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CFK says handing over power in 2015 in “unavoidable”, others will have to run Argentina

Monday, May 28th 2012 - 08:09 UTC
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Argentine President Cristina Fernández, CFK, said that handing over power is unavoidable, thus implying that she has no plans to seek a re-re-election, (not contemplated by the Constitution) and recommended those expecting her to be in office for a long time to pray the rosary at night and realize how fragile you are. Read full article

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  • Bombadier Spoon

    I'm an advocate of the great Dr. Johnson, the Englishman of letters who said that patriotism was the last refuge of the scoundrel.

    Quite fitting really

    May 28th, 2012 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Oh noooooo - where are we going to get our daily dose of comedy madness from after 2015?????

    May 28th, 2012 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • expbrit

    Don't panic, General Kirchner will probably be replaced by that other world famous comedienne - Alicia Castro.

    May 28th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Max

    A Serbian origin Argentina President is coming on the next election.

    Probably,the real Argentines might guess who he is.

    May 28th, 2012 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    What passes as a beautiful woman in Britain:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2124246/Samantha-Brick-downsides-looking-pretty-Why-women-hate-beautiful.html

    May 28th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    4 Max

    Axel K?

    May 28th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viva Las Falklands

    @ 5 Slightly deluded woman. She needs to take a look in the mirror. Mind you she is certainly an improvement on Queen Botox.

    May 28th, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    But then again, CFK hasn't declared herself a woman whose infinite beauty has rendered her a victim of persecution. Mrs Brick has. Why would that be?

    May 28th, 2012 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tabutos

    is that when her botox supply runs out?

    May 28th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    The way the Argentine economy is going, we won't have to wait 'til 2015 to see CFK legging it to foreign shores, probably only one step ahead of the lynch mob.

    May 28th, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @10 I agree.

    May 28th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britishbulldog

    Oh, that's right Chrissie fuck the country up and then run for hills with your ill-gotten gains leaving some other mug to try to pick up the pieces. Waving your hands in the air shouting it’s not, my fault you mugs elected me

    May 28th, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    Clearly a corrction is needed to the headline as an “i” was missed out

    “CFK says handing over power in 2015 in “unavoidable”, others will have to ruin Argentina”

    May 28th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Apparently

    CFK may well go down in the history books,
    For what she did NOT Accomplish, rather than what she did,

    Despite all the rhetoric anti British lies and deceit,
    She has failed miserably to get the thing , she could never have,
    The British Falklands,
    She and her cohorts, and her indocronoughts, plus her immortal bloggers
    Have,
    Insulted, abused, threatened, harassed, intimidated, part blockaded,
    They have gone to and complained to, the highest echelons of society,
    UN , OAS EU, and numeral, other organisations , and failed .
    She has cries to brazil, Chile , Peru , Bolivia , Uganda , south Africa , china ,
    Libya, north Korea , and even mr Hugo the bear, and still has failed to get the British Falklands .
    So in fact, when it comes to the British government, the Falklands , she has utterly buttery, failed to get anywhere,
    So is she in fact, rather the worlds greatest promise, she will be the world greatest failure.
    Still, look on the bright side,
    She could have claimed the moon, [with the cow and spoon]

    .

    May 28th, 2012 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Nah, briton, as an Uruguayan it's quite fun to see you guys busy with the Falklands and your very own “world crisis”, while SA develops Banco del Sur, CELAC, recover their resources, kicks out your multinationals, and adopts a society that includes all of us :)

    And Fernandez can't claim the moon, it's already claimed by reality-check...

    May 28th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    15 Guzz But we aren't really that busy with them, it just seems business as usual. No news over here relating to the falklands except for that advert (which made one column inch on about oage 27 of most newspapers). As for the world crisis, in this day and age no-one is immune. The Eu crisis in having an impact of China, Brazil and, as a result, Argentina (but not so much Uruguay it seems...)

    May 28th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    16
    Brazil and Argentina are doing great, for the past ten year they have been growing like never before, just like Uruguay :)

    Thing is that, in your belly-button complex, you think that when any crisis affects the “1st world”, it affects the whole world. History has taught us that every time you are doing bad, we are doing great :)

    May 28th, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    17 Guzz I know about the growth rate in SA. These things are normally cyclical so any crisis take a great deal of time to filter through to developing nations. As the main economic power since the war any crisi in teh US has normally taken 6-18 months to impact the rest of the developed world. In the case the crisi in the EU/US is directly affectingthe growth rate in SA. Most countries will deal with this well (e.g. Brazil, Chile, Uruguay) by sensible devaluation and other methods but unless Argentina moves quickly and cuts state spending drastically it will find it impossible to keep the % of GDP spending on public sector/services the same with half the growth rate.

