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New Zealanders “misinformed” about Malvinas war says Argentine ambassador
New Zealanders have been misinformed about the battle for the Falkland Islands between Great Britain and Argentina in 1982, the South American country's ambassador to New Zealand has told an audience in Palmerston North. Read full article
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Jun 07th, 2012 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any Kiwi commentators want to make a comment? Could be interesting.
You've got to love the selective history and lies of the Argentine government, I used to be offended but now I just laugh at them.
Jun 07th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its almost as history doesn't exist before the early 1830's and its amazing that Argentina is still claiming the Spanish give them the islands when Spain has no history of doing so.
It's like some alternative reality that exists just in Argentina, its genius!
New Zealanders are honourable people , with strong cultural links to the UK. They fought hard and lost many lives,fighting tyranny,they dont need a distorted history lesson from Argentina.
Jun 07th, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be honest, its all quite comical and embarrassing for Argentina.
Jun 07th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blatantly lying and distorting the truth weakens any case they could of had. The UK/Falkland's are doing right and just sitting back and watching their country implode as well as any respect they may have had on the international level.
This might shed a little light though personally I doubt that New Zealand really cares less these days. Unless of course Argentina uses military force again. Then all bets are off. I think they support the Falklanders right to self determination but I won't speak for them.
Jun 07th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.listener.co.nz/current-affairs/when-robert-muldoon-met-margaret-thatcher/
If New Zealand had any doubts what so ever, she would not have given one of her ships,
Jun 07th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To take over a British ships patrol, to attend the Falklands,
These Argies are so desperate, they now have TV interviews in north Korea , Syria and Iran,
And apparently desperately trying to get to afghan TV .
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””I would like to be optimistic, but we have the reality.“ At least he realised that whilst he has to embarrass himself by trotting out CFKC's propaganda, the reality is that Argentina will never have the Falklands.
Jun 07th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So argentina's new strategy for it's diplomats is for them to shriek how the people of the nations they are sent to are all idiots brainwashed by some “eeeevil British conspiracy” and pray that no one there knows how to operate a google search engine to check whether what they spew is bullshit
Jun 07th, 2012 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The increasing parallels to North Korea are truly hilarious. I particularly enjoyed timmerman's desperate attempt to pose a British delegate politely telling him to go fuck himself as being some “great diplomatic victory” for argentina
Not to forget that Spain (who, along with France would have a reasonable claim, followed by Uruguay) recognised the UK's sovereignty in 1863 - another selective fact not mentioned by Argentina
Jun 07th, 2012 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9
Jun 07th, 2012 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus argentina dropping it's claim in 1850 for almost a century aside from a half hearted (and non official) attempt to beg Britain in the 1880s, and has never once taken it to any actual court of law on it's own (which it would have full right and duty to do so... had it any actual case) once over the past 200 years, thus destroying their delusional claim via the legal principle of prescription (which itself is reason #52 why their claim is utterly worthless)
Plus in 1882 when they produced an official, government created map showing the Falklands as British territory for all argentine consulates
The most of the Zealanders support to the Republic of Argentina for Malvinas Islands, Everyone knows they are Argentine! and now is coming the support of the Australia. Keep goin Mr Escalona !!!
Jun 07th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh God, the Malbec is definitely too strong tonight. Or is it some local firewater that is addling your brain? What's it called? I'll make a note to avoid it.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you ever spoke with a New Zealander (either of European descent or Maori).( BTW, “Zealand” /Zeeland is in Denmark not in the Southern Hemisphere)
As to your claim about Australia supporting Argentina....purlease!!! They may hate us for beating them in cricket in the past few years but they are staunchly Anglophile - even if some of them want to become a republic.
I would go and lie down if I were you....
11 puerto argentino (#)
Jun 08th, 2012 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 07th, 2012 - 11:51 pm
Your very alias is proof of your uselessness. A non existent town in a non existent island.
Escalona is a tit just like you.
@11 Puerto a. Facts please regarding support for Argentina?
