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PM Cameron accuses Argentina of colonialism and protectionism ahead of G20
British Prime Minister David Cameron has fired a broadside at Argentina ahead of the opening of the G20 summit in Mexico, accusing the country of colonialism over the Falklands and protectionism in world trade. Read full article
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Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0the same OLD STORY... a conversation of deaf...
Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0One is saying that the wishes of the islanders and the other just want to talk about the facts and not the wishes.
deaf cameron, you don't want to see what the facts show you.
the end of this will be just the same as before, the islanders will have no fresh eggs for breakfast, and they will have to travel to London to go to University and so for the big medical reasons.
no fresh eggs, never...
G20 countries should also be setting an example in good governance of their banking systems to prevent excess and possible imbalances.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK is a complete rogue and derelict on this matter.
@2 Argentina has nothing to offer us except subjugation and being colonized. I would rather go hungry than to give one inch of my country to a foreign power
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 04: is that why the UK's credit rating is so much better than Argentina's? Ok, thanks for pointing that out, i'd hate to think we were, you know, not paying our debts or letting inflation get out of control or stealing businsses or doing insane protectionist measures or anything. 60 nations shouting at us to sort out our finances: i can live without.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Usually, the pyromaniac goes unburned. It is the victims of his deliberate conflagrations who suffer.
The UK banking system is directly responsible for the crisis in many other countries. And they did this due to years and years of UK malfeasance and lax regulation.
But eventually, the pyro is caught, or immolates himself in one of his future acts.
I hope Cameron does have a chance to give CFK a piece of his mind. And I wish President Mujica of Uruguay had had the guts to do likewise a long time ago. This I say as a Uruguayan.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 06: so you're saying that Argentina's lying to multiple international institutions is the UK's fault?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Feeling the pressure Mr Cameron?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never underestimate Cristina.
I know you are under a lot of pressure but please make sure not to leave your girl behind in a bar/cantina again.
You certainly cannot second guess a mad woman, she could do anything.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0It does not matter what CFKC wants, she will never get the Falklands and all the faithful followers will be disappointed again because nothing has changed and nothing will change. CFKC is all fur coat and no knickers.
As always, the British prime minister is urinating outside the container, I can not believe that the current ruler of a country that was once the world's first power kite similar misconception. Nobody wants to impose a nationality to the islanders, may forever remain British! As any foreigner living in our country, none was ever imposed nationality, those who want it can opt for it. The referendum is a joke, if the Penguins continue to talk vote for seabirds, whales if the vote would choose to remain mammal, that is obvious. But if the rocks of the Malvinas are Argentine speak would say! The interest of my country is not turning its population in Argentine, but regain their usurped territory.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0xavierv, good point !!
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 011: you might not want to “turn” anyone, but those who don't toe the line are quickly made to disappear or made irrelevant. How are the native american protests going lately, by the way, any more amnesty international letters received?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 02 hipo- no problems- assume you mean the Lan flight - we can do without it as you wish - trouble is can your vets and next of kin? they told your presidente a few weeks ago that it means a huge lot to them.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0# 10 -- >How are you so sure that will never change the “status quo” of the islands? Or did you read your fortune? These pretty sure that will never change the mood of the English taxpayer in respect of expenditure that causes the state to maintain a military base against a country that is not a military threat to UK? These very sure that only care about your will to remain British? I remember something a city called Hong Kong? There the population wanted to remain British and what happened?? UK only had the obligation to return the continental sector of the city, as if he could continue utilizing them on the island portion of that city. Results: Against the will of its citizens and without obligation to do so, Hong Kong was returned to China in full! You know what to expect, you can start buying you a poster of Kun Aguero ..
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK avoiding eye-contact with DC at the G-20:
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.daylife.com/photo/02Xe72Ff6Ib9B?__site=daylife&q=David+Cameron
Rebekah Brooks's message to David Cameron on eve of G20 talk with CFK
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“But seriously I do understand the issue with the Malvinas. Let's discuss over country supper soon”
“I am so rooting for you tomorrow not just as a proud friend but because professionally we're definitely in this together! Speech of your life? Yes he Cam”.
I don´t know who is more ridiculous, this man named cameron or the other the “prince” who is traveling around the world doing nonsense in your stupid war vessel. Nobody believe in these both pirates.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently by this time have had enough sleep, you may have nightmares about the fate that took Hong Kong and wake up in a little desperate to convince yourself that they do not have the same end ..
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can someone translate 18 and 19 for me please because it certainly isn't English, the best I got from it was “all your base are belong to us”.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20 I know, it's what happens when Malvinistas crawl out of their 'Villas Miseria' and try to better themselves by learning English. They fail dismally, the same way they fail at everything else. :)
Jun 19th, 2012 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think today's silly fantasy is that they believe Argentina is as powerful and intimidating as China. Erm....no. It isn't. As powerful and intimidating as a Chinese takeaway, maybe. Even then it's a close run thing.
Just in case economic sense is a factor.... check this world debt clock and try to decide which debt you prefer to hold.... it may change your mind quickly.... not to mention you will be having fresh grass fed chicken eggs for breakfast every morning.... and fresh grass fed stake for lunch... and your fresh cup of tee at 5 pm will remain... maybe with some fresh grass fed milk too...
Jun 19th, 2012 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html#
I'm not going to trust a website that doesn't even know the difference between England and the UK. Which does it represent, England or the UK?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your choice.... I guess they are both in the same boat... but if you come up with better numbers I'll like to see them....
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 024: anyone with a basic understanding of economics knows there's a world of difference between what level of debt you can manage and what debt you can't. The fact remains that even though, for example, the UK's debt levels in many aspects are higher than Argentina's, the UK consistently pays it's debtors and is recognised as having the ability to do so for many years to come, unlike, say, for example, Argentina who has lower levels of debt but can't repay anyone and has people banging on it's door to repossess it's TV and playstation. Argentina is the international equivalent of the council house tenant hiding behind the sofa from the rent man.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Timmerman had a good retort, it must be said, to Cameron's anti-Argentina harangue:
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“He must have been speaking about the UK, as he certainly must be fulfilling hist duties.”
He raises a good point: He plays hardball with Argentina on the Falklands. Fine. I can understand that (although a G20 meeting seems a very gauche occasion since it is not a geopolitical gathering, but solely economic). It is unbecoming behavior by the UK to bring such an issue at this venue.
But assuming it isn't... then he goes to a business summit and makes a significant commentary on Argentina's economy.
Some time later in another conference, he makes mention of YPF
The question thus raised: is he the prime minister of the UK or Argentina?
If I was a British electorate, I would request him to worry about the UK just a bit more.
