MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Principles of freedom and self determination for the Falklands remain as vital now as in 1982
Foreign Minister Jeremy Browne begins this Monday a four day visit to the Falkland Islands, the thirtieth anniversary of the conclusion of the South Atlantic conflict and in a brief message pointed out that thirty years after the conflict the Falklands’ people are being forced to defend themselves once more this time from “the policies of coercion and intimidation” by the current Argentine government. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt is important that the Argentine government is clear about the position of the British Government: we will not allow the Falkland Islanders to be threatened or their freely and democratically expressed views to be disregarded in the international community. To that end, we have been working very closely with the Falkland Islands Government. Ultimately, this is about the people of the Falkland Islands, some of whose families have lived there for nine generations. We are supporting their efforts to explain why they wish to continue to be free to determine their own future.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Say's it all really but probably to complex for turkey neck to comprehend
Principles of freedom and self determination for Diego Garcia remain as vital now as in 1967.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine govenment will not look at the reality of the situation because as we all know they use the 'Falkland Islands' as distraction politics to hide what their disasterous economic and political decision making is doing to their country.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0C'mon Jeremy! Are you going to accept our invitation?
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmevJzXALpk
Poor victims of the argentine evil ways!!!!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahaha C´mon! You gotta be kidding!
This 'reclaiming ' of lost territories seems to be almost exclusively an Hispanic thing in the western derived world.Is France reclaiming the Channel Islands ? Is Germany reclaiming its eastern territories from Poland ?
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These countries live in the real world,'warts and all' and just get on with their lives ,imperfect as they are, while Spain and Argentina are trying to create a fictitious utopia based on false histories and inability to accept the real world as it is.
Argentina has no real claim to the Falklands and Gibraltar, 'Jebel El Tariq ' has been in British hands longer than it was held by Christian Spain.
@2 Marcos, this must be a record. You played the Diego Garcia card so early this evening as the second post of the thread. This is a new record (previous record was around post #30, I think).
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DG is slightly different to FI as it was done pretty much at the behest of the US whilst the UK was “decolonising” (yep, really) Mauritius and The Seychelles during The Cold War. Maybe not our greatest moment but times are different now. It is 2012 not 1966 (or 1833 for that matter)
Marcos what the fook has the islands of diego garcia got to do with it, if that comes to a head they have a point whereas YOU don't, wake up and smell the coffee and stop clutching at straws, check history not what your goverments instilled in your tiny minds you really are starting to sound as desperate as your goverment (loosely termed), can't you see you are being taken for mugs, if not you deserve all that is coming your way and it's all bad. i really despair at your ignorance and lack of free thinking you are truly brainwashed matey. Your only response is to drag up A. Diego Garcia, B. Gib, C The rest of the world surprised you haven't mentioned Bermuda yet it's probably closer to you so must be yours and in your compelte desperation you try to bring Scotland into it, let me tell you if the Scottish regiments had been involved in the Falklands you would be very sorry people.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Callow J.Browne
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont forget to visit two stories greenish building where in Stanley.!
Laughter......Laughter .....GKBW
Falkland residents heading to UN
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jQCR3rJ1ZYwyjLa6ak-jKf98c5MQ?docId=N0197701339372016686A
oh the missile silos
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9 Tipsy Think
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GKBW?
Che?
The only reference I could find on Google was to a Trojan virus. Or maybe Ghoul Kirchner Breaks Wind (best I could come up with)
@4 He already answered. Pay attention. The UK government organises overseas visits months, even years, ahead of time. The country is not run on the daily whim of a bi-polar nutcase who cancels and disregards the obligation of her position as head of state on the slightest excuse, like Argentina.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Persoanlly, I do think his snub is rather effective at putting the Argentine government in its place.
In between 1965 -- 1973 the British Government systematically deported all the Chagossian People from Diego Garcia...
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They were left stranded,dispossessed an relating to the tragedy unfoding in the front of their eyes.....
@13 Elaine- They can always have a cosy chat at the next G20 while there's still time or when they widen it to the G100!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This jelly browne is scare......
