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“Self determination, only way that leads to a peaceful, permanent solution of Falklands’ dispute”
Self-determination is the only solution that will lead to a permanent, peaceful solution to the Falklands’ sovereignty dispute with Argentina said Falkland Islands lawmaker Roger Edwards addressing a regional seminar of the UN Decolonization Committee in Ecuador. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell said Roger
May 31st, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed.
May 31st, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But will The Mad Bitch of Argentina change her mind, the constitution and remove the lies from what they teach their children about the Falklands (there are no Malvinas)?
One can only hope.
So the war forced the Falklands into a “post-colonial” period? I read this and this was repeated several times... So it seems 1982 was a turning point even the Falklanders admit. Economically and constitutionally for them. They are intimating that without the war they may still be a colony in all but name.
May 31st, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think they should be thanking us, then.
(using British logic about our junta falling after the war).
well said. hope for the best prepare for the worst :)
May 31st, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 the worst for the Falklands delegation attending the C24 on 14 June, will be having to sit and listen to the rhetoric ramblings and falsehoods spread by CFK. I see she is C24 bound - presumably with plenty of USD for big apple shopping. Great day for the Falklandson 14 June - 30 anniversary of liberation from Arg military forces, and all CFK can do is lead its annual pilgrimage to the UN to protest Falkland Islanders right to self-dertermination. Don't presidents have better things to do with their time?
May 31st, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 nice try but it was most likely the chinese with hong kong that made the uk change their relationship with their overseas territories
May 31st, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brilliant! I look forward to a time when the completely independent Falkland Islands is a full member of the OAS.
May 31st, 2012 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brilliant presentation - but they have their minds made up and it may have “gone in one ear and out the other”.
May 31st, 2012 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An extremely good speech, I hope the audience take in what Mr. Edwards was saying and that on 14th June the C24 finally put Kretina out of her misery by telling the world that “Yes the Falkland Islanders do have the right to self-determination and if they want to uphold the status quo that's alright too.”
May 31st, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hurrah! for the falklands & its people. I do like the bit where he reminds the C24 of its job >_
May 31st, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder what Turkeyneck's rebuttal to this well-crafted speech will be. “Wahhhh, want islands! Give islands! Give or Cristina do potty on floor!”
May 31st, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Imagine the Falkland Islands football team playing Argentina in the Copa América, what a game that would be.
May 31st, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a good assessment, but the onlyway CFK and her supporters can try to reach the world stage is to ignore democratic principles and practise.
May 31st, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Roger, Go have your self-determination in your beloved England.
May 31st, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9
May 31st, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The special committee is corrupt.
Most of the countries that make up the 'special committee' have openly supported Argentina's claim on the Falkland Islands before this seminar started. Thus rendering this entire process a joke. They probably wrote their statement and recommendations out weeks ago with help from CFK.
If the special committee were to be taken seriously it would be made from neutral countries!
Here is a statement that should be a warning of there intentions.
'Ecuador's foreign minister, Ricardo Patino, advocated that the so-called “administrative powers” do not have the will of the colonized territories and criticized the euphemism called upon States occupants.
The owner stressed the importance of giving a different meaning and critical to the Seminar, a sense that challenges and question the circumstances of colonization.'
Take note of the term 'different meaning' to the seminar.
Well done, MLA Rogers.
May 31st, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is unfortunate that the venue does not permit the detailed exposure of the argie lies. There are, at worst, dozens. Ranging from the argie concept that they could claim a territory already claimed 55 years before, through “settling” on a territory already owned by someone else, through thinking that being an “asshole” confers rights, that being “asshole wankers” confers “rights”. Is there any intelligent (south americans need not apply) person that can believe that a British territory that existed 35 years before any south american territory existed could be “south american”? South Americans? For the most part, just a bunch of butt f*ckers and c*ck suckers!
Dear uncle Roger Edwards
May 31st, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland Islands have agreed with Britain on a new Constitution to take affect by January 1 2009, replacing a charter adopted in 1985.The new document approved by Queen Elizabeth 2 ,formalizes the system of self government on the South Atlantic Archipelago while giving Britain the final say on Foreign Policy,Policing and the Administration of Justice according to a joint statement.The statement also said that the new Constitution clarifies the relationship between the Executive Council and the Islands' Governor who is appointed by the London Government.
It makes clear council members are responsible for domestic policies BUT the Governor retains VETO power that can be exercised “ in the interests of the good governance” .Britain still retains responsibility for External Affairs , Defense, Internal Security,Administration of Justice.
Max,Thank you.
Good old argie Hypocrisy
May 31st, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'I save in dollars because I feel it's my right to do so,' Aníbal Fernández
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/102312/i-save-in-dollars-because-i-feel-its-my-right-to-do-so-aníbal-fernández
maybe the member of the “special committee” should be from mutual partys with no prejudgments
May 31st, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 Marcos Alejandro
May 31st, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I take it you, your family and the vast majority of your countrymen will be returning to Iberia (and Italy, Germany, Wales, etc...) in order to fully realise your dreams of self-determination. Oh wait...
Shear hypocrisy Senior Alejandro, shear hypocrisy based upon greed and false sense of entitlement. Whereas the US seems to have given up on 'manefest destiny' a century ago, you and your ilk seem intent on resurecting such jingoistic ideals for Argentina. Alas, the peoples of the Falkland Islands are not so defensless as the native North Americans were.