Why bother talking to the Argie scumbags? The are imbeciles, too stupid to understand and congenitally deaf.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ It is unbecoming behavior by the UK to bring such an issue at this venue.” Yeah, because argentina would NEVER do anything like that, would they?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Some time later in another conference, he makes mention of YPF
The question thus raised: is he the prime minister of the UK or Argentina?” Yes... because this is a forum on the state of the world economy, and any nation that is threatening international interests by privatising foreign owned businesses is a threat and needs to be addressed.
You may have a point there... I do not agree with either government behavior, but numbers talk louder than words....
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The situation in the world is changing rapidly, do not forget during WWII Argentina was able to feed both sides, including the British that end up owing Argentina so much money without liquidity that they have to repay with the complete railroad system they used to own in that country.... and the Argentinians accepted the deal against their favor... If any conflict of that nature occurred again, the British are more in a position to engage in war, and Argentina is more in a position to produce food... much needed now than back then.
6 Truth_Telling_Troll
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0You clearly don't understand what as been happening in the world banking system if you believe the UK banking system is directly responsible for the current economic crisis - so i'd love to hear you try and explain it rather than just plonk your belief as a statement on this thread. Go on - have a go.
However there is a certain amount of gratification to be gleaned from the fact that Argentines believe it was the UK that screwed them over in this matter.
29: Everything else aside and in all sincerity, I for one am extremely grateful that Argentina helped with food supplies during the war. Thank you :)
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0To all the Malvinistas
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really don't get it do you. You are so completely brainwashed you aren't listening.
The British people will support the islanders no matter what it takes. Last time it took 255 lives...a massive price in Britain. It is in our hearts and minds.
You will never steal the islands against the wishes of the islanders. No matter what the cost.
You can lie about 1833 all you want. Some may believe your lies. We simply don't care.
There is no political, military or economic manoeuvre that Argentina can do that Britain can't counter.
best regards
@ Boovis - “for great justice”
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am a part of the British electorat, and I can tell you that the PM does'nt spend a lot of his time thinking about the Falklands - over here, in the UK, Cameron and the rest of HMG are more concerned about the euro crises.
On the contrary I wish he would spend more time rebutting your countries lies, threats and distortions.
Argentina's wingeing about not being allowed to steal land from us is not a major issue on the news - and only gets mentioned infrequently when CFK does something really outrageous.
You would be better served by CFK if she left the Flaklanders alone and got on with trying to sort out Argetina's problems.
You're not going to get anything from us. You are totally impotent to force the issue. The C24 is seen as a sick joke made up of anti western nations We can block anything in the security council. An invasion would be problematical.
You're wasting your time.
@32: erm... think you meant to talk to someone else there...
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is hilarious. Argentina, a country no one can trust... not banks, not politicians, not investors, not it's own population, not tourists, not anyone... only has 'fresh eggs' to offer the population of the Falklands in exchange for undercutting their own sovereignty. The fact the people of the Falklands are quite capable of producing their own eggs without the polluted waterways of Argentina is quite beyond the capacity of the Argentines to understand.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0So... they then turn to 'debt'. Because people are willing to lend the UK money for national infrastructure and development at low rates they seem to think that this is a bad thing. They then compare it to Argentina, whose banking system is so utterly repellant that the president is dipping into the central bank currency reserves like it's her personal account. There isn't another institution outside of Venezuela who would lend to Argentina and they only did it to raid their own central bank.
Then some Arg-toerag says 'One is saying that the wishes of the islanders and the other just want to talk about the facts and not the wishes.' which is a misrepresentation of reality. The Argentinians wanted to use deception by not discussing the facts, or even talking to the islanders, whereas the UK discusses the verifiable objective historical facts and the wishes of the islanders.
I seriously worry about the Argentine educational system, it's clearly a bag'o'shite producing nothing useful.
he may be right, but he is still a crockpot
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is there something wrong with these boards? I think I'm not the only one who sees posts and responds, only to find the numbers or posters are not as originally viewed...?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0good document its good to see Mr Cameron speak out against colonialism
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0see former colonizers do play a role in anti colonization by preventing it :)
the Falkland is the islanders home as much as Argentina is the Argentinians home.
37 Boovis
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0No - you're just going mad
Going, going, gone.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 TTT
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain responsible for the economic crisis, I think not. The main crisis is the eurozone and britain is not part of it. The initial failure was the american market, not the british. Britain's rating is AAA whilst Argentina is B.. this tells you who the Rogue is.
DC tells it like it is. Colonisation is the part of the past not the present and Argentina's behaviour is not going to help it one little bit to acquire the falklands as this matter is in the hands of the islanders. Swivell on it !
Jose Manuel Barroso “This crisis was not originated in Europe”:
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18496985
Well done, PM David Cameron for speaking up on this issue.The Falklanders alone, have the right to determine their future.Any objective person, capable of reading the history of the Falklands would accept that fact.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the usual foolish Argentinian posters on this site, you never fail to embarass yourselves and your nation with your outrageous and untruthful and ignorant comments on the subject of the rights of the Falklanders to determine their future without a colonialist Argentina contstantly trying to harrass them.
The sad thing for Argentina is that people like our Argentine posters here such as hipolyte, TTT, Marcos Alejandro, XavierV run their country. Little wonder it faces constant economic challenges with such poor governance.
He's absolutely right. Not only is Argentina a colony, the Spanish Conquistadors having slaughtered and dispossessed the region's indigenous people, implanting the current population, and subsequently extending their territory by a continued process of war and genocide. Those colonists now want to do the same again to the Falkland Islanders, a thousand miles across the sea from Buenos Aires. The most ridiculously hypocritical and laughably ironic part is they take it to a blatantly corrupt and useless so-called 'decolonisation committee'.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0after the group photo the RG President was the first to leave - as quickly as she could. she stood right near the end of a row so she could make an exit ASAP.
#2
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you saying that it would be impossible to keep hens in the Falklands to provide eggs ?
@2 There are no shortage of eggs in the Falklands, many people keep chickens.Perhaps since they can import them they might have stopped keeping so many-but if there is an egg embargo they will simply keep more chickens again and avoid the need to import them.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Problem solved, by people who run their country better than Argentina ever will theirs with their Hitler-inherited Peronism.
If Argentina stops the flights from Chile, the Islanders will get flights from somewhere else, and Chile will loose the £millions of revenue they get from the Islands. Someone else will get the money instead.
Problem solved. However, Chile is a well run country and I suspect they are not stupid enough to allow Argentina to dictate to them, and loose the income from the Falkland Islands.
Though, Argentina being such good friends, will compensate Chile for any money they loose from the FIs.
Oh by the way, seeing as you South American countries are so good to each other, how is the Argentine -backed Bolivian land grab from Chile going?
Dont the English Prime Ministers have any advicers to instruct them how to speak diplomatically .?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0wel, well,l this article has brought out the Arg trolls spouting the usual deflection and bullsh*t, i dont even read most of them any more same old scripted bitter dribble nothing new or of any substance or value wouldnt expect any less from an Arg.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dont forget Arg. KEEP BARKING we all know thats all you have and will ever have, :)
beg doggie beg, hey ive found something Arg are good at.
