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Argentina in Bolivia after strong OAS declaration in support for Falklands’ claim
Argentina’s Foreign Affairs minister Hector Timerman has a challenging and fragile mission in Bolivia: to obtain strong support from the OAS general assembly for Argentina’s claim over the Falklands/Malvinas’ sovereignty ahead of the UN decolonization meeting in New York which President Cristina Fernandez has promised to attend. Read full article
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Jun 05th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0the Arg du0.... ha, desperate souls seeking desperate measures, and a chance favour with CFK! The note of desperation is best summarised in the extract from above ”In just over a week (June 14) President Cristina Fernandez will be addressing the C24 committee, first time a ruling president makes such a presentation”. Obviously not just a dollar avoidance trip and summer shopping spree in Macy's! At least she's not taking her leading dollar hoarder, and peso saviour. The Falklands team will feel honoured that their position, robust as it will be, should require the attention and energies of the Arg president to put them down! God Save the Queen and the Falkland Islands.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 07 Malvinas solidarity committees? LMFAO! Too bad Argentina doesn't spend some of that resource on the poor people of the Toba tribes or even making Mendoza a bit safer for its tourists at its wineries.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's see if every country represented there gives their support to Argentina this time. After all, according to the Malvinistas they have the whole world's support already.
Chuckle chuckle.
There will not be a total consensus in favour of Argentina's position. However, she may get a majority vote which, of course, won't mean much as countries such as México, Colombia, and Chile are really only half heartedly mouthing their support.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0you cant have amicable peaceful relations with Argentina unless you fully support there cause and claim(even if its illegitimate and goes against the right of self determination).
Jun 05th, 2012 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0its understandable why more able nations in the rest of the southern american Continent its a cheap way to play friends and they know UK rightly so ignores Argentina's claims (mostly because there so weak and based loosely on lies)
Expect the usual speech from KFC, heavily laced with Lies and Rhetoric!!!!
Jun 05th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hard to believe an argentine business man (Jon Vernett) who asked the UK for permission to set up a whaling station on the Falklands in the 1820's and after that permission was granted was then made a governor by the argentine government and given a small band of armed troops lasting from 1829-1833 when the British then rightly removed the argentine soldiers and its illegal governor but allowed any of the civilians who wished to remain could (and most did) stay under British protection.
Fact
1/ The argentines only ever had a business on the Falklands (Whale, Seal, Fish) which processed there catch and there fore increased the owners profits.
2/ That business was there for only 4 Years.
3/ The argentines are over 200 miles from the nearest point on the Falklands, if proximty was counted then argentina could claim Chile, Uruaguay, Peru in fact any country in SA except Brazil.
Long Live the Falklands.
@ 1 Good pick :-)
Jun 05th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now, I may be thick but it seems to me that Argentina's demand for sovereignty directly contradicts it's demand for decolonisation.
How does that work? Decolonisation is - by definition - “the action of changing from colonial to independent status”. Therefore, were the Falklands ever to be declared a colony the UN would have no choice but to support that position.
This course of action can only be a loselose scenario for General Kirchner and were she “my” head of state I would be seriously concerned about her sanity right about now.
Whispering..... “Do you think she looks crazy?” ;-}
“In Colombia the position of the US, with President Barrack Obama attending, was crucial”
Jun 05th, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0In Colombia the position of the US is always crucial, thats why its in the mess its in! Bolivia is better on that count...
“a private lunch for the Argentine president with thirty first line US CEOs plus industry and finance leaders”
And people say she doesn't work and suffer for her country! Hope she's also scheduled some down time with nice people to recover from that one =)
#1 “Do you think she looks tired?”
If you mean in the picture, I think she looks like two men, Timmerman and Arguello to be precise!
Which company do you think she'll steal this time when she doesn't get what she wants at the meeting?
Jun 05th, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope she gets what she wants at the meeting then nationalises a company to celebrate =)
Jun 05th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh no Timmy has Boliva on his side, quick run, it's all over................twats
Jun 05th, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 010
Jun 05th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She can do whatever she wants. It will make no difference to the Falklands and you know it.