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He looks confused and drunk like UK PM David Cameron..... did you all have read the latest news from the UK .....Oh! ....is the biggest scandal since hearing old Charles phone calls to Camilla saying he want to be converted as Camilla Tampax .....last week he accused my country Argentine of “trying to impoverish the islands”.. rather to accept the fact the THE ISLANDERS NEVER WILL MAKE IT ....189 YEARS FOR NOTHING1
@ 2 Mr Bingham
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two wrongs don't make a right! Most Brits would agree that Diego Garcia was wrong and nothing to do with Todays Government or the Falklands. just as Most Argentines would claim that the 82 Invasion was wrong and not their fault. For Britain to give the Falklands to Argentina, would just be creating another diego garcia.
Perhaps you should keep out of politics and go back to miscounting penguins!
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Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All in all,the use of legislative power can not be extrapolated from the political...In collaboration with the US ,the British Government manipulated law to create fictional political circumstances from the very beginning the -- Order in Council -- was the most recent desperate attempts by the British Governments to use a strinkly politicised form of law to achive political ends....?!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Similar tactics were used from the very beginning when new legal categories were constructed to faciliate the violation of other legal obligations.Along these lines ,the following will demonstrate how he British Governments branded the --Chagossians - as migrant workers in order to justify the dispossession and to dissolve their responsibilities under ARTICLE 73 /UN CHARTER....?!
You know the brain dead Marcus as ever has zero argument when he has to immediately start mentioning other subjects or usually posting some news article that has zero relevance to the subject in hand.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Essentially he's like a more retarded version of the Argentine government but with the same predictable outcome that everyone laughs at him just like the international community laugh at CFK and tinman.
@2 Marcos Alejandro (#)
Jun 11th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 11th, 2012 - 07:09 pm
As despicable as that episode is, it is irrelevant to the Falkland Islanders and the Argentine Malvinista attempt to colonise them and neither issue has anything to do with you.
@2 Marcos
Jun 11th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having met someone who lived and worked on the Chagos Archipelago for several years before the US base was built I can say with some authority that you are talking through your backside here.
The islands were uninhabited until the French and then the British came up with the idea of developing copra plantations.The reason they were uninhabited was quite simple; there was no indigenous source of drinkable water. Everything had to be brought in including food ,water and contracted labour from south Asia.When the labourers had fulfilled their contract they returned to Ceylon or India.The only things which thrived on some of the islands were feral goats (behind 'the goat fence') and lizards. Over time some of the indentured labourers who had no
families to go back to were allowed to retire on the islands.
Come the 1950s and 1960s copra had stopped being an economic commodity and so the plantations were getting ready to be closed.
Along came the Americans who decided they needed a base there.They could have employed a few of the indentured labourers but most of the population of less than 1000 was non technical and old.There were very few young people on the islands. The Americans chose to import mainly Philippinos from their base at Subic Bay to service Diego Garcia as they had a long history of Philippinos working for the US Navy .
Britain paid £3 million to the Mauritian govt in 1967 and the Chagossians were to be compensated at £3000 per head (£650,000 in total ) and resettled in Mauritius which did not really feel it needed to treat the islanders as a special case and ignored them.
As of now without the desalination plant and everything which is brought in the Archipelago is as uninhabitable as it was before the French and the British set up the copra plantations.
So you think that because what we did makes what you want to do ok then, decolonise the Falkands and then re colonise it, but everyone must speak Spanish (not RG by the way) and be indoctrinated to your way of thinking, does that not make you as bad as us, two wrongs don't make a right, why can't you just except the people of the Falklands want to make thier own choices and it don't include Argentina so get over it....................oh thats right you can't. drag up all the crap you like about DG and all the rest of the BOT but I'll bet you now your short history is darker than ours, at least we have never slaughterd our own people by the thousands and stood shoulder to shoulder to proptect our rights and fellow nations unlike you who were so quick to give the Nazis a home who we spent years and millions of lives to defeat, so dont preach to us about DG. Your delusionment and stupidity is only surpassed by Turkey neck whom continues to lead you down a path of self destruction, why you can't see it is beyond me . Anyway good luck in your self destruction, feel free to disagree with me but as a Falklnds war veteran you can FOOK OFF
Jun 11th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the british just want to be your friend,
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we have told you, we want no trouble,
we just want peace,
but we will protect the falklands,
the question is then,
how far , when , and where,
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23 -- b
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0briton !