48 TipsyThink
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0KFC & Hysterical Hector have been hurling personal insults for months.
Lessons in diplomatic language from Argentines are like lessons in safety at sea from Captain Bonzo.
@48 And the Argentines CAN speak diplomatically??
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentines attempts at diplomacy are inherited from Adolf Hitler via Peronism.
Please if any doubts who they belong to just get a world map and see how far they are from UK and How close to Argentina... Oh sorry self-determination? Why don t you tell the people from Chagos islands (2000 ppl) who were kicked out of their homes and sent to Mauritius to permit the US to establish a Naval Communication Station on one of its island territories there. The US requested an unpopulated island belonging to the UK to avoid political difficulties with newly-independent countries, and ultimately the UK and US agreed that Diego Garcia was a suitable location. It seems they didn t have the same rights... Self determination? Pppfff!!!
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 052 Reyvolution
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're a bit late to the party if you believe that was a revolutionary statement to make on these forums.
Asking us to look at a world map makes you sound a bit daft.
#52.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they best argument that you can raise is geographic proximity (completely irrelevant in international law) and the Chagos islanders (reminds me of playground arguments), you really should give up.
53: I think Reyvolution got his Geography lessons from the globe on Pee Wee's playhouse.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0# 43 Well, well ... It wreaks havoc on impotence your poor temperament, not our fault that you are isolated at 14000 miles of your country and surrounded by the “damn” in Argentina. Simple, get your things and raises the camp. We will be here long. If you fed up not our problem but yours.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0# 47 Let's see, let a minute of a Chilean skin: one side is Argentina, with its 40 million inhabitants with which to strengthen economic and political ties. On the other hand 3 000 squatters on an island in Argentina. Poof! Resolved: We opted for the Islanders pay off more than we get along with the Argentine!.
As you knows nothing about foreign policy living the illusion that Chile will be his defense attorney when clearly that for reasons of territorial integrity is in the best interest of Chile to maintain optimal relations with Argentina and not 3 thousand unhappy usurpers without nation and no right to it..
@52 I just looked on a world map, and by your strategy the islands are thousands of miles from UK and hundreds of miles from Argentina, so they cannot belong to either then. Maybe they need to have their own country and call it 'Marineland'.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you're so concerned about who the islands belong to, why do you live in an economic sh!thole where poverty is rife, inflation is apparently unchecked even with attempts to peg your paper to the dollar, and growth is fictitious. You might want to worry about your own starving native children first.
@57: A bit more for them to think about before shouting “chagoschagoschagos”:
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indigenous Peoples’ rights
Concerns remained at the failure to implement the 2006 national emergency law which temporarily suspends the execution of eviction orders or the removal of Indigenous communities from traditional lands until an appropriate nationwide survey has been carried out.
In November, 400 police officers violently dispersed members of the Toba Qom Indigenous community who had mounted a roadblock in protest at plans to build a university on traditional lands. The police also burned down the community’s temporary homes. At least one police officer and one member of the Indigenous community were killed.
Right to health – land and environment
An NGO report published in early 2010 identified 120 land-ownership and environment-related conflicts in the Chaco area of northern Argentina, affecting over half a million people, mainly from peasant and Indigenous communities.
Despite growing evidence of the negative impact on health of chemicals used on soya and rice plantations in several northern provinces, by the end of the year no systematic epidemiological study or investigation had been initiated to evaluate the extent and gravity of the problem.
International justice
In September, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in favour of the extradition of Sergio Galvarino Apablaza Guerra to Chile where he faced charges in connection with the murder of Senator Jaime Guzmán and the kidnapping of Cristián Edwards in 1991. However, in October, a federal judge closed the case for his extradition after the National Commission for Refugees granted him refugee status.
@33 shb “I wish he would spend more time rebutting your countries lies, threats and distortions”
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, Cameron's doing the right thing (I never thought I'd say that) to ignore the idiots. Their irrational squealing doesn't warrant any response. I only come here and read their comments for a laugh. Seriously, the lunacy of some malvinists arguments occasionally take my breath away, and often make me laugh out loud. I sometimes respond, but I know there isn't any point. As we saw in 1982, ultimately there's only one language they understand.
This is how Kirchner stays in power. Political corruption Kirchner / Argentina style. And they say “oh we won by 54% of the vote”, well how much of that 54% was purchased by the Kirchner gang and how many actually voted without getting a few pesos in hand?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
@52 ”Please if any doubts who they belong to just get a world map and see how far they are from UK and How close to Argentina... Oh sorry self-determination? Why don t you tell the people from Chagos islands (2000 ppl) who were kicked out of their homes and sent to Mauritius to permit the US to establish a Naval Communication Station on one of its island territories there. The US requested an unpopulated island belonging to the UK to avoid political difficulties with newly-independent countries, and ultimately the UK and US agreed that Diego Garcia was a suitable location. It seems they didn t have the same rights... Self determination? Pppfff!!!”
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina cant talk on such matters and has carried out much worse since then may i refer you to a little war Argentina had with it self on the following link
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/argentina.htm
more commonly known as the dirty way that didn't involve 2000 people, 10000 but up to and beyond 30000 people. and that's before you get started on the Falklands war. The Falkland war which may i add you lost. im sure you will claim that it was a military dictatorship not Argentina. but if your disregarding that part of your history then you must also disregard every event leading up to becoming a dictatorship including your original claim on Falklands. you claim to have changed since 1983 that Argentina war Reborn in 1983. fresh start and it was working well till you started to dig up the past. your claim ended in 1833,1850,1982 and 1983 how many more times would you like us Brits to bury it?
but lucky us brits saved you from you from your dirty war and gave you the courage to stand up. and yes a thank you would be great. feel free any time you like....... im listening
@61 don't forget 1863 as well. I have asked on numerous occasions if Argentina would give the islands back the UK if they'd won the war but the Junta had fallen anyway and they never answer, meaning they of course supported the war.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don t get so upset guys; chill... referendum on Scottish independence in autumn 2014. YES! YES! YES! This will give people the power to vote for what they want and believe is best for them.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 063 Reyvolution........and?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're one of the worst trolls we've had on here so far and that's with some stiff competition.
thats would be their choice lol. don't expect many people to worry about it though. laughable excuse for a counter argument but if that all the argument you got the Falklands will be with the UK forever
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0but we will see how the referendum turns out next year never say never. they could see your really nice guys between now and then but i doubt it some how lol
Interesting that Cameron seems to know what the referendum question will be when the FIG hasn't announced it...
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Xavierv, have you ever visited the Falkland Islands? No, what a surprise. Like many of your compatriots on this site, your arrogance has no ends....which is quite amusing considering Argentina's place in the world.....world superpower, I think not. Stick to playing and following soccer and keep practising those 'hand of god' goals....Argentina at its finest...a world class cheat!
