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Argentina claims Falklands and slams UK for ‘illegal exploitation of natural resources’
Ahead of a week of intense diplomatic exchanges and on the Day of the Affirmation of the Argentine Rights Over the Malvinas, Islands and Antarctic Sector, the Argentine Government once again ratified its claim over the Islands’ sovereignty and questioned the UK over the “illegal exploitation of their natural resources” and the “increased militarization of the South Atlantic region.” Read full article
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Jun 11th, 2012 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, the same old lies about history, the same moaning, nothing new at all. I see she is also confused about who is actually drilling for oil there as she seems to think it's the UK doing it and not the islanders themselves. If she's so bothered, why doesn't she take them to court as she threatened?
Jun 11th, 2012 - 03:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0i understood that she had been trained as a lawyer!!! Did she pass her degree?
Jun 11th, 2012 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Boovis, the two invations to Buenos Aires was a lie too ??
Jun 11th, 2012 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another down in the bipolar old lady.....!!!!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Best if she take care of the falling economy of her country that´s becoming a recesion next month.....
@4 no they were not a lie.....but get this into your thick head.......the UK are not going to discuss it!!!!!!!! Do i need to repeat?????
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“History is writen by the victor” :-)
@4: No and I didn't say that. Jeremy Browne is not in a position to “negotiate” with Timmermann about the islands because it isn't up to him, only the islanders themselves. If you wanted my car, would you ask me or my Uncle Tony?
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Boovis, we shouldnt waste our time talking to a simian!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0No illegal acts taking place. We can exploit/explore all we like in our own territotial waters and EEZ.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sh can't take the islands by force, she can't sue the oil companies, she can't get the islanders to like her or her government, she can't get any organisation with any actual power to either do anything or listen to her. It's time to just give up instead of running around telling lies to anyone who'll listen.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is going to be a fun week this week with plenty of entertainment and over the top claims and speeches from CFK in her visit to the Big Apple to spend her dollars and as a sideline visit the UN.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The real events are going on in the Falklands and on the streets of
Buenos Aires and other Argentine cities with the 'cacerolazos' .
Attempt by Argentina to bully a massively more powerful nation = epic fail.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe its time the UK leverages its might against Argentina to teach it a lesson? I say this because I'd love the UK to force Argentina to back-off from its aggressive and ridiculous stance but in fact its far better in the long term to keep its current stance of letting Argentina implode under its own ridiculous lies and failed policies on the international stage.
After all we know Argentina like any bully will of course cry wolf if the UK acts strongly against it, bunch of cowards. Heck they claim the UK is acting aggressively by having a SINGLE ultra-modern warship on patrol in the region.
So the “province of Buenos Aires” created the “claim” in 1829, which was ended in January 1833 by their own words.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok.
I hereby claim the islands of Hawaii an surrounding territories for Monkey Magic. I do not recognise the American rights to sovereignty.
In 3 years time, I will visit Hawaii with 20 friends in November during which time I will murder one of the other members of my party.
When the Americans remove us from Hawaii, let's say on January 3rd, I will forget about my claim for about 100 years.
Then my great great grandchildren will pick it up and “try and negotiate”. When failing, they will mount an invasion costing 1000 lives. After that, we will bitch and moan to anyone who listens.
The amazing thing is, we will find none of this embarrassing or humiliating.
A 170 years if the Uk carried on the same way it would be claiming a 1/3 of the world as its soverign territory. which would at least make for an entertainig UN meeting :). go back further and we could reclaim those revolting colonies..
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0This os madness.
No this is argentina:)
I propose that, if and when there's another invasion and the Uk wins, we should make them sign a surrender document that forces them to also drop all claims to the islands forever and shut the heck up.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@15
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yup, we missed a trick there back in '82
That would've put an end to all this nonsense. Even the entertainment value is starting to wear thin
@ 2 the problem with lies is the more they say it the more people want to believe it
Jun 11th, 2012 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 6 To true UK won Argentina lost
@ 10 She will fail on all counts
By heck she's got some neck!!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway. The exploitation of natural resources around the Falkland Islands is legal because we say it is. As I remember there was a time when Argentina also thought so, until they went back on their word.......as per usual.
Still nothing new here, just more regurgitated nonsense from an excitable, incompetent, probably corrupt, Evita wannabe . Wish mercorpress would do more stories/pics on the Falkland Islands themselves, the loyal, hardy inhabitants, booming economy and beautiful unspoilt scenery.
