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As Falkland Islanders, we have the right to decide our own fate
By MLA Gavin Short (*) - The following piece was published on Wednesday’s edition of The Guardian. Thirty years on from the liberation of the Falklands, a referendum on our political future will send a clear signal to the world Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesFalkland islanders well done!
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a good show of true strength against injustice that is Argentina!
Bravo
Up the Falklands,
Jun 13th, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Down the RG.
We must put to rest the animosities that have kept various groups of people from enjoying anything other than superficial unity. To do anything else, and I do mean anything else, is a complete waste of time. This may be water under the bridge by now, but if The RG truly believes that it is always being misrepresented and/or persecuted, then maybe it should enroll in Introduction to Reality 101.
Mark my words: we can all have daydreams about Happy Fuzzy Purple Bunny Land, where everyone is caring, loving, and nice. Not only will those daydreams not come true, but we must get the facts out in the hope that somebody will do something to solve the problem.
Only then can a society free of its bitter cajoleries blossom forth from the roots of the past. And only then will people come to understand that we need to put it on notice for its attempts to force its moral code on the rest of us.
Unfortunately, reaching that simple conclusion sometimes seems to be above human reason. But there is a wisdom above human, and to that we must look if we are ever to put an end to The RG's evildoing.
The RG's escapades must not go unchallenged. Period, finis, and Q.E.D.
Well done Falkland Islanders, more of this assertiveness will expose the Argentines for what they are to the world.
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Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/Britain1592
I'm waiting for Arg. referendum about to who belongs the Islands ha ha
Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British are a joke
@5 DanyBerger (#) hahaha That would be the source of much laughter from across the world.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British are damn funny arnt they ?
Sorry if the democratic thing doesnt make sense to you, you lot are still not quite used to it.
@5 I'm waiting for the referendum in Thailand about wether I own the country.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if they said yes it dosent make any difference because I have no right to demand something which does not belong to me, much like the Argentines and the Falklands.
@5 there are a couple of Argentinians living in the islands now. i wonder if they would prefer normality as they have it now or the craziness of KFC?
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure i read on of their mothers said don't come back....
@DunnyTurder
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In response to DanyBerger's apothegms, I would like to offer the following opposing points. Although my approach may appear a bit pedantic, by setting some generative point of view against a structural-taxonomical point of view or vice versa. In DanyBerger's quest to erode constitutional principles that have shaped our society and remain at the core of our freedom and liberty he has left no destructive scheme unutilized.
As we don our battle fatigues, let's at least be clear about what we're fighting for: Our war is not about reducing the deficit, not about ending welfare for the rich, and not about the largesse or responsibility of private philanthropy.
All we want is for DanyBerger's blackshirts not to wreck our country, derail our civilization, and threaten the human race with extinction. DanyBerger's artifices are utterly otiose. Sounds pretty rabid, doesn't it? But is it any more so than DanyBerger's mingy ebullitions?
Given the idea of DanyBerger excluding all people and proposals that oppose his counterproductive deeds it is essential to call your attention to the problem of irascible, prudish jabberers.
Bloody hell! I must have been reading these bloggs for too long. I actually understood that! Wonderful piece of penmanship LA, simply wonderful.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0think it is a good measure because it will also serve the Chagossians to defend their rights violated by the English who were evicted from their land-
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NO?
So your behavior may serve to ALL the wishes of those who once were hit can be taken into account -
Truth?
regards
11
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed and the Amerindians who you subjected to genocide to further the Argentine Reich.
@10 reality
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you ;)
@11 rosariño
So two wrongs make a right?
The Chagossians were screwed so lets furk the Falklands. Nice.
@12
Quite.
Nice statement from the islanders!
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is the islanders finding their voice on the international stage hopefully! All the rest of the world needs to hear (even the corrupt C24 nations like Syria) is that 'we don't want anything to do with Argentina - they treated us shamefully in 1982 by stealing our heirlooms, locking us up in a hall for months and smearing excrement on our walls. We would forgive and forget, but unfortunately, we have have had more aggression of the argentine kind througth fishing rights etc and now they are trying to make us out to be a non people! Nothing could be farther from the truth...'
They can then also add that they are the descendents fom the Louis Venet colony and dispel the one Arngentine lie et.. Possibilities are endless really aren't they ? I like to thinkn positively!
@Logorrhea Alert
Jun 13th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You beat me to it. A standard Argentine justification for attempting to carry out their grubby little land grab is to say ”but you evil brits did---(fill in the gap) --in ---(fill in the gap)--year.