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Truth_Telling_Troll The UK can in no way be directly charged with the global economic crisis. It stemmed from American Banks lending more money that they could, to people who could not afford to pay them back.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed, this highlighted the great weaknesses in the Euro zone, but this again, is by no fault of the UK. Your comments are biased, and ill-based.
Argentina's democracy is barely the timespan of a decent length mortgage in the Western world. It is not far enough away from the actions of the military junta and therefore still demonstrates what appears to be its innate resorting to aggression and force. Argentina's people did too little to oppose the military when they were in power and what was done by the military was done in their name whether or not they accept this. Argentina's behaviour is infantile in the World of democracy like a child throwing its toys out of the pram when it does not get what it wants. Mature democracies will not give in to this blackmail.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Against this, the United Kingdom is a long-standing, never-conquered democracy, a powerful member of the United Nations, a permanent member of the security council, an EU member, a NATO member, a Commonwealth member and a respected member of the international community.
Despite many attacks on the UK by terrorists et al over the years, including the attempted assassination of the Prime Minister, the UK did not give in to terrorists and those using force to achieve their aims. We never give in and we never give up.
The Falkland Islands is an overseas territory of the UK, and this will remain so. Perhaps it is time to incorporate the Falklands into the United Kingdom itself (as an autonomous entity), and remove any doubt that Argentina may have as to our position, or that of our British Citizens in residence there.
One begins to experience serious fatigue listening to the 'macho-moaning' emanating from Queen Christina and Lapdog Timerman. It is only a matter of time before they fade into irrelevance with this broken record.
The wise thing to do (explains why they haven't done it!), would have been to woo the islanders ... but that would have required patience, something Argentina is short of, along with food, jobs, diplomacy, as well as foresight and hindsight.
Argentina is an aggressor. It knows no other way, and cannot demonstrate otherwise.
#66
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I could guess at the question. Whatever the wording.
Do you wish to become part of the Argentine state? That is really all it is about.
Whatever they decide should be final. If they wish this, then that's their business
#48
Tipsy Think - In English this means a drunk||||
Chill Chill Chill... Don t you think is funny how there are only 10 argies in the islands with a population of 3000 being so close to Argentina? Never asked your self the question Why??? Use your brain; leave facebook for 10 min and think Why is that... there are more Argies in London and in any other part of the world I m sure I can count more than 10. Think!! Why in 179 yrs of british domination only 10?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chill chill chill - because Argentines are too stupid to work out where they are on a map?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@71
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Faroe Islands (administered by Denmark) are closer to the UK than the Falklands are to Argentina. The Faroe Islands are rich in oil and gas.
0.7% of the population of the Faroe islands are British. Little more than double the Argentines in the FI's.
Denmark and the UK have an excellent relationship and Britain respects the Faroe islanders right to Self-Determination.
Why in 700 years of Danish rule have Britain only got 0.7% of the population, Think!!!, when they are so close to Britain..!
Jeez you are a moron.
I told you to leave facebook for 10 min use your brain cells for that time and give a good answer but oh well; I get it some people have no brain... but that's no my fault... Yes to Scottish Independence!
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What has Facebook got to do with this?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NB In the UK the only people that care about Scottish independence are the Scots - let them get on with their vote.
Yes to Scottish Independance if thats what they vote for..why do you think the English don't want it...recent polls suggest the English want it more than the Scots!
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course the humour in the vote will be if the Shetland islands wish to remain part of the UK
first answer to #52 cos I haven t got the answer for that. Second its fine whatever UK do with Denmark or any European country at the end of the day its Europe... Now let South Americans have South America and manage their land and richness for them; also same situations(like uk/denmark) happens all around South America but its obvious there is nothing like this matter between them.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#71 &63
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, you've lost me again. What is this reference to facebook - never used it or twitter.
I think anyone with half a brain could answer that one about why only 10 Argies are in the Falklands.
Would the Falklanders welcome people who had forceably taken over their land, and tried to impose their way of life upon them -I don't think so.
What would the Argies do to make a living ? You tell me.
Bye the way, what has a proposed Scottish referendum got to do with anything on this thread. You make it sound as if the whole of the country is desperate for this to happen so we can all shout “Freedom” as in the crap film “Braveheart”
By your comments, you appear to assume that Scotland cannot wait for the chance to vote off “the English yoke of oppression” Ballocks.
It's the political classes who keep hammering the point - the average “Jock” -such as I- is fed up with the whole thing.
The UK is an omelette and impossible to change back into its constituent eggs.
The only thing we may agree on is to get rid of the current Tory government which no one in Scotland voted for.
Hadn't thought of that - would the Shetlands be forced to join an independent Scotland? Are they intrinsically Scottish?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Presumably they would have the right to self-determination if they wanted it but don't tell the C24 or they might decide to list them and demand that the Shetlands are given to Argentina! :-)
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18. I'm pretty sure a search and rescue helicopter doesn't count as a “war vessel”
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@78 Check this out in case you didn t know because I believe at school they only teach you the victories only... then tell me who invaded who first and we talk http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4779479.stm
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@82
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina didn't exist, the war was against the Spanish. Idiot.
Do some maths - when were those battles and when did Argentina come into existence.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Either way I assume you ignored the history of the Falklands in that piece?
29 Chris Columbus
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“.....do not forget during WWII Argentina was able to feed both sides, ”
Really? Please elaborate on how exactly Argentina shipped foodstuffs to the axis powers...
You have a very argentinian knowledge of history.
Reyvolution - The Falkland Islanders are a part of South America, but Argentina refuses to acknowledge their existence. So we get on with things, but with the white noise of Argentina in the background.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus, I love Timmerman's comments about Britain bringing the Falklands at G20...it is very funny how Argentina holds Britain up to high morale and diplomacy standards, but does not apply the same standards to itself. You have to love Argentina hypocrisy!
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Jun 19th, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:57 am
I think you are wrong about the number of Argentines on the Falklands, there are 29 according to the last census available.
Between 1833 and 1982, there was no impediment for Argentines to settle on the Islands, the truth is that none of us wanted to. If we had we could have been the majority in the referendum next year. Too bad, it's our own fault, nobody else's.
For once in our lives lets accept that there really isn't a “bad foreign bogey-man” trying to shaft Argentina, our own home grown Kretina and Máximo and La Cámpora are doing a really good job without interference from anyone.
I think we getting somewhere now... that was very interesting; ”the war was against the Spanish... So; Argentina drew up its own government on May 25, 1810, in response to Napoleon's capture of Spain, although it would not formally declare independence until 1816. Although rebel Argentine forces fought several small battles with Spanish forces, most of their efforts went towards fighting larger Spanish garrisons in Peru and Bolivia... Falklands/Malvinas...are under British control since 1833.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does this imbecile know that the British claim to the island began in 1700s?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sh!t troll is sh!t.