What did you think of HM The Queen's diamond jubilee celebrations over the weekend? Don't you wish you had a real queen instead of a plastic one?
failure seems to be a trend with Mr Timerman, I wonder If he does not get the support will he storm out of the meeting like his boss !!!
Jun 05th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can't be really happy about Evo's mixing up of “claims”.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This will turn counterproductive, as Chile would then definitely opose to the “package” and will surely havgain some backing.
Cristina's imaginary “union” would fall appart...
Any dialog would have to be between Argentina and the Falkland Islands as the UK will not do a thing without the consent of the islands people. They are in the driving seat here so what the hell is the point of all this yap yap yap when nothing at all will change unless we go to war again as there is no hope, no point or shag all anyone can do about any of this until Argentina grows some balls and forgets about its stupid nonsense of claims on the islands.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK appearance at UN De-colonization committee merely protocolar, because appears from the agenda (ref below) that Falklands isn't taken up as topic until 21 June.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK lunch with US CEOs will be heavy indeed, but given more pressing issues of Repsol, Cameco, corruption and dollar dealings, doubt the CEOs could think that Argentina's latest legal manoeuvres against Falklands oil companies as being anything but further evidence of Argentina's emerging autarkic, anti-international business policy.
However, presence of Falkland Islands rep at recent Ecuador regional UN Decol meeting useful to provide some counter to the heavy Malvinista representation. The meeting's online notes suggest that:
1. Argentina's argument continues to be based on their version of history;
2. Having Cuba's vocal support for Argentina should give Obama further reason to more actively oppose Argentina,
2. Nicaragua takes the cake for craziest presentation, with their rep noted as saying that the region strongly condemned the “UK occupation and military invasion”. Huh? UK military invasioin? If they're still thinking about 1833, Nicaragua missed something happening around 1982. Whew!
References:
Regional UN meeting notes:
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/gacol3235.doc.htm
Agenda, page 5:
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/gacol3235.doc.htm
Routes.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 01-Stay at home and work on policies and strategies to deal with inflation, energy shortages, gov cash flow problems etc etc.
Or
2- Fly around latin america spending tax payers money on expensive 'meetings' - flights, 5 star hotels, lavish lunches - which will almost certainly yield no benefit for the people of Argentina - or the region for that matter.
“Arguello and Timerman time of reckoning is near” Ha ha ha.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the first prat is saying to the second prat 'I think we need to come up with something better than tell The Mad Bitch a pack of porkies'.
Can't wait for the meeting! It's going to be such a spectacular failure.
@1 No! I think she looks dead!
Jun 05th, 2012 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Who is Jon Vernett? And I thought HE was “proclaimed Military and Civil Commander of Falkland Islands and the Islands adjacent to Cape Horn by the Republic of Buenos Aires in 1829” Is the “Republic of Buenos Aires” the same as “argentina”? It's not mentioned in Section 35 of the “constitution”.
@10 Why don't you give her the benefit of your company? The word is that she “likes” lickspittles.
Perhaps it's time somebody stood up, immediately after CFK preferably, at the C24 “meeting” and pointed out argieland's lies, as per http://falklandshistory.org/sites/default/files/false-falklands-history.pdf
A paper with the title “False Falklands History at the United Nations
How Argentina misled the UN in 1964 – and still does”
The UN hope for peaceful talks but have demanded nothing, and legally none of their calls so far have been binding. OAS has no jurisdiction over the UK. Mercosur, likewise. There is basically nothing that Argentina can do except be nice to the islanders and hope to win them over that way, but Argentina is like a petulant child who blows things at the most crucial moment. Their current methods are achieving precisely nothing, and turning against their allies in this, Chile, is one way to be sure they fail in their long term goals. Just give up.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 Yes. I think it would be most effective if the mighty KFC after her speech, was humiliated by the FIG delegation pointing out the lies to the UN in the 1960's that sparked res.2065. And also the United Nations definition of 'de-colonisation' which is independence, not other colonialisation. Also the lies about 1833 need to be nailed once and for all. But will the FIG take on KFC? It would make her look 2 inches high if they did.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arguello and Timerman are two pantomine politicians who are both completely out of touch with reality. Er hum are you listening...
Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands do not want to be decolonised.
Er hum...
The right to self- determination.
Er hum...
The treaty of 'Convention of Settlement' and the maps produced after acknowledging that the Falklands was not part of Argentina.
Er hum...
The lie that Argentine settlers were evicted from the islands in 1833.
Big lie and no more than propaganda from a country that lies in 100th place sandwiched in between Benin and Burkina Faso in the World's index of corrupt nations.
NO CASE TO ANSWER - THE FALKLAND ISLANDS ARE BRITISH. END...
@22
Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Not so) nice attempt; however, never trust technology (aka Google translate). Always trust the human cerebral cortex. Oh, thats rigtht, yours is not neurally wired to redact German. That's ok, it is capable, you just did not put the time required.
“Die aktuelle Situation wird später oder früher normalisiert.”
The current situation is being normalized sooner or later? That is a solecism. You may have wanted to say:
The current situation will be normalized sooner or later.
Die gegenwärtige Lage wird früher oder später normalisiert werden.
That is a typical translation mistake since english has only one passive construction for both true passive and stative, whereas German has these two separate. No biggie, just cool linguistical differences.
Tschüs.
Our government needs to be a bit more aggressive with its replies ,
Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But alas that’s whet happens when one is to polite to tell them to piss off,
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The picture says it all.
We’ve fxcked up again, and their laughing at us ,
[Just keep a straight face and pray .]
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“Normally Foreign ministers or country ambassadors before the UN address the C24, but on this occasion Argentina to further press the point, will be represented by President Cristina Fernandez but also with little latitude for last minute damage control since Argentina currently has no ambassador before the UN because Jorge Argüello was upgrades to ambassador in Washington.”
Jun 05th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Worst paragraph I have read this year in an official publication... Proofreading is dead.
@22 Reported, kraut.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 You forgot to mention the statement of the Vice-President of somewhere in 1866 that the only outstanding matters between wogga wogga land and England was the money wogga wogga land owed to English people.
@24 We don't actually “like” krauts. Or kraut lovers.
@26 Pity wogga wogga land isn't dead!
@27
Jun 05th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any time you Anglo-Saxons need my services to correct, rectify, revise, improve, or augment your vernacular usage, I'm here to assist with cordial alacrity. Same offer is proffered for the Germanics.
English being my 2nd language and German my 3rd, I'm more than glad to attempt to boost or heave you natives to my level. At the risk of seeming officious, I also extend this invitation to the recactors at Mercopress.
As I know there are a few Brazilians here
“Se vocês irmãos precisam de ajuda com a sua lingua, seja a gramática ou a redação, eu tambén posso lhes dar uma mão. Só devem perguntar e ajudá-los-ei... Não digo isso pra brigar, mas é a verdade. Eu sou um gênio.”
Needless to say, Spanish speakers, if you desire to learn proper subjunctive usage, including the revival of the future subjunctive, let me know.
:)
It looks like south america simply doesnt get it.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no one gives a rats fuck in the Uk or any other continent about what the OAs or the decolonisation committee thinks.
the UK is simple not interested.
Argentina has no claim over the Falklands, never did and never will.
It really is pretty simple.
@28
Jun 05th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you're going to be this pompous, at least get it right. willy's is perfectly good colloquial German, while your “wird .... werden” is a grammatical howler.
As regards your English vernacular usage, you might also bear in mind that an English native speaker would be unlikely to use “normalised” in this context.
@31
Jun 05th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is not facebook. The replies here should be properly indited. It is colloquial and SPOKEN only to omit auxiliary verbs. Even in yahoo! answers I could say
“Du sollst zum Teufel!”, but good writen Duden German clearly discourages this, and should add “gehen”.
This is specially true of the passive auxiliary since ommiting the auxiliary here does lead to clear ambiguity (present or future?), unlike my example above where the context is clear.
It is always discouraged to drop the future auxiliary in written German. Then again, the passive tends to be avoided anyhow.
