coming out of Argentina itself.
May 28th, 2012 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also the British kicking of the Napoleonic forces weakened the Spanish grip on South America, enabling the uprisings to occur in the first place.
May 28th, 2012 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0According to 1904 treaty of peace there´s nothing pending between Chile and bolivia. Right now there is just a chuckling bolivian pretension to get a part of chilean territory for free and for that reason they falsely state that the country is undeveloped because of lack of sea (what would be left for Switzerland and Austria). But the real truth is that they are undeveloped because of the goverments they like to choose.
May 28th, 2012 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 090% of the news pieces on the frontpage are about the FI. Enough!
May 28th, 2012 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0YAAAAWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNN!
May 28th, 2012 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 02 JohnN
May 28th, 2012 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Should we thank the British Government for supporting and selling weapons to the murderous, fascist Argentine Military Junta before the war of 1982?
6 Forgetit87 “90% of the news pieces on the frontpage are about the FI. Enough!”
I wonder why.....
“Mr X from Mercopress would have his visit planned and funded by FIG.
At any rate, Cllr Summers said that Mr.X is seen as an important mechanism for putting information about the Falklands into Latin America. It was to the Falklands’ benefit to increase their visibility and Mercopress was instrumental in the effort to put the Falklands case to readers in Latin American Media”
http://www.sartma.com/art_4848_12_192_2.html
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May 28th, 2012 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you heard the phrase “talk is cheap” Marcos. Glad your finally starting to get the name of islands correct. What an odd thing to do also, taking 10 soldiers who were humiliated in defeat and parade them round like heros.
8 - the argentine junta, with argentine people running it, military or not....dont play the no guilt card. I remember the victory celebration in ba after the invasion, a massively popular move with the population, which is one of the reasons the junta planned it. Kircher is doing the same now, drumming up propaganda to hide rg meltdown. a great deal of the German population supported the nazis , a junta or regime does need support so don't buy the victim card, whilst rg,s still slavering over our islands,
May 28th, 2012 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 your enemy's enemy is your friend. The junta were Argentina's worst enemy.. britain ended the Junta and are therefore Britain is the best friend Argentina has ever had. Job done.
May 28th, 2012 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay should thank Britain for gaining its independence (was not Artigas). Argentina should thank Britain for getting rid of the junta (was not the people).
May 28th, 2012 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bolivia should thank Britain for getting rid of the junta, as a product of the domino effect (again, not the Bolivian people).
The sun should thank Britain for making the world spin around its axle (ungrateful sun).
The world should thank Britain for inventing gravity (Newton DID invent it, not only discover).
You British posters here suffer from severe belly-button complex...
@12 And Britain should thank Argentina for what? Nowt. The only thing invented in Argentina is the claim on the Malvinas.
May 28th, 2012 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The all Middle East countries should thank to Britain for..................!
May 28th, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Palestinians should thank Britain their lands were promised to Zionists so they could form a Jewish-only state (Balfour declaration).
May 28th, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chagossians should thank Britain they don't have homes anymore.
Kenyans should thank Britain's many of them don't have penises anymore and were sodomized with knives. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/23/british-empire-crimes-ignore-atrocities
Have you guys ever thought that we don't necessarily help countries for the best but because it serves our purpose? We hope good comes of it, but generally it's self serving. It's wrong, yes, but all other countries do exactly the same, Argentina included, so best not shout any more for fear of a pot : kettle incident.
May 28th, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody would think otheriwse, genius. It is only one of your countryman posting above who's taking credit for transformations that happened in other countries, and saying they should be thanking Britain.
May 28th, 2012 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Morales & Boudou, just a couple of crooks hobnobbing together.
May 28th, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0And he took some malvinas losers with him!
l can hardly believe it!!!
@14 Max (#) May 28th, 2012 - 09:28 am
May 28th, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is relevant to the Falkland Islands because.....................?
Did Britain anticipate or intend the collapse of the Junta, or was it simply a by product of Britain's resolute defence of its territorial integrity and the Islanders right of self determination.
May 28th, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever, the Junta haven't gone away completely, they are still there lurking in the shadows, ready at some point, to introduce free, one way helicopter rides for their most strident Argentine opponents.
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May 28th, 2012 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are right, but SA as a whole is making sure that Simon and his likes NEVER will get even near power again. NUNCA MAS :)
@15 Well, there's some news. Palestinians - one group of “people” that have never existed. Chagossians - another group of “people” that have never existed. As for Kenya, we can rely on a few simple questions. Why do so many serious historians discount the content of the book referred to? Why do so many Kenyans try to emigrate to Britain? Why is this in the Guardian?