Does anyone understand the point of post 88 ?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I assume there is one but I can't see it.
Claim the islands to who??? The islands are South Americans and belong to South American. full stop. The islands could belong to Peru and believe me no one would say anything in South America because that's how it ended up but no like this...1700? haha you really make me laugh. Stick to what you know please.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Is it possible chickens can't live on the Falklands?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Is this your new, bitter, twisted, racist line, toby jug? Do you actually “know” anything about banking or economics, or are just going to borrow the CFK pamphlet on the subject?
@11 Ahah, the CFK line of meaningless drivel!
@15 Let me get down to your level. Me British taxpayer. Me no care how much money spent to keep Falklands as they are. Continental HK unsustainable. Lack of knowledge on part of retarded chimp!
@18 YOU are. But at least you arfe getting more courteous. Only two sentences. Next steps are: one sentence; then one word; then...........
@26 Would you like someone to give you a list of meetings at which argieland has “unbecomingly” mentioned the “issue” of the Falkland Islands? Cameron is concerned about the UK. Specifically, its Falkland Islands territory. And anything he does to kick argieland's butt is fine by us!
@42 And who would believe HIM? Is he not Portuguese?
@48 Don't know. WE tend to have BRITISH Prime Ministers.
@52 Please if any have doubts what belongs to who just get world map and see how far Hawaii is from United States. Fortunately, no people of Chagos Islands. Just ex-slaves become contract workers for Mauritian company. Responsibility of Mauritius.
@56 Whoops. “Loosing” it. Best interest of Chile is for argieland to “disappear”. Poof! Or should that be “Boom!”
@63 Independent Scotland = more money for England, Wales and Northern Ireland = Scotland at argie third world level.
@66 Why? YOU wouldn't understand it!
@71 Because the Islanders don't like shitty scum and argies are, generally, shitty scum? Just a thought.
@77 You are welcome to South America. The Falklands aren't South American. Get it yet?
@82 Yeah, so? Britain mounted a military invasion of a Spanish territory. Britain was at war with Spain. What's your point?
@88 You're starting to get there. Britain was fighting Spain. Argies didn't exist. And so?
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Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islands would happily be part of south america but you take every opportunity to exclude them. Why is that? Because they are of English rather than Spanish origin?
One must also assume from your ravings that you are unhappy about French Guiana too. Are you leading the protests about that?
I think its time Argentina was taught a VERY BIG lesson.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You see!! just lame answers... Just read what you wrote once again and you ll see the arrogance in it. Stick to your warm beer. No one is claiming Hawaii by the way. This matter between Argentina and UK has 179 yrs of history... And sure the people in the islands might feel british after all they moved there from UK but yet the islands are still South Americans and they will always be. You like it or not.@88 The Argentinian assertions of sovereignty provided the spur for Britain to send a naval task force in order to finally and permanently return to the islands.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On 3 January 1833, Captain James Onslow, of the brig-sloop HMS Clio, arrived at Vernet's settlement at Port Louis to request that the flag of the United Provinces of the River Plate be replaced with the British one, and for the administration to leave the islands... It is obvious there were argies there before UK placed 2000 ppl to leave there... people that now proclaim self determination?! WTF??!!
“And sure the people in the islands might feel british after all they moved there from UK”
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you claiming that those that moved to the Falklands in 1833 are still alive and feeling very British today?
I notice you fail to comment on French Guiana. Should the Falklands become a county of the UK to shut you up?
85 Frank
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0During the period of World War II, Argentina was ruled by a series of nationalist governments and dictatorial military juntas. Neutralist feelings prevailed in the military, which saw the war as a potential source of economic benefit for the country, by exporting supplies and agricultural products to both sides of the conflict. The government of Edelmiro Julián Farrell eventually caved in to international pressure, and Argentina joined other Latin American countries and declared war on Germany and Japan, one month before the war was over (27 March 1945).
More than 750 Argentine volunteers fought in the British, South African and Canadian Air Forces, mainly in the 164 Argentine-British RAF squadron, which saw action in Northern France and Belgium. Nearly 4,000 Argentine volunteers fought on the Allied side.
@ 52 Reyvolution
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Please if any doubts who they belong to just get a world map and see how far they are from UK and How close to Argentina...”
Chile, Paraguay, Brasil and Uruguay are even closer to Argentina - should they keep their armed forced on alert.
There is little to discuss. Argentina ceded the Falkland Islands to Britain in the 1850 peace treaty and Argentine presidents and vice presidents confirmed this later on.
It is futile to discuss with the British questions of warfare, on that matter more than any other they are the apotheosis of 'Duh duh duh”...
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It has been their MO for centuries: they attack a nation and then claim they did not attack that nation:
- Iraq, they claim they attacked the regime, not the population.
- Libya, they claim they attacked the regime, not the population.
- The invasions of Buenos Aires, they claim they attack the Spanish, when there was likely not a SINGLE SPANISH NATIVE IN THE CRIOLLO CIVILIAN POPULATION OF BUENOS AIRES, which bore not just the brunt, but the entirety of the attacks. There were no Spanish forces defending the town.
It is all about semantics with them. This is when a lesson close to home comes in handy:
Remember the terrorist attacks on London by Al Qaeda? Well, Al Qaeda made it clear their attack was directed at the UK government's policy in the Middle East, not at the people.
I wonder if the British even realized that is exactly how they have justified so many of their attacks on civilians for many, many years. I would wager not, they are brainwashed by agitprop into believing they are the good guys therefore they can do no wrong.
Yeh wander if the china town in London can be claim as part of China?... Anyway about French Guiana ther are a few defference. 1. The population there is 229.000 people against 2000+1000(army)=3000 ppl #2. They have same rights like french people in france its like another french province they even use the Euro. #3. No one is claiming the area and every country in South America respect that and accept it... against the Falklands which is no other thing than a Colony who have no vote in UK and no country in South America recognize. #4 And no less important the ppl in French Guiana have a population mixed with French; Portuguese; Spanish; British; Chinese; Lebanese... and many more... To make it shorter all these things together makes it acceptable which isn t the case with Falklands/Malvinas
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 095 Reyvolution
Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''UK placed 2000 ppl to leave there''
What does that mean, exactly? There are people living here today whose ancestors were part of Vernet's settlement. How were they placed by the UK? There are people born here whose parents came from Chile or St Helena, and people who applied for a job advertised by FIG, and stayed here because they wanted to.
How were any of us 'placed' by the UK?
Explain how that works, please, because I can't see it.
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Jun 19th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Based on your appraisal of French Guiana you'd be happy if the Falklands became another county of the UK to solve this problem?
I like the way you judge what is acceptable and not acceptable to an Argentine mind - as if that was relevant to anyone else.
