MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Cameron will personally present Falklands message to Kirchner
By Graham Bound, London - Argentina's President Cristina Fernandez will get her wish on Monday or Tuesday, when she meets Prime Minister David Cameron in the fringes of the G20 meeting in Mexico to talk about the Falkland Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI'm willing to bet that CFK won't have the balls to face him.
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Jun 18th, 2012 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse +1she'll be busy elsewhere, well said i'd wait round the corner and catch her by surprise, “well turkey neck about the falklands”, “ eeerr speak to tinman”. She'll never speak out in front of the big guns because they can all see right through her
Jun 18th, 2012 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse +1@2 I'm loving the insightful and analytical comment you made there Port Stanley (I don't know where this Puerto Argentino is, but I think it's a name dreamed up by the Argentine commander after he illegally occupied the islands in 1982). I think this is great. I would LMAO if it turned into a shouting match in front of the entire G20, but that won't happen. I can see Cristina doing that but not Cameron. I think that Cristina will likely be put very much in her place and will perhaps be made to realise that her sabre-rattling rhetoric is getting her nowhere. I really hope Cameron does not offer her this 'small olive branch'. He should be utterly uncompromising and not give her any ammo of any kind - if he does she'll be claiming that Britain has finally decided to negotiate and that it's a great victory for the 'malvinas' cause. In any case, she's screwed.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse +1Long Live the Falklands.
Desire the Right.
Now this is the right way to go about this.....
Jun 18th, 2012 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse -1I cannot imagine what those kelpers were thinking of when they tried to pass that letter to CFK.
In international politics, States deal with States NOT with oversees territories.
I am sure CFK will gladly receive the letter from another Head of State such as Cameron
If Cameron does that, will be its worst diplomatic blunder. And if CFK makes a good read of the situation will accept whatever you want to give the English prime minister, because that is a branch of olive tree is implicitly accepting that they have unfinished business with Argentina over the Falklands. The bed and is lying just need to lie Cameron .. Jajajaja!
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse +1@ 6 no she will run away, maybe shout about how we are bullying her and then send in ...............................Timmerman, grow a pair dickhead
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 1 I agree I believe she is not going to face him. It is not convenient for her that the conflic be solved- in any way. She needs to keep distracting the population from all our domestic problems ( economy, corruption, insecurity...)
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse +1http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/argentina-claims-the-un-is-to-insist-on-falklands-negotiations/
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse +1Of course - so many of Argentina's claims are merely a distortion of the truth ;-)
Mr Cameron :their messages are inappropriate and should think more about their government , your people, unemployment, the great economic debt is worse than that of Greece, in the tremendous expense of maintaining 3000 soladiers in our Malvinas Islands .... only sending aggressive messages to Argntinos ! Cameron again their Comments are unintelligent and very aggressive!!
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse -1Nothing to do with negotiating... just passing on the letter she refused to accept last week.....
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0from the BA times....'Kirchnerites may swear they won’t change the electoral system, but they are liars,' UCR’s head says...
The head of the Radical Party (UCR), Mario Barletta, said his party will not support a government’s constitutional reform plan “not even if they [Kirchnerites] swear by all religions and saints of the world that they won’t modify the presidential electoral system to validate a second re-election.”
In that sense, Barletta said he has “no doubt that this government will try to attack the Republic, the institutions and the Constitution itself before 2013, after 2013, and always”, and concluded, “Not if they bring it written in stone, we do not believe them because they are all liars.”
@11 'Port Stanley' ...go fuck your hat....
@ 7 XAVIERV
Jun 18th, 2012 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If Cameron does that, will be its worst diplomatic blunder.”
Au contraire - it will be la Argentina implicitly accepting that she has unfinished business with the Falkland Islands' government.
Pirates, the violence is the only one card you are playing now.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse -1That is why you keep 3000 sodiers down there.
that is the way you want to handle things ..., Argentina wants to talk, you just want to use a nuclear submarine...
pirates ....
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Jun 18th, 2012 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Vix, let them be british , no problem on it.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse -1Argentina just need to get back the islands, if they want to stay there, no problem also, stay... but you put down your ilegal flag send back the british army to the other hemisphere where it belongs ( I bet all the soldiers are born in England, no one in the Malvinas )
Kelpers are there only because of the warpower, nothing else than that.
Feeling the pressure Mr Cameron?
Jun 18th, 2012 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse -1Get used to it.
Good analysis from MLA Short: ”as the Argentine economy slides ever deeper into crisis it may well cause the government in Argentina to become even more desperate to divert attention away from what looks like being a looming disaster”.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse +1PM Cameron welcome to present - or extend - a Falkland Islands message to CFK, and whether she sees it as threatening to her tactics of obfuscation and subterfuge is up to her.
Why would we bother talking to Argentina?
Jun 18th, 2012 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse +1A. You lie about everything.
B. You're too poor and weak to do anything other than lie about everything.
:)
19 Britninja Did Argentina lie about WMD in Irak?
Jun 18th, 2012 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse -1marcos!!! Same old drivel from you then!!
Jun 18th, 2012 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse +1I really dont know why you bother!
@16: The British army consists of troops from all over the United Kingdom, the commonwealth, and also troops from many non-commonwealth alligned countries (there are a good few thousand in the Army originating from the Irish Republic, for example) so, in conclusion, you never know who might be shooting at you, Marcos.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse +1Marcos - if you call that pressure then you have very low standards or dellusions of granduren
Jun 18th, 2012 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse +1(I of course meant my comment 22 to be pointed at hipolyte and not Marcos).
Jun 18th, 2012 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse +1@16 hipolyte
Jun 18th, 2012 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse +1There are a number of glaring errors in your post.
The Falkland Islands have never been stolen by the British. Three times in history someone has tried to steal them from Britain.
In 1771 Spain and Britain nearly went to war over them but agreed diplomatically to share them. Two “adult” countries behaving like adults.
In 1832 Argentine sent a penal colony under Esteban Mestevier to try and steal sovereignty. The poor chap was murdered by his own crew and his wife raped in front of her children. This penal colony was removed 3 months later and British sovereignty re-established. One adult country (UK), one bunch of murdering rapists (Argentina).
In 1833 when Britain re-established sovereignty, there was a small independent business present on then Islands, set up by Luis Vernet. This community was there with the permission of London and was encouraged to stay (and did). Subsequent Argentine claims that it was an “indigenous Argentine community, removed by the British” are lies.
The third time the islands were “stolen” was in 1982. This was another embarrassing defeat for Argentina, militarily in 1982 when a heavily outnumbered British force regained the islands, but especially today. To see Kirchner blame a “military junta” and take no responsibility for her countries history is gob-smacking.
So there you have it, three sovereignty disputes. The UK and Spain are able to solve theirs like adults. Argentine behave like murders, rapists, pirates and liars.
The Falkland Islanders are defended by the British because of Argentinas history of murder, rape and theft. And they will be for as long as they want to be.
DESIRE THE RIGHT.