@15 Boovis & @16 - Steveu.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0We could've got them to sign a treaty making them drop their erroneous claims, but when has Argentina ever honoured a treaty?
I think it's a good idea, because it gives us more ammunition to use against them, but it wouldn't shut them up. They would then be bleating to the world how the. Evil British Empire forced them to sign it etc...
Someone (can remember who) on this site predicted that CFK would suddenly turn up the rhetoric on the Falklands due to all the unrest in Argentina. This time, however, I don't think it will work.
I'd be surprised if CFK returns to Argentina after her shopping trip to NYC. The lynch mobs will probably be out in full force by then.
Hell0 wall. Please excuse me while I indulge in my daily desire to bang my head against you.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/day-of-the-affirmation-of-the-argentine-rights-over-the-falklands-islands-and-antarctic-sector/
Jun 11th, 2012 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
@16 Steveu (#)
Jun 11th, 2012 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:57 am
I don't think it would have made any difference. Argentina would ignore it as they ignore every other agreement they make if they think it doesn't suite them.
Contrived and concocted for a domestic audiance, this is not news anywhere else
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sit back and watch Argentina implode,this desperate woman is running out of options,money and time.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would like the UK/FI governments to be more proactive- send copies of the real history to every embassy in SA ,offer to go to the International Court of Justice where Argentina would be told that they have no legal claim over the Falklands.Call their bluff.
@ 24
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is not the British way, we are comfortable in our position and stance. Leave the hysteria to the hysterical
24: the problem is that they foreign governments aren't necessarily supporting CFK because they believe her side of the story, there's more to it than that and posssibly for reasons we don't even want to know about. Best to leave them to it and know there's nothing they can realistically do against us anyway so it's not worth analysing unless we need the uncovered facts to help our case at some later stage, although I'd quite happily bet the UK and FI governments already know exactly what the reasons are and why...
Jun 11th, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@25 Britworker (#)
Jun 11th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:59 am
Good point well made.
Do Argentinians not find this not-issue as tiresome as I find it?
Jun 11th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think we should be told.
Stop British taxpayers’ money supporting World Bank loans to Argentina.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34551
@18
Jun 11th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0As Churchill is being quoted at the moment, I would say “Some turkey, some neck” (and of course there are certain similarities in her appearance - all that excess skin has to go somewhere)
(which he made in response to German propaganda that they would wring Britain's neck like a turkey's)
Dear CFK,
Jun 11th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Prove to the world that Argentina's claim is legal and valid. Some evidence? Actual evidence, not something that you and Timid man just made up? Oh you can't produce actual evidence?
I know what, let's roll the clock back 18o years, shall we?
Okay, first you communists get out of China and return the Emperor to the throne, then Russia reinstate the Czar.
Britain, reclaim the Empire, and Argentina give back all that land you stole from Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay. USA leave Hawaii immediately! France regain your colonies in indo-china.
Now let's look at Argentina's claim again. Nope, the islands are still British.
Sorry CFK, you fail again and again. Pathetic really aren't you?
#14 But thats the point isn't it, Argentina lost the islands to Britain when it did rule all those places and was effectively unbeatable as the dominant empire in the world. If they'd lost them to another South American country that would probably have settled by now, like all the border changes of the 19th century, but to have an outpost of the empire in your continent, using what should be continental resources (ie the oil) to further enrich the very rich empire, is a humiliating situation that no dignified continent would simply accept and not even want to negotiate about.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0#30 I think that Churchillian quote is quite appropriate actually. Eveyone on here is saying “turkey neck” (not what I would call the beautiful Cristina of course) will soon be gone; when she completes this term with many more achievements to her name, and perhaps is elected to another, you'll be havng to say “some turkey, some neck” =)
Btw thanks mercopress for posting such a lovely picture Cristina the Great, it really shows a perfect combination of brains and beauty =)
nevermind ratcheting up rhetoric with your baseless claims on the Falklands look whats happening at home, focus...focus...stop distracting!!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@25 & 26
Jun 11th, 2012 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fair points, however With Gibraltar kicking off again the UK is being portrayed as the big bad Colonialists ,the geographical argument, however spurious, appears to be winning over the historical one.