@95 And so you come out with the usual argie drivel. Since you're obviously not too good with maths, let me tell you that 2012 - 1690 = 322. So that's 322 years since Captain John Strong RN landed on the Falkland Islands. He also named the Falkland Sound and eventually the whole island group after the British Admiralty Commissioner, Viscount Falkland. Makes your 179 years look a bit sick, doesn't it? Britain was there for 143 years before you even start counting!
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1833, the majority of the people that were in the Falklands at the time decided, under British urging, to remain under British sovereignty. A sovereignty that had already existed for 68 years, notwithstanding illegal argie squatters. Are you stupid enough to think that having “an” argie on the Islands gives argieland sovereignty? By the way, I'd like to see you put 2,000 people plus the crew aboard a brig-sloop. HMS Clio was 100 foot long, 31 foot wide and 14 foot high. She had a complement, i.e. crew, of 115. Now go out into the playground and try to cram 2, 115 people into that space!
More to the point, before you come on here and start arguing the toss, it would be helpful if you got some factual history. Not the garbage put out by argieland's “education” system.
FACTS:
1690 First landing.
1765 Sovereignty established.
1770 Spain attempts to claim sovereignty. And fails.
1771 Britain re-occupies settlements.
1776 Britain evacuates settlements to concentrate on American Revolutionary War.
1828 Vernet establishes a commercial business with British permission.
1831 United States removes most “settlers” after Vernet descends to piracy.
1833 Britain returns to re-establish itself. Penal garrison required to leave. 4 “settlers” decide to leave. After being paid their wages, in silver, by the British, 20 settlers opt to remain under British sovereignty.
That's the HISTORY!
Reyvolution
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we have not attacked Argentina. we attempted to invade the Spanish colony located in the south Atlantic in part for there support of Napoleon, who may i add the British defeated . nether the less it was not know and accepted Argentina existence during that time
the falklands do not need to be know by other south american country as they are reprisented in foreign affairs by the UK government. the Falklands is generally not seen as a colony. former colony yes now they are seen as territory's. our homes are our castles. you would fight for your home country, the Falkland islanders will fight for theirs and the people in UK will fight for our territory, for the principle of self-determination
“The islands are South Americans and belong to South American. full stop”
hahaha
your right they belong to south america and they are in the south american Continent how every like a number of islands in they south Atlantic they belong to UK
im fairly certain that the Falklands has now and in the past had a fairly mixed populations genetically that have all came to the decision Argentina cant be trusted, as is the general belief in the UK
as for the Chagos Islands, personally i see it a little odd but we cant change the past. and of course Argentina has done a lot worse more recent then that. namely the dirty war and the invasion of 1982
Reyvolution keep up the failing
@77
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Now let South Americans have South America and manage their land and richness for them”
And therein, in your simple statement is the issue of the piece.
The falkland Islanders ARE South American. They are every bit as South American as 90% of all the other South Americans...i.e. ethnic Europeans who have moved to the South American landmass sometime in the past 200 years.
What you mean is leave South America to the hispanics. An extraordinarily racist and colonialistic view.
The Falkland Islands are a de facto independant territory in South America, who rely on defence from the UK due to the racist aggression of their neighbours.
Sadly, you cannot distinguish between South America and Latin America.
http://www.falklands.info/history/history3.html Its better if you check here and see that I don t make stuff up; that there was people before UK took possession of the islands... Now people from Chile?... and St Helena? and only 10 Argentinians?? No other people from other parts of South America? and sorry but St Helena is another British overseas territory so it doesn t count so pretty much Chileans... wow! if you don t call that a Colony I don t know what it is then. It d probably be a country by now if it mixed up but they didn t because they wanted it to be a colony they can control and isolate. I mean I wander how many people from the Islands go travelling around S.A. not many I m guessing...
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Reyvolution
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just to be clear The British fought the Argentine government (in effect) in the early19th C?
The indigenous of Patagonia were colonized in the late 19thC by the same (in effect) Argentine state?
Whats your view on colonialism?
@77 Reyvolution “Now let South Americans have South America and manage their land and richness for them”.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too late for that I fear, you Spanish squatters killed most of them. I suppose you could do the right thing and give the few remaining their land back, and bog off back to Spain, or wherever you originated.
It's a British Overseas Territory with it's own elected government. Are you deaf or something??
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe they didn't murder enough natives to be entitled to be a separate nation like Argentina?
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Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you stop guessing and stick to facts?
I've been to South America four times. Lots of people I know have been there more often than that. You don't know anything apart from your own ignorant assumptions.
Your only argument seems to be that you should have the Falklands because you want them.
I asked you a question, and you didn't answer. How did the UK place us in the Falkland Islands?
And I can tell what we are if not a colony; we are a British Overseas Territory. we are not controlled by anyone except our own government, and we are not isolated.
Hi Boovis - I don't know if I confused you earlier, but my repy “for great justice” also come the zero wing ingrish meme, I thought it would make you laugh.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I forgot to target the rest of the response(33) more accuratly at the Malvinistas.
However, I think they should get the message.
@99 TTT - here we go again - are you now going to start bleating about how beastly we were to the Germans (yyaaawwnnn) in WW2. That will really advance your cause when talking to us. Not.
By the way- hav'nt you also attacked or invaded other people's land repeatedly, killing civilains in the process - remember the War of the triple alliance? Lots of civilians died there.
Was it all Lopez's fault? Or is it just that war is a dirty, murderous business, that is best avoided.
@ Alexi - I still think we need to be a bit more forceful. The tactic of “the big lie” is Argentina's amin weapon. Only by repeatedly ramming home the point that they are indeed lying, backed by evidence, will we be able to silence them. Unless they go for the war option.......
@82 - why are you dragging up a minor campaign from the Napoleonic wars? Unless you want us to use it to justify a claim against BA (basically we had troops on your land so we can claim it- that what you keep doing about the falklands is'nt it, referring to the military garrison in 1832-33)?
Most people over here have'nt even heard of the invasion of BA because it is considered such an insignificant event in such a big war......
You were a Spanish colony, were'nt you........................
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Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:25 pm
I find it quite difficult to understand your posts, but as I understand you are surprised that there are so few Argentines living on the Islands. I must say that 29 (not 10) are pretty few as Argentina is a neighbour. WE have had about 143 years of unimpeded immigration during which time Argenines could have gone to live in the Islands, but we did not. If we had it would be us doing the self determination bit, but WE DIDN'T, we f*cked up, it is OUR OWN FAULT.
# 73 The Faroe Islands are located near Scotland (It soon ceased to be part of UK) not England. Regarding the economy enough water, but in general the soil is poor and scarce natural resources. The economy depends mainly on fishing and related industries. I bet if there was an abundance of oil as bad as you explain, England subtly keep quiet about his opinion regarding the determination of the inhabitants of the island, as they do about the Scottish referendum.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Faroe Islands have nothing to do with the UK - they are Danish - so what are you wibbling on about now?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want an insight into the Faroes then watch Whale Wars - On Viking Shores
@113 The faroes are a self governing Danish territory. It's none of our business what they do.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bit like what happens in the Falklands is really none of yours.