Usually it is something well over 100 years ago, or about how beastly we were to the poor innocent nazis in ww2.
@11 Rosarino, what happened to the Chagossians was a disgraceful act of the British government (40 years ago), and I am of the belief that the US military should be evicted from the islands and the Chagossians be allowed to return to Diego Garcia. That however is utterly irrelevant, as two wrongs don't make a right. We cast away the Chagossians so it would be OK for us to do the same to the Falklanders? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? Of course, I shouldn't be surprised as all Argentine arguments are ridiculous and irrelevant.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 What? You are saying that the English were evicted from Chagossian lands? Totally unacceptable. We shall have to something about it!
Jun 13th, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regrettably, this is a place where you get told the truth. Never mind what they told you in school. It's a myth aimed at supporting the “Malvinas” myth.
In fact, the Chagos Archipelago is uninhabitable without external aid. For a start, there is no fresh water. The “Chagossians” are actually called the Ilois. Their origin is quite simple. The majority were brought to the Islands from various parts of Africa by the French as slaves. You will appreciate that they owned nothing. Over time, the islands were bought by a Mauritian company and the Ilois became contract workers. They still owned nothing. A few itinerant fishermen, who also owned nothing, also turned up. Eventually, Britain bought the islands. Suspecting that they were about to be asked to leave, the Ilois concocted their “sob story”. As a first step, the British government paid the Mauritian government a large sum of money in order to resettle the Ilois. Being honest and reputable, the Mauritian government pocketed the money. Some time later, under pressure, the British government paid out lots more money. Then, seeing that the Ilois were attempting one of the first benefit frauds, the British government put a legal stop to it. And so the story ENDS!
All these idiots who are going on about Diego Garcia have swallowed the John Pilger 'victim narrative' without even bothering to find out the facts. The facts are that the Chagos archipelago was uninhabited for a good reason ;there was no fresh water and the French and British who originally set up the copra plantations there had to bring water with them ,along with the workers and food .The need for copra had died out by the 1960s and there was no income,no water and no food for anybody who would have remained there.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Americans decided they needed a base there and brought a Philipino workforce to run it as the Chagossians ( lower caste Indian and Ceylonese Tamil indentured workers) were too old,too few and technically illiterate. They were given £3000 each ( in 1960s money ) and with the agreement of themselves and Mauritius ( given £3 million ) moved to Mauritius.It was a moneyspinner for Mauritius at the time.
As of now the islands would be uninhabitable if it were not for the desalination plant and food brought in. People have never thrived there without modern technology.It is not some sort of paradise island;the term desert island fits it well.The only things which thrive are lizards and feral goats at the empty end of Diego Garcia ( behind the 'goat fence'.)
How do I know? Because I knew somebody who was there in the closing days of the copra plantations .If the Americans weren't there it would revert to an uninhabited and uninhabitable barren group of islands.
If there are fisheries there they have never been developed.
@15 shb
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's me man, quick.
Quick to the point, to the point no breakin,
Cookin MCs like a pound of bacon...
@17 & 18
Thanks for the background to the Diego Garcia saga. Still some pitty might be spared for the Chagossians, they did get a rough deal.
there just embarrassed by all the people they murdered during them 70s-80s
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Done, Give it to them non-lubed!!!
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Game.........Set..........Match
I'll say it again: THE MALVINAS ARE ARGENTINE, and this is the list of Spanish and Argentine governors until piratical usurpation of 1833:
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SPANISH
1767-1773 F. Ruiz Puente
1773-1774 D. Chauri
1774-1777 F. Gil y Lemos y Taboada
1777-1779 R. Carassa y Souza
1779-1781 S. de Medina y Juan
1781-1783 J. M. del Carmen Altolaguirre
1783-1784 F. D. Montemayor
1784-1785 A. de Figueroa
1785-1786 R. de Clairac y Villalonga
1786-1787 P. de Mesa y Castro
1787-1788 R. de Clairac y Villalonga
1788-1789 P. de Mesa y Castro
1789-1790 R. de Clairac y Villalonga
1790-1791 J. J. de Elizalde y Ustariz
1791-1792 P. P. Sanguineto
1792-1793 J. J. de Elizalde y Ustariz
1793-1794 P. P. Sanguineto
1794-1795 J. de Aldana y Ortega
1795-1796 P. P. Sanguineto
1796-1797 J. de Aldana y Ortega
1797-1798 L. de Medina y Torres
1798-1799 F. X. de Viana y Alzaibar
1799-1800 L. de Medina y Torres
1800-1801 F. X. de Viana y Alzaibar
1801-1802 R. Fernández de Villegas
1802-1803 B. de Bonavía
1803-1804 A. L. de Ibarra y Oxinando
1804-1805 B. de Bonavía
1805-1806 A. L. de Ibarra y Oxinando
1806-1808 B. de Bonavía
1809-1810 G. Bondas
1810-1811 P. G. Martínez
After the emancipation of America, by the principle uti possidetis juris, the emancipated countries inherit, of course, the limits that had its pre-emancipation, including the Malvinas Islands
ARGENTINES
1820-1821 D. Jewett
1821-1821 W. Mason
1824-1824 P. Areguatí
1829-1832 L. Vernet
1832-1832 J. F. Mestivier
1832-1833 J. M. Pinedo
During all these years (66) there was no complaint from any country.