@17 What pressure, nothing has changed, nothing will change, I must have missed something.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse +1@17
Jun 18th, 2012 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse +1Marcos seriously, do you think that this is pressure, I think you need to place more emphasis on the author if this article, 'be careful what you wish for'. Do you seriously think in diplomacy terms at the UN your country has any clout? Standby for a permanent member to cause you grief . The problem you have is that even if you were to succeed in your bogus claim, that would cause chaos around the world with all sorts of people claiming everything that's on their doorstep. It ain't gonna happen!
It would be just spiffing if CFK, having maintained at the C24 that Argentina only wishes to talk, then refused to talk to Cameron.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 028: that's exactly the plan. Keep offering talks and watch her refuse so that the UK and FIG can say “well, we offered and she said no...”. She really has put herself in a corner on this one.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can bet that they'l talk at the (G 20)Mexico meeting,about -- chocolate sparsity --at islands where islanders often complain on.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@29 Alternatively, she might choose to turn up with 96 accompanying yes-men.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@31: Unlike the C24, Cameron isn't someone who thinks “ooh, look at the size of her entourage, she MUST be truthful and reliable”. See the tv series “Hitler's henchmen” for further notes on a similar subject.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@32 Even Snow White managed with just seven, and she was a girl.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope Cameron will present her with Pepper and Pascoe which outlines the way Argentina decieved the UN in the early 1960s and makes 2065 null and void.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse +1If the UN had not had not recieved misleading information from Argentina in the 1960s, 2065 would not have happened, but uinfortunately Britain was not aware of its own supporting history. Our bad at the time.
Argentina ratcheting up the situation has had a very welcome benefit.
Whereas before, HMG, the British Press and the UK in general, even I suspect some of the Falklanders did not have a clue about the history of the Falklands and chose to ignore it, what has been revealed through examining carefully (not just cherry picking bits off them) past treaties, ship manifests, Darwins accounts, diaries etc has actually shown that the Argentines case has more holes in it than in its seabed museum of aircraft splashed by the task force in 1982.
I was actually told by an MLA, we prefer not to discuss 1833 as it looks dodgy, but if the said MLA had actually extracted a digit from his backside, done his job which the posters on this forum have done better than him (and not been paid for it), and examined it thoroughly it is quite clear to any idiot that the events in 1833 and prior to are not detrimental to the Falkland Islanders case at all, in fact they are a gift and key factor in exposing the Argentines innacurate portrayal of history.
Good one, I'm loving the Malvo blogs, look at them run...ha ha ha. Come on Cameron, give it to her, good and hard right up the ****
Jun 18th, 2012 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse +1There should be NO compromise on conservation of fish stocks and oil exploration. Its all British!
Jun 18th, 2012 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I had hoped to see the headline.......“Cameron will personally present Falklands message to Kirchner and will be wearing a great big strap-on ” !!..... :-)))
Jun 18th, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0This whole arg-debacle combined with the lack of trust building on the side of the Argentinians outlines the need for a significant defensive strategy on the side of the Falklanders. Argentinians simply cannot be trusted, in neither words nor behaviour and any manifestation of belligerence should be met with a significant response.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sod the Brazillians with their 'they're militarising 'OUR' latin america' ... Falklanders are not latin, and have no intention of being, so keep your untrustworthy corrupt little mittens of 'OUR' anglo-french america.
'You as a nation are pathologically incapable of building trust'. Easy message to give to the Argies there.
We sound! the fat man declared war on us! It's like saying, “I know that conflict is between two parties, Britain and Argentina confirms that all UN resolutions, but I'll put a gun to their head and force you to talk to the kelpers” with whom do? With the governor who is an envoy in London .....?!
Jun 18th, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse -1It amazes me that people (especiallyArgentines) actually believe that CFK wants to get control of the Islands. The Falklands (Malvinas) islands issue has been used as a rallying cry for patrotic fervour and a distraction by the Argentine government ever since Peron removed the British business in the 1930s/1940s from Argetnine. It is the best tactic that this current corrupt government have in order to distract their own people and tax payers (of which I am one) from seeing their continued removal of their rights.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse +1I give for example the way the government tries to control the press here placing huge pressure on them to conform to the line of the current government (this has been reported on extensivily by the BsAs hearld, clarin and the rest of the free press in Argentina), the block on the purchase of dollers there by denying Argentines and residents the right to choose how and where they hold their savings, (we are made to support a faulty econonic model we do not belive in), growing crime and corruption (we have even seen the vice president being investigated for taking backhanders for awarding government contracts).
CFK has no intrest in solving this issue and is intrested in only using it as a distraction to the country and in paticuler the poorer classes (and therefore Argentine masses) from the fact that she is going to have to cut social spending very soon or risk depening the recesion Argentine is in. Yes Argentine is is recesion (2 consecutive periods of negative growth) as we have been hearing from independent econimists within the country. The problem is the high inflation that will lead to either hyperinflation (if she chooses to carry out quantative easing) or more likely stagflation for an economy unable to move. The houseing market is already gone.
I implore Argentines to see her tricks and take back your country. Neogociation on the islands will have to wait untill the 1982 war is out of living memory and the bullying from Argentina stops.
39: no, CFK claims the islands are administered by the UK and so David Cameron is presenting her with the relevant documents referring to the island's current issues. He's doing what she wants. The Governor that you refer to has no power to discuss with CFK about sovereignty so I don't know why you mentioned him at all. All issues have to go through the FIG. They administer themselves.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is Argentina wants negocians on sovernity and it wants them to happen immediatly and for a consensus to be reached quickly in time for the next election.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is this is not how diplomacy works. Any discussions on the handover or sharing of soverinity (as she stated in her speach to the C24, i.e. secret paper from Perons time) must come from a position of trust between the population, the British government and the Argentine government and this does NOT exist at the current time.
The only way we can advance in the issue is to discuss and agree on other mutual issues (i.e. oil exploration, fisheries etc) as Cameron is suggesting in order to lay a foundation of trust that can then be advanced in the future. Their was real progress made with Menem and Blair in the 1990s and had it not been for Nestor Kirchiner unilaterlay discrading the agreements when he came to power, that foundation of trust would possibly of existed.
I could see one day a shared soveringity in the islands and closer ties between the two nations however it will need to be outside of living memory of the war (so that patriotic fervour on both sides has subsided) and following years and years on argeements which lay a foundation of trust. I am however, sceptical that the Peronists want this and are intrested in a quick populrist policies which increases the voter base.
I ask CFK to take this oppurtuntity to enter into non soveringity negociations so that we can build the foundation for the future of possible soveringity talks. Like she says give peace a chance. Just be aware that after the Argentines actions in 1982 and the bullying since this will take a long time and a change in policy to convince the islanders that you have their intrests at heart so that they can see they have nothing to fear from you and that you will preserve their current rights and freedoms. This could even be similar to Hong Kong where there is the one country different system policy in place.