I just love it - somebody mentions the words Colonialism and Argentina together - and wow!! - all the arg supporters get sooo wound up!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Truth hurts doesn,t it????????????????????
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Jun 19th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's next, are we going to claim the Faroes as well?
Well I suppose they do have a GDP per capita slightly higher than the Falklands, so I suppose that's a valid reason for making a claim.
Total, we'll only piss off Denmark, which is a poroto beside UK!!!
@106 Aaaah, yes. 1690 was too far back for you, was it? So you thought you'd start from 1823. How very clever. But, you see, we noticed. So you need to start here: http://www.falklands.info/history/history1.html
Jun 19th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll give you a clue. In the link that you so kindly provided, if you look just before the “.html” suffix, you'll find it says “history3”. This is a dead giveaway as it indicates TWO (2) preceding pages. I notice that you didn't respond intelligibly or intelligently to anything else I put forward, so you're obviously a drooling retard.
@113 As Idlehands and shb have pointed out, the Faroe Islands are Danish. That is they belong to Denmark. I thought I'd put it both ways in case you have trouble with words. As the Faroe Islands are only 160 miles from the UK but are 660 miles from Denmark, are you suggesting that we “acquire” them under the well-known argie principle of “they are closer to us than to you”. Did you notice that, like the Falkland Islands, they are self-governing? In fact, the Faroe Islands stands in much the same relation to Denmark as the Falkland Islands do to the UK. Perhaps you meant either the Orkney Islands or the Shetland Islands? I don't believe a decision has yet been made as to whether these two island groups are part of Scotland. And if the UK (England, Wales, Northern Ireland) says they aren't, what's little Scotland going to do about it? And, by the way, who says little Scotland with its 5 million people is going to split away from England, Wales and Northern Ireland with their 57 million and become a viable, independent country. If you read up on Haggis Salmond's plans, you'll see he doesn't have a clue. Like he thinks he can get a ready-made army, navy and air force by taking 9% of the UK's. The man is as demented as CFK. Even if the UK were foolish enough to agree (We won't), he'd get the crap. The soldiers with no rifles. The aircraft with one wing. The ships with a hole in the bottom!
Monkeymagic @ 105
Jun 19th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very well put. This is how I see it also. I have very little hispanic blood (one Portuguese great-great-grandmother) but am nevertheless a South American. Descendents of Scandinavian, Russian, Polish, German, British and other non-hispanic nationalities are just as South American as anyone else of European descent.
@111 shb Yes, I suppose with KFC & Co. running around the world spewing preposterous bullshit to anyone and everyone, there should be a loud voice pointing out the inconsistencies and nonsense of said bullshit.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@111
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you never hear about the British invasions of Buenos Aires simply because you lost. You can't stand losing, so you bury it under the great triumphs of South Africa, Australia, and the march on Washington DC in 1812.
The Brits simply do not accept that their army was routed twice by rag-tag civilian militia (no Spanish army there).
@113 - XAVIERV
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for making a good point. The UK respects the Faroe Islands, leaves them alone and respects their choice.
Which is EXACTLY what Argentina needs to do with the Falkland islands as opposed to its childish attempts to oppress and colonise islands that clearly to anyone who isn't a retard belong to the people of the Falkland islands.
Its a nice thought to know the UK can easily overpower Argentina and protect the Falkland's people from the corrupt, lying bully that is Argentina.
121 .. the British army has been beaten many times in skirmishes , what your point. With battles to numerous to list in our history a scrap in BA doesn't really show up on the radar. With all those years to practice and holding the defensive positions against a greater number of troops the Rgs still managed to loose the Falklands jajajajajaja only 30 years ago, still hurts doesn't it. A british soldier upon inspecting a captured rg position looking at the sheer number of troops the rgs had stated he would of died of old age if he was defending the position. Jajajaj
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@106 the Falkland islands are a territory of the UK not a colony. colony would suggest its only temporarily the UK however it is now as long as the islanders want it to be so UK include it as a territory. simple
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0comparable to Argentine territory's such as terra del fuego
or British territory of isle of wight with a few minor differences
also similar to the channel islands or isle of man and just as ready to be defended for your information
we though a war over the islands we sent troops 8000+ miles to defend the rights of this islands and are prepared to do so from now until forever more. its in our blood and or national memory. should the political party's decide that Argentina should have the Falklands they would be chaos and then a change of government. the blood has been split now. so no change Argentina sorry find another distraction
Your CommentIt was not me who brought the situation in the Faroe Islands to this discussion, but @ 73. I just an intellectual exercise which would be the position of England in regard to these islands if they have oil (as bad as I explain the views of the island forumer) and also shoulder the bipolarity of Cameron regarding the referendum in the Falklands and intended to take out in Scotland.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0121, 123 also a quote from Mercopress August 12th 2006
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has much to thank Britain for: a war which led to her independence. Furthermore, some of the British, and Irish, prisoners-of-war from 1806 and 1807 decided to stay and took part in fighting the Spanish military machine elsewhere in South America, securing the independence also of Chile, Peru and Ecuador.
and in 1982, by defeating the Junta we once again freed Argentina.
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Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Faroes do have oil, to about the same extent as the Falklands, in that it is being explored.
I don't think there is any bi-polarity with regard to the referenda of the Falklands and Scotland.
@126
Jun 19th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Complete and utter lies, end of story.
You sir, are a liar, and an ignoble, pathetic human being.
TTT
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0insulting me won't change anything ! READ IT FOR YOURSELF ..
http://en.mercopress.com/2006/08/12/buenos-aires-celebrates-routing-of-british-invasion
We except our history maybe you should except yours and move on.
Mr layback:
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well, from 1807-1807 they live whit us-
How many kids you think they have in 180 years?
I was thinking, if Malvinas is a country...why no grow like a counrty?
WHY IS LIKE A BRITISH COUNTRY CLUB ?
In 180 YEARS ONLY 1000 families?
Any neighbour in LATAM is biggest than this.....
Even Hurlingham CC has more affiliate people than they are. Even british one´s ;)
Well , I think they are british, but the land is our land....regards!
(73) Monkeymagic
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a Turnip……….
1) The Faroe Islands are NOT rich in oil and gas…….
2) Britain DOES NOT respects the Faroe islanders nor Denmark nor Iceland nor anybody else if money is involved.
Example A: Rockall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall.
Example B: Cod wars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall.
@125
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Camerons bipolarity which makes him the first British Prime Minister in 300 years to allow the Scottish the right to vote on independence.
What is hilarious is that the posters who support the Argentine position on the Falklands think 2 things:
1) the Scottish want independence
2) the English want to stop them
It is more than possible (and judging by recent polls, highly likely) that the reverse is true. The English would actually like to get rid of them.
