MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina declares Falklands’ oil activities “illegal and clandestine” and anticipates criminal and civil actions
Argentina declared on Monday the oil exploration by UK-listed companies in Falkland Islands waters “illegal” and their activities “clandestine”. Argentina has long claimed the Falklands/Malvinas as part of its territory. Read full article
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Jun 04th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Should be a 200 at least. Have fun everyone. Good thing I don't care about the Falklands as an issue.
I wonder what court they will be bringing this lawsuit to?
Jun 04th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2
Jun 04th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know, some kangaroo court in Argentina with no external authority I bet.
Besides, i'm fairly sure the 'deadline' for staying out of Falklands development was May 2nd, and legal proceedings would begin + they would press charges, haven't heard much about that anymore.
So on one hand they give a deadline of the 2nd May, and now they're “anticipating” action, what a pathetic bunch of cretins.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/04/26/argentina-warns-falklands-oil-companies-of-may-2-deadline-when-legal-actions-begin
Given that Argentina's corruption index is a poor 3/10, versus UK's 7.8/10, and with the Repsol experience still emerging, international and Argentine investors might be more willing to invest in Argentine companies if CFK dropped the lawsuits and embargoes against the Falklands, and sought full economic cooperation with UK companies.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reference CPI: http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2011/results/
Given that Argentina's corruption index is a poor 3/10, versus UK's 7.8/10, and with the Repsol experience still emerging, international and Argentine investors might be more willing to invest in Argentine companies if CFK dropped the lawsuits and embargoes against the Falklands, and sought full economic cooperation with UK companies.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAH
Still I live better in Argentina than you in uk,loser!
@3 Not sure, why the timing of this... but bearing in mind, CFK has a plan for everything, maybe the timing was so the FI representative at the 'special committee' didn't get chance to bring this up, as it was be in breach of UN resolution 1514 article 2.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.'
http://www.falklands.info/history/resolution1514.html
Is “clandestine” one of those words that has a different meaning in Argentina?
Jun 04th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentine waters” LOL. This is hilarious. Bring it on :))
Jun 04th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 004 Jun 2012
Jun 04th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina to 'immediately launch' criminal proceedings against UK oil firms operating off Falklands Islands”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9311204/Argentina-to-immediately-launch-criminal-proceedings-against-UK-oil-firms-operating-off-Falklands-Islands.html
“Rockhopper Exploration: Some potential partners put-off by Falkland location”
Means:Rockhopper Exploration: Some potential partners put-off by Malvinas location and Argentina's pressure.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9311204/Argentina-to-immediately-launch-criminal-proceedings-against-UK-oil-firms-operating-off-Falklands-Islands.html
The Argie government will be in touch with the British Treasury. And what then. Blow it out your arse Kretina!
Jun 04th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argie government are a better comedy show than any currently on British TV. I bet all the above company executives are quaking in their boots from laughter.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The main event with KFC going to to UN to tell her sob story is next week; maybe this is a buildup to it.No wonder nobody takes the Argies seriously.
LOL! Argentina delares.....
Jun 04th, 2012 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Frankly, my Dear, we don't give a damn.
Monaco is a tiny territory. Lichtenstein is a tiny territory. The Falkland Islands are not tiny as anyone who has yomped from San Carlos to Stanley will testify.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - You are funnier than your gvt. Getting off that some companies wont get involved.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We only need one company :-)
I will love to see this legal action. Will your lawyers be paid in USD?
@ Marcos Alejandro
Jun 04th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I respect your opinion. Would you answer my question please...
Do you believe Argentina will invade the FI in the future?
If so, do you think any Latin American countries will support them?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Falklanders, don't worry. The Argentine Gov't took Uruguay to the Int'l Court of Justice at the Hague over a supposedly polluting paper pulp mill in the region of Fray Bentos. And Argentina lost on practically all counts. They have subsequently ignored the Court's rulings. It has recently been established by a Canadian lab that pollution in the region originates in raw sewage from the Argentine town of Gualaguaychú. Now the Argentine Gov't will not allow the foreign lab's findings to be published.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only effective action Argentina could take would be of a military nature. Whether they'd dare is anyone's guess.