@6 Proper States are interested in peace. Because in peace there is trade. And so, when the time is right, they will talk to anyone. Things that “think” they are States stand on their “dignity”. I'll bet argieland wishes it had some dignity, and some credibility.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11 There will be NO negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. Britain may “offer” the possibility of co-operation with argieland. If argieland negotiates the details with the FIG and if Britain agrees.
@14 Bear it in mind. Talk, on our terms, or else.
@16 Argieland will not be getting the Islands. Nor will it be raising its flag. EVER. Get used to it.
@17 Nope, no pressure. Just timing. After all, this is likely to be the last G20 meeting CFK will attend. The Americans are already pointing out that argieland needs to exit as soon as it no longer meets the criteria.
@20 Did argieland say anything? No-one was listening!
The fact is that Cameron is on quite safe ground. Let's assume she does dare to talk to him. The first words might be:
Cameron: The FIG are prepared to hold discussions in respect of fishing co-operation and oil exploration.
CFK: We want to talk about sovereignty. And we will only talk to Britain.
Cameron: No. Was there anything else?
CFK: Alright, we will talk to FIG about fishing and oil. And sovereignty.
Cameron: Watch my lips. You get to talk to FIG about what FIG is prepared to talk to you about. Sovereignty isn't one of those things. And you will have to go to the Falklands.
CFK: I will send a team. Headed by my foreign minister.
Cameron: Watch my lips again. YOU will go to the Falklands. You may nominate the members of your team. FIG will determine who is and who isn't acceptable.
CFK: I will NOT go to the Falklands!
Cameron: Who are you going to talk to then? By the way, this conversation is being video-recorded. Now, can we get on to talking about the number of times your country has deliberately LIED to the United Nations on this issue?
sick of getting called PIRATES. How Bloody rude! 1st of all for the Argentines that believe the Falklands are there...... REALLY?? After 182 years you still believe this after all the facts, history and documents you still dispute soverignity. Im as passionate about the falklands as i am abou bein a scouser i never want to hand the islands over to a country like Argentina, this supposedly transplanted population, is 8000 miles away, cut off from the world, has argentina continuosly making their life hell, and Argentina Still play the Victims Oh cmon and give ya head a wobble. no wonder they want to remain british... if i was them id choose anything but Argentina. Youve gone about it thee wrong way you should be trying to win them over on your side if you want that land. Do u think spain should ask argentina for the land back? what would argentina say? Oh well thats how we say we got the malvinas so we will have to let spain have argentina? I dont see how Argentinas decisions/actions are made really. Dont want to sound xenophobic but maybe Argentina is what people say.... that your just poor and poor liars. your president looks like a pre op transgender, erm and isnt your inflation like 12% for the year? hmm seems to be that your president (the one with the lips like pete burns) needs to start working for her people/ the argentines and stop worrying about 3000 people trying to make a living. Grow up Argentina your being laughed at by the whole world.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse +1I'd love to be a fly-on-the-wall at his encounter. Maybe it will be televised.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0DC had better watch his presentation as I can imagine Christina-Latina will perform worst than at the C24 and DC will have confort her with neck massage.
Each and every time Britain and the islanders hold out an olive branch it is snubbed. Why do we bother? Perhaps it is because we see them as misguided and brainwashed and so they can't help it.
Argentina get on with prospering and doing well in the world and leave your misguided dreams behind.
Argentine government, forget the falklands, you are using it as a whipping boy... when it all goes wrong (as it is now) we'll blame the falklands.
I guess CaMoron is going to have his war.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just wonder from where he is going to borrow a Carrier, planes and TM.
Any Idea?
@46: we have an equipment sharing agreement with the French, if we need one, we can borrow the Charles De Gaulle. We have two helicopter carriers and plenty of submarines and destroyers as well so don't worry, we'll be there ;)
Jun 18th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dany Boy
Jun 18th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is there going to be a war?
@Boovis
Jun 18th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah! sure mate.
I hope CaMoron will not lose something in the precess he is very distracted on these days tension perhaps? Another war? Who knows?
PM left daughter aged 8 down pub
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4365514/David-Cameron-left-his-daughter-aged-8-down-pub-after-lunch.html
@Leiard
“Why is there going to be a war?”
Because Camoron is and idiot and in despair.
Dany Boy
Jun 18th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is going to start this war?
@50: don't you remember? Ambassador Castro implied we'd have a war on our hands if we didn't start “negotiating”.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She will be well advised then by Dany boy with his great military training and knowledge of modern warfare !
@46
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A carrier isn't needed today for the same reasons that Spitfires weren't needed in 1982.
Seems Dany wants a war.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm guessing he wants the UK to start it.
@50 Arg. They always start wars.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Apparently
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK will not attend, as she has no wish to be embarrassed, and proved a liar,
She has thus instructed her loyal bloggers to defend her honour, on her behalf,
To confuse and tell any excuse for her absents .
,,,,,,,,,,,
Just a rumour
[But we see her bloggers have already started to defend her]
So there must be a grain of truth in her forthcoming absents .
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6 Helber Galarga--- She would have been better of receiving it from the Falkland islanders. Cameron will just wait until he goes to the toilet and then pass it to the toilet cleaner who he thinks Christina is. when he has finished mopping the toilet floor with her she will wish she had stayed as a toilet cleaner. what a frigging Muppet she is
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@57 He might just roll it into a ball and then press it into her mouth, before slapping her jaw shut.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +1He should get his finger out of his backside, and stick it up her nose,
Jun 18th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And then lets see if the grass is sweeter on the other side .
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Seems CFK is there today after all.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.prensa.argentina.ar/2012/06/18/31617-la-presidenta-participa-en-la-cumbre-del-g-20-en-mexico.php
58 GreekYoghurt--- And then flushing her head down the toilet
Jun 18th, 2012 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought that the miss-interpretation of the UN leader's comments was most amusing... I wonder if MBW's people have been taking spin lessons from ex-Blair officials?
Jun 18th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“That is why you keep 3000 sodiers down there.”
I thought we kept soldiers down there to prevent another invasion by another crackpot argentine government?
You do seem to grow one of those every few years, although i also note how easily you change your constitution to suit the incumbent, re-election after re-election - oh? the constitution says I cant? Never mind, i'll just change it.
crazy, crazy people
@62: what's also interesting is how the Argies think we have varying populations, it seems to be either:
Jun 18th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 03000 in total (1200 troops and 1800 civilians)
3000 troops
3000 civilians and 1200 troops... but the troops are forcing the civilians to stay British.
aaaand so on.
49 DanyBerger
Jun 18th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Because Camoron is and idiot and in despair” LOL. You know what mate? You are half right.
Came-moron is an idiot, a kn*bend of the highest order, a loony conservative who is doing his level best to finish the job that Gordon “I haven't got a funny nickname” Brown started, and that is to run this country into the ground.
But get this ( and this is the weird part ) on the Falklands Issue, he's dead right. So my question to you would be, given that Came-moron is such a kn*bhead and even, being a kn*bhead, he can see that he's right, what is KFC's excuse?