May 28th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@17 So tell us, genius, who fostered the treaty that led to the formation of Uruguay? Britain has always been about trade. It's difficult to trade with people who are busy killing each other. The treaty stopped them killing each other. What's wrong with that? No treaty - carry on killing!
@21 yep you should thank us for all the good we've brought to the world. We all know that all countries, including the South American ones, committeed atrocities during that period of time.
May 28th, 2012 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0But we have done something that no other country has ever done before at such a scale. We changed the world and shared our knowledge with different countries. We did things like teach them to build roads, build bettter houses, make better medicines, and many more important things that would take up too much space on this.
Thank you? On a scale you owe the world...
May 28th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides, you can't live on the past few merits you do have, that your ancestors educated themselves doesn't make you a scholar...
“the uprising of Bolivian indigenous women, two centuries ago, against the Spanish crown in 1812.”
May 28th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was a good job they weren't in Argentina or they would have been murdered with the rest of the natives under the laughable desert campaign.
And the drug taking President Morales - what a complete joke he is.
And the ten Malvinas (where TF is that) VETERANS. These pratts LOST the war. I can't stand this crap any longer.
ChrisR
May 28th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You attack the Argentinians for killing the natives, you attack the natives for being drug addicts... I understand you can't take it anymore...
@12 Guzz
May 28th, 2012 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina doesn't even come close to Britain in the world contribution stakes.
And all this empire stuff... your very own forefathers were a vicious bunch of cross-gripping amerindian killers with massive empires in the americas and north of mexico. Anyone would think that only Britain had an empire the way you and your cohorts talk.
Bolivian politics... almost an oxymoron in itself. Poor law makers and worsening human rights. I would not want Morales on my side.. almost a contradiction in his name.
Agreed that Britain has contributed more good to the world than Argentina, but they have also contributed more wrong, and in the scale, you owe the world...
May 28th, 2012 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And don't worry about Morales, with enemies like you, he doesn't need many friends...
“heroic deeds”? umm... what heroic deeds have they done, i can't think of any?
May 28th, 2012 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Guzz (#) How do we owe the world ?!
May 28th, 2012 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The hypocrisy of it all.
May 28th, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On one hand it was the Junta’s fault that the Falkland Islands were invaded in 1982 and not blame the Argentinians for the invasion.
Yet she arrives with ten Malvinas veterans and states “I want to make it a point of underlining our gratitude to the Bolivian government and the Bolivian people for their standing support to the Malvinas sovereignty and heroic deeds”.
@28 Guzz no, we don't owe the world anything, it's kind of reversed. It was us that brought democracy to the rest of the world, and if there was no democracy well, you guys would still be swimming in your own shit as your leader would dictate the money. Argentina, or any nation in fact, will ever have such a large influence on the world like Britain has.
May 28th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Theman
May 28th, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Greeks brought democracy to the world, you merely brought your own twisted version of it, like in Iraq...
If you are to take credit for your good deeds in the past, take responsability for your wrongs...
@33 Guzz (#) We brought Democracy, of which, many countries legal systems are based on today. We were the key factor contributing to the end of Slavery. We helped stop a French takeover of Europe. We helped unite India into a single country not a group of warring warlords. We Brought Education, infrastructure and Trade to many countries around the world. We certainly did bad things, but mist of which were done by many countries at the time. Im not condoning these but at the time alot of the things were not considered wrong. We were unlike most other countries with the fact we also did alot of good.
May 28th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So stop listening to those 'the evil British empire' idiots, who do not actually understand it, and learn about both sides of the argument.
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May 28th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Greek, you brought a twisted version of it, like in Iraq.
You, together with the Spaniards, were the biggest CONTRIBUTORS to slavery, trading with human beings was one of your stronger sides.
Mahatma Gandhi got rid of the warmonkeys in India, resulting in the warmonkeys leaving, and India becoming a nation.
Preussia brought trading to the world long before you even knew what the word meant.
The Babylonians for sure didn't ask you lot anything about education.
You brought infrastructure, agreed.
The fact that you didn't consider your actions as “wrong” at the time, doesn't make them right, ask the slaves what they thought of your actions...
6. F.Tit
May 28th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 090%???....Did you ever go to school???
8. Mike
Same old crap/lies, did you go to the same school as F.Tit??
@34
May 28th, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well we can't learn both sides of the argument from you and others here, since obviously as jingoist Brits your version of Empire is just as one-sided as those who try to discredit it entirely.