Jun 08th, 2012 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0As a Kiwi living in Argentina for more than 20 years on and off, this dickhead ambassador (note the small 'a') is simply trying to score points so that next time he gets a posting to Europe. That bespectacled fellow idiot ambo in Washington DC got his post by doing the same thing! The more they squeal the higher they go in the ranking at the Palacio de San Martín (Min. of Foreign Affairs in BsAs). This idiot is just another wanna-be Timmerman.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, WE KIWIS DID send an RNZ Navy frigate to cover the UK's back during the Falklands War and we did stop Aerolineas' flights during the conflict. This ambassador is surely supping the world's best pinot noir in Wellington and praying that his term will get extended. With the George Washingtons he gets paid he's on a good wicket in GodZone, if he can just get a few column inches every month. Where was he speaking in Palmerston North...at the croquet club?
It may well be that Página 12 and the like are misinforming the Argentine public but in NZ but we can actually claim a free press and I think a pretty high standard of journalism. Not the crap that comes from 6,7,8 for example. Star journalist and truth teller Sr Jorge Lanata for an honorary knighthood! My God that would shove one up CFK!
RG, s ...... Lying kunz the lot of em
Jun 08th, 2012 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0New Zealand lent ships to the Royal Navy, fully crewed we provided cover for the RN in the Gulf, we providd intelligence intercepts from our listening posts and we were on the verge of fully supporting Britain by sending warships there. The Australians offered the Brits the Melbourn, while the US offered them a aircraft carrier.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems to me the Argies don't understand that we don't like their fucking lies and we support Great Britain. Argentina is one of the dirtiest, lieing, corrupt, pathetic and hypocritical countries in the world run by a bunch of crackpots.
So, let's get this straight... Argentina's main export are liars.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes, just like the Germans were misinformed about the Jews, thank God they had Goebbels to clear things up for them.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am surprised that in all the talk about the Falklands/Malvinas that nobody has pointed out that Argentina was not officially a country until the 1850`s.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20... and Spain only recognised Argentina's boundaries down to the Salado river in 1842, not including the Falklands at all, so who exactly said that the islands were inherited from Spain? I'd love to see a document, but think nothing will ever be presented.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'd add, that if Spain “gave” the islands to Argentina, then why did Spain recognise Great Britain's sovereignty over the islands in 1863? Explanation from Argies, please.
He's just doing as ordered fact is if I was in his post I'd be making sure CFK knew I was a raving malvista New Zealands lovely :)
Jun 08th, 2012 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@18 that should read “Argentina's main export are liars and idiots”
Jun 08th, 2012 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Puerta and other Malvinistas, are you joking? You guys are simply delusional.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, do you understand that Australia and New Zealand, like Canada, have a long history of excellent relations with Britain.
Our politicians and populace as a whole are certainly not going to turn against Britain or the Falklanders in supporting your false claim on the Falklands. During the Falklands War, Australian politicians and media supported the British in their retaking of these islands and found Argentina's actions blatantly wrong and stupid. That position has not changed.
Speaking more broadly as to Australia's good relationship with Britain, you only have to look at the positive media coverage of Queen Elizabeth II's diamond jubilee celebrations. Unlike ignorant Argentinians such as those recent posters in the Clarin newspaper that rudely referred to the Queen as a “puta”, we Aussies can see the difference between a class act like the Queen and a cheap lying tart like Kristina Kirchner.
The fact is thanks to Argentina losing that war in 1982, its people regained their democracy....the defeat destroyed your military government's remaining credibilty with its people. Argentinian people should be thanking Britain, not carrying on like absolute pork chops or idiots with no understanding or respect for true history. Grow up.
I wonder if people like this can sleep at night when they just tell lies. Seriously, do they have no moral backbone at all? If we understand sociopaths to be people who overtly show socially unacceptable behaviour and psycopaths as those who attempt to hide their socially unacceptable behaviour then, this guy is what? A psychopathic liar?
Jun 08th, 2012 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“In New Zealand, we find that mainly what the people read in the media is dispatched from news agencies and stories from the United Kingdom papers” ... what? As compared to the goebbelian mindbilge that comes out of the major Argentinian government news outlets?