The usurper country, Britain says they were before 1833 and the Malvinas have always been British, then the list of governors SPANISH appointed by the government SPANISH of Buenos Aires:
Jun 05th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 01767-1773 Captain of Ship Felipe Ruiz Puente
1773-1774 Captain of Infantry Domingo Chauri
1774-1777 Captain of Frigate Francisco Gil y Lemos y Taboada
1777-1779 Lieutenant of Ship Ramón Carassa y Souza
1779-1781 Lieutenant of Ship Salvador de Medina y Juan
1781-1783 Lieutenant of Frigate Jacinto Mariano del Carmen Altolaguirre
1783-1784 Captain of Ship Fulgencio D. Montemayor
1784-1785 Lieutenant of Ship Agustín de Figueroa
1785-1786 Captain of Frigate Ramón de Clairac y Villalonga
1786-1787 Lieutenant of Frigate Pedro de Mesa y Castro
1787-1788 Captain of Frigate Ramon de Clairac y Villalonga
1788-1789 Lieutenant of Frigate Pedro de Mesa y Castro
1789-1790 Captain of Frigate Ramon de Clairac y Villalonga
1790-1791 Lieutenant of Ship Juan Jose de Elizalde y Ustariz
1791-1792 Lieutenant of Ship Pedro Pablo Sanguineto
1792-1793 Lieutenant of Ship Juan Jose de Elizalde y Ustariz
1793-1794 Captain of Frigate Pedro Pablo Sanguineto
1794-1795 Lieutenant of Frigate Jose de Aldana y Ortega
1795-1796 Captain of Frigate Pedro Pablo Sanguineto
1796-1797 Lieutenant of Ship Jose de Aldana y Ortega
1797-1798 Captain of frigate Luis de Medina y Torres
1798-1799 Captain of Frigate Francisco Xavier de Viana y Alzaibar
1799-1800 Captain of Frigate Luis de Medina y Torres
1800-1801 Captain of Frigate Francisco Xavier de Viana y Alzaibar
1801-1802 Lieutenant of Ship Ramón Fernández de Villegas
1802-1803 Captain of Frigate Bernardo de Bonavía
1803-1804 Lieutenant of Ship Antonio Leal de Ibarra y Oxinando
1804-1805 Captain of Frigate Bernardo de Bonavía
1805-1806 Lieutenent of Ship Antonio Leal de Ibarra y Oxinando
1806-1808 Captain of Frigate Bernardo de Bonavía
1809-1810 First Pilot Gerardo Bondas
1810-1811 Second Pilot Pablo Guillén Martinez
After the emancipation of America, by the principle uti poss
I see your language teachers are as good as your history teachers, given that everything you say here is complete nonsense.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have got your main and auxiliary verbs mixed up, but if you look closely yow will see that “wird ... normalisiert” has both. Your own “wird normalisiert werden” has one of each, plus it has one other wtf-is-that-and-what-is-it-doing-there stuck on at the end.
Usage of the passive is frequent in German.
That said, I doubt that many other readers give a donald about the whole thing.
Jetzt bin ich deutscher, kein Willy mehr
Jun 05th, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24, Dear Truth_Telling_Troll, Ich habe kein Google Übersetzer benutzt. Deutsch ist meine zweite Sprache und English meine dritte.
Vielen Dank Hans Niesund.
So, discussions about the falklands / Malvinas are never ending.
Let us have peace one and for all...
Wrong. “wird” is the auxiliary for the passive, “normalisiert” is the past participle, which yes is the main verb.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you are trying to troll me. Only an idiot would say “wtf” to the use of werden in “wird normalisiert werden”. If you don't know what that werden is and what it is doing there, then go back to your intermediate German book.
The passive is MUCH less used than in English. English uses the passive far more often, German only does in news articles.
http://de.nachrichten.yahoo.com/vorw%C3%BCrfe-gegen-magnotta-m%C3%B6glich-053052888.html
When it is colloquial (since you love colloquial so much), you would never say “Mein Wagen wird gereinigt”... “Man reinigt gerade meinen Wagen.”
Or “Der Fernseher laßt sich reparieren” ... whereas English would use the passive “The TV set can be repaired”.
Spanish would also avoide the passive there “El televisor se puede arreglar” instead of “El televisor puede ser arreglado”.
Glad to answer further questions.