@15 Steve-32-uk
Alas, I fear that you are correct. A statesman's elegant words of principal, recited to a mob of kangaroos, are wasted words. How the c24 has survived this long is beyond me, and why the Falkland Islands et. al. are still included on their little list when for all intents and purposes many (if not all) are self-governing is beyond me (is it because their govenor is appointed rather than directly elected? If so, shouldn't the UK itself be on that little list, we have a non-elected head of state of German ethnic origin after all).
“In principle, the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina”
May 31st, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sunday 1 April 2012
“Any ”acceptable settlement” (The Falklands: 30 years on, 31 March) will recognise that the islands belong to Argentina, by virtue of the principle of uti possidetis juris.“
”So the islanders have the security of Mount Pleasant defence but not of international law.”
Peter Hamilton
Much Marcle, Herefordshire
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/01/falkland-islands-principle-international-law
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May 31st, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The guardian is full of people of hate england and the english the rest of the British media wont be so friendly good luck with the hockwy match your going to need it :)
May 31st, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Um - do you even know who Peter Hamilton is Mr Alejandro?
May 31st, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Love the Buenos Aires Herald article above about Aníbal Fernández. Reminds me of Christine Lagarde criticising Greeks for not paying taxes when........
Nice one Roger, well said, but I'm afraid that it's no use making sense and talking sense when the people you are talking to are idiots.
May 31st, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll have to re-write your speech only using words of four letters or less, then maybe they will begin to understand.
@3 “I think they should be thanking us, then.”
May 31st, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tobias - As a Falkland Island resident, and married to a Falkland islander, I would say that many Falkland Islanders would agree with you on that one point. There is no doubt that in the 60's and 70's many in the UK political world still saw things from a historical colonial viewpoint. However, the war made them realise the truth of the situation here, and things progressed, moving towards far more self-determination. So if we should be grateful to you for that, you should be grateful for our defiance of the Junta leading to democracy for you. The final part of the jigsaw is for your new-found democracy to recognise our right to self-determination............
@16 and @22 Conqueror, you occasionally write well-reasoned pieces - why do you have to sink back into foul-mouthed abuse? You are no better than the rest of the other side...........
you just aint going to get CFK dictatorship to shut up over the faslklands,
May 31st, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this is getting no one, knowhere,
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May 31st, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go Roger! Norma couldn't have done any better herself.
May 31st, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 Crack pot writes a column in the Guardian newspaper
May 31st, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The truth is that Argentinian claims to the Falkland Islands are based on historical misinformation and not fact. The Argentine claims are based solely on geographical proximity and they are without any legality.
In any case the right of self-determination is of paramount importance and Argentina's claims since the 1950's have been made as a smoke-screen to cover poor governance at home and political ineptness.
@21 Marco Alejandro
May 31st, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The principal of uti possidetis juris is not universaly accepted and in any case it does not trump the principal of self-determination enshrined in the UN charter and various general assembly resoultions (you know, those non-binding advisory resolutions which you Malvinistas love to trot out AND violate on a whim).
In any event, as of Argentinas independence [from the Spanish empire] the Falkland Islands were a disputed territory. Both Spain and Britain had claims of the islands and neither had forfeited said claims. Thus, at best, Argentina can claim to have inhereited Spain's claim (even though Spain continued to claim the Falkland Islands for some time post independence). 180 years of unbroken British sovereignty (bar 1829-1833 and 1982) and a population who resolutely refute the Argentine claim, many of whom can trace their ancestry back 8/9 generations (to the original non-aligned Vernet settlement) rather trumps your cries of 'uti possidetis juris!' and attempts to apply it retrospectively (I doubt there was such a thing as international law in the early 19th century, much less any recognition of uti possidetis juris by the 'international community' outside of newly independent latin american colonies scrambling for territory.
Also, it may seem odd to your, but points of principal and international law aren't decided by letters to the editor. This particular chap is displaying conviction to a principal as shallow as a worms grave, based on crude notions of territorial inheritence.
The application of such shallow and ill thought out legal principals as uti possidetis juris has hardly been a great success story. In the places where it has been applied (in particular Africa and the Middle East) it has resulted in artificial nation states comprising myriad warring factions/tribes.
Well Done Roger, although it will have probaly fallen on deaf ears!
May 31st, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
The exact reasons that argentina uses to claim the Falklands, could / can be used by any other country, to claim any other country,
May 31st, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So imaging the chaotic situation if this was allowed to happen,
By Christ you would have the argentines claim the planet .
& 21
May 31st, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You and Think don't have able to defend enough Argentina here.
maybe you are the same person.
Unfortunately Roger, Argenweener are not interested in the rights of The Falkland people especially the right to Self Determine as this undermines their bogus claim to the islands dead in the water so peace will be almost impossible based on human rights. Firmness is the only answer.
May 31st, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 031 anubeon
May 31st, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Truth can be a dangerous thing. It is quite patient and relentless”
Looks like you are having a hard time to hide the truth...
“Falkland Islanders have criticised the Government's official history of the 1982 war, claiming that it contains a series of ”serious“ errors which make it too sympathetic to Argentina's claims to the territory”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/7331547/Official-British-history-of-the-Falklands-War-is-considered-too-pro-Argentina.html
@36 Marco Alejandro
May 31st, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are you waffling on about now Senior Alejandro?