With Brazil building 7 nuclear powered submarines and enlarging its airforce more resources would be needed to defend the FIs if it became a 'Continental issue'.
We were also comfortable with our position in 1982, look what happened.
32: border disputes of the 19th century resolved? What, like the Beagle Channel? Bolivia's coastal region? We weren't an empire in 1982 and we still beat you, I'm not sure that military might is a sound argument, especially as people constantly remind us that they held of the Buenos Aires siege and various other incursions on Argie territory, significantly stronger troops beaten by a local militia. So, either it counts for something or it doesn't, make your mind up.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@32
Jun 11th, 2012 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina do not see Falkland Island Oil as continental resources, they see it as THEIR resources. The Falkland Islanders own the oil not the UK. The corporation tax will be payable to the FIG. The profits will go to the oil companies.
The oil companies in Argentina are who? BP (British) and YPF (stolen from the Spanish).
So, the continental issue is false as the proceeds stay in South America. Anybody who wants to trade with the FIs as a partner of equal rights in South America is welcome.Perhaps they can join MERCOSUR or is that only for the Latino “master race”.
The only proceeds Britain will get are the costs of defence of the islands, which would not be necessary of the Argentines were not so aggressive.
So...
historical claim prior to 1823....bollocks
Jewitt....Pirate on the make
Vernet...Independent, preferred British sovereignty
Mestevier....murdered in from of his family
Pinedo...forced to leave after 3 months of illegal occupation
Geographic argument...irrelevant
Resources argument...irrelevant...
next??
@32 I think the point is that Argentina never “lost” the islands to Britain. After Spain pulled out in 1810 there was no longer a contest with Spain as to who owned the islands (due to the terms of the transfer of the French claim to Spain).
Jun 11th, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vernet's 1828 venture (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Vernet )was basically a private venture and he was careful to approach both British and the United Provinces of the River Plate first. The Argentine penal colony was there illegally and mutinied involving a particularly nasty episode where a man was murdered in cold blood in front of his family. The Brits went there to restore order in 1833. The important point was that the civilian Argentine population was invited to remain - all but four (none of them Argentinian) did so and only the military were expelled. This means that the Falklanders are not “transplanted” Britons (another spurious Argentine claim) - they are also descended from the Argentine settlers and there are subtle Spanish influences in the Falklands patois (eg “camp” for countryside etc). The 1850 act of settlement, although not specifically mentioning the Falklands, dealt with any outstanding issues. I doubt if Argentina would have signed it if they felt there was still a claim and this is reinforced by the colour scheme used on maps originating from Argentina in 1882 with the islands being clearly separate from Argentina. Spain recognised UK sovereignty in 1863 (despite having its own issues regarding Gibraltar- which became more vociferous during the Franco era just as Peron did with the Falklands claim in 1941) as do all EU member states
If people want to talk sovereignty, I would actually put South Georgia/ South Sandwich Islands as item number 1 on the agenda and see how they try and justify that one - then I would talk about the Falklands
28 GreekYoghurt (#)
Jun 11th, 2012 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 11th, 2012 - 10:29 am
Of course I can only speak for myself, but I am certainly fed to the back teeth with this stupid woman's histrionics.
I also think that the fairly massive crowds participating in the “cacerolazos” are doing so because of corruption, lack of security, economic chaos, infringement of human rights, etc. So far I've not heard a single person say anything about the “Malvinas”.
@35 Boovis (#)
Jun 11th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 11th, 2012 - 11:55 am
Ooh! Me me me. I know!
It counts for something if is supports the Malvinista argument and it counts for nothing if it doesn't. Do I get a prize?
They (CFK & Co) will have enough rope to hang their selves at the C24 summit. I can't wait to see the outcome of their pathetic efforts to make their lies believable in the face of overwhelming counter argument presented by the Falkland Islands representatives. This will, I hope, be the final nail in the CFK coffin...however, like some terrible monster, she will rise from the grave and continue haunting the South Atlantic....whoooooah.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 039: congratulaitons, you win a cookie :p At least it seems to me that UK and other posters can post and admit yes, history is complicated and contradictory, we made mistakes, we lost and won various situations, but we moved on. Argentine posters never seem to be able to do that. People make mistakes and sometimes their leaders are fallible, why can't they show some humility every now and then?