As a wise man once said, “Never trust an Argentine, for their blood and speech is naught but lies”
Hasn't made in into the NZ Herald, the countries biggest newspaper yet.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is mention of it in some of the Fairfax owned papers.
Same article, with responses...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/7057967/Kiwis-misinformed-over-Falklands-battle
Palmerston North ??? !!! What a hoot...
Jun 08th, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I stand to be corrected and I'll see if I can come with attendance numbers but the 2 people who asked questions were probably it. 2 dozen would constitute a good audience for nonsense like this in Balmy Palmy.
Still laughing .....
The Lies this man is making beggars belief!!!!
Jun 08th, 2012 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain never gave argentina the falklands, Spain did not even recoginise argentina till 1850 so WHY would they give them there claim after the war of independence!!
Self Determination by the Islanders is the ONLY solution and the Falklanders have made it very clear that they have NO interest in being an argentine colony!
Long Live the Falklands.
Ambassador Escalona is ANOTHER MISINFORMED ARGENTININA who is just spinning propaganda for the CFK Propaganda Ministry. He should really go back to school and study the history of the Falkland Islands before spouting lies. The truth is that Argentina has made at least 12 false statements to the UN in respect of the Falklands which have been repeated 36 times since 1964.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is that New Zealanders will soon rumble him as another Argentine liar.
I stand corrected :) That's a pretty good gig.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/learning/departments/school-linguistics-international-languages/school-news/public-lecture-by-argentinean-ambassador/public-lecture-by-argentinean-ambassador_home.cfm
Last night thousands of Argentines demonstrated outside the presidential palace in BA to protest against corruption, double-digit inflation, and the ban on purchasing foreign currency. Is this the beginning of the end of CFK and Co?
Jun 08th, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0So this idiot states that New Zealanders are misinformed.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then goes on to say that Spain gave Argentina the Falkland Islands.
A: Spain didn't give Argentina anything.
B: Spain didn't recognise Argentina as a coutry until after what 1860ish?
C: Spain didn't hold uncontested sovereignty of the Falklands Islands and so couldn't have given them away anyway.
Who is misinforming who???
What a tool!
Is this guy a catholic like Tony Blair? When he tells lies like this does he go home and tell his children that today he told lies in order to try to colonise some people? How much does he pay every year in indulgences? Do his children look up to him as a man?
Jun 08th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Goodness.
26 Dr Carrizal (#)
Jun 08th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 08th, 2012 - 08:50 am
Thank you for the link. I am going to paste part of a comment that appears in the Manawatu Standard on-line page:
FurtherBeyond #7 01:14 pm Jun 08 2012
“The International Court of Justice has repeatedly affirmed that the principal of uti possidetis juris as applied to territorial ownership is pre-eminent over effective possession as a basis for sovereignty. This is especially the case where effective possession has been acquired through an act of force.”
This commentator is obviosly Argentine, having produced the usual lies about 1833, but the final paragraph of his/her comment is a classic. The final sentence could have added to it: “as by Argentina in 1982.”
Thank you very much Further Beyond for proving once again that Argentina has NO claim to the Falkland Islands.
First of thank you to all the ANZACs on here for their continued support. Argetnina really are clutching at straws when they go after (in my opinion) one of the best racialy intergrated counties one earth claiming they are being lied to. Unlike Argentina New Zealand has a free press un influenced by politicians, unlike Argentina (which supported it) Australia and New Zealand fought against Nazi power in Europe and remember very well the that they provided support in 1982. To hear this ambasadors bullshit is therefore a double insult as he implies that they were decieved into supporting the UK rather than did so freely and openely in their continued support of the right to self determination. Argentine is deluded if it really beleives the world supprots its fake and historical claim.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way Argentina claim that they inherited the islands from Spain because Spain was given control over the whole of South America by a papal bull issued by the most corrupt pope in history *Rodrigo Borgia, himself a Spaniard). Unfortuantly this broke the most basic of common law principles “nemo dat quod non habet”. Therby Spains claim is not valid therefore Argentina could not inherit the islands via this papal bull. In addition the principle of inheritance (which gives countries gaining indepdenpence the right to claim territory owned by the previous colonial power) requires that the colonial power is present in the teritory at the time of independence. Spain was not present in the Falklands at the time of Argentine independence (1850?) therefore they can not of inherrited the land. In addition Patagonia only became part of Argentina in the 1870s following the mass genocide of the native inhabitants by General later president Roca, in the conquest of the Desert. Which is still celebrated here on the back of the 100 peso note.