I know, I know!! she must be a bigger waste of oxygen than Came-moron.
You see, he isn't in dispair, all this noise and the threat's coming from Argentina isn't making him desparate or forcing him into a downwards spiral of depression, it's just like someone trying to beat you death with a feather pillow, you know? it doesn't actually hurt and there is no danger whatsoever, but it does get annoying after a while..... He just wants KFC to shove it up her a*se and f**k off while she's doing it.
@Hypolite , Dany Berger, Think etc
Jun 18th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +1How many British military personnel and hardware were there in the Islands in 1982 April 2?
What happened on April 2 1982?
In the entire South Atlantic how many British military personnel and how much hardware is there? What is the ratio of military personnel and hardware per km2?
What proportion does this represent of the total British forces and the spending on forces?
Which country is almost 15 times larger than the UK and with a smaller population?
Are you pathetic trolls/angry/indoctrinated people who don't have the courage to seek the truth and appreciate what you already have in your massive resource rich beautiful country?
@34 Pete Bog
I would say that 1833 is now irrelevant. I trust the english version of events more than the Argentine especially after what I've seen of recent Argentine political behaviour. But it was a long time ago and there is no way of verifying the facts of what happened in 1833 to the point where the immoral, inept politicians of the Argentine political system would accept them. We've seen how untrustworthy and pathetic they are.
I believe what should be focused on 100% is the fact that there is a very well established, resilient, well managed and prospering society small as it may be that have the right to choose their governance and live in peace. In a similar vein if Santa Cruz resoundingly wanted to be independent of BA or Cornwall of the UK then why not?
The right to self determination of a people cannot be trumped which ever way its looked at.
All CFK is huff and puff - but she can't blow this house down- its' made of bricks......
Jun 18th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dannyberger has delusions of victorous argentine soldiers goose stepping through BA after ethinically cleansing the islands with him at their head - while the crowds raise their right hands and shout “heil Danny”.
He does'nt seem to realise that the only way a war would start in the south atlantic is if argentina fires the first shots- which they are'nt likely to do. He also does'nt seem to realise war won't be as much fun as he thinks.
66 shb--- Very true the only shots fired in anger from the British side will be like the last time in 82 when a bunch of thieving toe rags came a thieving and started a nasty little conflict that taught them that when you piss of the big boys in this world then you had better be prepared to take beating. You can tell Dannyberger has never been on the receiving end of a Para bayonet with his comments on war and neither have the rest of the Argy bloggers or they would keep their sticky fingers off the keyboard
Jun 18th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DC: I see you have been making a noise about the Falklands
Jun 18th, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1CK: Give me Las Malvinas
DC: They are not mine to give, the Islands belong to the Islanders
CK: Give me Las Malvinas
DC: Cristina, you need to talk to the FIG, they have the right to self-determination.
CK: They are pirates who stole our land in 1833. We planted a turnip and everything.
DC: it wasn't your land in 1833. We gave Vernet permission to be there, and his community stayed after the HMS Clio arrived.
CK: Give me Las Malvinas, the birds from Argentina migrate there.
DC: Twice you have tried to steal our islands, the first in 1832 where we had to evict Pinedo and his bunch of murderous rapists, and the second in 1833 where we evicted Galteiri's band...at the cost of 255 British lives.
CK: Give me Las Malvinas, it is connected to the mainland under the sea.
DC: Crisitina, you are arguments are a joke. You are embarrassing yourself with these pathetic rants. We are NEVER going to negotiate sovereignty with you. NEVER. No Mercorsur, No C24, No OAS...NEVER EVER. GET IT?
CK: Give me Las Malvinas.
DC: No.
Dunni-Burger as I have tagged him is nothing other than a vacuous, failed computer technician, who cannot get / hold a decent job (oxymoron I suppose) in Argentina and cannot go back to Germany (where his family came from).
Jun 18th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think we can all see for ourselves the result: a brooding. ineffective life, full of failure and blaming it on the Brits.
If ever an armed conflict arises I just hope this failure does the correct thing for once and join the armed forces and become a part of what he wants.
Not holding my breath on that one!
@69 - ChrisR.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If a conflict ever does arrive, our hero Dany is willing to send wave after wave of cannon fodder at us, whilst he pushes some toy soldiers and boats around on a map, deep in his bunker under BA. He'll probably even add his own sound affects.
He has stated in the past that he's willing to sacrifice at least 10,000 Argentinians. The 'little' ordinary people of course, he's far too important to risk his own life. ;0)
Don't worry people. Considering that Cristina vowed to colonise the Falklands for Argentina in her election campaign, the fact that she won't have managed it by the next election will mean that she will surely get voted out and someone more reasonable will come in. Then again, I don't think she can get re-elected unless she cheats - she's on her second term isn't she? Better hurry up Cristina... To be honest I can see her taking drastic action shortly before the election and sending in Argentina's mighty navy to recapture the islands (four small 'destroyers' and a converted cargo vessel to carry troops)
Jun 18th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If a conflict ever does arrive
Jun 18th, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0these indocrinated bloggers, will quietly disapear into the woodwork,
I love listening to all the brave Argentine warriors on this site, I'm sure the soldiers at Mount Pleasant are shaking in their boots! It would almost be worth seeing them send another invasion force over just to watch them running back. CFK should be ready to put on a show at the “wannabe G8”, it should be more entertaining than the Euro 2012.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To all the supporters of the proposed Argentina colonisation of the Falklands. I accept that your claim to the “Malvinas” has a grain of historical and legal merit, albeit trivial. Face facts - the real reason for the claim is solely based on its proximity to Patagonia. However, most of Patagonia was not incorporated into Argentina until around 1900, after the Indian genocide and almost 70 years after the British settlement. For that matter, the first Europeans to have the cojones to settle in the then Indian territory of Patagonia were Welsh not Latinos.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But my question - which I have asked several times before with NO REPLY - is this - on what historical/legal basis is the belated Argentina claim to South Georgia based..? You cannot claim that it was Spanish territory since under the Treaty of Tordessilas it was alloted to Portugal. The truth of the matter is that it is purely based on proximity just like your childish claim to the Falklands and thus it has no legal bearing whatsoever.
74 ernest shackleton (#)
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 18th, 2012 - 10:28 pm
It is actually based on the fact that South Georgias et al are all Dependencies of the British Falkland Islands, so when Perón and his mates claimed the Falklands they also threw in the Dependencies, quire simple really.
A prime minister that lost his daughter in a little pub does not have the capacity to manage this issue.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0neither does a liar.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina doesn´t need a war as much as The Uk does.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Isolation of the Falklands from the the main land is hurting bad and causing economic turmoil in the Falklands. Money talks. No need for war.
@75 Simon68
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +1OK, so let's get this right....
Argentina decides that South Georgia should be added to their claim as it is administered that way by the British as part of the Falklands territories?
If so, that's de facto recognition of UK administration (equates to sovereignty) and IMO Argentina is a chancer of the first order
@78
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your evidence for this comes from where?