That rather pointless (strawman?) link of yours points to an entirely valid complained made against an 'official' history text. Personally, I've always though that 'official' histories were ill-advised. More a matter for propagandists than serious historians.
“I was trying to explain the nature of the arguments. I was not looking at any primary sources. I couldn't claim to be a historian of that period. My remit was to write about 1982.”
Note, Senior Alejandro, that the author of the contested history admitted to doing NO PRIMARY RESEARCH. In light of a lack of primary research, his references to the 18th and 19th century history of the Falkland Islands is so much ill sourced guff. Any reputable authory/historian writing an OFFICIAL history should know better than to repeat rhetoric and propaganda without checking primary sources.
Of course these concerns did make it into the pages of a major daily newspaper. I wonder whether similarly contentious claims against Argentinas official history would be so published? I suspect that they'd either not be published or such complaints would be shouted down by a baying mob of jingoistic shivs.
cry foul all you want man you will still fail
May 31st, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just a thought
I wouldn't worry about Marcus, his posts are usually based on some newspaper article written by a single individual or in the cases above a member of the public claiming something or other. None of it constitutes a serious point of view, just random articles and posts.
May 31st, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In terms of the Argentine argument as ever its nonsensical and whimsical hence the reason why Argentina will not go to the ICJ with it because it knows it has no valid claim.
And unlike YPF Argentina can't steal the islands with the UK's might protecting it from the illogical and amoral attempts at bullying and harassment of the islanders to get a outcome.
Argentina as any bully does when it runs into someone who can easily take it down then cries wolf to anyone who will listen.
@Marcus - You still have not answered, my question. Stop dodging it....
May 31st, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think about it...
UN resolution 2065 states clearly that the FI could become an independent nation if they so choose. An independent nation is the permanent solution the UN wants.
www.falklands.info/history/resolution2065.html
So tell me a instance when the Falkland Islanders would choose to become part of Argentina instead of becoming an independent nation?
“It is not clear that we have ever possessed the sovereignty of these islands.”
May 31st, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Duke of Wellington
John Troutbeck(British Foreign Office, 1936) branded the British takeover in 1833 as “the actions of international bandits.”
#40
May 31st, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos won't answer that. He can't.
He (and CFK) know in a 10 second soundbite that an audience will hear “British colonialism” and think “bad”.
Anyone who looks or listens for more than the sound-bite: 3000 inhabititants, 99.9% happy with the status quo. 180 years settlement. Victims of bullying by Argentina. Self-determination. No displaced civilian population ever....see through the lunacy, hypocrisy and greed of the Argentine Reich.
So...soundbite “British colonialism, poor Argentina, return las Malvinas” gets sympathy.
full story....gets ridicule and contempt for Argentina.
Great speech, unfortuately democratic principles of a free, equal, prosperous and democratic society are completely unknown to the monkeys chairing this commitee. They made their minds up before they got there, all the dodgy deals had been done. They are consumed with jelousy as they are from corrupt countries who have achieved NOTHING!
May 31st, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0General Assembly resolution 2065 of 1965 confirmed that the right to self-determination was not applicable to the islanders.
May 31st, 2012 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#40 May I suggest to read the facts from another source rather than Roger Lorton? aka in MercoP as redhoyt/hoytred/lorton, living in far away Thailand.
“May already! This occasional commentary piece has become very occasional. Of course the reason for this is that I’ve devoted rather more of my time to the Falklands History Blog and the Falklands News site.”
http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2012/05/13/lets-hear-it-for-expense-accounts/#comments
@44
May 31st, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0General Assembly resolution 2065 of 1965 confirmed no such thing. It invited Argentina and the UK to negotiate a solution to a “dispute” on the basis of General Assembly Resolution 1514 (Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples).
A UK negotiation initiative later culminated in the Argentine invasion of 1982.
Neither resolution 2065 nor 1514 provides for the forcible transfer of population or territory, and especially not on the basis of anything as comically mendacious as the Argentinian claim to the Falklands.
Roger
May 31st, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice succinct statement
Your very many friends in the mainland UK are foursquare behind you- until Argentina changes its constitution (as alluded to by Ms Castro but then retracted), there can be no “dialogue”.
You are completely masters of your own destiny and we in the UK will support that 100%. If you decide to be ruled by another country, we will respect that too - but I think Hell will freeze over first!!! ;-) (All flames/ trolls - I invite your comments!)
Funny how long the world takes to forget all the great achievements the UK has achieved
May 31st, 2012 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the world owes the UK big. and the world just wants to forget what it owes
A world without Great Britain,
May 31st, 2012 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will be a very sorry, violent, insecure , bloody doctorial , and barbarous place to live it ,
Unless of course you hate the British,
Then it is irrelevant
Is it not .
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We have no desire to become a colony of Argentina – for that is exactly what we would be if Argentina had its way” underlined the member of the Falklands Legislative Assembly adding “there can be no negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands”.
Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHHAHAHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAH!
Say Mr Martinez rogers! Oops..How did roger got there.....