    May 28th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Welsh Wiz
    Sorry for my slightly offensive words, was on full auto and didn't bother to check whom I was typing to.
    I'm not gping to pretend that I can foresee Argentinas future, but that said, I don't think anyone here can either...

    May 28th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Guzz, Maybe if SA actually innovates and invents something the world wants or can use we would take SAs seriously. Right now you are just a 1/2 step above Africa and NO ONE CARES ABOUT AFRICA.
    If i were you I would stop talking about the Bank of the South until you see if it actually goes anywhere. The only way it can succeed is if it is capitalized and I don't see any one buying the bonds unless Brazil or Chile guarantees them and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

    May 28th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    Guzzle - No probs, I can see you were in imperialist troll bashing mode!

    May 28th, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    yanqui
    That's were you are wrong, we do indeed care about Africa, so does the Chinese... You have this thing of projecting your opinions on the whole world...
    Chile is not part of BdS, they are merely spectators, and the bank is already financed, with the exception of Brazil's part, something that will be sorted as soon as they ratify it. (Brazil's part is just under 1/3 of the total)

    May 28th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    Well, not really, it used to be true that when the USA cought a cold, Latin America got pneumonia.

    In 2008 the USA had its worst crisis since 1929 and the ensuing recession the worst in at least 30 years (1981), and it barely made a dent in South America, though Mexico was very affected.

    The USA is rapidly losing its indispensible clout, partly due to its own decline, partly China and Asia rising, partly the EU at the time still had some power, and partly Latin America is not debt-loaded thus more immune to banking contagion.

    May 28th, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    22. That is because Chile is smart. A bunch of 3rd world losers get together to form a bank because none of them can sell int'l bonds under 13%. What is the capitalization figure? 3B? Oooh that will do a lot of good...

    May 28th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    Guzz - I think you might b a little over optimistic there. I recently came back from a week of meetings in china and the word in government and the boardroom was that China wanted to help Africa develop her natural resources, not for Africa, but for China. There isn't much love coming out of that country it's all about getting resources for as cheap as possible. (not saying US/EU has been any different but if you listen to some of the Chinese talk about Africa there is no sense of humanity there...)

    May 28th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @25

    The Europeans showed humanity during their stint in Africa:

    1. __________
    2. __________
    3. __________
    4. __________

    May 28th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I can't figure out why stupid Sudacas think China will be their savior and somehow is going to be more powerful or richer than the USA. It is failing and I doubt it will last in its current form for more than a decade. THEY CAN”T EVEN FEED THEMSELVES!

    May 28th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @27

    Dude chill out, you seem to be venting venom at all corners, Africa, Sudacas, China, India...

    you seem like a small man hiding behind a nationality that has lost their mojo.

    May 28th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    Tobias, think you forgot to read what I wrote
    “not saying US/EU has been any different”. The purpose of that post was to counter the assertion (in 22) that China does.

    This process is easier if you read what others have written and then comment, otherwise it just slows things up...

    May 28th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    yanqui
    20B, more than enough for us.

    Welsh Wiz
    I agree with you on China's intentions, the difference is that they still pay more than Europe and USA ever did...

    May 28th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    This yakee boy (what a gay screen name, btw) gotta be one of the dumbest people around.

    Myself, I don't trust China for anything. The greatest legacy of Chinese trade with South America so far has been the erosion of SA industries' surplus. It's right that China, by itself, won't promove any one else's development, just like the US hegemony was really worthy nothing for Latin America. But of its own growth, China has taken great care itself. To say that China can't even feed its own people is rather ludicrous, specially in view of the poverty reduction, unprecedented in scale, that China has undergone in the latest decades. But even if you were right, that says nothing about China's ability to surpass your beloved country in power and influence. In the 60s, Japan was often compared to Turkey, and South Korea to sub-Saharan Africa. See where both of them are today, where they have managed to get by pursuing the same sort of policies that China has employed in the last 30 years. The Chinese economy may be showing signs of a slowdown. This is because we're in a phase of global deflation affecting all countries, including other emerging powers such as India. It's the same as the Great Depression: though it affected all countries, even the US, it didn't preclude the US from emerging as the next global power along with the Soviets.

    As shown by the PISA results, at least in its largest urban areas Chinese schools can already compete, and beat down, their counterparts in the West. It's just a matter of time for China to become not only a producer but also an inventer.

    Hegemony cycles are exactly that -- cycles with a beginning and an end. It is wishful thinking of your part to pretend that US GDP will remain always the highest. It's really typical of scum in powerful countries to be this patriotic -- their nationality is really the only thing they can be pround of. But it is time you get a hobby for yourself other than engaging in jingoistic masturbation.

    May 28th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    “It's really typical of scum in powerful countries to be this patriotic -- their nationality is really the only thing they can be pround of.”

    Exactly, I've said this repeatedly about him. This is a well known adage.