Jun 11th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the collagen collonist is at it again, BIG FAT LIE. We did not expel anyone from the islands becuase there were nobody there. I actually cant believe Argentinas government, they still cant give any accounts from any supposed islanders who supposedly lived on the islands at the time... yawn.. Its funny to me really as i know we will never hand the islands to Argentina, the islands are self goverfning, they elect there own representivies and the island supports itself so i dont see what Argentina think us Brits will gain from it as the oil and gas will be for the islanders not us mainland brits. The UK will and always will supoprt the rights of the islanders so Argy's please tell your Lips full of poison President, to back off, give her lob sided head a wobble, and understand that FALKLANDS are ours... Nehhh nehh neehhhh nehhh nehhhh!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, how or why would the islanders (who really you need on your side) would ever chose to be argentinan is beyond me. You make there lives hell even when they want to co-operate on fishing etc. Your out for all you can get Argentina ... not on our watch sister!!
If you think about it, the only response that the Malvinistas have to any FI/UK argument is ”lies! Pirates! Squatters! Liars!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not exactly a compelling counter argument if you ask me and C24 is irrelevant but because they mostly have an axe to grind they will more than likely give KFC a favourable hearing and try to make the Falkland Isladers feel as unwelcome as possible.
Do you think her colon might be made of collagen?
Jun 11th, 2012 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now there's a thought! ;-)
@41 - Boovis.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is like a stroppy teenager: who can never admit they're wrong, and the world is against them, and it's not fair, and we're going to sulk until the evil British let us have our way!
And when that doesn't work we'll 'hang out' with our mates (the rest of South America) and tell them all our woes, and then they'll support us with, 'yeah', 'I know' and 'whatever'.
See typical stroppy teenager.
hahahaha that is a thought.... not a very nice one though haha. I violently dislike this woman she looks like what Pete Burns hoped to achieve. DOG.COM!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 07 and 8. just for you to remember.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You wrote: history is written by the winners only... woow, what a great use of brain... I believe you have not read the origin of power.
1 inteligence
2 wealth
3 violence
I don'need to explain the one you are using over the islands
you took ( or at least you tried using 3 ) Buenos Aires Twice, then the islands ( what number you have used, ?? you guess .. ) and you are still there. What the hell are u doing 13.000 km away from your place ?
ufffff. difficoult to undertand by a simian like me...
have a great day
@47 and you are a native american indian, hence your position upon that high horse of yours?
Jun 11th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 - hipolyte
Jun 11th, 2012 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Huh?
Is your google translate working properly because you have just posted a bunch of words which taken together make no sense.
However, regarding the story. It if the Falkland Islands Government that is exploiting its own resources, not the UK.
And since those islanders have been living on the Falklands continuously for 9 generations, then they have every legal right to do so.
So maybe your president should STFU and turn her attention to the real problems that Argentina faces. Namely that your economy is fecked and she should be doing something about it.
Editorial in Uruguayan national daily El País (in Spanish) re ongoing problems with Argentina:
Jun 11th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.elpais.com.uy/12/06/11/predit_645767.asp
Phew!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not just us they don't like.
My Spanish is none too hot but “peronista-imperialista” says it all to me
28 GreekYoghurt
Jun 11th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, is this not the “distraction” to the protests that we saw in B.A? In time honoured tradition, as soon as something happens that calls Ol' turkey necks leadership into question, doesn't she wheel this same, tired, boring old rant out.
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Jun 11th, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina claims Falklands and slams UK for failing to stop laughing at them when they do.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile in other news, a big shout out to Tino Best, who set a new world record for the highest test score while batting at number 11 yesterday in the rain-affected third test match in Birmingham, falling just five short of his first test centuary.
@53 Nope. If you can't be bothered to take the time or trouble to use easily available online free translation services, keep your comments to yourself.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your comment has been reported as abuse for failing to comply with the rules. Learning the world's premier language, English, will be good for you!
53 Gordo1 (#)
Jun 11th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 11th, 2012 - 03:28 pm
With your permission Gordo, I'll translate for you.
How long must we put up with the clownishness of this Argentine government? They say that all the countries in the world support their sovereingty claim to the Falklan/Malvinas when in reality only a few countries support the idea of negociation.