”Imploring the Special Committee not to adopt the resolution as presented, Roger Edwards, an elected official of the Legislative Assembly of the Falkland Islands, and one of several petitioners to take the floor on the issue, pointed out that the text had been drafted without a reference to the wishes of the Falkland people and their fundamental right to self-determination. “Falkland Islanders do not wish to see a change from British sovereign status,” he declared. The Islands had never formed part of Argentina; they were self-sufficient, self-governing and enjoyed a high standard of living. “Please respect our people’s wishes and our right to self-determination,” he said
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/gacol3225.doc.htm
Just join the crying band,roger robber!,scum!LIAR!
How is he a liar exactly?
Jun 01st, 2012 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have never been to the Falkland Islands and perhaps never will visit, but I admire the people for their ability to live in harsh conditions and defend their homes. My ancestors that pioneered the American West did the same. Perhaps Argentina and its wacko president should study the law more closely. The UK holds valid claim under uti possidetis post 1982 after it sent the Argentine interlopers packing. Their claim of uti possidetis juris is as ridiculous as their chief executrix. Carry on brave people. May God bless and keep you.
Jun 01st, 2012 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0#51 thanks for that the islanders have the right to self determination.
Jun 01st, 2012 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pop quiz argentina the Beitish have been on the falklands since 1833 and even built and airbase and deployed aPRINCE!
what do you do.
A whine and throw an trantum obviously:)
”The third text would have the Assembly reaffirm the right of Non-Self-Governing Territories to self-determination, in line with Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) (1960), as well as to the enjoyment of their natural resources and to dispose of those resources in their best interest.“ Strange, it doesn't say ”...but not for the Falkland Islands”. It seems to me only Argentina believe it doesn't apply.
Jun 01st, 2012 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@53 Boovis (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 05:48 am
Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remember. Any text that mentions the Falkland Islands translates into Malvinistian as 'Malvinas son Argentinas'.
It doesn't matter what it really says.
54: true. I'm also confused as to why they consider a German guy who moved to the islands to not be a transplanted person but British people are....?
Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/ban-ki-moon-calls-for-the-decolonisation-committee-to-listen-to-the-people/
Jun 01st, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
What a circus !
Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0They talk about “ self determination ” rights on about few soldiers settled islands.
57: I have no idea what that means.
Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0So ...
Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0British settlers = Imperialist colonialist pirate squatters with no rights
Spanish settlers = The rightful owners of everything (despite the genocide)
How's that work then?
Why you kelpers can not understand, that you have no right to self-determination?. The dispute over the Islas Malvinas is between Argentina and Britain. You are full british citizens, so it is ridiculus that you want the self-determination principle. Is it so difficult to understand?
Jun 01st, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The territory was under argentine administration until you invaded them in 1833.
Well we have had it since 1833 so its now British soil you couldnt take it by force in a cowardly suprise attack.
Jun 01st, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give one good reason why we should give it to you?
Not like your a threat
Not like you can pay us
Not like their is anything we want from argentina.
So no we will be keeping it ( actually the kelpers will but thats obviously to complicated for you to grasp)
The reasons are there. Why UK was about to give the Malvinas back to argentina before 1982?
Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You invaded the islands first when they were under argentine administration. The Malvinas belong to us by law. It is ridiculus to support a territory 12000 km away from UK. You need 1 soldier for each kelper.
Excuse me, I forgot to say that you use Mount pleasant to train soldiers which after go to afghanistan, irak, etc, sorry.
You always say that kelpers elect their own authorities, but democracy is far away from “falklands”, many of the legislative assemblers have interests in the fishery industry. They like Money, not UK or Britain. Do not try to say sth. against them.-
willy and Martin,
Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is interesting that our Government (Argentina) is now floating the “uti possidetis” boat to see if they can legitimize their dodgy claim to the Islands. Now that has worked fairly well on the SA continent, but if the Tinman tries it on with the Islands he is going to lose hands down because WE LOST THEM IN THE 1982 WAR. Simple.
@60 Willie
Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Statement By Her Excellency Mrs. Rasie Kargbo
Ambassador & Deputy Permanent Representative
Before the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.
The Principle of self-determination, enshrined in the United Nations Charter remains a prime factor in any consideration of the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas). Therefore as much as we remain committed to our mandate as member of the Special Committee on Decolonization which is clearly, “the eradication of colonialism in all its forms and manifestations”, we are not oblivious to the basic principles outlined in General Assembly Resolution 1514 of December, 1960, which forms the basis of the Committee “All peoples have the right to self determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development”.
GAME OVER
1833 is as irrelvent as 1834 or 1835,
Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this is the 21st century,
stop living in the past .
@44 Marcos
Jun 01st, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After signing the “Convention of Settlement in 1850” Argentina published maps in the 1870s and 1880s which showed that the Falklands DID NOT BELONG TO ARGENTINA. The 1882 Latzina map clearly indicates this fact.
It is therefore conclusive that Argentina has no legal claim to the Falkland Islands. End of argument...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/53629230@N02/5040513492/
@60 @83
Jun 01st, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In any event, the islands were not under Argentine administration until 1833. Vernet recognised UK sovereignity. Nor was there an “invasion”, there was first and foremost a policing operation triggered by piracy of American vessels and a chaotic attempt to implant a garrison which ended in murder, mutiny, and bouncers being called in from the Royal Navy.