76 hahahahaha!! How could he have forgotten his daughter in the pub.
Jun 18th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Silly pr****
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Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 078 www.pandyablog.dailymail.com.uk/2012/03/argentine-embargo-threatens-to-starve-falkland-islanders-cameron-must-act-now
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 082 ha ha ha ha! i dont know!....mmmmm now i understand why all the pictures in Mercopress show only the upper part of his body.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Argentina decides that South Georgia should be added to their claim as it is administered that way by the British as part of the Falklands territories?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse +1If so, that's de facto recognition of UK administration (equates to sovereignty) and IMO Argentina is a chancer of the first order”
Thanks Steveu (No 79) you nailed it..!
@Simon 68 - I believe Argentina's “claim” to S.Georgia, etc, only dates from circa 1940. Since SG has always been administered from the Falklands, why did it take them so long to put in their claim to the dependencies? A chancer indeed..!
Hello Cristina I'm CaMoron the postman from Malvinas and do have a letter.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse -1Dannyfanny@46
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse +1Never mind carriers etc, the troops already based on the islands and those that the UK can quickly put on the islands are many times superior to the Argie soldiers and the current garrison with all its air defence capability plus the submarine and destroyer patrols with its missile and hunter killer capability can stave off anything thrown at it by Argentina, why do you think that CFK keeps moaning on about how militarised the islands are? Its because she knows that Argentina stands no chance with a 'military' option as things are now and she wants this reduced so that she can include this option. We all know that except you Danny Fanny.
She ran away immediately after the photocall - bit like the DimTimm when the Islander tried to pass him the letter!
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's democracy is barely the timespan of a decent length mortgage in the Western world. It is not far enough away from the actions of the military junta and therefore still demonstrates what appears to be its innate resorting to aggression and force. Argentina's people did too little to oppose the military when they were in power and what was done by the military was done in their name whether or not they accept this. Argentina's behaviour is infantile in the World of democracy like a child throwing its toys out of the pram when it does not get what it wants. Mature democracies will not give in to this blackmail.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Against this, the United Kingdom is a long-standing, never-conquered democracy, a powerful member of the United Nations, a permanent member of the security council, an EU member, a NATO member, a Commonwealth member and a respected member of the international community.
Despite many attacks on the UK by terrorists et al over the years, including the attempted assassination of the Prime Minister, the UK did not give in to terrorists and those using force to achieve their aims. We never give in and we never give up.
The Falkland Islands is an overseas territory of the UK, and this will remain so. Perhaps it is time to incorporate the Falklands into the United Kingdom itself (as an autonomous entity), and remove any doubt that Argentina may have as to our position, or that of our British Citizens in residence there.
One begins to experience serious fatigue listening to the 'macho-moaning' emanating from Queen Christina and Lapdog Timerman. It is only a matter of time before they fade into irrelevance with this broken record.
The wise thing to do (explains why they haven't done it!), would have been to woo the islanders ... but that would have required patience, something Argentina is short of, along with food, jobs, diplomacy, as well as foresight and hindsight.
Argentina is an aggressor. It knows no other way, and cannot demonstrate otherwise.
I hope Cristina wipes the floor with him and gives him hell not just over South Atlantic militarisation and oil grabbing, but also his anti-poor austerity policies at home. Theres so much he could learn from her as a teacher but she'll have to be very strict =)
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -1#78 “Argentina doesn´t need a war as much as The Uk does.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Isolation of the Falklands from the the main land is hurting bad and causing economic turmoil in the Falklands. Money talks. No need for war.”
Are you serious, the Falkland Islands has one of the best GDP's in the world (7th I think). Not being able to get produce over from South America is annoying but we can do without. I'm sure it won't be long before we set up a shipping link with South Africa if Argentina keeps up it's temper tantrum blockades.
I don't know about Argentina not “needing” a war but even if they did they don't have the means to start one. The Typhoons, SAM sites and the type 45 could probably hold off an Argentine invasion without needing a taskforce sent down this time, not to mention the hunter killer sub that that the Argentines claim is in the area.
86 DanyBerger------ Hello Falkland Island community I am DannyBerger speaking to you from a bunker deep in Argentina somewhere is it safe to come out now that those nasty boys from the UK have once again mashed up my Argentine soldiers, airmen, and sailors , only I don't want to come out if its not safe???????
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello DannyBurger this is the free Falkland islands radio station calling, yes its safe now to come out, its all over once again 2-0 to the Falkland islanders and their friends from the UK.
Its now once more safe to come out and to continue with the drivel that you usually post. Hows Christina doing with her new job as chief toilet cleaner at the municipal bogs by the way, I hear its right up her street what with all the Shite she has been coming out with recently. It must have been such a nice feeling for her when big David pushed her botoxed face down the toilet at that meeting before it all kicked off that she thought to herself what the fuck am I doing trying to run a country I am much more at home cleaning shit from around the rim of toilets. Anyway got to go now we are having one hell of a knees up down the Globe Tavern.
90 British_Kirchnerist (#)
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BK, I'm going to suggest a scenario for you to think about:
David Cameron is elected PM ad eternum in the UK. Just cogitate on that situation for a while.
Well BK, that is exactly the feeling we in Argentina have about Kretina, do you get it?
#93 You're analogy falls down as Cameron IS up for indefinite re-election and I DON'T MIND. I think he'll lose or retire sooner than “eternity” or “life” of course especially given the deep unpopularity of his cuts, but if the people wanted to keep electing him and he was happy to stand, then why not? Its democracy...
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -1@86 DanyBerger
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Wrong way round, it was the hapless bint from Argentina trying to give PM Cameron a letter.
Which, diplomatically speaking of course, he told her where to put it.
Perhaps she could have an exchange of letters with the FIG, at least it in Argentina it would look like she was getting somewhere.
Let’s face it the likes of Malv would believe anything is a great leap forward.
Seems Cameron and KFC have had their meeting.... she refused his paperwork... he refused hers..
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So I guess thats it then... status quo rules...OK
@96 nowt more to say, trot on turkey neck see you in a year or so, by the way she must be humming by now she's had that same rig on since C24, I bet BK has fantases about that though, tissue anyone.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope Cristina wipes the floor with him and gives him hell
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Just like your imaginary leader, you to live in cuckoo land,
She was in fact, humiliated,
But of course you wont see it they way,
To you, she used the mop and that’s it, [isn’t it] lol.
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“Mrs Kirchner is understood to have responded with “some ramblings” about Spanish headlines, the United Nations and the Malvinas. Her interpreter could not keep up with her so Mr Cameron was unclear about what exactly she was saying. ”
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9342973/Respect-the-Falklanders-David-Cameron-tells-Cristina-Kirchner-in-row.html
That bit of paper she is showing him is a list of migratory bird species.....
Just seen Tinman on BBC news, like a rabbit in headlights, refused to answer questions in English, she likes to drop him in it doesn't she?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@90 wipe the floor with him she couldn't wipe her own arse..............oh that's right she's got you for that!!!!