THE MALVINAS ARE ARGENTINE FOREVER
José
Jun 13th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor José
The pirates always win.
You are lost and you have lost, boo hoo.
Cheer up, a poem for you and your righteous hatred:
what have you done?
a black cloud of betrayal as perceptions twist.
once you talked of paradise,
wide-eyed and innocent,
but your thirst soured.
a sickening morass of hatred -
drops of blood follow bone, follow bitterness,
love bled dry.
in a torrent of righteousness,
i condemn you.
Well! For the Nobel Prize for Literature!
Jun 13th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are more likely to see Argenweener breakup into smaller states than to ever see a blue and white flag flying over The Falklands in ANY foreseeable future.
Jun 13th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SELF DETERMINATION such a fitting democratic right to have in a civilized 21st century
G.S.T.Q
@24
Jun 13th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are welcome.
Desde la tierra de los poetas,
Salu2
We don’t know why these fools carry on the flag waving for deluded CFK .
Jun 13th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Despite what the British want, or the Falklands, or the UN or the free world, CFK will just ignore the result, as stated earlier,
But the result, will be definition, embarrass CFK and her government, and almost certainly cost her friends,
Except the deluded four, of course,
But her meaning of peace and ours are two different things,
But like all [bits of white paper]
Every bit of time is precious, until it runs out,
And British resolve, cant last forever,
And retaliation will almost certainly follow, her aggression,
Starting with,, the famous British tit 4 tat .
And to be brought to heel, like a puppy,[ again ] by a tiny island people, will be to much shame, even for CFK to bear .
mm
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@22 Jose Malvinero
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The principle of uti possidetis juris is not universally recognised in International Law. It would allow Canada (for example) to claim St Pierre and Miquelon from France. Fortunately our friends in the North are far too sensible and civilised and therefore they try and apply this principle.
There is also the priciple of prescription - islanders who have lived there (INCLUDING the original Argentine civilian population) for around 180 years. They are the only people that have the final decision. End of story.
BTW, please explain how Argentina also claim sovereignty over South Georgia without having settled there? Talking about the continental shelf is a fight of fancy - we could use the same argument to claim France (and they us)
If you think that you are hard done by, go to the ICJ and sort it out there.
22 José Malvinero
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Facts are not important to our claim, the British will claim historical facts their claim overlapped Spanish claim and predates it. They will claim Argentina did not inherit Spanish claim and was in fact Spain who surrendered claim to France.
It is true that the British claim the islands before Spain and France and that Spain never put a governor or settlement on the islands. It also true that was the French who made first settlement but the British who first named islands in 1690. After the French settlement it was the British who next settled the islands, then Argentina under Vernet an Argentine from Germany who for several months raised our flag over Port Louis before being removed by US without a fight, he is a typical Argentine hero because he confiscated two unarmed American ships and set the crew of one adrift but was not prepared to put up a fight against US corvette because he did not wish to cause unnecessary deaths! He was a hero of Argentina!
Then the British for 189 years take illegal possession of Argentine land and sea for 3,500 miles out into South Atlantic to South Georgia and South Atlantic islands and Antarctica which was also part of Argentina by historical fact, Grace of God, Papal Bull 1496!!!!!!
The Pope would include Antarctica and South Atlantic Islands if he knew and this will be presented to the C24 committee along with our other claims on anniversary of defeat of England in the Malvinas War.
The truth is we don't care what the islanders think, they are there temporary until Argentina establish re-establish our colony that Vernet started, he was our last but one Governor of the islands I would lick be the next.
True Argentine men are more macho even with gay marriage now legal in Argentina, they resist despite all temptations.