15 Steve-32-uk That will never happen.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 014 Beef ”We only need one company :-)”
Good luck :-)))
“Argentina has claimed a bizarre victory in its bid to stop British companies exploring for oil off the Falkland Islands, proclaiming ”satisfaction“ that BP had written to say it had no plans to enter the region”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9198483/Argentina-satisfied-by-BPs-Falklands-rejection-letter.html
UK is the administering power in the Falkland Islands, these are UK registered companies and British courts have jurisdiction on both counts. Let's see a High Court injunction being sought (but payment up front and not in Pesos please).
Jun 04th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RKH are very pleased with the companies that have entered the data room.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - i say a farm-in is on the way. What do you say? We don't do luck Marcos. We do business and business is done in USD.
im glad there will not be war :)
Jun 04th, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0making it illegal is irrelevant unless you can enforce it which i cant see any way that Argentina can and generally the world see the Falklands as British therefore able to develop they own hydrocarbon industry with very few exceptions
all attempt's at interference will fail, its inevitable. everyone loves oil there will always be a buyer
as will any attempts to negotiate over Argentina apparent sovereignty issue. UK does not have any issues. the Falklands Belong to the Falkland islanders. simple. Its Argentina who have a issue. UK hold the power For the Falkland islanders to develop there islands and strictly speaking there really is not a lot Argentina can do about it. other then rattle sabars. which is not helpful and would likely lead to war as Argentina get fed up of waiting. UK will always stand firm to principles. Argentina is more irrational
Normally in El Clarin and La Nacion even the majority of the the CFK/Peronista haters show support for the government for the Las Malvinas issue.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looking at the papers today its clear that the vast majority of these people have had enough of the government diverting their attention with this political tool.
This could be the turning point with the Las Malvinas issue.
'This buried treasure dwarfs the proven oil reserves of Britain. With just three billion barrels remaining in oil fields in the North Sea, Britain has a strong financial motivation to cling on to the Falklands, a tiny territory 12.900 kilometres from its own shores.'
Jun 04th, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ambassador Sir Mark Lyall Grant, 11 Feb 2012...
Q. “One thing that has changed and that some people say might be at the crux of this whole new layer, is the explorations in oil and gas in the region? Can you address that issue? Is that the problem from Britain? Is that a problem for Argentina?”
A. “Well, it may be a problem for Argentina. It may not be coincidence that this new bout of rhetoric has come about after there was some suggestions that there may be oil and gas reserves in the Falkland Islands’ waters, but as far as we're concerned, the Falkland Islanders have every right to exploit their economic resources in their own waters and if they do exploit those resources it will be for the benefit of the population of the Falkland Islanders, not for the benefit of the United Kingdom.”
Note... Any Falkland Islands oil Revenues will belong to the Falkland Islanders, not the UK.
@21 what do you mean by “This could be the turning point with the Las Malvinas issue.” Tobers?
Jun 04th, 2012 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 019 Beef “i say a farm-in is on the way. What do you say?”
Jun 04th, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkw2DdoskPY
I meant to say that its not working anymore on the middle classes and rich - they can see the country is on the slide downwards and are now more worried about the economy and their dollars than this sovereignty claim, understandably. Its no longer a priority.
Jun 04th, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Criminal and Civil actions LOL!! What if the companies involved just took a lead from Arsentina itself and refuse to acknowledged any judgments? after all how much money in fines and debt does Arsentina owe the rest of the planet and still refuses to pay?
Jun 04th, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“[TOBY][TOBERS][TTT]” are not Kirchnerites
Jun 05th, 2012 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0is this true then .
please tell me , you 3 .