“We are open to negotiation, but it's very difficult without delegates to see what would be a possible solution.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the position in Arsentina's constitution that they will get control over the Falkland Islands being non negotiable, now is negotiable ???????
These people can't make their minds up. Piss up in Brewery, can't run, comes to mind.
@35 Is there a most corrupt pope in history? Surely with the current questions about the Vatican bank being used for money laundering, his ex-nazi past and the issues surrounding widespread pederasty there are other contenders.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Papal Bullshyte... The UK never respected the carving up of the world into Portuguese and Spanish territory, and neither did other 'good' countries like the Dutch. They cannot claim that any Papal bull applies to UK territories.
It's just more nonsense.
I agree greekyoghurt, at the time of Pope Borgia England (reambering this was before the act of union) had already turned to the Church of England and did not reconise the roman catholic church. The point is that their is no historical basis for the argentine claim.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank goodness that Fernando Escalona is there in NZ to put the Kiwis right about the Argentine claim to the Falklands.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As anyone can see, Página/12, 6-7-8, etc. are so much more informative sources than The Telegraph, The Guardian, The Times, etc.
Now that Fernando has shown the New Zealanders the truth they will all...
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Get on with their lives in exactly the same way as before, with just a soupçon of a thought: “Another argie twit!!!”
@39 I do like how someone asked him what Argentina was bringing to negotiations and he basically failed to answer the questions, he just ranted on about options that 'have' to be explored.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, those unexplored unexplored options.
You know, I was going to say that this argie “ambassador” was playing it quite clever. Everything low-key. Might be passed off as misunderstandings and so on. Then I read “prick argieland”'s comment and my blood boiled. Do either of these divots have any idea of how close Britain and New Zealand are? A sight closer, incidentally, than Britain and Australia. Is ANY New Zealander actually going to believe argieland in preference to Britain? I doubt it VERY much. New Zealand KNOWS us. Let us just consider. The Spanish and argies slaughtered indigenous people. The British signed treaties with the Maori. The Spanish and argies murdered through arrogance. The British and the Maori fought when they thought they had no choice. Britain and the Maori still respect each other today. The argies don't respect anyone.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But, perhaps the worst insult, is that argies “think” that New Zealand and its people are stupid enough to believe the concocted argie story without a shred of verifiable evidence. They might get away with it in excitable, largely-moronic south america. They won't get away with it in New Zealand. Anymore than they have got away with it in Canada.
Along the way, argies, try to remember that anyone with an “anglo” heritage and anyone with whom we happily associate (such as Maoris) has an intelligence about ten times greater than yours. Regrettably, the United States has lost its way a little in recent years. But, if Obama's message to Her Majesty can be taken at face value, even he is beginning to see the light.
Keep hoping, argies. The day may be coming when the Royal and US air forces, the Royal and US marines, the Royal and US navies and the British and US armies will be arriving to free you from corruption, dictatorship and the lies of such as CFK. Perhaps you have suffered for long enough. Although, if you support CFK and her ilk, you may have to suffer for another 50 years or so because we can't be bothered with you. Good luck with that!
Great post Conqueror, a real gem of a post.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you from Argentina.
Pinocchio: “The Falklands/Malvinas Islands were originally in the hands of the Spanish, before being given to Argentina. In the 1830s they were taken over by the British and have been in their hands since.”
Jun 08th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geppetto: “Your nose just grew”
Pinocchio: “The evil witch-hag says she will turn me into a real boy if I say this a lot.”