As some of the posters on this story seem to be bringing up the British involvement of Diego Garcia, I am happy to say tht Britain is making up for any distasteful behaviour in that passage of history by firmly defending the rights of the Falkland Islanders right now against the corrupt and aggressive Argentine government.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@30
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0What? That would be like Argentina attoning for the sins against natives by indemnifying the european immigrants.
To make up for the crimes against one people, you must do actions towards those people. The Falklanders are not such people, in fact they are essentially British so there is no such British attoning for crimes against non-British.
It's not gonna work !! Unasul has already expressed its point and by the time, there will be no Falkland, but only Malvinas...
Jun 14th, 2012 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Logo Diarrhea Alert
Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to be in the chemistry or biology business. What do you classify little fish?
“structural-taxonomical” that was very good! I guess you mean “taxonomic” the relationship among hierarchical structures, molecules, species, software hierarchy, etc.
Your post remind me the Laffer-Khaldun hypothetical representation about the elasticity of the relationship of govt. taxation 0% and 100% is equal 0 gain.
So too much word to say very little = 0 gain
Ha ha you seem to be very good source of laugh mate.
There were no spanish governors after 1777 when the Viceroyalty was formed and the 'Governorship' moved to BA.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina never managed to establish any 'governors' there.
Just the Argies myths and fantasies :-)
@22 and I'll say it again, how many of those were more than 3rd generation Argentine and how many actually ever set foot on the islands? I asked you before and you didn't respond.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0@31 I'll think you'll find that the original settlers to the Islands were from many countries including Britain who agreed to stay and live under British rule at the time.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0The current inhabitants of the Islands can trace their original heritage to multiple cultures and places. The Argentine government are not punishing the people for being completely ethnically British but for choosing to live under British rule rather than Argentinian.
Please also remember the inhabitants of Diego Garcia settled an uninhabited island and then were relocated. They were also compensated for the relocation.
Yes, their opinions were ignored and the compensation didn't make up for that but at least the British tried.
I don't think indemnifying the original Spanish settlers for genocide is a comparable example. The Chagossians were moved, not put to the sword in their masses.
@31
Jun 14th, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with your country, isn’t there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission.
How did this happen? Who’s to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you’re looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror :)
@28 (my own post)
Jun 14th, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just read para 1 and it comes out complete bollocks (no edit facility in MP). Too much Chilean Pinot Noir (thanks chaps!)
Should read
” It would allow Canada (for example) to claim St Pierre and Miquelon from France. Fortunately our friends in the North are far too sensible and civilised and therefore they DON'T try and apply this principle.”
#33 DB
Jun 14th, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't wish to appear to be a pedant but taxonomical is a valid adjective as is structural therefore he was using a complex adjective with a complex noun and is thus grammatically correct.
#29
Jun 14th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0So your claim rests on the Papal Bull? Just try running that in the ICJ - I can already hear the laughter!
29 - History wrong again Troll, the settlement left in 1833 asked for British Permission to set up a camp. Not being the sharpest tool in the box even you can see that if you ask a country permission your are accepting that they have a claim?? correct..or was he just being polite
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all of you KNOW, and all of US know, you will become free when Argentine and Englad, in the UN frame, discuss what happen whit the sovereignity problem-
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THEN, you can decide to stay become free, or leave whit the Chagossians people in the hpuse of 16-britishguyfromlondon!
Whe can do the same question of the 40 millions of argentines in a referendum: and the answer will be the same...so, you need to wait -
By the way you britishguyfromlondon, try to read what your country DO around the world whit people´s will, dividing complete countries, such INDIA, invented new one´s as Jordania, and making disasters in your empire idea-
Regards
42 - What your point, because UK was a world power and influenced other countries sometimes to the detriment of its inhabitants Argentina can do the same, interesting legal position. Argentina doesnt have a claim...the rights of the people in falklands are the most important, this is inshrined in UN Mandate. The people are free and they will vote as they please, RG's are after decolonisation by UK the Recolonisation by Argentian madness
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re-establishment_of_British_rule_on_the_Falkland_Islands
@42 So many problems with your post.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) It's the UK you dimwit. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. England hasn't been an independent state for over 300 years, get that into your thick heads.
2) The islands are a protectorate meaning they are responsible for their own affairs, but the UK PROTECTS them, understand? If you want to discuss anything, you have to ask the islanders!!