Why do you struggle to write in long sentences .?
just write what you know only thing poems!
These Malvenistas are really stupid. Kirchener is queen of the stupid.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is never ever going to get sovereignty. NEVER.
They cannot do it militarily, and have no allies to force it economically or politically.
So, they have their lies, they go to MERCOSUR with them, they go to OAS with them, now to the C24. So..frikking..what..!
The best you will get from that is a few countries Brit bashing...and so...? Who actually cares...you still aren't having them.
You have no historical claim but a warped history based on lies
you have no moral claim
The people who live there either dislike or pity you
It ain't ever going to happen.
You could have cooperated on fisheries and oil...but you Wilkes like spoilt children, now you have nothing.
Whilst the Islanders will become fabulously wealthy and the British will remember....what goes around comes around Cristina.
17 JohnCFI
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The true count was quite accurate...
http://www.falklands.net/FalklandsCorruption.shtml
TipsyThink just gives the wink
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Especially when he’s tipsy,
He thinks CFK should stay were she lay,
At the tipsy end of the day,
For the brits are the best
As we don’t need the rest,
After a tipsy night in the nest.
A poem is good,
It sooths the nerves,
Stops the shaking, at the sink,
For after a few beers,
And bevies at night,
We all turn to tipsy think .
Up the British,
Down with the CFK
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13 ElaineB
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am glad that your father Cameron remembered after all.
Were you scare?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly0i3aQinCo
So Marcos, why do you want to do to the Falkland Islanders what the UK did to the residents of Diego Garcia? You imperialist you.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shouldn't you be watching those with more wealth than you bash their cooking utensils or trying to get rid of your mickey mouse money?
No Beef, we are not English. They can live in Argentinean soil like tens of thousands of British do in the mainland.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When they know, they have lost all hope of ever succeeding, or telling the truth,
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jealousy and envy creeps in .
It really hurts, when you want something, you can’t have,
So why not blame the British, most other losers do ..
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tipsythink is that your best response do your self a favour and log off, if you want to speak to a veteran say so if not .....................well
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But they don't want to leave their homes and move to Argentina. They want to stay where they are and remain residents of the BOT of the Falkland Islands. Your country has nothing to offer them and you have no soverign or legal authority over them.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try harder next time.
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What I find most interesting about this article is that Jeremy Brown is well known and respected by 'most' South American nations. He is very high-profile and saying the right things at the right time to the right people. As the Argentinian propaganda machine gets more frantic and more maniacal, it is rhe principal of self-determination which will find resonance with reasonable people. I predict Cristina will make an arse of herself at the C24 Committee. Still she will be able buy Maximo some Cinnabuns at JFK, that should cure septic arthritic knees....yuk!!
Jun 11th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina, would be imperial nation Argentina, would be colonizers of the Falkland islands. you will fail. the sights you have set your self is to high.
Jun 11th, 2012 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please stay at home and keep your oppressive ways to yourself And we the great and powerful United kingdom and Her many territory's do not want to be oppressed. in fact we will not be oppressed. the sword will always be sharper then the tongue
Falkland island ! Freedom From oppression. Liberty, justice and most importantly Self Determination. long after the Argentinean tongues have gone
Argentina go and learn from your mistakes and stop lying you only make yourselves look bad you look the moaners of the South Americas
learn its all a distraction. see with your eyes. think about the people living on the islands and think if it was your home how would you feel if someone threaten to take it away, change it from what you are used to too something you don't want it to be how would you react? if it was your home would you let them take it? with out a fight? even if the whole world was against you? even though they have little claim to it? wouldnt you want the right to self-determination?
The principles of freedom and self determination remain just as vital now as they were then”:
Jun 12th, 2012 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Translated: “The geopolitical and oil interests today are still as important today as then,” as in the 60's on the island of Diego Garcia, where on the contrary, it was appropriate for the population EJECT, and now this man speaks of self-determination ...