As for the question of self-determination, it is not for Argentina to determine who has it and who doesn't, or who is party to the “dispute” and who isn't. Self-determination is a principle which the UK state allows its own citizens (so long as they keep it democratic). And as you state yourself, the islanders are UK citizens. This is probably a difficult concept to grasp for those of a more authoritarian background and/or disposition, but it seems that the UN at least is getting the hang of it.
@62 willy (#) Jun 01st, 2012 - 01:16 pm
Jun 01st, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only a simple minded buffoon cannot understand that EVERYBODY has the right to Self Determination. That is EVERYBODY. No everybody EXCEPT the Falkland Islanders.
And only your indoctrinated brain washing teaches you that the British invaded the islands in 1833 and usurped Argentine rule. History tells a very different story. You are simply too stupid to accept that there might be a point of view that opposes the one that you have been programmed with by your government.
Try thinking for yourself for a change.
@68, Why do you think I am stupid? You say “History tells a very different story”, I do not believe in your story, the same way You do not in mine. I have read both sides of story. For example in www.falklandshistory.org they tell us that the HMS Clio “visited” the islands and it was supposed to “visit” the islands regularly from this moment on. Do not bias the story. What do you understand by “visit”??
Jun 01st, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Should I trust in a story written by the legislative assemblers?
Tell me the truth story of what has happened in 1833. I listen.
YOU HAVE TOO A POINT OF VIEW PROGRAMMED BY YOUR GOVERNMENT.
@69
Jun 01st, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'd have thought if the Argentine claim was so 'concrete' that they would have gone to the ICJ about this, and they haven't.
Why? Because they know they're lying through their teeth and they'd be told exactly where to go.
69 willy (#)
Jun 01st, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The proof is in the blood of the Islanders, a lot of their forefathers, and mothers, were among the original settlers on the islands, the very people that Perón and his fake historians said had been chucked out by the Brits.
If the civil population was expelled in January 1833 how was there an existing civil population including 2 gauchos in March 1833 when Charles Darwin did his inicial ride through the Camp?
How come our famous, or should I say notorious “hero”, Antonio Rivero, was still on the Islands in March 1833 if the civil population was expelled in January of the same year?
Unfortunately for Argentina this business of the expulsion of the civil population does not hold up.
@44 You really must let us know what makes you think you can read. Your words “General Assembly resolution 2065 of 1965 confirmed that the right to self-determination was not applicable to the islanders.” Having read the resolution several times, I cannot even find a reference to self-determination. It is difficult to see how a resolution can “confirm” something that isn't even mentioned. So, do please explain.
Jun 01st, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52 1690, actually.
@60 Actually, the Islands have been under British administration since 1690. Isn't that 120 years before you lot existed?
@62 Shall we take your stupid comments one by one? “Why UK was about to give the Malvinas back to argentina before 1982?” That's what the Foreign Office does. It's not called the Foreign Office for nothing. “Anything to keep foreigners happy.” is their mantra. “You invaded the islands first when they were under argentine administration.” I already answered that. “The Malvinas belong to us by law.” Whose law? Not British law. Not Falklands law. “It is ridiculus to support a territory 12000 km away from UK.” We like ridiculous. In 1939-45, it was ridiculous of us to go to war against Germany, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Japan etc. Did it anyway! “You need 1 soldier for each kelper.” Sorry? Barring recent arrivals, there are 3,140 Islanders. There are 1,200 soldiers. That's more like 1 soldier for every 3 Islanders. “Excuse me, I forgot to say that you use Mount pleasant to train soldiers which after go to afghanistan, irak, etc, sorry.” I'm also sorry. What we do in OUR territory is OUR business. Not yours!
@69 The problem, for you, is that we can prove our “story”. Can you prove yours? For instance, where are the logs that should have been kept by the pirate David Jewett? What about the logs of Jose Maria Pinedo? What about his list of the “passengers” he transported from the Falklands? These are items that any ship's captain would keep. Where are they? Not enough space to tell you about 1833!
Why do contributors keep producing historical dates and interpretations of incidents to support claim and counter claim over the islands. Following the second world war, resurrecting the League of Nations, the United Nations was formed. A charter was fomulated, nations signed up to that charter. All of those signaturees should respect the decision of the UN, or leave it. This should be decided in the 21C not the 19C.
Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina should stop harassing the Falkland Islands. I get harassed all the time and it not right. It makes me upset and tearful. I like boys...so what? It's a new century and I have the right to be what I want.
Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@74 So you're a pervert. Wanna troll around and see what some of your compatriots think of perverts like you? Doesn't bother me. Get anywhere near me and I'll shoot you. You're unnatural. Ever though of self-immolation. Go on, immolate!
Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are there any Wights from the Islands here ?
Jun 01st, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@73 Beacause 'The Convention of Settlement' a treaty signed by Great Britain and Argentina is an express agreement under international law. Treaties can be compared to contracts and either party that fails to live up to their obligations can be held liable under international law.
Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It goes without saying that Argentina has no legal rights to the Falkland Islands and their claim is based solely on proximity which has no legal basis.
As far as the UN goes, Argentina does not want to talk to the UK government on the Falkland Islands it wants to dictate. The right of self-determination is the overwhelming principle.
We don’t think, CFK is really interested in the islands, at all,
Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its just a popularity contest to her .