Standby theasaurus people BK tissue man will respond
you can bet on that lol.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 094 BK
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One great difference, cameron earned his position by being elected, next election he can be voted out. CFK like her fellow Peronist c@#t Evita earned her position on her back. The whore should have learned her place when Nestor died.
@Zhivago
Jun 20th, 2012 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse -1“I love listening to all the brave Argentine warriors on this site, I'm sure the soldiers at Mount Pleasant are shaking in their boots”
Nope I guess they are thinking about what the hell are they doing there risking their life to defend some ship over a rock and how bad they are paid for the risky job.
@BritishLion & Britishbulldog
What you gonna do “Bro” ?
You want to get down “Bro”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm1TdXpDGbE
@Frank
Ha ha you forgot to mention that the Postman CaMoron went with one letter he couldn’t deliver but got 40 from UN.
Why he ran away angry? Like impotent and Powerless?
I told you guys that CaMoron is a stupid guy and he is going to have his war and lose.
Talk talk talk,
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and insult the brist,
Why
Because they cant have what they have never owned
Envy and jealousy,
Time and time again.
Losers first
Losers last
103 DanyBerger
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina has all the support of the world why don't you just walk in and take the Islands back again? If you succeed and you hold them, then they are yours. But if you are once again evicted by an inferior military force, show some dignity and some balls and accept it. Oh, and this time make sure you issue your warriors dog tags.
105 Zhivago
Jun 20th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor choice of words “once again evicted by an inferior military force” is clearly wrong because we kicked the bastards off the islands.
I think the phrase you may have been looking for was 'evicted by an out-numbered, superior, military force'. :o)
they seem to get of on being humiliated.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0???very odd people ??
106 ChrisR
Jun 20th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, bad choice, I used inferior to denote numbers only, now that I read it back I can see my mistake,
sorry!!!
[sorry] has anyone notice the picture,
Jun 20th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0does part of it look like a hound / dog,
or am i dreaming
#103 Thats a complete lie, Cristina has been an activist since Cameron was in short trousers
Jun 21st, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -1@Dr. Zhivago
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse -1Because Machiavello I says that you have to build concensus and become the victim before strike.
For example saying that UK is deploying Nuclear weapons is a good one, saying that UK is militarising the SA is another good one.
After you have built the consensus that you have not other option that defend your self from such evil power.
You have the opportunity to strike the evil power and if you won who is going to blame you?
Come on Dr. Zhivago I thought you were mot astute than that.
103 DanyBerger (#) @BritishLion & Britishbulldog
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse +1What you gonna do “Bro” ?
You want to get down “Bro”?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm1TdXpDGbE
Danny Fanny you do make me laugh, fair play, you have a sense of humour even if you are a complete idiot.
The trouble here is that all the 'cyber warriors' know nothing about real combat and real pain and real death and real grieving, they play on their computers fireing words and playing COD. Do not 'wish' too much, as you just might get what you wish for, a bayonet in your throat tends to bring reality crashing down with a massive thump. The boys and girls from the British contingent protecting the Falkland Islands are there as volunteers, they are also expierienced combatants and know how to deal with a bunch of fanatical flag wavers who are brainwashed with lies.
“Thats a complete lie, Cristina has been an activist since Cameron was in short trousers”
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse +1Ah that explains it, senility has snuck in.
11Dany Berger
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Moribund the Burgermeister! A precedent has been set, if you believe there are weapons of mass-destruction there then by all means, go in and get them!
#113 No she just started young, she's still got a long time to go, god willing =)
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -1@Zhivago
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Takes time Dr.Z think about Iraq.
You have to build the coalition “liberty & Freedom” to liberate oppressed Islanders from UK and that takes time.
But sure will be before 2020 so still no carrier.
By the way Dr. Z are you going to be in the front line in FI repealing Arg. forces with the same impetus you have here on this forum or am I assuming wrong?
116 homeburger
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I assume you meant “repelling”. Surely you realize the blitzkrieg option is no longer available, your forces will barely make it out of port. I hope you realize this time that exclusion zones are merely a suggestion, poke your nose out and it will be dealt with!
@116 - Poor deluded Dany.
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse +1You are going to build a coalition are you? Of whom, exactly? Lets see, your friends currently stand at:
1. Angola - pathetic
2. Syria - middle of a civil war
3. Iran - any move towards the America's and the USA when whack them.
4. Ecaduor - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
5. Venezula - I repeat HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
6. China - won't get involved (too many trade deals with the UK)
7. Russia - won't get involved (wouldn't want to make a fool of itself)
8. Chile - won't get involved (why should the die for Argentina?)
9. Brazil - won't get involved (as above)
so that leaves Argentina with who precisely?
Besides, the UK can always invoke article 5 of the NATO charter, and then you'd be facing the whole of NATO, wouldn't you? Not that we need it as your military is so underfunded that it couldn't invade a girl guide camp, let alone take on the British.
Dany, feel free to invade, I guarantee that you'll be all alone, and I don't mean Argentina, I mean you personally.
DanyBerger = pathetic wanna be, who thinks war is just like his video games.
103 DanyBerger******* Mr Burger that seems a funny name I must say? did your mother and father give you that name if they did it seems they have quite a sense of humor either that or they thought that they would have a little bit of fun at your expense.
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse +1Anyway back to businesses, I don't know how many times I have to say it but we British will not be the ones starting any little war down in the South Atlantic, we did not start one in 1982 when my predecessor Mrs Thatcher had to send down quite a number of military personal to fight and get the Falklands back from what we saw and still see as a bunch of thieves and Del boys.
Now I have to give fair warning while we will not be the ones who will start any trouble down there I have to say that we have a contingency plan that will come into force if Argentina chances its arm at invading once again.
We will invoke article 5 of the NATO charter and we will once more send down military personal to once more try and teach Argentina basic manners. However I also know that this will not happen as Argentina for all its faults just does not have the capability to even launch a fishing boat as most likely they will be out on strike when Argentina asks them to put to sea.
Now back the the first paragraph at the top of the comment that I have made. Mr Burger I do wish you would change your name to a more sensible name, the name DanyBurger seems to me something like a burger chain name such a silly name so do take this opportunity to change it to a far more sensible name.
Dave.
@Dove KaMoron
Jun 24th, 2012 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse -1Profile: Full of contradiction mate
Overview
“He describes himself as a “modern compassionate conservative” ???
Cuack! How is that?
Conservatives are the more bunch of all fashion and retrograded people in the world after necons of course.
Economy
““KaMoron says is essential to reduce taxes on employment and wealth creation in order to enhance our economy's competitiveness”??? Do you see any enhancement in UKStunt?
Environment
”passionate about our environment.“ Destroying everything in Libya contributes to the environment?
Crime
“He has also proposed a big prison-building program and introducing mandatory custodial sentences for all convicted of carrying a knife. His proposal to abolish the 1998 Human Rights Act would enable some of his measures.” Very modern passionate conservative ha! Repeating the same thing since the stone age.