3) There is no sovereignty problem, the islanders want to remain British, the only problem is the Argentinian government carrying out trade blockades and harrassing the locals, do you understand? If you disagree, then tell me what the islanders have done against Argentina? Ever?
4) The Islanders ARE free, they have full democracy and one of the highest standards of living in the world. You think living alongside Argentina, the 100th ranked corrupt nation on the planet with 30% inflation, horrendous street crime and a Government controlled press is a better option? Are you mental?!
5) The referendum is being asked of the islanders alone, not the UK, so your reference to asking Argentinians for their opinion is completely non-sensical.
6) India became independent alone and the divisions after that independence was their own choice, check your history books, if you can import one because of the “dangerous ink that might be in it” and make sure to export something of equal worth first because otherwise the economy of your wonderful country might collapse.
7) Check the top 20 economies of the world, see how many either are related to the UK or were established governmentally by the UK and then check their standard of living, GDP, corruption data etc etc then check those related to your Mother country of Spain and, once you've done all that: shut the **** up.
#42
Jun 14th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look to your own record: Argie was never a world power, but in terms of genocide, political murders, extermination of “undesirables”, torture, repression and corruption you were and are up there with the leaders.
@29 fillipo strikes again, Vernet confiscated two US ships and set one of the crews adrift in the freezing and unforgiving south atlantic, but when an American corvette turns up, he turned into the usual surrender monkey because he didn't want unnecassary deaths. A true RG hero, you couldn't make this shit up, sounds familiar though doen't it?
Jun 14th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@DumbyBerger
Jun 14th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Socrates was condemned to death by the city of Athens for his views. I hope I don't receive the same treatment for saying that many people respond to DunnyTurder's counterproductive litanies in the same way that they respond to television dramas. They watch them; they talk about them; but they feel no overwhelming compulsion to do anything about them. That's why I insist we promote peace, prosperity, and quality of life, both here and abroad. The salient point here is that DunnyTurder is the picture of the insane person on the street, babbling to a tree, a wall, or a cloud, which cannot and does not respond to his invectives. If we don't soon tell him to stop what he's doing, he will proceed with his spineless sermons, considerably emboldened by our lack of resistance. We will have tacitly given him our permission to do so.
Sorry, guys, but the inconvenient truth is that as DunnyTurder matures emotionally he'll eventually grow out of his present way of thinking and come to realize that we can all have daydreams about Happy Fuzzy Purple Bunny Land, where everyone is caring, loving, and nice. Not only will those daydreams not come true, but the spectrum of views between denominationalism and revisionism is not a line but a circle at which moralistic hoddypeaks and humorless lamebrains meet. To properly place DunnyTurder somewhere in that spectrum one needs to realize that if you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem.
@42 What we do? I think you mean what we DID. In the nineteenth century. You really need to grow up and stop being an idiot. Funnily enough, the Falklanders already are free. They don't want to have to live as second-class citizens under Argentine occupation. Giving you the Falklands would not be decolonisation, it would be recolonisation. Also, why do you keep going on about Diego Garcia when it is utterly irrelevant to the question at hand.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 'Facts are not important to our claim, the British will claim historical facts their claim overlapped Spanish claim and predates it. They will claim Argentina did not inherit Spanish claim and was in fact Spain who surrendered claim to France.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is true that the British claim the islands before Spain and France and that Spain never put a governor or settlement on the islands. It also true that was the French who made first settlement but the British who first named islands in 1690. After the French settlement it was the British who next settled the islands, then Argentina under Vernet an Argentine from Germany who for several months raised our flag over Port Louis before being removed by US without a fight, he is a typical Argentine hero because he confiscated two unarmed American ships and set the crew of one adrift but was not prepared to put up a fight against US corvette because he did not wish to cause unnecessary deaths! He was a hero of Argentina! '
Refreshingly honest Filippo, except Vernet wasn't Argentinian. And he asked permission from the UK for his commercial venture and was later paid compensation by the UK government.
As Fillippo is honest enough to admit, facts are not important to Argentina's claim.
Short' statement was absolutly obvious, he tells only the half of the question, and victimizes his side only like most politicians.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway the whole world, must know about a couple of important aspects.
The malvinas-falkland cause has always been considered like a particuar colonial situation by the decolonization committee from the u. n.
The u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., in the same way that it never applied the right to self determination for this cause, like it did for others colonial situations, and that's something that neather short nor all the rest of the legislative assemby from the islands want to accept.
All the resolutions from the u. n just have called the two pars of the conflict to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, no more.