Democracy is not British invetion, it is a human invention, througout the ages. In fact most “great inventions” are not invented by one person in one country. The Germans, French, Americans, Italians and Brits always insist the invented the “automobile”, but the reality is that various key components for the technology were invented in the respective countries and without them there would be no cars.
But what about the legallyt binding treaty of 1850 that Argentina signed?
May 28th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The convention between Great Britain and the Argentinian Confederation for the Settlement of exhisting differences and the re-establishment of Friendship.'
Does Bolivia conspire with Argentina on this legally binding agreement?
Governments that sign agreements must honour them, if not they become rogue states.
@35 and 37 You fools !! I didnt say that the British INVENTED it. I said they brought it to countries that didnt have it. Trade Wasn not invented by the British, that just stupid, but they increased it on a global scale to many countries. My version is not one sided, if i acknowledged that it did bad things, and the fact that i am not taking about the invention of these concepts, that renders, Tobias 37 and your argument obsolete.
May 28th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for 35 Guzz (#) the British capitalised on slavery initially, as did most other world powers. There will always be people form every counrty to capatilse on immoral activities, its about the people who realise that it is just greed and stop it. We were the first to ban slavery. We banned slavery amongst the empire, and so many countries ceased to trade and use them. We then put pressure on the international community to stop trade, including the heart of the African slave trade in Zanzibar. We were not the biggest contributor and we freed many slaves from the US.
Had Britain not colonised India it would either have been colonised by the French (and we all no how bad the French empire was) or continued to be a group of bickering warring states. there would not have been an India for Gandhi to free.
You show a clear lack of colonialist history. And once again you misinterpret my point. The British did bad things. Most other countries did bad things. Britain is highlighted because they were the most powerful, which is why it lead to Britain Banning or stopping many of these things. And while Britain did these bad things, we did many good things, whereas the other countries did not contribute as much on a global scale.
39. Oh yes, the three million slaves send by the British across the Atlantic should thank Britain for abolishing slavery.
May 28th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0India should thank Britain for the miliions starved to death by them.
Hitler should thank Britain for their marvelous idea of using concentration camps during the Boer wars.
Argentina should thank Britain for invading their lands in 1806/1807/1845/1833.
@40 Marcos Alejandro Actually the British did not invent the Concentration camp, it is an urban misconception. They were used in the Spanish-American war, and in Russian before that in the 18th century.
May 28th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes you should thank them for invading the Spanish colonies, else you may not have had your independence. And there was no invasion in 1833, but a reclamation of British lands.
Argentines killed thousands there own people, shot British soldiers while pretending to surrender, invaded a peaceful island of a couple of thousands, with over 1oooo troops. but this was only in the last century . Each nation learns, and we learnt slavery was wrong, and forced many to stop it. You learnt much later, but you still learnt and are still.
Difference between Argentina's invasion of the islands in 82 and your more recent invasion of Iraq is that the Argentinas didn't choose the people responsible for the invasion, they did, as a military dictatorship, NOT represent the people by definition. You chose your invasors...
May 28th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Marcos Alejandro Actually the British did not invent the Concentration camp, it is an urban misconception. They were used in the Spanish-American war, and in Russian before that in the 18th century. ”
May 28th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've already explained this to him in the past, waste of time he's a troll.
Anyway it's not even as close as the 18'th century. People have been kept in such camps for thousands of years. I recall reading a story about some of the last Spartan trained warriors being kept in such a camp, Romans used them, ect.
We as English people did however invent the English words. That's how the entire myth came about, because we was the first to coin the term Concentration camp.
@42 Guzz (#) Most people agree that the invasion of iraq was illegal and unjust. I for one was against it, but there was a vital difference in your invasion and ours. Your invasion was illegal, and many of your citizens supported it. I know you were fed lies about the history of the islands, and so its not entirely your fault, but it did get support. Likewise we were told that iraq had WMD's and we were helping remove a dictator. While the dictator part was true, i do feel it is a grey area meddling in another countries affairs.
May 28th, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British people do not support the Iraq war, and many believe Blair should be sentenced as a war criminal, even though we technically 'won' the war. However, i find it hard to believe that had the junta succeeded with its invasion, that the Argentine people would have told and wanted their government to give the islands back, because they were illegally taken....
Thor
May 28th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, Argentinas invasion by a non-elected regime was backed by the people, while Britains invasion by an elected regime was not... You really see no flaws in your arguments?
“Difference between Argentina's invasion of the islands in 82 and your more recent invasion of Iraq is that the Argentinas didn't choose the people responsible for the invasion, they did, as a military dictatorship, NOT represent the people by definition. You chose your invasors.. ”
May 28th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Difference between the UK's invasion of Iraq and Argentina's invasion of the islands was that while we voted our government into power, when the invasion had gone on, there were people protesting in our streets against the war.