Just a wee song for HRH The Queen on this memorable day!
Jun 05th, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0and written by a fellow Scotsman/Brit like myself self James Thomson.
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
When Britain first, at heaven's command,
Arose from out the azure main,
This was the charter of the land,
And Guardian Angels sang this strain:
(Chorus)
The nations not so blest as thee
Must, in their turn, to tyrants fall,
While thou shalt flourish great and free:
The dread and envy of them all.
(Chorus)
Still more majestic shalt thou rise,
More dreadful from each foreign stroke,
As the loud blast that tears the skies
Serves but to root thy native oak.
(Chorus)
Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame;
All their attempts to bend thee down
Will but arouse thy generous flame,
But work their woe and thy renown.
(Chorus)
To thee belongs the rural reign;
Thy cities shall with commerce shine;
All thine shall be the subject main,
And every shore it circles, thine.
(Chorus)
The Muses, still with freedom found,
Shall to thy happy coasts repair.
Blest isle! with matchless beauty crowned,
And manly hearts to guard the fair.
(Chorus)
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
Its a “win-win” for the Falklands - great if commercial oil found and money coming in, but also if no oil found, at least Argentina has less incentive to be fussing about Falklands.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed
Jun 05th, 2012 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British Falklands are British, full stop.
The argentine government or CFK or even her supporters have no legitimate claim on the islands,
They are used as a porn by the argentine government, as a diversion to there own economic mess .
Is this not true ,
And the decent argentines who just want it all to go away, so they can concentrate of there own problems,
And wish CFK would do the same .
Hope they keep up the pressure on these companys. Yes to negotiations, no to this unilateral oil heist.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0#21 & #25 Tobers, don't be so sure. If Clarin and the rich are now blocking with Britain surely that could mean the poor will identify with the Malvinas issue all the more, and see their own ruling class as traitors...
@28 HRH The Queen are you working for BBC, The Queen not HRH but HM
Jun 05th, 2012 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@31British_Kirchnerist Where u fae?
Jun 05th, 2012 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@17 BP own a large share of an argie oil company that they are desperately trying to sell.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0A deal with the Chinese fell through not long ago. I wonder why they want to sell up?
Careful not make too much smoke Argentina, people won't be able to the mirrors.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - What are you willing to wager. If you really believe you are right then you will have no problem with this. Although as you are an Argie i think you will decline.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0BK - what pressure are you on about?
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Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0As an Argie he will accept the bet, and then refuse to pay when he loses, then he will rewrite what you actually bet on, hoping that nobody checks, and claim that you owe him.
I would have thought you knew that.
P.S.
Rockhopper have a preferred farm-in partner. Deal virtually done...first oil 2016, 80000bpd.
FOGL have a potential partner lined up too, with a requirement to declare or not by the start of the Loligo drill. I'll wager they had taken legal advice before staking their $6m deposit, the placing of which presumably makes them clandestine criminals in Argentina too.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0the 5 company's looking for the oil have already put a lot of money in to the project you can be sure they will want a return
Jun 05th, 2012 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0The oil companies' activities are taking place well outside the Argentine maritime limits as defined by the United Nations. So Argentina should take the matter to the International Court of Justice for resolution - where, of course, they will lose and decline to accept the Courts decision. Either way it's a “WIN WIN” for the oil companies and an “UP YOU” for Argentina - a lot of losers!
Jun 05th, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0(37) and (38)
Jun 05th, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Soooo...........
RKH and FOGL have both preferred/potential farm-in partners lined up...?
That's a nice piece of insider information...!
BUY,.... BUY,.... BUY.....................
FOGL already have a farm-in that is signed up. Wild cat drill therefore high risk = speculative buy
Jun 05th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0RKH = Fully appraised discovery on proific acreage. Data room attractive significant interest. Independent probability of production called at 9/10. All major risks removed and trading at a discount. STRONG BUY
TWIMC
Jun 05th, 2012 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“FOGL: ...already have a farm-in that is signed up”............. O'RLY ???