Apparently Argentina never did anything wrong throughout their entire existence, hence they can shout all these irrelevent stories and know their glass house is nice and safe. No nazi hiding, no fascist juntas, no whitening of populations, no desert conquests, just good clean modern honesty.... All countries screw up and act immorally, that doesn't mean they lose the right to complain when something immoral affects them. It's called seperating issues and taking each case on it's own facts and merits, but I guess that's too hard for some to comprehend. Let them distract and hypothesise, it's all they have. Argentina has no other ammunition, which is ironic considering their army at the moment. The more they distract, the more we know they have nothing left, the UK and FI can sleep easy... And do! :)
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jose - if you think (like i do) that what happened in Diego Garcia was wrong then lobby your gvt to drop your nation's claim and let the islanders determine their own future.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0It appears that is what you are saying.
@38 doesn't really compare to the thousands you and your government made disappear in the 70s-80s
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0what about their right to self determination? that you the government and peoples Argentine cut short?
Epic Fail Argentina!
Colonial Argentina wishing to move a population from the islands to re-colonise with there own. hahaha Love the double standards, and themselves having stolen lands and butchered natives (celebrated on a bank note) is even more laughable. RG's are a sad humiliated broke nation
Jun 12th, 2012 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Smoothly put Jeremy. There can be no surrender of the islanders rights.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina tries to blockade and isolate the Falklands just like the Soviets tried to blockade Berlin and whilst the methodology is not the same, the mindset surely is. Of course Argentina has the sovereign right to decide who enters its waters and air space but it applies these actions against a non beligerent neighbour and it gets like minded neighbours to do the same. It denies history, and it denies the islanders rights. It breaks treaties and tears up negiotiations, breaks its own constitution and brainwashes its people. Argentina has yet to grow up.
@4 Why wasn't the invitation given to the FIG? It's the FIG who run the Islands and Jeremy Browne is not an elected member of the FIG.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Browne is honouring the British Commitment to support the Islanders toward more autonomy from the UK which is exactly how the UN views de-colonialisation, whereas Argentina ignores as many UN edicts as it possibly can. (Argentina supports colonialisation).
Browne is not going to speak to Argentina without the Islander's consent and not at short notice. Argentina's misunderstanding that official visits are planned properly, and ahead, instead of the random fashion in which it conducts its inneffective and ramshackle diplomacy, illustrates Argentina for the declining third world introspective country for whom all except despotic regimes are losing respect for.
What a pity, Argentina could be a great country, but choses not to be.
@14 I am examining the facts to see what happened here, but since you are dragging up past history would you like to remind me how many of it's own people the Argentine Republic murdered during the 1970s? Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that Argentine citizens were repatriated from Argentina into the South Atlantic from the backs of aircraft. Britain did not drop the Chagos Islanders into the sea. If you are going to pick on mistakes made by the British Government in the past, then you have only yourself to blame if Argentina's far worse mistakes are thrown back at you.
When it comes to committing atrocities and messing things up, Argentina beats the UK hands down.
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Jun 12th, 2012 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Magnificent,extraordinary ,.....really ,!
We have some funny, and ignorant, people on here today. Let's take a look at some of the clowns.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Diego Garcia was and is irrelevant.
@5 5 minutes in Buenos Aires or 30 seconds looking at CFK's “face”. Argies are evil!
@14 There are no Chagossian people. There never were!
@17 No most Brits who know the truth wouldn't. Read @22 and start to get some idea of the real truth. The “Chagossians” (properly the Ilois) were descendants of African slaves taken to the islands by the French. Over time, the were freed but became contract labour on the copra plantations. They were supplemented by itinerant fishermen and the like who paddled over from Mauritius. Not one single “Chagossian” ever owned so much as a speck of Chagos dust. Eventually, the British government bought the islands from the Mauritian company. The British gave the Mauritius government a large sum of money to resettle the “Chagossians”. The Mauritius government pocketed the money. Later on, the British government gave the “Chagossians” even more money. We're soft that way. Look at our foreign aid bill and the number of foreigners who flock to our country for the benefits.
@31 But they are intelligent. And they don't want to live with scum.
@38 You can't read, can you? And you can't think either.
Poor argieland. Total space between the ears. Is that where they are supposed to keep their brains? Or do they keep them lower down and at the back? Or have they got any? Are argies human? Or are they simply the dregs from some interstellar looney-bin? We all know about the amount of money spent searching for extra-terrestrial life. Are “argies” an example? Proving that there is no intelligent life in the Universe away from Earth. And look around on Earth. There is intelligence in Britain. But the farther you get from Britain, the less intelligence there is. Unless we put it there. Poor S.Ams. Condemned to ignorance, poverty and futility.