How long must we put up with hearing the lies of the Argentine government when they repeat their false representations of historic events? For example, they say that the argentine troops and citizens were expelled from the Islands in 1833 when in reality the majority stayed VOLUNTARILY and only two married couples left, with no pressure at all to travel to Montevideo and not to Buenos Aires. How long are we going to hear the false argument that the treaty of “perfect friendship” - the Arana - Southern treaty of 1850 - has no importance?
Lies from a band of liars!
1833 is irrelevant. -1833- for f**Ks Sake!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the Malvinistas/nationalists should be constantly reminded of how big, varied, resource rich and beautiful Argentina is and how lucky they are to be in that situation.
Argentina has
17 x more land PER PERSON than Britain has
10 x more land PER PERSON than Europe has
2 x more land PER PERSON than America has
25 x more land PER PERSON than Japan has
and 1 x half times more land per person than Chile or Brazil has.
And also they should be aware of how badly their country has been managed especially over the last 70 years.
Really - In 70 years of Peronism what developments has Argentina made?! Relative political and economic stability? Fail. Tackling poverty despite Argentina's embarrassment of riches? Fail. Tackling culture of corruption and inequality of wealth. Fail.
If Peronism was a horse it would have been shot long ago.
Grow up Malvinistas/nationalists and take responsibility for the country and culture you allegedly love.
57 Tobers (#)
Jun 11th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 11th, 2012 - 04:33 pm
Thanks Tobers for the reminder. It just goes to show that this country, Argentina, has the potential to be the richest country in the Américas and instead it lives in the year 1833, almost 200 years in the past, while it goes to economic hell in 2012.
It is totally unbelievable that my people should be so easy to fool, and at the head of the list of idiots, the malvinistas.
Thank you Juan Domingo Perón for killing the goose that lays the golden eggs!!!
In another sense the Las Malvinas issue is the goose that keeps laying the golden egg - from a political point of view!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 059 Tobers (#)
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the way the nationalists keep trotting it out, yes, but I think the eggs are really lead, as they don't shine any longer, and are fooling less Argentines every time the politicos put them before the people.
I believe that all Argentinians should be demanding why their government isn't concentrating all its efforts on sorting out the economy, which is a pressing concern.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any issues regarding anything else should be put on the back-burner, as they aren't going anywhere.
The fact that CFK and co keeping flogging the dead horse that is the Falklands Issue, is purely an illusion designed to divert people's attention away from the terrible state of the economy. And like all illusions, this one will fade into nothing, leaving CFK's inept handling of the economy laid bare for all to see.
Then heads will roll.
48 yes I am a native, from my father side, Mapuche, do you know my people ??, we lived in patagonia before the roman empire educated your people in England.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 049 I lived in Patagonia for many years, my people too, so what... ?? I have no right over Argenina, just over my inheritance, you have just 9 generations.... come on... you are english, your passport says it. Give the islands back to Argentina ( Roger Waters)
sorry for my bad english, I can also use 4 diferent languages, you might choose, mapuche, spanish, french, portuguese and some english.
I am waiting for the 'Mother of meetings'.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bit reminiscent of Saddam eh?
Hope it ends up much the same: with all the Argies attending strung up on trees.
61 LEPRecon (#), By way of the “cacerolazos”, the Argentines ARE beginning to demand that the government concentrate on corruption, security, the economic situation, etc. The problem is that Kretina and her troupe of performing sycophants don't believe there is anything wrong with any of those things, they only believe in the “relato” which says that Clarín and La Nación lie, the economy is absolutely perfect, YPF is going to provide energy in abundance and that Kretina is going to recuperate “Las Malvinas” for all us Argentines.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So it goes, we live in the dream world of kirchnerism and malvinism.
@60 Simon68
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope so.
Import of foreign books might be banned (how nazi-ish) but now we are in the digital information age I sincerely hope that Argentines will start seeing and accepting that the Las Malvinas issue and peronism/nationalism are nothing but antiquated political tools to manipulate the masses and that its not about Argentina vs the World.
I fail to see what CFK expects to get from this utterly ineffective meeting in NY. Its baffling. Surely she cant be so deluded as to see that in this moment in time the people are starting getting to get restless and tired of the impotent rhetoric.
@62
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hipolyte
“we lived in patagonia before the roman empire educated your people in England.”
The English lived in England before the Spanish our people. Your point?
I also have Mapuche ancestry, so what? I doesn’t reduce the rights of the Falkland islanders to live in their land.