The more she brings em up, the more popular she becomes,
The more she avoids tell the public what a mess the country is in,
The more the brits get the blame,
And the more popular she becomes.
Her delusional image knows no bounds .
78 Briton
Jun 01st, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spot on. CFK is just using the Falklands to distract the gullible Argentine public away from her disasterous government's economic policies.
66 Brit Bob The only thing that maps shows is the real name of the islands(Islas Malvinas)
Jun 01st, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Between 1845 and 1849 Britain and France blockaded, attacked and tried to topple the Argentinean government and invaded Uruguay.
The Settlement of 1850 was signed after Britain and France failed, again to take control over our mainlan. Malvinas case has nothing to do with this.
@80
Jun 01st, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Considering the Great Pirate Outrage of 1833, you'd think it would be prudent, a mere 17 years later, to specifically exclude the Falklands, if no settlement were intended.
This guy is a lawmaker and still does not realize that the UN resolution 1514 that mentions self determination says it cannot violate partially or totally the territorial integrity of nations...
Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So this guy is using aneye patch like a pirat (cuac) because he only says a part of the UN resolutions 1514 but it seems he didnt read it all...
They say they are self-sufficient but to get self determination it cannot violate territorial integrity right which is the supreme right which says every nations is equal to the Law...
thats why the UN resolution 2065 was made, to put it in clear that the solution are negotiations between argentina and UK not the islanders...
the islanders said the same in all descolonization committee and they always lose, at least change the strategy, you seems to be parrots (cuac again) LOL
@82
Jun 01st, 2012 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where exactly does resolution 1514 say that?
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_1514
@75 Conqueror
Jun 01st, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come here you English pig dog and I will show you how much Brazilian chorizo you can really take.
@84forgetit87
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0My mum made me a homosexual.
Send her the wool, she will make you one too!
“history tells a tale of natural immigration” LOL yeah, right. It happens naturally because of osmosis. Soon we'll see Chinese, Indians, American, etc filling the empty space in Africa.
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@80 thats just a matter of how you read the document.
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@82 “This guy is a lawmaker and still does not realize that the UN resolution 1514 that mentions self determination says it cannot violate partially or totally the territorial integrity of nations...” you have answered your own question kind of lol 82. remind us was this before or after Argentina thrown the UN rule book out the window by invading the Falklands. Cause if there set before it kind of wipes the slate... just a thought
even so the Falklands have never really been Argentina bar the few years they “claim” to have been there pre 1833 though from sources i have read that complicated ( does 33 men, women and children really constitute a thriving colony?) and the few weeks the invaded in 1982
@84 British bulldog, no pig dogs here. though if your looking for pigs i hear Argentina has a few
CFK is using it to distract from Argentina's real problems. for most brits it mildly entertaining at best
personally i believe the islanders would much rather independence then coveting to an Argentine colony. im certain the could come to some arrangement with a major power for military support. i would think the US would like to have a military base in the south Atlantic but im sure they would prefer to keep the British armed forces and the general pubic would prob agree
Brilliant! I look forward to a time when the completely independent Falkland Islands is a full member of the OAS
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0It will never happens with the current population....keep dreaming ex empires..
@84 British bulldog, no pig dogs here. though if your looking for pigs i hear Argentina has a few
Really PUNK trabuco???You are vomitive! hooligan unemployed!
This is all Bsht. The future of the Falkland Islanders, is well and truly in the hands of the Falkland Islanders. Am I the only one that can see that? The UK will defend the Islands until such time that the Islanders say they no longer need defending and that is not likely any time in the near future!
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21 Are the Guardian the ICJ?
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/02/argentina-distorts-resolutions-and-history-for-the-c24/
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
@88 “Really PUNK trabuco???You are vomitive! hooligan unemployed!” Im quite happily employed thanks very much I also have my two children to raise by myself.
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0im only here because its mildly entertaining watching you people bark up the wrong trees and shoot yourself in the feet. well the government anyway. its fun to watch the defenders of the government come out declaring there vague claims and resolutions. Why is it you want the islands? Because there yours? because we took them from you? Why?
After reading that statement it occurs to me that Argentina would be much better off if they surrendered their sovereignty to the Falkland Islands and got themselves a proper government.
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklanders obviously know how to run a first-class-kick-ass operation; I'm sure they could kick RG's butt into shape too - given the chance and about 200 years.
The Falkland Islands by rights of discovery and prior settlement have a claim for parts of Patagonia. Argentina would indeed benefit by being run by the FIG-although they would be so succesful they would be in a real position to invade and keep the islands. Since 1941 Argentina has been unable to run a piss-up in a brewery. This is likely to continue.
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0tbf much easier to be a successful goverment with 3000 people.
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Running argentina like the old joke I wouldnt start from here.
As for the islanders,
Jun 02nd, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There decision will be final.
Out of interest, I got this of my other blogg/sites,
BOSSANO REMINDS C24 ECUADOR SEMINAR OF SPAIN’S COLONIAL HISTORY
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=25058
it may well concern the falklands .
Why doesn't UK provide for the british illegal aliens in Islas Malvinas Argentina have self determination in
Jun 03rd, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK when Argentine let's this pirats do as they wish in our oceanp and land???? In any case the fakland island company is not a country but a company who thefted Argentine governor luis vernet's land including his cattle ranch. Get a life british loosers. www.the-falkland-islands-co.com/index.php?section=0
97 Pirat-Hunter
Jun 03rd, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you do not own the oceans .