Truth telling idiot. You have been proven wrong. Your German is not as good as you would like to think. I can tell it is not your first language. I think that is clear to everyone here.
Jun 05th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35
Jun 05th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK, Herr Professor, try this from Der Spiegel (I assume you've heard of that) :
“SPD: Verhältnis zur Linkspartei wird normalisiert” (http://www.spiegel.de/video/video-1025507.html).
There is no “werden” there, but maybe it's because Der Spiegel's German isn't as good as yours.
Oh yeah, and they used a passive.
He drools when you guys reply to him,
Jun 05th, 2012 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It makes his education teachers, look good,
Or the local encyclopaedia
Diversion is the best diversion from the truth,
Avoid the question and throw in a question abt English or history,
And there ya go.
Another diversion,
The British Falklands are British,
And until the islanders change their mind, then it will remain British,
And no amount of alternative teaching will change that .
@36
Jun 05th, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well for the record I did say German was my 3rd language. Better than you, as you don't have even a 1st language, since it is visibly clear you can't read English correctly. As a good argie-hater, you will never give me any credit on anything anyway, so your opinion was discarded with celerity.
@37
What does that have to do with anything? It is a direct quote, and when you take direct quotes you are not supposed to alter them, and that is especially true in the media, in any language. You quote verbatum, otherwise you are paraphrasing and that could be very dangerous. So that proves nothing really.
Oh, and why did I provide you the article about the Canadian murderer? Of course to show you the extensive use of the passive, but in spoken language it is used less than in English. That's a fact.
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/06/watered-down-human-rights-and-support-for-argentina-is-the-oas-a-defunct-organisation/
Jun 06th, 2012 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Politics - ain't it wonderful :-)
OAS should be defunct, Argentina should in fact withdraw from it, what do we care about Canada or the USA anyway? Nothing.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Furthermore, the Falklands don't belong in the OAS so they have no say. They need to ask for representation in the EU.
39. Please explain whyI cannot read English correctly. English IS my first language. Russian is my second. I was russian by my grandad. My grandads parents were Russian and moved to the UK shortly before the first world war. My Grandfather was taught both languages when he was growing up and did not want to lose that tie he had to his parents and distant relatives.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I also don't hate Argentinians. Where did you get that from> If you have read any of my past threads I have shown sympathy with the average Argentinian. I dislike the govenment. I have served with Arg soldiers in the past when I was in the military on tour in Cyprus as part of the UN mission You sir are an idiot. I say this due to the fact you jumped to conclusions and automatically assume you are correct and all others are wrong if any disagree's with any of your threads.
Well you accused me of saying something I clearly did not. The fact it was so pellucid (you said that I had written German is my 1st language when I never did), led me t conclude it was deliberate, as no one could claim to have misinterpreted what I wrote.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you really did, well then I retract my subsequent reply. But again, go back and re-read what I wrote about my language abilities and what you claimed I said and there is a huge difference. I think I had the right to assume you were trolling.
@39
Jun 06th, 2012 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0What on earth are you blathering on about now? It is an unaltered quote.
And I should have thought it would be obvious to a person of your erudition that I was providing it as an example of the correct usage of the passive in German, featuring precisely the verb usage you claimed to be wrong.
You will also note, if you look, that there is no instance of “wird ... werden” in your murder piece, probably because they are both forms of the same verb, and using them in the way you suggest would amount to saying “will be to be” or something similarly incorrect.
But do keep wriggling. It's somewhat esoteric but it's a good example of your “obfuscate when rumbled” strategy.
Truth telling troll. I think the conversation has drifted away from the article. My thoughts are........ I dislike Timmerman. From what I have read about him (not a great deal) I do not trust a word that comes from his mouth. He does have a challenge on. That challenge is to gain credability. It really peed me of when he told the world that he had support for the Falklands claims by certain carribean countries when actually did not. After that I stopped listening.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey! You language experts, try sticking to the subject and stop showing off on this forum, you bunch of knobs...its not a forum for show offs having a pissing contest on how well and how many fecking languages you can speak.
Jun 06th, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0that depends on how may books he can lend from the libary .lol.
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