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Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The issue of Diego Garcia, among others, even more favors our position on the Malvinas. There is the legal principle of estoppel, by which adopts the principle of own acts, which should take into account previous legal acts of state and their subsequent claims. A State which expels the indigenous people of a territory (to let him “clean and disinfected”! According to the U.S. demand, his dad) can not later claim the “self determination” of a transplanted population and over a territory usurped. It is not serious. Also, how is the issue? There is talk of the 8, 9 (do not know if you are 20 generations since every time we add a generation) of Malvinas and not recognizing the Ilois settled in the islands since the eighteenth century. Sorry, should have a little more sanity. Indeed, the Supreme Court of England ruled for the islanders to return to what remains! of its islands, obviously not taken or will take into account this decision. Sorry pirates, can not so easily fooled people.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 conQUEEERRRR
Jun 12th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHAT IS HE RATTLING ABOUT?...
THIS FATSO WITH DROPPING SALIVA.. .BELIEVES THE PAST IS PERFECT?..
HEY...YOUR 'PERFECT' UK PM DAVID CAMERON IS DRUNK ....HE CANNOT COPE WITH HIS POSITION TO REPRESENT YOUR.... “uk” ....
HE CANNOT TAKE CARE OF HIS CHILD LEFT IN THE PUB..
..UK NEWS.... NO SENSE ECONOMIC ...THE UK NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK... BRITAINS NATIONAL DEBT CRISIS...
MISS FERGI FERGUSON BROKE IN THE US CANNOT RESIDE IN THE UK UNLESS HER EX HUSBAND PRINCE ANDREW RENTS HER A ROOM....
DIANA SPENCER LOOKING FOR THE PERFECT WEALTH FROM DODI AL FAYED...AND RUB HER ASS WITH HIM IN FRONT OF THE uk....
OLD CHARLES WANTS TO BE TRANSFORMED as CAMILLA's TAMPAX
THESE ENGLISH PEOPLE CANNOT COPE WITH LIFE..
THEY ARE THE 'ROYALS'......THEY ARE BLOODY RUBBISH KNOWN ALL AROUND THE WORLD...
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Jun 12th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It’s 2018. HMS Indefensible has been handed over to the Royal Navy…
http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/a-vision-of-the-future
When we come, we come with all hands?
• Contact,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
“Admiral, I’ve been asked to invite you to choose which of your arms you would prefer me to cut off”
http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/a-vision-of-the-future
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@ 48 José Malvinero
Jun 12th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well thats just awesome..... By the way, how did you lot come to be in South America..... Oh yes, by EXTERMINATION OF THE NATIVE POPULATION Now that is really what is meant by userpation!!! As you so strongly uphold this, we shall expect that you hand back the bit of South America you stole from the Natives. Don't forget to switch off the lights as you leave the South Atlantic.
@48 Diego Garcia is not an issue. Nor is a comparison between Diego Garcia and the Falkland Islands. (There are NO Malvinas). The Ilois were not “settled”. At the outset, they were slaves. Settlement implies ownership to some degree. No Ilois ever owned a single grain of sand.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to claim estoppel, you will need to define whether you want to apply English or American law.
MALVINAS, conqueror, M-A-L-V-I-N-A-S, do you undertand? FOR EVER MALVINAS.
Jun 12th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 Forever?????????? 1st April to 14th June 1982-when you illegally invaded the Falkland Islands, before your sorry asses were kicked off back home.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0F-A-L-K-L-A-N-D I-S-L-A-N-D-S forever.
There is no Malvinas, otherwise there would be signs on the Falkland Islands saying so.
Numpty.
49 Sussie US
Jun 13th, 2012 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0You need to go away....
I am fed up with you all. I know that Malvinas belong to Argentina and that one day soon your population will be supplanted by our population. Your government will be taken over by our government. The entire South Atlantic will be Argentine.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0This will be reverse colonialism, returning colonial population to Britain and replacing them with Argentine population. It is like reverse racism, in order to correct historical wrongs you have to forcibly reverse them. I have been reading up on Fabianism, it is very similar to Nazism, which is why I like it so much!
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