@83
Jun 03rd, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 06. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non- interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.
#99 you tell those british loosers in here, latinamerica should bring back execution for all this pirates,
Jun 03rd, 2012 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0100 Pirat-Hunter
Jun 03rd, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we all agree then
[you first]
@99
Jun 04th, 2012 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0British ownership of the Falklands is no more a violation of Argentine's territorial integrity than British ownership of the Isle of Wight is.
The islands are well outside Argentine territorial limits and have never been Argentine.
@99 You can't disrupt the national unity where none has occurred in the first place.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, it was Argentina that disrupted The territorial integrity of the Falkland Islands by illegally invading it.
This incidentally was counter to UN resolution 2065, which did not prescribe that invading the Falkland Islands was a solution that the UN approved of.
The subsequent Argentine refusal to follow UN resolution 502 means that Resolution 2065,( which only came about because the Argentines innacurately portrayed past history to the UN), died in 1982.
Can you tell us @99, why you place so much account on UN resolutions, when Argentina ignores UN resolutions itself?
= Pot-kettle-black.
@ Searinox
Jun 04th, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0UN Resolution 2065 (XX) of 16 December 1965, calls on Argentina and Britain to seek a peaceful solution to the Falklands issue within the framework of UN Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960. Section 2 of Resolution 1514 is clear: “all peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development”.
The above is also reason the UN will never quote self-determination for the Falkland Islanders under the current set-up. As for the FI to be on the De-colonization list mean the UN see the FI as a colony.
UN Resolution 1514 (XV)
'Recognising that the peoples of the world ardently desire the end of colonialism in all its manifestations,'
If the C24 were to quote self-determination it would effectively give their blessing for the FI to remain a BOT, (under Section 2 of Resolution 1514) which the UN doesn't want. The UN want the FI to be an independent nation as they know the Falkland Islanders don't want to be part of Argentina.
Hence Resolution 2065 (XX) noting the word 'objectives'.
'with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV)'
Its easier to have a look at the below link regard a similar case Gibraltar, Note that they also use the term 'interests of the people'.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Consensus_on_Gibraltar_by_the_UN_Committee_of_24_in_1964
@104 Steve
Jun 04th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 058 years later and there is still no outcome on Gibraltar !
Has the C24 actually achieved anything in the last 20 years ?
send the gibraltar people packing to britain and give it back to spain.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@106
Jun 04th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair, let's wind everybody's clock back to 1713.
106 Marcos Alejandr0
Jun 04th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to send everybody back, to where they came from,
then one must be a example for others to follow,
so=you first , argentines 2nd ,
@ 106 Marcos - TEMPER, TEMPER, I never thought I'd see you react like that.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm guessing you finally understand my points @40 & @104.
Self-determination is applicable, but will not be applied by the C24 unless the FI become an independent nation.
Effectively meaning that Argentina will never gain sovereignty of the FI, using diplomacy... most of us know this anyhow.
Common sense tell us - Argentina is an implanted population (fact) and they have the right to self-determination. Why should it be different for the FI, even if any of the 29 civilians were forcibly removed, 180 years ago, which is very doubtful.
Also, an apology is required from yourself to the good people of Gibraltar for that pathetic comment.
@ 106 Marcos Alejandro
Jun 05th, 2012 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“send the gibraltar people packing to britain and give it back to spain.”
- and send the murderous invaders packing to Europe and give South America back to the indigenous people who lived there before 1500.
@104 Steve-32-uk:
Jun 05th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly right. The simplest and easiest solution to the problem is for the Falkland Islands to officially become an independent state and a member of the UN. Then the UN would back the Falklands if Argentina's aggression were to continue. Argentina's neighbors would immediately stop all support for Argentina's claims. UK forces could remain to protect the Falklands exactly as now. Britain could maintain the UK citizenship of Falkland Islanders who are now British citizens.
99 Searinox
Jun 05th, 2012 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) There was no breach of Argentine territorial integrity in 1833 because Argentina had not yet established sovereignty over the Falklands.
2) UNGA resolutions are not retroactive to situations that happened before the UN was founded and the wording of article 6 makes it clear that it is aimed at future breaches of territorial integrity, not past ones.
3) The territorial integrity article in 1514 was replaced by another one in UNGA resolution 2625(XXV)
Nothing in the foregoing paragraphs shall be construed as authorizing or encouraging any action which would dismember or impair, totally or in part, the territorial integrity or political unity of sovereign and independent States conducting themselves in compliance with the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples as described above and thus possessed of a government representing the whole people belonging to the territory without distinction as to race, creed or colour.
Argentina is not possessed of a government representing the Falkland Islanders.
104 Steve-32-uk & 111 mcarling
As per Resolution 2625(XXV) there are 4 ways in which a territory can be decolonised
1-The establishment of a sovereign and independent State, 2-the free association or 3-integration with an independent State or 4-the emergence into any other political status freely determined by a people constitute modes of implementing the right of self-determination by that people.