Does it reduce the rights of your mother’s family to live in Argentina? No, didn’t think so.
As you should know the Mapuche moved in to Argentina from Chile as a result of pressure from the Spanish. The Mapuche in Chile and Argentina suffered wars against them by the Chilean and Argentina states. The Mapuche were victims of Argentinean expansion the same way the Falklands would be if not protected. If you support the Mapuche cause you should support the Falkland Islanders.
65 Tobers (#), I have a sneaky suspicion that she may not return from NY, she may drop in on her pal Chavez and ship all her ill gotten dollars.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The appearance before the C24 is ridiculous, al she can do is trot out the same lies as usual, scream and shout a bit about “militarization” of the South Atlantic, amd that's about it.
What that has to do with the decolonization committee, I just don't know, after all her interest is in sovereignty and colonization rather than independence.
Just another proof that all peronists are quite loopy.
Bravo President Kirchner.Down with the brits PIRATES!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@62What the fook has Roger Waters got to do with it he made a statement to get more people to buy tickets to his concerts and you fell for it, he actually came out and said he was misintepreted (surprise surprise) as did that other numpty morrisey, another powerhouse in international politics (NOT), They are both washed up pop stars trying to get some publicity, Roger Waters would be nothing without Dave Gilmour who by the way way is a staunce monarchist despite his idiot sons antics, so all of you who bought tickets to Waters concerts because of his misinformed and ill timed comments CHEERS EASY, by the way he lives in Italy says it all really, but your used to listening to propoganda aren't you, thats what you do best
Jun 11th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 066 condorito, if you are mapuche like me I will replay to you in spanish
Jun 11th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“we lived in patagonia before the roman empire educated your people in England.”
The English lived in England before the Spanish our people. Your point?
mi punto es que siendo mapuche, no tengo derechos por sobre mi estado ya fuera chile o argetnina la mia es una nación, los islenos no tiene derechos por sobre el estado argentino, solo sobre su “nacion kelper” es decir sobre sus costumbres, pero no sobre la tierra que habitan y que le pertenece por derecho y no por fuerza a otro país.
I also have Mapuche ancestry, so what? I doesn’t reduce the rights of the Falkland islanders to live in their land.
el tema es que NO es su tierra, ya que tuvo duenos legales antes de ellos, por ende son ocupantes o pobladores, no propietarios.
Does it reduce the rights of your mother’s family to live in Argentina? No, didn’t think so.
Los derechos de mi madre son distintos a los de mi padre, ella nació de italianos en argentina que vinieron en forma PACIFICA a poblar esta tierra patagónica y allí conoció a mi padre que es mapuche, los islenos no llegaron en 1833 en forma pacífica, HENCE todo argumento es NO válido.
As you should know the Mapuche moved in to Argentina from Chile as a result of pressure from the Spanish. The Mapuche in Chile and Argentina suffered wars against them by the Chilean and Argentina states.
Error, los mapuches siempre vivimos en lo que luego se conoció como Chile o Argentina, nos movíamos todos los anos para realizar la veranada y la invernada a ambos lados de los andes
The Mapuche were victims of Argentinean expansion ....
El tema es que luego de dejar la ilegal guarnición de port egmond, en 17... los ingleses dieron el reconocimiento a argentina como país en 1825 por ende no hay expansión argentina por sobre las islas, mas diría yo , de UK a 13000 km
If you support the Mapuche cause...
nada que ver un implantado con armas con un natural.
hay Dios... cuanta locura
@Malvinero1, Hypolite etc...etc.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Educate yourselves. The truth stands alone and does not constitute an ideology. Have the courage to look for the truth wherever it lies not just facts that you think reinforce your ideologies. The truth is you just sound like servants to the peronist system. Like disposable pawns relaying rhetorical -pavadas-
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Jun 11th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“if you are mapuche like me I will replay to you in Spanish”
Spanish, why not Mapundung?
Oh that’s right because the Spanish (and other Europeans) massacred, raped and enslaved our ancestors.
I will reply in English because it is the norm for this forum.
I won’t answer all your points individually, but they are all basically wrong.
Your argument is that it was ok for the Spanish to arrive in the Americas and take land from the Mapuche (and many others) with violence, but it is not ok for Anglo settlers to arrive and live in an uninhabited piece of lands.