Geppetto: “Hmmm”
The Falkland Islanders and New Zealanders have a lot in common, I do hope the NZ Prime Minister comes out with a statement of support for the Falkland Islanders self-determination.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These corrupt colonialist Argentinian liars and their brainwashed friends, only see the islanders as a inconvenience and want to steal their oil.
Details of the Argentine lies...
http://falklandshistory.org/sites/default/files/false-falklands-history.pdf
@37 Another cunning concealment by the Argentines over the 'Papal Bull' claims, is the ommission of the word 'shit' after bull.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone who wants to put the boot into Argentina sign this now
Jun 08th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34551
@34 Although this - one out of seven - is the only pro argentine comment made so far...
Jun 08th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 And this is pro-argie..........how?
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@48 Perhaps I should have said 'that' instead of 'this' - I was referring to the ”pro argentine' quote itself, not the post I made. Neither do I know if you've looked at the comments at the link.Depends on how you interpret it (the whole comment) I suppose...
Jun 08th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Andrew - the French ceded their claim and settlement to Spain in 1767 and the UK acknowledged Spanish sovereignty over the Falklands and relinquished their rights to establish colonies off the South American mainland in the Nootka Sound Convention of 1790.
The United Provinces of the Rio de la Plata, the predecessor to the state of Argentina, claimed the Falklands under the principle of uti possidetis juris and appointed its first governor in 1823. Under this principle of international law a former colony, upon acquiring independence, inherits all the territory of that colony.
The UK threatened the use of force to remove the Argentines in 1833. This illegal action was protested by Argentina at the time.
The International Court of Justice has repeatedly affirmed that the principal of uti possidetis juris as applied to territorial ownership is pre-eminent over effective possession as a basis for sovereignty. This is especially the case where effective possession has been acquired through an act of force.”
dr - if you reallly believe all you write - then how come Arg does not take the issue to the ICJ? - after all that IS the correct Int legal body to give formal views on such a dispute. UK has offerred in the past when we were a colony.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51 Precisely. They know they're being intentionally deceptive by not including important historical events like the 1850 Convention of Settlement, which they signed.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They basically know they cannot go to the ICJ with their guardian comment-is-free references, opinions and lack-of-fact history, because they'll just get completely sh@t all over. Then they'll have to admit defeat.
Dr, the legal principal of uti possidetis juris is not 1) universal accepted and b) in the case of the Falklands who require one of the following 1) That their was no outstanding soverignity dispute (which there was) or 2) Spain was present in the islands at the time of independce which they were not having left the islands in 1811.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Naotka sound convention contained a clause that they were Spanish only in the case that a third party did not claim them, when Argentine claimed them this made the Nootka Sound convention null and void as Argentine acted as a 3rd party and therefopre the British government was within its rights to reassert a soverignity dating back to 1765. In addition the Nootka sound convention was repudiated by Spain in 1795.
In addition vernet ceeded his claim to the British Crown in 1828 and
at many times since 1833 the Argentine government has stated that the UK and Argentina have no outstanding matters to prevent friendship such as the convention of settlement in 1850 and even produced maps aftet this which showed the islands as seperate to Argentina. In his Message at the opening of the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1865, President
Bartolomé Mitre said that Argentina had scrupulously fulfilled undertakings with Britain and France, so “there was nothing to prevent the consolidation of friendly relations between this country and those
Governments.”
Always happy to help if you need some real history lessons
@51 All I'm saying is that the writer of what I deem an pro argentine quote has made several semantical slip ups (possibly deliberately) and hasn't checked the facts. In no way should my remarks be considered anti British or anti Falklander. In response to @1 I merely said that only one Kiwi made a pro argentine post. Look at the link ! What is in the parenthesised final four paragraphs is what came from it - not what I wrote!
Jun 08th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wish Argentina would take the case to the ICJ so that it would be thrown out and buried so the argies could scuttle off home and sulk while the rest of the world can forget about it and get on with life.
I am getting not a little bored with all the nationalistic and whinging sabre rattling which incessantly gushes forth from both sides...