The UN did not insist that several Australian, French, Dutch, Danish, New Zealand, and US territories had to become independent to be decolonised. It accepted the arrangements they had made with their metropolitan states and that was good enough. The UK has complied with the UN decolonisation requirements by applying option 4 to its remaining territories, so the C24 has no business treating British territories any differently to other states' territories. The C24 is failing to fulfil its obligations, not the UK.
110 St.John
Jun 05th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- and send the murderous invaders packing to Europe and give South America back to the indigenous people who lived there before 1500.
We took it fair and square as you say. The people are now Argentine. Not at all the same thing.
Argentina has only 1 territory dispute but the UK and USA has plenty....who is right and who is wrong here? No one hates Argentina but plenty of country's hate the USA and the UK...who is right and who is wrong?
113 Marcos Alejandr0
Jun 05th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fair and square,
They invited you in for tea,
committed suicide in front of you, and those that were left, all agreed to give there Spanish friend, all there wealth , money , gold , land , property,
And all agreed to be come subservient to you,
Oh and you forgot, the alien came down and signed a letter stating Spain owned everything,
[But sadly you lost it]
mmmmmm
@ 113 Marcos Alejandro
Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We took it fair and square as you say. The people are now Argentine.”
They hardly exist, they were butchered in repeated genocides, one of the last of which were 'la Conquista del Desierto' when thousands were killed, following which many of the men were forced to 6 years of military service while other men were isolated on an island where they perished from starvation and deseases.
The women were held as house slaves in Buenos Aires. They were separated to ensure they did not have offspring.
From a speach in the Argentine congress “exterminar a los indios salvajes y bárbaros de Pampa y Patagonia”
If you have your information about “El blancheado” from Argentine history books, you have been severely misinformed and I recommend e.g. this monografía: http://www.monografias.com/trabajos/indigenas/indigenas.shtml - search ANEXO I named “UN MODELO DE GENOCIDIO: ARGENTINA-LA CONQUISTA DEL DESIERTO.”
A contemporary source also has a different story to tell:
La Nación del 21 January 1879:
“Llegan los indios prisioneros con sus familias a los cuales los trajeron caminando en su mayor parte o en carros, la desesperación, el llanto no cesa, se les quita a las madres sus hijos para en su presencia regalarlos a pesar de los gritos, los alaridos y las súplicas que con los brazos al cielo dirigen las mujeres indias. En aquel marco humano los hombres indios se tapan la cara, otros miran resignadamente al suelo, la madre aprieta contra el seno al hijo de sus entrañas, el padre indio se cruza por delante para defender a su familia de los avances de la civilización.”
Following la Conquista del Desierto there were money to earn for a pair of ears from an indigenous person.
Not exactly “The people are now Argentine”, but “the people were extinguished”.
More miss information. More indoctrination.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bottom line is Spain took the islands and gave them to us. You invaded and stole them from us...return them.
It is so simple, why continue with this nonsense.
@112 Legally, you're quite right. However, the UN runs on politics more than on international law, so trying to stand on law while ignoring the politics does not yield good results. Independence would destroy Argentina's political case and further crush their already destroyed legal case.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@116 Spain tried to steal the Falklands from Britain. Spain abandoned the Falklands. Spain never gave, nor tried to give, nor intended to give, nor even contemplated giving the Falklands to Argentina. Britain reclaimed what was rightfully British. Spain recognized the Falklands as British. Argentina tried to steal the Falklands and failed. Game over.
Game on. 50 years and they will be “returned”.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So we will see you in say, 50 years then.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please shut the door on the way out,
It get draughty in here .
@ 116 Marcos Alejandro
Jun 06th, 2012 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“More miss information. More indoctrination.”
Just words - no valid arguments - or are you claiming, that the Argentine newspaper La Nación was misinforming and indoctrinating the Argentine people in 1879?
@118
Jun 06th, 2012 - 05:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only way the Falklands could become Argentine in the next 50 years -- or ever -- would be for the Falkland Islanders to democratically choose to become a colony of Argentina. That would require Argentina to be much nicer to the Falkland Islanders than they have ever been in the past.
nice has nothing to do with it. give them back to us NOW! They are ours. They are an outdated British colony.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos,
Jun 06th, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We all know and have known for some time, the only way you will ever get sovereignty of the FI is through another illegal invasion, with support from your extremist friends (Bolivarian Alliance).
give them back to us NOW! They are ours. (France)
Jun 06th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0give them back to us NOW! They are ours.(Vikings)
give them back to us NOW! They are ours.(Spain)
give them back to us NOW! They are ours.(Mickey and Minnie Mouse)
you missed [ 3]
Jun 06th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give them back to us NOW! They are ours. ] Galtieri ]
Give them back to us NOW! They are ours.( CFK ]
Give them back to us NOW! They are ours.(who’s next ])
112 dab14763
Jun 06th, 2012 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct but...
The C24 is corrupt, a lot of the countries that make up the committee have publicly supported Argentina. They will never agree with the UK on BOTs... Only full independence will shut Argentina up.
@Marcos
You are a Moron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron
@ 125 briton “who’s next”
Jun 06th, 2012 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Winnie the Pooh?
The fairy god mother?
Easter Bunny?
hugo the bear,
Jun 07th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0goldilocks
and humpty dumpty .
ha ha .
what is wrong with you people. 99% of the worls knows las malvinas son Argentino. stop keep going on that they are not.
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