In Argentina there were people partying and cheering in the streets because you invaded the islands.
To try claim your people were against the war is a complete and utter lie.
“You really see no flaws in your arguments?”
May 28th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you see the one in yours? Lets say of example i voted for my last government. I have no idea on what they might do in the future i can't read the future. They invade a country, i protest against that. I see no problem in this.
You live in Argentina, Your government who you have no control over who is in power invades a peaceful community, and you suddenly go from protesting against the government to cheering in the streets in the thousands.
Yes, Clearly OUR system is flawed.
Zethee
May 28th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try protesting in a military dictatorship, specially in one that “disappears” its oppositors...
Then come back and post.
OMG is anyone actually bothered? BOLIVIA? Jesus... big fat YAWN. Sick to death of some argentines on this site. They can NEVER EVER EVER produce any fact, law or treaty or anything to show the falklands are theirs. I sometimes wonder what kind of a country Argentina is, dont they have access to history books, internet, a tv? How the hell are they yours? Because there closer? 1st of all nobody cares about Bolivia supporting Argentinas claim, the island will and always will be ours until the islanders decide otherwise. I mean what country isolates the very islands theyre wanting back, a trade a bloc on the islanders, no ships allowed to dock, dont buy british goods... and were the pirates? Give your bloody heads a wobble Silly argentines. Look at your claim, you inherited the islands from spain?After spain colonised and left Argentina wasnt declared a state until the late 19th century after the brits had colonised. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT ARGENTINA YOUR PATHETIC!!!!!! And ya president looks like Pete Burns... T''ra
May 28th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 Guzz (#) Well this is were you will see the flaw in yours. There was a show of mass support by the Argentine people for the invasion. Granted this does not represent the country as a whole, but there was still a strong display of support.Also i have seen little in protest against the war. I do not believe your government have ever issued an official apology. They have only said it was wrong.
May 28th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However there was no huge show of support in Britain for the Iraq war, and there has been huge protest against it. Even TODAY, a person confronted Blair about it (Hint, hint its not too late for an apology). The fact the the government is elected irrelevant and rather naive. The Labour government did not mention the Iraq war in their mandate. It happened after they were voted in power. No referendum or vote was offered to the public. What government, communist, socialist, democratic or otherwise asks their people what do to on very occasion, especially war ? Please find me an example of one that has. Even if you do, the blame lies on the government for not offering that.
So you see, your point is invalid and useless. In fact you have made yourself looked worse.
Argentine Invasion : Large show of support, no protest against War, no apology.
Iraq War : very little/No show of support, lost of past/recent protest , no apology.
Your point : Irrelevant.
Both the UK's and USA's population supported the invasion, it was only after you realized you had been lied to the protests started, even so, about 1M people protested, 60M didn't.
May 28th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentinas case, even if 1M people celebrated, 40M didn't...
@51 More like 40 million Argentinians supported the invasion. Even CFK was on the streets of BA.
May 28th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Show me proof of your statement, Brit Bob.
May 28th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You celebrating have none, all you have is a youtube video showing about 10k people celebrating with Galtieri, and your doubtful words.
Now, I know you feel you don't need proofs, but in order to convince anyone else that isn't a fervant colonialist, you do need more than your words...
@51 Guzz (#) Yet most Argentines still support the 'Malvinas' argument, even though you have been told and proved you have been lied to ? And you still went out and celebrated?
May 28th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where as we don't believe the lies, and are against it ? And there was no mass support of street parties over the war as there were in Argentinian ? And lost of people are against it and lots of people still today protest. No one in Argentina protested, and none protest now. Most do the opposite and support the illegal blockade of the Falklands?
Your really not helping your cause here........
Thor
May 28th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The junta is gone and their leaders behind bars, what should the Argentines protest about?
As I told you, the followers of the junta most surely proteted, the ones that took profit of the atrocities commited by the non-elected government. Other than that, not many people agreed with anything the junta did.
In Britains case, 1M people protested, out of 62M... And those protesting to this day are the same ones that protested that day in London...
The reason no one protested in Argentina is because the current regime were a bunch of fascist hijos de puta (may the whores forgive me), that threw you out of a plane, should you disagree with them. All in line with your friends the mighty US of A
@51 Guzz actually 3.7 million protested across the UK, and also a lot of the population didn't support it in the first place since we were in Afghanistnan. But overall, most of us couldn't really care less about it because we knew that there would be benefits from it for Iraq, e.g a new stepping stone for democracy, growth and getting rid of Saddam Hussein.