They have lived there longer than most people have lived in Argentina. It is there land by the same logic that Argentina is your country and Chile is mine.
What's Spanish for Bill Clinton's election slogan “It's The Economy, Stupid”? A simple, clear slogan, ideal for soundbites and completely punctures anyone trying to deflect from what is, undoubtedly, the biggest concern for ordinary Argentines.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And before anyone says it, I'm not actually stating that Clinton was best for the US at the time (although there have been worse presidents in modern history).
71 Tobers, thanks for your lesson you should do the same, but thanks for your behavior I like to dicuss that way.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 072 Well well I see that ...
1 you will not answer.... because you have no arguments ?
2 Mapuches did not have and does not have a legal constitution, we are a NATION, not a Estado, do you understand the difference????, if you don't then I will not be your teacher i believe you must go to high school again...
ps I can write in Mapuche, but not as good as in spanish, sorry if I was lazy on this .
This coming from a woman who would be more at home cleaning toilets.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Piss of Chrissy go clean a toilet somewhere.
Stop all funding to this corrupt country called Argentina bring down this corrupt country and all who govern Argentina.
www.StopFundingArgentina.org
Anyone reading this outside of Argentina sign THE FORM NOW.
From the BA Herald
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Maximo Kirchner, 36, son of President CFK was hospitalised in the early hours of this morning at the Austral Hospital in BA district of Pilar due to a Septic arthritis on his right knee. The founder member of La Campra youth movement arrived after a special emergency flight in Tango 01 Presidentila airplane accompanied by the Head of State.'
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Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Loadmouthed. !
If you are Mapuche Chilean ,I am from Chagossians !
Memorize well below verses..
1) Concealment is a theme which runs through the official documents,
2) Concealment of the existing permanent population,
3) Concealment of the status of invaded peoples,
4 ) Concealment of the full extent the responsibility of the UK Government,
5) Concealment of the fact that many of the Chagossians and all other present colony peoples were citizens of the UK and the Colonies.
@76 I do think the picture editors at BAH and MP have a bit of fun with their selections. : )
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is the President cancelling her official duties AGAIN. Max-sized Max is 36 not 6. Unless his life is in imminent danger she should get on with her job. He is a big boy now, a really BIG boy.
Not a pleasant condition but hardly life threatening enough to require an special emergency flight.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 079 Leiard
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The flight was a cover to move the dollars from their hotels in the south to BsAs ready for the 'flight' (never to return) to New York.
Anybody want to take bets on it? :o)
68 Malvinero1
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Malvi-baby, Malvi-baby!!! Your president is about to run out on you!!! In the same way that rats will always abandon a sinking ship.
You still don't see do you? Her time in office has been nothing but a car crash for your country, She has been a thief and a liar. She has stolen from you, each and everyone of you. She has driven your country into the ground and used this nonsense over the Falklands Islands as a smoke screen every time she makes a mistake or to cover her tracks while she steals something else!!!
It must work though, because you are still posting the same old rubbish instead of saying “Oi!!!! KFC!!! gives us our money back!!”
You are young and full of so much anger and fire, that's a good thing, but you've picked the wrong target. Go get your president and hold her to account for all the crimes she has commited in the name of “her people”
Come on Malvi-baby!! I know we don't see eye-to-eye on somethings, well on most things actually, well ok, EVERYTHING, but listen to what the other Agrentinian posters are saying on here.... Get together with simon68, he talks a lot of sense, you would do well to listen to what he has got to say and then, Please, please Malvi-baby, Go and get your country back, now is your chance to shine Malvi-baby!!! go for it!!!
Islanders firm message to president
Jun 11th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bfbs.com/news/falkland-islands/islanders-firm-message-president-58093.html
Calm down guys, don’t you know the truth, when you hear it,
tut tut , tutertytut .
if the argentine, Foreign Ministry recalls the date in 1829 when the interim government from the Province of Buenos Aires under Brigadier General Martin Rodriguez signed the decree creating the “Political and Military Command of the Malvinas, then so be it, the guy was there for fxuck sake,
who is going to call CFK a lie, if she says she owns the fxcking Malvinas, then SHE OWNS THE MALVINAS ,.
As long as she understands that the British Falklands are British
p/s
Briton=how many Argies doe it take to change a light bulb,
CFK= what’s a light bulb,,
Do you know what a lie is?