After 1982, neather the u. k nor the legislative assembly accepted to discuss again about the sovereignty which is the main problem, before 1982, they had conversations with a criminal dictatorship like in 1980, when their so loved thatcher wanted to get rid of the islands, and now they dont want to discuss with a democratic government.
Unfortunatelly neather short, nor all the rest of the lawmakers realise that if the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., they will be able to remain under british government as much as they want. It's obvious that allthough the dialogue between the two nations is resumed in order to find a peaceful solution for this dispute, the islands won't never be only under argentine sovereignty, beyond what our constitution says about our claim, because thats' not what the u. n signalizes. Anyway it's not imposible to find a peaceful and fair solution for all the parts, but this is evident that it's not what short's side wants.
Beside, the argentine gov., should dilaogue with the islanders, because they are not guilty for what happened in 1833, they have right to be heard too.
@37
Jun 14th, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? oppression, intolerance, lack of remonstrance?
I am free to go wherever I want. I don't see gays or Bolivians being discriminated, and I can say whatever I want about the government.
But what would I know, you are 10k miles away so you must know more.
51 .. As is the argentine implanted population, go home to Europe rg colonials!,,,
Jun 14th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Redrabs
Jun 14th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are not talking about Brit’ semantic or grammar otherwise he used a scientific expression deriving from Taxis (arrangement , order, relation) and Nomia (Method, norm, rule, system) what together make the word “Taxonomy” so in plain, basic and simple English would means “the science of classification” (e.g. Species).
And in “English” the word is “Taxonomic” and not “taxonomical”, sounds like someone from French or Spanish language heritage trying to sound pompous in English. Ha ha
“Taxonomically” is correct to be used but not in the way he introduced the “structural-taxonomical” pompous statement.
“C’est comme une gaite qui nous fait sentir etrangement bien”
It sounds pretty good but WTF she wanted to say? Nothing just like the bad “structural-taxonomical” statement made above.
Now push your brains harder and try to white something that really makes me feel you are ostentatious or pedantic. Can you please?
@ Mr. Diarrhea Alert
I hope you don’t start your next post talking about “Andrónico de Rodas” and how he stamped the term Metaphysic (beyond the Physic or nature) while collecting unclassified manuscripts of Aristóteles.
Please surprise me, surprise me... with a tale from Diogenes the cynic.
I like the tale of the Temple (the “onanieren” stuff) you know. Ha ha
“Socrates was condemned to death by the city of Athens for his views”
You are not even the shadow of “Socrates” and none is going to condemn you for nothing.
Your words are doing already this.
Now do you have something really interesting to talk about or are you going to keep sounding pompous just for fun?
Are you interest in the old philosophy Greek’s schools or just picking up stuff from wiki?
I hope you don’t condemn me to poverty and exclusion like Diogenes family was in the ancient Greece.
Do you mate?
Sorry but I have to go back to work to do something really complex beyond your compression.
See you later,
@50 Oh Axel how many times do you need to be told - The UN charter automatically applies self-determination to EVERYBODY! There is no need for them to actually apply it as the right to self determination is already enshrined in the UN charter. Also, nobody is 'guilty' of anything that happened in 1833. A British warship arrived and defeated a band of mutinous pirates terrorising the handful of (non argentine) locals. The pirates were arrested, and the people were liberated. Four settlers who were family of the pirates chose to go back to the mainland with them. At no point did a government from Buenos Aires have any kind of authority or sovereignty over the islands. Britain had held legal sovereignty since 1765 and were simply re-establishing law and order in British territory which as already stated had been overrun by a band of legal tresspassers. They were only there for two months. This version of events is backed up by historical documents and accounts from that time. The version of events spouted by Malvinistas such as yourself, Marcos, Malvin, Filippo etc etc was dreamed up by the Peronist government in 1940 so he could try and claim the islands when he thought that Britain was going to lose World War Two.
Jun 14th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oops!
Jun 14th, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wrote “compression” instead of “comprehension “
I hope kebab eaters don’t start to through stones or shoes toward me for that.
You never know...
@ 29 Filippo
Jun 14th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0writes: “South Georgia and South Atlantic islands and Antarctica which was also part of Argentina by historical fact, Grace of God, Papal Bull 1496”
Take a look at a map and you'll find that according to the bull South Georgia and the South Atlantic islands should belong to Portugal.
According to the same Papal Bull Japan is also Portuguese, and Spain and Portugal each owns half of Australia.
Does that make sense?
Does that make sense to you?
Can you give something away, which you don't own?
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