May 28th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 Marcos Alejandro One good thing came out of slavery, which was blacks being integrated into our society, and we both learned of each other's cultures. Also, the US were a lot lot worse for slavery.
“As I told you, the followers of the junta most surely celebrated”, it should be, of course...
May 28th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 056
I see what you mean regarding the new stepping stone for democrazy, you left a country in ruin and total chaos, the only benefits being the contracst you got for building it back up again, and the cheap oil from new oil contracts.
If you don't want people like Saddam in power, tell your friends to stop putting them there in the first place...
@55 Guzz (#) where are you getting these numbers from ? As you say' Show me proof of your statement, you do need more than your words'. And also the population of Britain was below 60m in 2003. But you show me where you got these numbers ?
May 28th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And im not a big fan of the US, which is besides the point because we are talking about the UK.
And if so many of you disagreed with the war, then you could protest about no official protest and the economic blockade of the islands.
Therefore your point is irrelevant. Where are you going with it ? It doesn't make sense ?
@57 the country was already in ruins, and there's less chaos than you think. Although you still get suicide bobmings in Baghdad, most of the rest of the country is relatively safe. And how did we put Saddam in power????????
May 28th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 059
May 28th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK didn't put him in power, USA did. Take a look at history, it's there, for you to grab :)
30/03/1982: A movilization by aproximately 100.000 people against the Military Junta was led by the “Multipartidaria”, a group of democratic politicians who included: members of the UCR (Alfonsin, Contín, and others such as Frondizi, Alende, Auyero, etc.)
May 28th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 002/04/1982: A movilization by aproximately 100.000 people in support of the Military Junta and led by the very politicians who led the previous movilization!!
At the time it was calculated that over 60% of the population supported the invasion.
It must be said that the politicians of the “Multipartidaria” went on demanding a return to democratic rule even while supporting the invasion.
@60 they didn't know he was going to be a dictator who killed his own people. At the time of his rise to power, he was widely regarded as a very effective politician who could promote economic growth in Iraq.
May 28th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 062
May 28th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, they trained him, gave him weapons, and put him there to fight Iran... You know, to spread democrazy...
@63 exactly that's a good thing. Iran is nothing more than a terrible country full of people who love to hate Jews because of a land issue.
May 28th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 043 zethe “We as English people did however invent the English words”
May 28th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“because we was the first to coin the term Concentration camp”
I am not saying that you were the inventor of the concentration camp, what I am saying is that UK master the idea, loved by Hitler a few decades after.
We all know that the practice of holding a large group of people is very old but the term “concentration camp” was first used to describe camps operated by the British in South Africa during the second Boer War about a century ago.
46 Zethee “Difference between the UK's invasion of Iraq and Argentina's invasion”
Well. let's see..both, UK in Iraq and Argentina in Malvinas, lost.
However not islander was killed nor injured by Argentinian forces, hundreds of thousands of innocents civilians did in Iraq.
@65 Marcos you're funny. maybe you forgot that we won because we got rid of saddam and his regime, and made sure there wasn't any WMD's. Also, I recollect maybe one or two islanders dying in the war in the FALKLANDS!!!!!.
May 28th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well for one, it wasn't a UK invasion of Iraq. seem to remember the amercians being in charge of that one!
May 28th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 066 THEMan Actually the number of islanders dead was three...at the hands of the British forces not Argentinian.
May 28th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even your American friends know that you lost in Iraq.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1559772/US-believes-Britain-has-lost-in-Basra.html
@68 no, we won. we always win our battles cos we had the most gains from the objectives during the conflict. also, i have access to MoD records on deaths in all conflicts since WW”, and those threee you are talking about were in fact killed by Argentina. and cornishhair is right
May 28th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Theman
May 28th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You defend just about anything right now :)
Talking of 82, didn't the argentinian army hide military equipment in and around civil buildings? and let's not talk about why they pooed all over stanley!
May 28th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People demanding Argentina recognize the Falklands (I personally agree), but they immediately turn around and DEMAND Argentina renounce sovereingty over it's commercial and territorial waters.
May 28th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2012/05/24/falklands-lawmaker-accuses-argentina-of-indiscriminate-and-uncontrolled-fishing
The Falklands government should immediately apologize for commenting on what is totally not their concern or jurisdiction.
(h) take measures to prevent or eliminate overfishing and excess fishing capacity and to ensure that levels of fishing effort do not exceed those commensurate with the sustainable use of fishery resources;
May 28th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@73
May 28th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No negotiations, no agreements. Too bad (for you).