    And usually people get more jingoistic when they feel their country is slipping, in order to compensate the insecurity. Heck, they launch this very exact accusation at argies (deflect the economy to the Falklands).

    May 28th, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    With inflation running at 30% and the average wage rise settlement at 5%, I can't see CFK and her ambition to turn Argentina into another Venezuela lasting longer than another couple of years.

    May 28th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    Yes, tobias. Just see how the nationalist fever hit the Germans exactly when their country was going through the post-WW'1 humiliations.

    May 28th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    Shes 'standing in a puddle of shit and hasn't got the shoes for it' (ConAir)

    May 28th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    What are the odds that this is the first play in a gambit to get “the people” to demand a change in the constitution so she can stand again?

    Never believe anything to be true until it has been officially denied.

    May 28th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Cristina is a brilliant politician, and by implying rather than stating definitively she won't seek another term, she's leaving all the options open for circumstances and us, her loyal followers, to possibly change her mind =) Anyway the question doesn't have to be settled now, she's hardly a lame duck leader yet having been elected only months ago. 3 and a half years is a long time to achieve even more than she already has (because even if she fell under a bus tomorrow, god forbid, she would certainly not be remembered, contra #14, as an underachiever), including even the beginnings of negotiations over the Falklands. And most importantly to deepen her model in counterposition to the failure of the austerity junky world. Because contra #20, South America does have an invention that the first world could make great use of, and with our wealth could put to even greater success with less need of the heroic effort that building it has required and inspired in poor countries. That export is democratic socialism, coming to Greece soon, god and electorate willing, and from there, who knows. Greece which civilised Europe before may do so again, if they but themselves would learn from the Athena of Buenos Aires =)

    May 28th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    BK. You are sweet if not a little delusional

    May 28th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    There are no negotiations over the Falklands; they have not started and they never will. In that respect she has achieved nothing but humiliation.

    @36 It is a possibility but I honestly think she is looking for a way out. The policies started by Nestor have reached their inevitable conclusion when you spend too much government money and fail to develop an economy that can support that level of spending. The problem is CFKC has no clue how to get out of the imminent mess the K's have created.

    There is an interesting article in The Independent today about how Bob Geldoff finally came to the realisation that aid to Africa caused more harm than good. It created a continent of dependents instead of helping the countries develop trade. Trade = wealth. Someone should let CFKC in on that little secret. She has created a generation of dependents in return for votes and turning up at her political rallies. Now she cannot afford to keep them.

    May 28th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    BK. You need help.

    May 28th, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @32, tobias, check the uk news, there is hardly ever anything reported about the Falklands, only ever a brief reaction to Kretinas latest whinge du jour. Now check the Buenos Aires Herald, there is almost a headline a day about Falklands, that should tell you who is trying to get the most political gain. We have other things to concern ourselves with like the diamond jubilee and the olympics. What are you celebrating this year? 30 % plus inflation? Most of the uk is very relaxed about the Falklands and know if you try anything you will get battered, like u did last time, :-)

    May 28th, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    An interesting sidelight on the 25th May celebration in Bariloche: People dependent on government subsidies and housing in our town were told that if they went on government paid busses to Bariloche and wore the T-shirts given them by La Campora workers, they would get extensions built for their government provided housing. Of course they all went, but did not get to see Kretina, they were herded together in the Civic Center to be “on show”.
    It will be interesting who is going to pay for several thousand home extensions.
    It will be even more interesting what will happen to the La Campora people when no extensions are forthcoming!!!

    May 28th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    In the meantime, in a parallel reality, Simon got himself a house extension...

    May 28th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    43 Guzz (#)
    May 28th, 2012 - 04:41 pm

    No I don't need one as my wife and I live alone, the house I have is quite big enough.

    May 28th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @41

    WTF are you talking about? Are you insane?

    May 28th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    The nationalisation of YPF which followed state takeovers of an airline and of pension funds has emulated Argentine policies of the 90s, which preceeded the chaotic economic crisis at the start of the last decade. While Brazil's leaders have a global view of their future, Argentina has a government that is ultimately self destructive. You do not need a crystal ball to see what is is going to happen...

    May 28th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    You have to admire these indocronoughts,
    They know how to fight a sinking ship,
    Right down to the bubbles .lol.
    .

    May 28th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fido Dido

    This yakee boy (what a gay screen name, btw) gotta be one of the dumbest people around.

    It's both. Yankee doodle dandy in Dutch: Yankee for Janke, old word for Little jan (typical dutch name and were also given to thieves in prison), doodle is an old slang for penis, dandy for silly person, Yankee is a silly dickhead.

    “www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2124246/Samantha-Brick-downsides-looking-pretty-Why-women-hate-beautiful.html”

    British women aren't only one of the most insecure women in Europe (Spaniards are first), they are also damn ugly.

    May 29th, 2012 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    46
    The sell-out of the 90's the same as privatization of today?
    Isn't that the total opposite?