CFK what’s a lie,
Can you prove this document exists?
CFK= yes-well maybe , possibly-we lost it ,
No offence was intended, in the making of these silly jokes about the mighty CFK .
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@76 not as septic as his mother
Jun 11th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 077 Think,
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't claim to be Mapuche. I said I had Mapuche ancestry, which, if you have visited my country, will know is true of ca. 70% of my compatriots.
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Jun 11th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/Britain1592
Maximo (owner of Marcos) fiddles while Rome burns.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder why Marcos tries to divert the conversation away from widespread social upheaval and the inevitable exile of his beloved cream bun eating leader and his mother.
I wonder even more why you all get sucked in by his sh!t diego garcia chat.
condorito !!!, now we know you Condorito..., you are another chilean that left chile due to the lack of job oportunities over there hehehehhe LOL now I understand you !!! you can do the same as the people of Aysen !!! ask argentina to adopt you !! get a life mate...
Jun 12th, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0i can see why the British government chooses to ignore the argies and goes with the rights of self determination for the Falkland islands.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0trying to convince the argies to see sense looks impossible and is becomes less of a pleasure less entertaining
Self determination, only way that leads to a peaceful, permanent solution of Falklands’ dispute. End of
Colonial Argentina is looking to colonise the Falklands!!! like it
Jun 12th, 2012 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0What the lies to come out about the 1833 claim, and the made up RG history that is all a load of cods whallop.
Quote,” The press release adds that “the Argentine sovereignty on the Malvinas Islands and their dependencies was interrupted by a belligerent act carried out by British forces on January 3rd, 1833.”
Jun 12th, 2012 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0On that day “local authorities and the Argentine population were expelled from the Malvinas, while being replaced by British subjects”
I hope the Falkland Island delegates at C24 will have the guts to point out that the 'local authorites' had been on the Islands for less than three months.
Hardly a long established administration.
I also hope they have the guts to point out that every civilian from what is now Argentina stayed on the islands, the only civilians that left for South America were not from what is now Argentina. I also hope the Islanders will have the guts to point out that Captain Onslow's visit did not bring any British subjects with it, to settle the Islands.
If the Islanders have the guts to point out to the C24 the historical innacuracies, of the above statement(never mind all the rest),it is true of course that the current C24 will not take any notice.
But how humiliating (as the Argentine Government have no regard for the Falkland Islanders whatsoever), would it be for KFC to be corrected by the Islanders at an international meeting, without HMG by their side! This I believe would sent a HUGE message to the world of the increasing self-autonomy that the Islanders enjoy and that the Argentines should wake up to the fact that the FIG exists however much they try to pretend it doesn't. And FIG are in line with the UN's ideas of de-colonialisation.
Only this year the UN Secretary General's message to theC24 was to encourage de-colonialisation using Self-Determination and independence. Therefore if the C24 ignore the Islanders, I hope they (and HMG), protest to the Secretary General, and ask if the agenda of the C24 (ie encouraging self-determination), has been changed.
Will Argentina ever wake up to all the lies it has been told? I agree that so much time and effort has been wasted on the Falklands/Malvinas issue instead of making the best of a rich and diverse land that they already have. Handled properly, Argentina should be so rich and contented that they would not even raise an eyebrow over the Falklands question and let the matter drop, even if they still believe the lies of decades. I suppose that without the islands to argue about CFK would need to invent a new smokescreen, how about in 1833 the Klingon Empire landed in Patigonia and evicted the Welsh settlers there and it should be given back to Wales, but, those Klingon pirates keep saying that they have been living there for generations and they all speak Klingon, not Welsh and should be left alone.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please check out the new fb page dedicated to honouring the memory of all those who helped liberate the Falklands in 1982 and keeping the islands free for future generations to Desire the Right. Please click the LIKE button on the page to subscribe - https://www.facebook.com/HonourRestored
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is but a ferengi
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where all other goals are subjugated to the pursuit of greed,,and profit,
Is this not true .
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hey Condorito, are you still there ??
Jun 12th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hipolyte,
Jun 13th, 2012 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0i repeat “History is writen by the Victor”
Not sure, but i am guessing the the history section of most libraries world wide are a bit thin on RG history! Am guessing one shelf, and then obviously mentioned in the History of Britain section under the 20th Century :-)))))))
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