“RKH: Data room attractive, significant interest”................ DON'T SAY !!!
she can huff she can puff, but this house isnt coming down.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina should wait and see to attempt on WTO.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 05 Malvinero1----- Bet you’re not living better than me in my £750,000 home where I live when I am not living in my Spanish home or my Turkish home. Or when I am not going on one of my many cruises that I take each year to all parts of the world including the one I will be taking this year to your neck of the wood. The only downside to that cruise is that I will have to visit your Godforsaken hole; the upside to it though is that I will once more visit the Falkland's where I will along with many of the passengers receive a warm welcome and in doing so I will spend quite a bit of my money to help with the Falkland's economy.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0What I will not be doing is spending more than I have to in your hole of a country I only spend money on people who deserve to have money spent on them. LOSER
I suppose. You could string some camoflauge netting over an Oil rig or paint it blue or more likely grey for the south atantic.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still hardly covert.
Maybe they are operating from the secret navy base the one the Royal Navy used to build replacements for the aircraft carriers it lost in the war.( maddest ever conspriacy theory).
If the islanders could build aircraft carriers in a month using less than a thousand people they wouldnt need oil they,d be kings of the world:)
@46 Britishbulldog,
Jun 05th, 2012 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Strong words, but silly malvinero1 deserves them. lol
5 Malvinero1 (#) AHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAH
Jun 05th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still I live better in Argentina than you in uk,loser!
You may well do, with your deadly trains, ankle breaking broken pavements, numerous no go streets and of course the everyday chance of being shot at a toll booth or indeed stabbed six times for a camera in broad day light, so really you need to take your head out of your sweaty arse and have a look at the plac e you live in before shooting off.
Marcos, opne of the amusing sides of mercopress is the utter rubbish and drivel you come up with every time. The other dasy it was some drivel implying that you had just found out that UK no longer ruled the waves- the rest of us have known that since 1945, but then you base your understanding of Britain on the content of a miniority trendylefty paper - the Guardian so its not surprising that you are aslways so far off target with your ramblings you must be Arguello,s twin!
Jun 05th, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right from their first discovery RKH made it clear - if it was in the north seas then exploittion would proceed automatically - as its the bottom of the wqorld miles from modern backup and construction facilites even a 10yr old can realise that development is a lot more expensive and logically thus more risky - thus one of 2 things are needed - someone who is prepared to take that risk - or another field find perhaps in the new area now being explored.
Argentina and its rantings have bugger all to do with what will or will not happen - It will be decided simply by money and potential returns - nothing else. Loically Arg rantings will put off investors already involved in Argentina - that is not exactly rocketscience to see! But there are many many who could invest if they think it worthwhile and who have b-all to do with Argentina so have no interest in the rants of a maniac president and Foreign Minister.
The Falkland Islands nd the waters around the islands have absolutely nothing to do with Argentina.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina signed a treaty in 1850 with Great Britain and after that date produced maps acknowledging that the Falkland Islands did not belong to Argentina. Then along came Peron and successive Juntas who put their propaganda ministry to work twisting irrefutable historical facts.
A treaty: Can be compared to contracts and a party to either that fails to live up to their obligation can be held liable under international law.
The “Convention of Settlement” is such a treaty.
The Argentinina government can huff and puff all it wants but outside Argentina their rhetoric will fall on deaf ears.
ARGENTINA'S CLAIMS TO THE FALKLANDS HAVE NO LEGAL BASIS
They know there is no legal basis, Its just another smoke screen to turn heads, could it be that they are worried about the chanting on the streets (cacerolazo) My advice to citizens of BA, to show strong support against the corruption of the government when the head of state is in NY...
Jun 05th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone read this and burst out laughing?
Jun 05th, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seriously couldn't make this up, its like these folk live in a alternative reality.