@74 tobias (#) they are sort of saying, dont over fish and destroy the environment, just to spite us. after all its worse for you if you destroy your own water :)
May 28th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The above message should read:
May 28th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'DEMAND Argentina renounce sovereingty over it's commercial and territorial waters.'
Tobias,
They have done no such thing. They simply want Argentina to comply with the agreement on straddling fish stocks it has signed up to:
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/convention_overview_fish_stocks.htm
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/convention_overview_fish_stocks.htm
Article 5
(h) take measures to prevent or eliminate overfishing and excess fishing capacity and to ensure that levels of fishing effort do not exceed those commensurate with the sustainable use of fishery resources;
If a marine species travels between one or more countries, overfishing by one of those countries is of concern to the other countries.
@75
May 28th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope, the article cleary makes it clear they made accusations and demands that we sit down to discuss our sovereingty over our waters, that is a fact. Not happening.
“...She went on to say, ”others, as we know, are subject to indiscriminate and uncontrolled fishing both on the high seas and in the Argentine controlled areas close to our zone. The stark contrast between loligo which we can control in our zone and the blue whiting stock emphasises yet again the need for a regional grouping to cooperate on sustainable fishing and conservation of stocks, not just for the Falklands, not just for other countries in the area but for the world...”
Argentine waters are not for the benefit of the Faklands, other countries in the region, or the world.
There is no need for a regional grouping to discuss Argentine commercial waters. The sole solicitor, jury, judge, and executioner is us.
Empty words from Bolivia.
May 28th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps they do not know about the agreement that Argentina signed with Great Britain in 1850. A legally binding agreement. After all, Bolivia will not want to become a nation that fails to honour agreements will it.
Empty words is correct. Empty words from Uruguay before sending a trade delegation, empty words from Brazil before not doing anything, empty words from Angola, empty words and no material actions from any of them.
May 28th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The trolls don't see they are being played. Yes Cristina, you bend over the table on this trade deal and we will pretend to support you on the Malvinas....but do exactly NOTHING.
As I said yesterday, nothing will change, nobody is prepared to support Argentina with anything material...and Argentina has tried military, tried diplomatic and tried lies..and turned out to be third class at all of them.
So that's it then. Unless Argentina can get one of their “supporters” to actually do something “material”, shows over for another 30 years.
My bet says they won't.
“Try protesting in a military dictatorship, specially in one that “disappears” its oppositors...”
May 28th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im sorry did you not? i've seen videos of Argentinians just weeks before the invasion demonstrating in the streets, before they were celebrating after the invasion .
“We all know that the practice of holding a large group of people is very old but the term “concentration camp” was first used to describe camps operated by the British in South Africa during the second Boer War about a century ago.”
Actually, you are as you normally are, wrong.
The entire term concentration camp is simply a translation from the Spanish word reconcentrado which is roughly translated in English as to concentrate, or to be absorbed. This term came around from the Spanish internment of Cuban patriots who wanted independence from Spain.
The British simply translated the word. You have your ancestors for the origination of the Term.
As for the actual meaning of the term, it's not known in history who first came up with the idea.
Either way, you are wrong and as usual, look rather stupid.
But again yes, if you are saying that as English people we invented the English language, clearly we are to blame.
May 28th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do however wonder how you're going to try and convince me that hitler decided to create the death camps simply because he had heard the term “concentration camp” you're going to have a hard sell with that simply because of the fact that he could barely speak English.
@72 of course it's their concern, because that means the islanders get less fish because of the Argies overfishing. common sense...
May 28th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 Marcos, in January 1833 two of the people from South America who chose to stay in the Falkland Islands were slaves. Under British rule they were released as slaves. We were responsible for slavery in the past but one of the first nations to ban it and send anti-slave patrols off the coast of Africa.
May 28th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 069 THEMan “i have access to MoD records on deaths in all conflicts since WW”, and those threee you are talking about were in fact killed by Argentina”
May 28th, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Check your records, no islander was killed or hurt by Argentinean troops.
Mrs Susan Whitley, Mrs Doreen Bonner and Mrs Mary Goodwin.
They were killed by British shelling(HMS Avenger) when they were sheltering in a house together during the naval bombardment of Stanley.
No doubt the Bolivian navy will help the nrxt Argentine assault on the Falkland Islands.
May 28th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@82
May 29th, 2012 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland's Government is becoming expert at talking out of their arse. On the same day it seems they announce a “record bumber fish crop” (INCLUDING the well-disussed Ibex which must travel through Argentina before reaching the Falklands), and then accuse Argentina of overfishing and demand, basically, that Argentina close its fishing industry entirely, hand over its territorial waters to them, and hand over control to theirs and international “groups”.