Gay Rights & Immigration
“During the Labour government's repeal of the Section 28 legislation in 2000, ”
Also homophobic eh!
May be a little bit “racist too” ?
Alcohol and other Drugs
“Cameron has been accused of drug-taking as a youth”
A ha eh! also hypocrite you like to get high but send other to prision.
Iraq other wars on terror: This is really nice
“he voted in favour of the Iraq War, confirming this stance during an interview on the British TV show Friday Night with Jonathan Ross. In defence of the Iraq situation, he stated, ”You've got to do what you think is right even if it's unpopular”
So mister DopeKaMoron you are a joke, did I tell you that before?
You are free to invoke any NATO article, anyway who is going to get his @ss burned to partner with you?
Don’t worry about my name I’m ready to change it to Mr. MohammedBurgerKing® to set-up a take away in Britain to enjoy your successful wealthy creation campaign.
Any advise on it?
Sure, keep pretending your country's problems is the FI, not the huge unemployment and social unrest problems. That sure seems to be working with the 'clever' British bloggers posting on here.
Jun 24th, 2012 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0120 Moribund the Burgermeister
Jun 24th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“You are free to invoke any NATO article, anyway who is going to get his @ss burned to partner with you?”
NATO is not Mercosur, it is an actual organization that does stand by its' members. An attack on one is an attack on all of them. It is something you wouldn't understand.
I don't see NATO taking action over the FI. It didn't in the 80s, when it was more relevant then nowadays. Why would it be any different now that it is in clear decay?
Jun 24th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -1forgetit87 123
Jun 24th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Don't underestimate the Old Boys. In 82 the British were always winning, except according to Argentine news reports, North America will come to the aid of its' former master and South America will desert you just as before. It wouldn't be like Afghanistan where it would take more like a decade of commitment, more like a couple of days.
124 Zhivago
Jun 24th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought it may take 6 or 7 days myself, but you could be right! :o)
“Don't underestimate the Old Boys.”
Jun 25th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kinda hard ans you can't even win on some Afghan cavemen.
forgetit87
Jun 25th, 2012 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0If its so easy then do it, but for God's sake, stop whining about it!
Remember that it is your countries that those guys bombed. It's your responsibility to fend off for yourself.
Jun 25th, 2012 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0ForgeTIT87128
Jun 25th, 2012 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I meant for you to invade the Falklands again if it was so easy, don't play innocent and stupid. Your laments are falling on deaf ears.
@ Dr. Zhivago
Jun 25th, 2012 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse -1“It is something you wouldn't understand.”
The only one that seems to don’t understand is you mate.
NATO only applies in the NA since FI are in SA I guess you will not be lucky.
And if just for change you will find any legal hole to exploit in NATO who you do think will support you in the campaign against Argentina?
Errr NONE like in 1982. Even Uncle Sam says “just a bilateral issue Arg-UK” do you get the message?
But UNASUR applies in SA.
Suuuuuure, Danyboy.
Jun 25th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're only fooling yourself.
We can handle you all by our little selves.
130 Burgerboy
Jun 25th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you think Nato only applies in North America? Do you know what an atlas is? I suggest you have a look at one. UNASUR?? Don't make me laugh!!
Mr Berger I see you still not changed your name yet!!!!! still never mind we shall continue to take the P out of you no matter what you change your name to.
Jun 25th, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse +1Now back to business in hand, you seem to be a little bit deluded with the assumption that no one will help my country if I invoke article 5 of the NATO charter I think you will find that they will have very little option but to come and help us if we need them. Whereas what country is going to come to your country's aid when push comes to shove perhaps the same ones who came rushing to help you back in 1982 maybe they will be lining up to help you, maybe Brazil? No I don't think so, I have seen to it that Brazil will be losing quite a bit of trade if it comes out on your country's side, maybe Chile then? No I don't think so they actually hate your country, maybe Uruguay? No yet again why should Uruguay one of the most economically developed countries in South America come to the aid of a country that has shown that it could not run a party up in a brewery?
No you do not have many friends in the World that would come to your aid, what about the Chinese they would come to your aid wouldn't they? Well no actually they wouldn't, why spoil a good thing they are making pots of money out of the rest of the worlds so why should they suddenly go and spoil a good thing?
Ah well Mr Berger it seems your on your own does it not???? It must be so terrible for you when you do not have many friends that you can call up on to help you. We Brits on the other hand even though everyone says they don't like us can just pick up a phone dial a few numbers and people just drop what they are doing and come to our aid. My God we must have done something good all those years ago.
@Dr. Zhivago
Jun 26th, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse -1Why don’t you stop to post about things that you have no idea about?
NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation)
NA (North Atlantic)
SA (south Atlantic)
Only time called for article V 2001 by USA.
In 2003 a fragmentation in the alliance front cause a crisis when France and Belgium and Germany vetoed procedures in Turkey case.
FI bilateral issue ARG/UK does not involves NATO members and as is not part or NATO.
But UNASUR as I said before applies.
@Dove KaMoron
They only one a little bit deluded will be you with your assumption, Can you tell me what country is going to support you in a war against Argentina?
Come on name them so we can have a big laugh.
Argies don’t need any help to burn to @ss just UNASUR’s countries by don’t allowing your RN to call on their ports will be just enough.
Oh! KaMoron that is already happening, have you noted that?
By the way have you have anyone willing to lend a carrier to you yet?
“We Brits on the other hand even though everyone says they don't like us can just pick up a phone dial a few numbers and people just drop what they are doing and come to our aid”
This is really good mate, start to make your call right now before BT cuts your lines for unpaid due bills.
Ha ha still waiting for you advise for my TA in UKStunt to get rich.
Danny Dingleburger
Jun 26th, 2012 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse +1Carefully read Article 4 of the Washington Treaty or better yet, have someone read it to you. Nato was set up to protect us against the Russians and I assume that we would have had to fight them in the Pacific also. Afghanistan, as far as I know does not have an Atlantic port. In other words if you attack UK, ie The Falklands, Nato, if asked will come to the rescue. I live in a NATO country and I saw the coffins coming back from Afghanistan. We stand by our members. UNASUR is a sewing club.
p.s. Aircraft carriers are not needed to defeat your navy or air force. We shoot geese here in the fall with shotguns from a canoe. A goose knows more about flying than your air force does!
Dear Zhivago, I have not seen any goose sinking this vessels so far...
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse -1HMS Alacrity - slightly damaged by bomb near misses
HMS Arrow - slightly damaged by cannon fire
HMS Glamorgan - slightly damaged by bomb near misses, all off Stanley by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6.
HMS SHEFFIELD - mortally damaged south east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and sank in tow on Monday 10th May.
HMS Glasgow - moderately damaged off Stanley by unexploded bomb (1) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Bomb passed through hull but damage took some days to repair and she shortly returned to UK.
HMS Antrim - seriously damaged in Falkland Sound outside San Carlos Water by unexploded bomb (2) dropped by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. UXB removed but damage took some days to repair.