And in keeping with this reality then these companies would surely face legal action in Argentina given the crazy, lying/deluded fools in the Argentine government oddly believe Falkland's waters are actually Argentine waters?
Anyway none of this matters since Argentina has zero power to do anything about it other than to seek public approval for their latest childish show.
50 Islander1 “you base your understanding of Britain on the content of a miniority trendylefty paper - the Guardian..”
Jun 05th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you read my post at #17 and #9 you will see links to your beloved conservative media. And the aricle“The Queen no longer rules the waves” you can read it again in the same Tory media.
Relax Islander and please send Mr Beef a bottle of that rare and precious oil.
Remember the ratio? Eight penguins make one gallon of oil.
http://www.falklandsconservation.com/wildlife/penguins/peng-history.html
@1 See whether you can get this through your thick head. Argie courts have NO, repeat NO, jurisdiction in the Falkland Islands. Here's another one. Argie courts have NO, repeat NO, jurisdiction in the United Kingdom. Lawsuits cost millions. Sometimes billions. You don't have that much money. And, even if you did, it would promptly be seized to pay off some of your debts.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now, no UK or FI court would even countenance your criminal and civil proceedings. But then you couldn't take your actions to an FI court, could you? If you try in a UK court, you will get told that the FI has jurisdiction.
But do feel free to spend loadsa money you don't have.
Were you thinking of going to the ICJ? We'd like that. We could finally get to show the world what stupid, incompetent, irrational dolts you are.
Trust us on this. WE have all the proof we need. Including the proof of the lies that you have told the UN over the years.
@5 Not for long! AHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAH
@31 There is NOTHING wogga wogga land can do.
@41 Yeah. Give us YOUR money. But only dollars.
@45 No, no, no! You need to get in now. Appoint your lawyers. Pay your first sets of fees. Get your initial statements out there where everyone can see them. Here's a thought. When the UN finds out how you've been lying to them for nearly 50 years, you'll have one less place you'll need to visit!
@54 You should be asking for a bottle. It's the closest you'll ever get!
http://falklandshistory.org/sites/default/files/false-falklands-history.pdf
Jun 05th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This report puts the cap on Argentina's claim now and for ever.
perhaps the time has come, for these deluded argie bloggers, to get together, and come up with a new stratagy, or come over to our side lol.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 056 Gordo1
Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0interesting reading thanks, especially the part about the 1882 Latzina Map which clearly shows that Argentina did not consider the Falklands part of its territory.
56 Gordo(Pelotudo)
Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper are paid by the same colonial “government” that considers the Official British History wrong and pressured to change it.
“Falkland Islanders have criticised the Government's official history, is considered too pro-Argentina”
Mr Pepper said: “This work has the stamp of official history. That is the problem”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/7331547/Official-British-history-of-the-Falklands-War-is-considered-too-pro-Argentina.html
@59 What's your problem? You have the “stamp” of La Campora and the argie “government”.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos A. @ 59 - I would respectfully suggest you re-read the Telegraph article and see if you can make better sense of it. A paper by Pascoe and Pepper has been making the rounds in Montevideo for weeks. It states that Argentina has been hoodwinking the UN and that Argentine lies about historical aspects are worse than was thought. I hate to cut and paste, but here are the main points:
Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Repeated untruths at the UN
This brief paper examines the historical assertions made
by Argentina at the UN, which have remained largely
unchanged since José María Ruda’s presentation in 1964. His
speech would be hard to beat for sheer concentrated
inaccuracy. Among many others, he made the following
untrue assertions, some repeatedly – the number in brackets
at right indicates how many times he stated each one:
1. That Spain made an express reservation of its
sovereignty in the treaty of 22 January 1771 which ended
the crisis caused by Spain’s peacetime attack on the
British establishment at Port Egmont in 1770; (6)
2. That Argentina put a governor in the Falklands in 1823;
(1)
3. That Britain expelled the Argentine population from the
Falklands in 1833; (5)
4. That the Argentine inhabitants resisted the British
“invaders”; (2)
5. That Britain replaced the Argentine inhabitants with
British subjects; (2)
6. That there has been no international agreement to
confirm Britain’s possession of the Falklands; (1)
7. That Argentina has never accepted Britain’s possession
of the Falklands; (3)
8. That Argentina has never ceased to protest at Britain’s
possession of the Falklands; (6)
9. That Argentina’s claim is imprescriptible, i.e. eternal
unless freely given up; (2)
10. That the present Falkland Islanders are a temporary
population; (2)
11. That Britain’s possession of the Falklands violates the
territorial integrity of Argentina; (4)
12. That Britain seized South Georgia and the South
Sandwich Islands by force from Argentina. (2)
All those assertions are untrue.”