Maybe they should also add they want the argie boats to fish the fish out and trnasport it to them for good measure.
They are pathetic at te FI gov. They obviously are lying somewhere: either they lied about their “great” fishing season because they accused Argentina is overfishing, or they had a great season and are lying about Argentina overfishing.
You can't within 24 hours state that your fishing of a species that travels through enemy territory was great, and then claim the enemy is overfishing them.
They are trully full of it. Can't be taken seriously whatsoever (they used to be a reputable government, but in the last 2 years CFK has succesfully gotten under their skin), thus the total nonsense they are spewing.
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May 29th, 2012 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Pete, the millions of souls you traded with should thank you, really...
All this dragging up each other's dark past is neither here nor there.
May 29th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0We OWN the Falklands, Argentina does NOT.
We are NOT going to talk about Sovereignty no matter how much Argentina moans, whines, bitches or complains.
We are here & we're not moving for a silly country like Argentina & soon we are going to be extremely rich while Argentina sinks slowly into the abyss. Tough luck amigos.
Suck it up baby.
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@88
May 29th, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Small island economies are inherently subject to extreme stochastic fluctuations. I would not be so coruscate in enuntiations of sempiternal prosperity if I were you.
Plus, we hold the cards on your fishing future. We are allowing you to catch Ibex, so be grateful for Pete's sake.
90 tobias
May 29th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So I presume that allowing the Falklanders (there are no Malvinas) to catch the Ibex is a threat to catch all the juveniles while they are in Argie water. Have I gotten that right?
Not exactly. But read answer 86 which everyone here has conviniently ignored, because it proves the FI gov are full of it.
May 29th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They celebrate a bumper Ibex catch and in the same day some FI woman accuses Argentina of overfishing and threatening their stock.
They have lost their sanity and cool, CFK in that has won indeed.
@92 tobias you're not bad to have a debate with, you seem pretty decent
May 29th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, my point is that both Argentina and the Falklands should work together in sorting out a deal where they don't argue over fish, and that both sides get their fair share of it. It doesn't matter about all of the sovereignty claims and debates, they should ignore it for just that reason. If it was reversed, I'm sure the Falklands would allow Argentina to fish around there, depending on their attitude though.
Well, the attitude of the Falklands is “nothing to do with Argentina”. So you can't then suddenly wan't something to do with us, when it is obviously convenient. It is a two way street.
May 29th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will be the first one to state it is Argentina that has created this impass in 95%, but again, when you have an article saying the Falklands fishing had a boom this year, and then that same government blasts us for overfishing the very fish you had a good catch on...
If Argentina's gov is given no credibility based on similar behavior, then it is fair to call FI on this.
It makes no sense to have a good crop of fish when another country supposedly overfished it. There is a lie somewhere in there and the FI should be call out on it.
92 tobias (#)
May 29th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 29th, 2012 - 04:05 pm
I think you mean Illex, Ibex are mountain goats!
@95
May 29th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Same thing. Argies don't eat fish anyway.
@96 tobias well you can both have a boom in fishing, and criticise a larger country of overfishing, if you think about it. It may not necesserily affect them in the short term, but can affect them in the long term. The FI have every right to criticise them because it's not Argentina's fish, it's everyone's. Maybe you should read about Argentina overfishing in international waters where the FI fish too, I heard something about that.
May 29th, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 095 Simon68
May 29th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks! I knew there was a problem but I couldn't quite put my finger on it.
LOL
@97
May 29th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, fish in Argentine waters are argentine, simple as that.
'No, fish in Argentine waters are argentine, simple as that.'
May 29th, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you asked the fish?
I suggested just as much to the Falklanders, if they believe in self-determination so much, why don't they ask the fish if they want to be dinner?
May 29th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They said they had no choice.
Sounds good to me. That's the problem with you Brits, you like others to do as you say not as you act.
Sorry to spam this article too, but Cochabamba will be site of OAS General Assembly, 3-5 June and Britain can only observe at the OAS General Assembly in Cochabamba, so the Falkland Islands will not be represented by their own voice.
May 30th, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hopefully, same as at Cartagena Summit of the Americas in April, Canada and the US will come together to thwart any consensus against the Falklands in discussion of item 9,: “The Question of the Malvinas Islands” [sic].