HMS Broadsword - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6.
HMS Argonaut - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by rockets and cannon fire from Aermacchi MB.339A of CANA 1 Esc, and then seriously damaged by two unexploded bombs (3/4) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Removing the UXB's and carrying out repairs took a number of days and although declared operational, she soon sailed for the UK.
HMS Brilliant - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6. (Different attack from “Broadsword”)
HMS ARDENT - badly damaged in Grantham Sound by bombs - hits, UXB's (5+) and near misses - dropped by Daggers of Grupo 6, then mortally damaged by bombs from A-4Q Skyhawks of CANA 3 Esc off North West Island. Sank the following evening.
HMS ANTELOPE - damaged in San Carlos Water by two unexploded bombs (6/7) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5. One of the bombs exploded that evening while being defused and she caught fire and sank next day.
RFA Sir Galahad - damaged by unexploded bomb (8) and out of action for some days,
RFA Sir Lancelot - damaged by unexploded bomb (9) and not fully operational for
and still the RGs copped a hiding and went home to mum.....
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse +1Without a doubt the Argentinian airforce operated to international standards of airmanship during the war. Anyone who says differently either does not know what really happened or wants to deny the facts.
Jun 26th, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse +1However, the planes which flew in the war are still in service today. Time expired airframes that were never maintained in accordance to the manufactureres requirements have killed more Argentinian pilots than anything else - a national disgrace for Argentina.
The airforce today (mainly A4s) presents no serious threat to the likes of the Typhoons and most certainly not to a Type 45 which is more than capable of downing them the instant they cross the coast, having tracked them from takeoff.
The old Type 38 cruise missiles that are left have NEVER been test fired since 1982. Given the need to replace components because of age degradation it is highly likely that many of them could NOT operate now and anyway the Type 45 can easily down them well before any threat can be carried out.
It must be concluded that Argentina cannot muster any creditable air strike capability at present and requires a major upgrade and corresponding training of aircrews for it to do so. A huge cost for any country.
How is that possible with the country in such a chaotic state of affairs and effectively bankrupt?
135 Chipolyte
Jun 26th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then what is the problem? Reclaim your islands!!
@138 ChrisR,
Jun 26th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0What would be the scrap value of their old Skyhawks etc?
l believe that there's titanium in the engines.
ha.
@Zhivago
Jun 26th, 2012 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“I live in a NATO country and I saw the coffins coming back from Afghanistan”
Wow you live in a NATO country and?
NATO does not applies for the ARG/BRIT territory dispute but in case UK send a bullet toward ARG main land UNASUR yes come to action.
But I see you where asking the same question over every forum. Ha ha
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=172471&start=500
You just have to think how will look the ceremony because the Hong Kong one was to boring.
BTW can you make sure your Scot Guards use underwear please?
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=172471&start=500
Mr Berger, I see you do not know what NATO does so I will inform you of what article 5 does
Jun 26th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +1NATO is committed to the peaceful resolution to all disputes. If diplomatic efforts fail it has the military capability to undertake undertake crises management operations . These are undertaken by article 5 of the Washington treaty, or under a UN mandate, alone or in cooperation with other country's and international organizations.
So you see Mr Burger all I have to do is pick up the phone to my friends and ask for a tiny bit of help and they would come a running.
And do try to change that name its like writing to the chairperson of a burger chain, most of putting I must say.
140 lsolde
Jun 26th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are two recognised routes to deal with planes that are no longer needed / obsolete / time expired airframes, etc.
One, used extensively by middle ranking airlines (and major ones at time of supply shortages) is to buy parts from major plane breakers WHERE THE PROVENENCE IS NOT DISPUTED.
Engines are regularly swapped just weeks before the decision to 'scrap' the plane is made. They still have all the relevant documentation to prove how many hours they have left and the amount of servicing they have had since new. Parts such as these are very valuable and would be safe to use in general aviation. Don't overlook that 99.9% of these planes have been flown in the the 'park' and are in very good working order when they arrive.
For instance, I would rather fly in a plane with these type of engines than in Areolinas Argentina aircraft where frankly, given the propensity for lying that the Argentinians have, I would not trust the service records OR the competency of servicing.
The second route is frankly the break, smash and scrap brigade. Yes, jet engines, especially fighter plane engines will have lots of exotic metals within the core. Generally, because of time expired records showing 'Nil time' they are of melt down value only. This is still a lot of money though. Current Europe sourced price for Titanium Grades 1 - 4 (scrap) is US$ 8,650 ex port facility per metric tonne.
If I were to be hard on them, and why not, the Argie airplane roster is probably worth more as scrap than if they managed to sell them. But who would be stupid enough to risk buying them?
Hope this helps.
141 Dany De Burgerville
Jun 26th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me get this straight. Unasur would recognize an attack to wards the ARG mainland and come to your aid but obviously they don't share your view that the British on the Falklands are an occupation force or wouldn't they be doing everything in their power to help you recover them, just a thought.
By the way you are a twit, the link to that other forum was not a post by me, I'm sure there are many who are not as blind as you I pointed out that I come from a NATO country only to stress that I knew what it was about to belong to a legitimate pact that stood for something.
Feeling a bit stupid?, you sure are looking that way!!
@Dove KaMoron
Jun 27th, 2012 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse -1Make your call and wait to see what happen, yeah!
Ring, ring...ring...
White house who’s speaking?
This is David
Who?
David Cameron
David Cameron from?
UK I’m the PM
Ah! is not Gordo anymore there?
No may I speak with Obama please.
He is not available at the moment can I take you message?
Yes, tell him that I would like to call Article V against Argentina.
Are you crazy or what?
You don’t read the news, just a bilateral matter Arg./UK you are alone.
Call Angela and see if you are lucky with her. Chank!
Ring, ring, ring...
Deutscher Bundestag.
This is David Cameron...
Ich kann Sie schlecht verstehen
Chanck!
Hello anybody there?????? Hello...
@Zhivago
“I pointed out that I come from a NATO country only to stress that I knew what it was about to belong to a legitimate pact that stood for something”
Ich bin Deutscher do you tell something to you?
NATO countryman?
No yet?
help here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJOoTng0G_0
DanyDiddleberg145
Jun 27th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse +1Does Germany even have a military? Last time I was there I only visited American and Canadian bases. You are still world pariahs and will do what you are told! Maybe you could launch some behind-the -lines attack from La Cumbrecita or set up a listening post on Garibaldi Street. Germany was an original “bitch” member of NATO, vanquished foe, keep you friends close and your enemies even closer.
Shalom....
@Dr.Zhivago,
Jun 27th, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -1In English and that makes sense would you try please?
Please join this new fb page - Falkland Islands Desire The Right - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the loonacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and their internet trolls - https://www.facebook.com/Britain1592
Jun 27th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1147 McBurgertown
Jun 27th, 2012 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In English and that makes sense would you try please?”
Down's Syndrome? I'm sorry, I didn't know!
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