@59 Yet everytime you are asked to come up with evidence to counter this you can't because there isn't.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos-where is the evidence to support the Argentine claim that Captain Onslow evicted the civilian setttlers at Port Loius, rather than gave them a choice as to whether they stayed or left in January 1833?
Answer???????????????????
Just a few examples written outside Argentina
Jun 05th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British Empire
“Three years later, the British did formally leave the islands and they passed into the Spanish Empire for the next forty years. This arrangement was formally recognised by the British in the 1790 Nootka Sound Convention by which Britain formally rejected any colonial ambitions in 'South America and the islands adjacent'. It also reflected a weakening of British power in the Western Hemisphere coming shortly after the embarrassing loss of the 13 colonies partly thanks to French and Spanish intervention.
The Spanish claim on the islands would falter with the South American Wars for Independence at the start of the nineteenth century. The Spanish removed their formal representative and settlers from the island from 1810 and completed it by 1811. The islands were left to their own fate for the next decade as sealing and whaling ships might call in from time to time to take advantage of the harbour and fresh water. It was not to be until 1820 that the United Provinces of Rio de la Plata would send a frigate to the islands in order to assert their control as part of the legacy of post-colonial Spanish claims to authority there. Buenos Aires would appoint their first governor in 1823 who tried to limit the whole-scale slaughter of seals which were in danger of being made extinct on the islands. A penal colony was also established on the island”
The book The last Colonies by Robert Aldrich and John Connell page 200
1833 ' The Brithish commander raise the Union Jack, claimed possession of the islands and expelled the Argentinians.
”The Falklands officially became a Crown colony in 1840, a governor and a few Scotsmen arrived to establish a British pastoral settlement. Argentina hotly disputed the Brithish takeover, and Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands”
Prime Minister Wellington, UK., the British general who defeated Napoleon and was t
@63 Vice-President Marcos Paz, opening
Jun 05th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1866, said:
The British Government has accepted the President of the
Republic of Chile as arbitrator in the reclamation pending
with the Argentine Republic, for damages suffered by English subjects in 1845. This question, which is the only one between us and the British nation, has not yet been settled.
Pity about that, eh?
Thanks #64, now I can finish my post of #63
Jun 05th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Continues..
Prime Minister Wellington, UK., the British general who defeated Napoleon and was twice British prime minister
” It is not clear to me that we have ever possessed the sovereignty of all these islands. The convention certainly goes no farther than to restore to us Port [Egmont], which we abandoned nearly sixty years ago. If our right to the Falkland Islands had been undisputed at that time and indisputable, I confess that I should doubt the expediency of now taking possession of them. We have possession of nearly every valuable post and colony in the world and I confess that I am anxious to avoid to excite the attention and jealousy of other powers by extending our possessions and setting the example of the gratification of a desire to seize upon new territories”
@56 Gordo1,
Jun 05th, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That blows their ridiculous “claims” out of the water, he he, snigger.
@64 Conqueror,
Marcos just didn't listen to anything you said.
He just waited til you had finished to begin his ravings again.
@63 &65 Marcos Alejandro,
Hey Marcos, explain this to me please.