    May 29th, 2012 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @49

    That was painful to read. I feel embarassed for him.

    I'm noticing more of this from many “anglo” posters:discursive, desultory, sinuous, utter nonsense writing.

    I'm hearing rumours there is a new drug in the market up there, some cheap form of LSD, which causes complete delirium... Maybe this is what is to account for the recent surge in outré replies?

    Heck, did you hear that in the USA people are masticating other people's faces while under this drug's influence?

    Yes I said “masticating”, as in eating their FACE. People in the street just walking may be ambushed by another on this drug and their face eaten alive... what a wonderful world up there.

    May 29th, 2012 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    “The sell-out of the 90's the same as privatization of today?
    Isn't that the total opposite?”
    Should be “nationalizacion”, not “privatization”, of course...

    tobias
    Yes, they seem to produce arguments that fits their posts instead of producing posts that fits their arguments...

    May 29th, 2012 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Yes I noticed that too, complete madness on the anti-Cristina side =)

    #39 I'm not really surprised Geldof has said that, he's been a right wing patsy for a long time now, turning his concerts in 2005 for example into a campaign in favour of the G8 rather than against or to put pressure on them. Of course aid is only a drop in the ocean compared to the massive problems of poverty and disease in Africa, problems created and exacerbated by unfair trade practices in the rich world, mass privatisation and endless debt “repayments” with interest rates that effectively ruled out the debts fromever being payed off. In other words all the things Cristina is fighting against! But if Geldof now thinks we can “save Africa” simply by exploiting her as long as we refuse to send even a palliative sticking plaster to its poorest people he's even more naive than whe he thought aid alone was the answer.

    I'd like to add I should have said in my last post that if Kicillof is being lined up as the next President then thats good, and there are other good candidates - Timmeran, Castro etc - and that Cristina's retirement should not mean a return to oligarchic business as usual, which is what the haters on here really want. I should have said it but my argument flowed elswhere. Also while my head says another left President is nothing to worry about, my heart still says it has to be Cristina, she's absolutely unique and irreplaceable. I imagine thats what a lot of Argentines are thinking and feeling right now too

    May 29th, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @52

    Well, we should be adults British_K and understand we have differences. You support CFK quite generally (not on everything), I don't on many things.

    Unlike the intolerant procrustean anti-argie side which does not tolerate anything buy “argie contributors” who humiliate themselves and their country as proof of being “objective”, we should be better than them and understand we may have philosophical differences, but believe in respecting other people's views.

    In that, we are better than Europeans or Americans, which have shown their complete intolerance and lack of democratic values here. If you don't agree with them on 100% of everything, the insult your, vituperate, vilipend, and resort to scurril and obstreperous traducing of person.

    They have no belief in freedom of expression.

    May 29th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    pot=kettle=black=ouch

    i say=you say=he say=ignore the truth.

    proof =truth=trust=democracy,
    british, a most honourable country,
    were not perfect , but we try .

    May 29th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tobias

    @55

    The British on this board at least have no belief in democracy. They believe in an anglo-language Despotic Suzerain, ruled by a potentate.

    They have no tolerance for other languages, cultures, ways of thought, or points of view.

    No wonder you got along with Libya so nicely.

    May 29th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    We pity you,
    To you democracy is a joke an. Argentinean by word for fools,

    A dictatorship you live under, and a dictatorship is all you know,

    indoctrination at work, insult and blame the brits,

    Lucky for you, we understand, being indoctrinated, you know not what you say,,
    But only what you are told to say,

    CFK you have a lot to answer for,
    Look what you have done to once decent men,
    You have turned them into indoctrinated anti British fodder, for you to play with,
    Shame on you CFK shame on you .

    May 29th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Briton
    I disliked your sort long before I even knew who CFK was... Just as you shouldn't blame Britain for your flaws, it's not CFK's fault that people dislike you, it's your own fault...

    May 30th, 2012 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    57 Guzz [i dont dislike the brits ] then[ i dislike your sort]
    you dont even know what you say,

    we dont blame great britian,
    we blaim argentinas goverment for starting all this in the first place,
    facts are facts [unless you are indocrinated, then it matters not]
    if you had not invaded the falklands in the first place, we would not be here now talking abt it,
    please please please prove me wrong.

    May 30th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    briton
    Your sort can be found in every nation of the world, disliking them doesn't mean anyone dislikes the brits. You keep projecting your flaws on Britain. She is NOT responsible for your actions or words

    Again, I'm not Argentinian, and the ones to invade the islands were a bunch of non-elected fascists that have been put behind bars by the present Argentinian regime.

    May 31st, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    59 Guzz not interested
    answer the question

    if you had not invaded the falklands in the first place, we would not be here now talking abt it,
    please prove me wrong

    May 31st, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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