Undoubtedly, Britain will be observing at the Cochabamba OAS General Assembly meeting and emails from commenters who wish to show solidarity for Falkland Islanders right to self-determination should email to Rachel Edis, listed as the UK Permanent Observer to the OAS, at: rachel.edis@fco.gov.uk
References:
Agenda item 9, “The Question of the Malvinas Islands” [sic], on page 4 of the Draft Agenda of the Forty-First Regular Session of the General Assembly AG/CP/doc.796/11: scm.oas.org/IDMS/Redirectpage.aspx?class=AG/CP/doc.&classNum=796&lang=e
Permanent Observers to OAS:
www.oas.org/en/ser/dia/perm_observers/countries.asp
Why can Britain even observe??? Its the OAS (though I think Argentina should pull out of it, but Britain even being there is one more reason), not the EU.
May 30th, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does Argentina observe at the EU? What a ridiculous concept. Is there any doubt the OAS is a USA concept we should be no part of??
Tobias 103: Good point about whether or not UK should even be an observer, but as you can see from the list on OAS website, there are a huge number of observers (including Albania, Benin, etc).
May 30th, 2012 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand, there is no reason why the Falkland Islands should not be an OAS member itself, given that it is a self-determinant community in the Western Hemisphere.
However, Argentina does appear to have formal relations with the EU, in that, “Argentina was the first Latin American country to formalise relations with the EU under a 3rd generation cooperation agreement.”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina_%E2%80%93_European_Union_relations
The OAS is a joke. Albania and Benin... so basically the whole world.
May 30th, 2012 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a bunch of yanki crap. Argentinat should leave immediately.
Without the constant hectoring by Argentina in the OAS, there would be no interest by any of the other OAS members to remain with the Argentina position on the Falkland Islands. While this would a positive outcome from the point of view of Britain, the Falkland Islands, and all those who observe the value of a community's right to self-determination, that may be a sub-optimal outcome from Argentina's perspective, don't you think?
May 30th, 2012 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0#86 ”On the same day it seems they announce a “record bumber fish crop” (INCLUDING the well-disussed Ibex which must travel through Argentina before reaching the Falklands), and then accuse Argentina of overfishing and demand, basically, that Argentina close its fishing industry entirely”
May 30th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0As Richard Littlejohn might say, you couldn't make it up!
@40 Marcos Alejandro “Oh yes, the three million slaves send by the British across the Atlantic should thank Britain for abolishing slavery”.
May 30th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course you don't have any descendants of slaves in Argentina, like the indigenous peoples of the region, you 'disappeared' them.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/aboriginal-victims-of-argentinas-silent-genocide-395718.html
Don't worry about the OAS, the CELAC is replacing it in any important matters...
May 30th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0107 Kirchnerist
May 30th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds fair enough to me.
@38:
May 31st, 2012 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Argentina gave up all claims to the Falkland Islands when they ratified the Convention of Settlement in 1850.
@84:
Yes, I believe you are correct. The three Falkland Islanders killed during the occupation were killed by friendly fire.
111 mcarling
May 31st, 2012 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Regrettably, 'friendly fire' incidents happen in most wars.
But you have to ask a simple question. Why was there a war going on and who was the aggressor?
We ALL know the answer to that one.
A Brit talking about why there was a war and who was the agressor, this while civilians are still being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
May 31st, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The chuztpah is simply exorbitant.
tobias,
Jun 01st, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know of any other overseas countries other than lraq & Afghanistan?
They seem to facinate you.
Perhaps you should satisfy your curiousity & actually go there!
ChrisR has a point.
ln talking about the Falklands, NOT lraq or Afghanistan, Argentina was/is the aggressor
Don't muddy the waters, dear tobias.
Your precious Argentina was/is wholely in the wrong.
Argentina was the invader.
Argentina was/is the aggressor.
No diversions such as lraq/Afghanistan will change this.
You took a gamble & you lost.
Why are you complaining about this?
Take it like a man, tobias.
President of Argentina to President of Bolivia. “We welcome your ships.”
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0President of Bolivia to President of Argentina. “What the fuck are ships.”
@Tobias likes Iraq and Saddam Hussein, because in the late 80's Iraq proposed a joint missile programme with Argentina called 'Condor.' Tobias likes Saddam Hussein because he governed Iraq in the bullying style that Argentina prefers.
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#116 All I've seen tobias saying was that the invasion of Iraq was bad, not a very controversial view these days; in fact its been years since I've seen someone saying, as you just have, that people with this view “like Saddam”!
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@117B_K,
Jun 03rd, 2012 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0He brings up lraq etc quite a bit.
As a stick to beat the UK with.
l've never seen such a wallower in self-pity as tobias.
What he doesn't realise is that if Argentina was a good neighbour(which they are most definitely not), there would be no insults to his precious country.
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