When you & other malvinistas have been bringing up the “evils” of the British Empire, you lot often go on about how “liberated” Argentina was in comparison & how you abolished slavery in 1810 or 1816 or whenever, yes?
lf the Falklands were really Argentine territory then how come Vernet had black slaves on the Falklands in 1833?
Now don't tell me the government in BsAs didn't know about it!
They had a, ha ha “Govenor” on the islands you say?
Even you must know that your ridiculous “claims” cannot hold water.
ln light of the evidence, your “claims” are flying away like leaves in a high wind.
Tough cheese for you, mate.
Yes. but again Marco you are hanging onto a past, that no longer exists,
Jun 05th, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 01850 killed of any that went before it,
And 1982 killed of any remaining bits of infection, full stop.
You cant keep bring up 1833,
Or Spain can probably bring up 1800 whatever, and state you illegally got your independence, bla bla , and you still belong to Spain.
Where will it ever stop.
Marcos:
Jun 06th, 2012 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the British expelled all the settlers in January 1833, how come the murderer Antonio “El Gaucho” Rivero and his cronies murdered their coleagues in August 1833 and were captured IN THE ISLANDS a year later on 9th January 1834.
Do you think they and their victims all came rushing back from Bs As after being expelled by the Brits.
I think you have a logic problem.
Ask the first descendants of Argentina? they may have a piece of paper in the drawer somewhere stating the sold the land to some nice people and they are not bothered in the slightest by the low numbers of real locals in modern Argentina, so there proof that Argentina is the rightful owner of just about everything it says it it is...................arse
Jun 06th, 2012 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 068 Simon68 “I think you have a logic problem”
Jun 06th, 2012 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try this book:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Second-Book-General-Ignorance/dp/030795174X
70 Marcos Alejandro (#)
Jun 06th, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 06th, 2012 - 04:39 pm
What the hell do I want a US$16.66 book for? I notice you have no answer to my comment.
I'll repeat the question: Do you think the murderers and their victims all came rushing back from Bs As after being expelled by the Brits?
Simple answer yes or no!!!
TO THE MALVINISTAS. Pascoe and Pepper make a list of most of the allegations
Jun 06th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0made by José María Ruda at the UN - they allege that these and other Argentine claims are totally false.
Are you able to prove Ruda's allegations to be true with the same documentary sources used by Pascoe and Pepper? Or, alternatively, are you able to refute Pascoe and Pepper? Somehow I don't think so!
72 Gordito
Jun 06th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are two amateur “historians” who began with a conclusion, then set out to make the data fit. That is always a bad way to do research.
Like I said before, Pascoe and Pepper are just paid “historians” by the colonial “government” in Malvinas...Argentinas of course.
Marcos,
Jun 06th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not only are you wrong, you know that you are wrong, but just won't admit it.
Are you a man or a mouse?
You dismiss & don't like Pascoe & Pepper simply because they can prove that you malvinistas are wrong.
What would be your reactions if they said that Argentina was right?
Why, you would love them.
Have you ever done your own research? Or do you just blindly believe everything that you were taught at school?
Marcos, free yourself, think for yourself, educate yourself(the last one seems to be an Argentine insult, but was not meant like that here).
Peace.
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Where is artillero? l liked talking to him.
Hi Isolde, another PMS moment? :-)
Jun 06th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About Salt and Pepper, believing in a language lecturer and a geologist with an honorary not earned degree, is probably not a good idea.
Artillero? He is trying to recover from a football match..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaSAQwUDQr4&feature=related
74 lsolde (#)
Jun 06th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 06th, 2012 - 10:01 pm
Not worth trying to save Marcos from his “malvinismo”, he is beyond redemption.
Do you notice how he will not answer my very simple question abaout the murderer Rivero?
I hope he is well paid by his La Campora masters, or is it mistresses?