That said, if I were an islander I'd be taking the issue a tad more seriously and I ,too, definitely would take up arms to defend my rights, property and family.
Most of our families are in either Australia , NZ or Canada , and the USA .
Jun 08th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The point being, a democracy will always support a democracy,
[take the hint] dica tata shipa
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So there is a grain of truth in the story that argentina, imports the truth, turns it into lies, and then exports it , apparently on behave of CFK it twists and turns it, massages and blinds it ,
And rolls it into a test tube,
Her head stone will read,
Eye lied eye schemed, eye threatened and abused,
eye stole all the riches,
But eye failed to defeat the British .
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This is yet another story about how little emphasis Argentina puts in appointing her Ambassadors to parts of thr world. Do they really think that Nwe Zealanders would fall for this rubbish.
Jun 08th, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Half of my friends have moved to New Zealand. Don't know what I said to them!
Jun 08th, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NZ will always support the Falklands, hilarious to think otherwise!
New Zealand is an island at the bttom of the world, the Falkland Islands is an island at the bottom of the world. It is diffucult to believe that there is not some empathy from one to the other. On the other hand no one has ever invaded New Zealand, big mistake! worlds fiercest warriorrs, just look at them on the Rugby Field!!!! God bless the Kiwis!!!
Jun 08th, 2012 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dr. Carrizal, Islander1, Conqueror,
Jun 09th, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please accept my appologies for starting a hare which complicated everything. My fault completely.
Dr, Carrizal produced a link to a NZ news page which I quoted from and this produced a mistaken reading of the good Doctor's stand on the Falklands question.
I hope this clears it all up.
Cheers from Argentina.
31 - I think that the march was protest against corruption, double-digit inflation, and insecurity. The dollar thing is really a “nevermind”; it will soon be hashed-out.
Jun 09th, 2012 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stop all funding to this corrupt country called Argentina bring down this corrupt country and all who govern Argentina.
Jun 09th, 2012 - 04:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.StopFundingArgentina.org
Anyone reading this outside of Argentina sign THE FORM NOW.
So the Kiwis have been misinformed?
Jun 09th, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0About the fact that the French sold their colony to Spain after we had set up our own colony?
About the falklands crises that followed shortly after (when spain “gave” the falkands to their colony in south america by invading the british settlement and removing it)?
About the attempt to annex the islands in 1833, when they were still claimed by Britain, by establishing a garrison (a move we protested about at the time)?
Or about the facsist war of aggression on following occpupation of 1982?
@ 58
Jun 09th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0All Blacks 42 Ireland 10. Bit sloppy but a good start to the Test season :-)
@62 Yes, misled about all the above. [not very] Curiously, Ambassador Escalona didn't feel like telling them these important details.
Jun 09th, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong history book, methinks.
“The Falklands/Malvinas Islands were originally in the hands of the Spanish, before being given to Argentina.”
Jun 10th, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with this clown's speech is that there is no evidence that the Spanish gave the Falkland Islands to The United Provinces of the River Plate. If they had the Spanish would have dropped their claim to sovereignity, which they did not for years.
'Another audience member asked Mr Escalona what Argentina had offered the United Kingdom in return for sovereignty of the Islands.
”There has to be discussions, there are many, many different options and they have to be explored” said the Argentine ambassador.'
So no idea or answer then?
Here's an option. The right to self-determination as espoused by the UN.
26 Dr Carrizal (#) Just as a point of interest, the Fairfax family have a big dose of British genes from Argentina.
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I can't deny the treatment of the native population in New Zealand is a lot better than in many other formerly colonised parts of the world; but not just Spanish colonies, British colonised Australia too. Its going a bit far though to say, as #41 does, that they only fought when they “had no choice”; the Maori had no choice, the British could have chosen not to invade! Anyway I think about 40% of New Zealanders are Maori, and I've heard from people I trust that they don't face the horrific mistreatment that Australian Aboriginals so often still face (though when has there ever been a Maori New Zealand PM). It would be interesting though if they are more likely to back Argentina or at least not automatically back Britain?
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