Marcos A. @ 75 . I must respectfully inform you that I am far more inclined to believe Pascoe & Pepper than the Argentine Government's version. I suspect the world at large thinks likewise. It is amazing that even afterdecades of practising, the Argentines are still such unaccomplished liars. Has your country ever actually gained anything by lying? Argentine liar of the day: Dr. Hector Rodríguez of CARU.
Jun 07th, 2012 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Andres Cisneros
Jun 07th, 2012 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Referring to the pre-1833 settlers, Pepper says: “Such a group cannot be considered a genuine population at all” after describing “most them (as) gauchos.” If one did not know that Mr. Pepper is surely a distinguished citizen of the 21st century, both statements would sound racist. We Argentines have plenty of respect for the gauchos, whom we declared full citizens from the day we became independent. The Malvinas Islanders had to wait a little longer, from 1833 to 1982 to acquire the same status”
So true!
Marcos,
Jun 07th, 2012 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would you like a marked calendar, Marcos?
Then you can duck for cover at the “danger times”.
Weakling! Poltroon.
You didn't answer my question @66.
Why did your so-called “thriving colony” (ha ha!) on the Falklands have slaves in 1832 when slavery was “abolished” in Argentina at independence in 1810 or 1816 or whenever?
Could it be that “your thriving colony” wasn't yours after all?
Answer please, Marcos.
Don't do a sr Think on me & try to wriggle out of it.
Marcos:
Jun 07th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You still haven't answered my question twice repeated, we all know you can't.
Why don't you answer Isolde's question either, we all know you can't.
Malvinista de mierda.
@26 Good point. If the oil companies copy Arsentina's methods of working including ignoring ICJ and UN rulings, then all they have to do is ignore anything Arsentina says, and say, 'we're only using your methods.' Go away.
Jun 07th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 079 Señorita Isolde or Señora if you like, I will try to answer your question even I don't appreciate insults all the time. I know you for a while and I don't forget who taught to you how to master your beloved letter ñ in your old “kelper” keyboard.
Jun 07th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not a“ smart” British nor a British 'Wannabe' like the fool above, so I don't have all the answers nor I know the race of every Argentinean expelled in 1833 by your beloved people.
The Assembly in 1813 abolished slavery, however their first step would be the liberation of all slaves in the country, that provoked angry protests from Brazil, as many of his own slaves ran away to nowadays Argentina. Thus was issued only “freedom of wombs”: this law was that the children of slaves born in the territory of the United Provinces, were free. Slavery was finally abolished by the Constitution of Argentina in 1853.
80 Simon68
Your insults simply shows your intellectual level and proves nothing. I know I'm asking for a lot here but really “Insults are the arguments employed by those who are wrong”
Well Marcos, l suppose it is an answer of sorts. Thank you.
Jun 07th, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But it doesn't completely satisfy me.
At least you answered it in a fashion.
Sr Think would have just ignored it or tried to slime his way out of it.
Anyway, you really know that only the trespassing illegal mutinous garrison was expelled, not the civilians.
The civilian's descendents still live on the lslands & they don't want to be Argentine either.
What happened to the garrison, Marcos, when they got back to BsAs?
As you know, they had murdered their commanding officer.
Thank you Marcos for showing me the letter ñ.
ln Filipino(Tagalog)it has the same sound but is written ng.
By experimenting l have found many other letters. e.g. ü
Anyway, l have a new keyboard now.
Simon68 seems reasonable to me.
Don't dislike him/her just because he disagrees with you.
83 lsolde Noooo problem.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0About “But it doesn't completely satisfy me and Sr Think would have just ignored it ”
I don't “think” so, he would've recommend to you that famous “squiggly Spanish little snake” :-)
@82 You are the fool. You have been supplied links on many an occasion to prove that the British only expelled the illegal UPRP garrison in 1833 and not the civilian population, which included slaves that were freed by the British.
Jun 09th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact you choose to reject evidence rather than producing your own to counter argue it betrays your ignorance, my friend.
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