With regards the Faroes, suggest you look at the oil exploration there, Britain has never claimed them, never will, because geographical proximity is the argument of retards.
However, as I stated earlier, Alex Salmond is basing his Scottish independence economics on North Sea oil...very little of it would he receive if the Orkney and Shetland islands remained in the Union.
An interesting thought, but the themes run true:
The Faroes are Danish as long as they want to be, and independence is theirs to choose.
Scotland is part of the UK as long as its people want to be, and indepence is theirs to choose.
The Shetland and Orkneys are part of the UK and independence or being part of Scotland is theirs to choose.
The Falkland islands are a British overseas territory, and independence, union with Argentina or the status quo is theirs to choose.
THE UNEQUIVOCAL RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION.
History is irrelevant, 1833 (even if the Argie lies were true) irrelevant, Act of Union, irrelevant, 1982 irrelevant. Chagos irrelevant.
SELF DETERMINATION..
You trully expect me to accept an editorial (by definition an opinion piece), by Mercopress (by nature an anti-Argentina news organization), as incontrvertible canon??
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you an imbecile so verily, or are you simply a sequacious charlatan? How about I provide you some UK history as expounded by the University of Tehran... No problem, correct?
The British did squat in the independence war. Their conflict with Spain was absolutely irrelevant in fostering already separatist sentiments in the new world, and Spain's armies in South America remained completely unscathed by the British. And certainly, the British did nothing to abet or foment the development (nor was it incumbent upon them to do so).
Secondly, it is yet another inverecund canard to claim it was any prisoners of wars that single-handedly determined the success of the later campaigns in South America. The vast majority of the troops Argentina sent across the Andes were Argentines, and also exiled Chileans. Similarly in campaigns mounted elsewhere.
I don't see the resemblance between the modern day Central American flags, of the Paraguayan, Uruguayan flags, and the British flag. Ocularly inspect the FIRST Chilean and Peruvian flags... You would assume if Britain was so preponderant in the era it would have inspired some manifestation of influence.
And it is an irrefragable fact the financing of such wars befell upon Argentina, which by 1830 was bankrupt from the emprise.
As for 1982, as I have said many times prior, the Falklands War was symptomatic of a falling regime, and not the trigger of a falling regime. A three year old child is aware that biting your tongue results in pain, not the reverse.
You do not accept history, as you feel the exigent need to confabulate, embellish in the extreme, and outright lie to the point of denying the sacrifices made by Argentines towards their own and others' independence.
There's a monument in Mendoza to acknowledge her role in the fighting. You insult us.
#118
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your rabid anti-scottish sentiments.
By the way, Shetlands and Orkneys are part of Scotland - not England.
I presume Cornwall will be allowed a vote to see if they want to stay part of England
As to giving us the crap ships. I think you will find that your D45's were built on the Clyde and the latest carriers are being built at Rosyth - in Fife.
I believe these places are both in Scotland. We know how to build ships.
The UK's nuclear deterrent is based in Faslane/Coulport, where in England is that. The Subs training is carried out in the Firth of Clyde ”the Perishers) and off the Isle of Skye. Live bombing ranges at Cape Wrath and Tain.
We can always send the nuclear subs. south and you can station them in the Thames. I sure you would be delighted to have the nuclear bomb dump on your premises also.
Anyway, what the hell has this got to do with the subject.
I heard on the news that CFK had tried to give Mr. Cameron a letter stating her case. He refused to accept it -politely ? No doubt more to follow.
Think
Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are clearly suffering from some sort of mental retardation. Your posts are best ignored.
@121 Is that right? We remember Isandlwana. Then there would be the American Revolutionary War. And Gallipoli. How about the First Ashanti War when the British had to retreat to Sierra Leone. Then there's the First Anglo-Afghan War when the British had to retreat. See! We know about our defeats. Unlike you argies, we don't celebrate our defeats. Like you celebrated your defeat in the Falklands War only a few weeks ago.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@125 Let's see whether I can understand you. ............................................... No, just meaningless, unintelligible drivel. Please notice that it says at the top “Comments must be in English.” That means the language. It doesn't mean “string a number of English words together and hope they make sense”.
@128 And your PROOF? British soldiers have always been greatly valued. As they know how to fight. Unlike Spaniards, Italians, argies.
@130 British people don't rut like Hispanics. British people are RESPONSIBLE. When contemplating children, they prefer to think about whether they have resources to bring the children up properly. By contrast, argies! Legs open, bent over all the time. And that's just the “males”. Oh, and your land? So come take it. Oh, we know how that works, don't we?
@131 How are you doing, Sprout? (We HATE Brussels)
You're getting funnier. Or more desperate. But you've been at this for some time now. You ain't winning. So why not admit it. One Briton is worth TEN of YOU. You hide away down in the backshit (That's the argie version of backwoods) and make up your (t)witty comments. I wonder if you've ever considered having a conversation on an adult level? But then you don't “do” adult, do you? Could that be because you don't have the intellectual depth? Very good at one-liners and links. Not so good at constructive discussion. How you doing, THUG?
I cannot be the the only poster here who thinks that of all the Malvinista posters TIT is by far and away the biggest tit.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Half of the soldiers fighting for Latin American freedom were British even if TIT doesnt acknowledge it. Chiles flagship is always called Almirante Cochrane,There are statues in Venezuela off all places to honour British troops who helped liberate South America .Where did El Libertador have political asylum until he was ready to put his plans in action.
TIT has a typical 'small penis' compensation syndrome and is not worth while wasting time on.
133 Truth_Telling_Troll
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'irrefragable' ?? I've just worked out who you remind me of;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSYiT2iG08
& 136
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You bugle...more royalist than king !
There is no any people who named British,in the history , present time..won't be in the future time..
You are English ..or...Scots...or ..Welsh...or...N.Irish...just that..
@ 136 Conqueror This will be the only reference I have towards you. Beings do not answer to the impotence and resentment of belonging to a minority will not allow you to correctly discern reality from illusion, as Nietzsche said, the enemy of the truth not lies but the convictions. I can not argue with a fundamentalist like you who do not understand reasons., Excuse me to re-address his disturbed personality is expressed in their comments.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@137
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Half the soldiers...”
Sure they were Stratehiccups.
When you prove this unequivocally, I will desist from reminding you that I kept your whole family's bellies full in WWII.
Britain exists today only at Argentina's whim.
:)
It is obvious that many of the Argentian trolls do not the history of the Faroe islands in WW2 .
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After the occupation of Denmark bythw Germans the UK occupied the islands and left post VE day.
The Faroese enjoyed the autonomy granted to them bythw British hence their status similar to a UK self governing overseas territory.
The people of the Faroes remain grateful tithe UK and enjoy UK food such as Fish and Chips and Cadbury's Dairy Milk
See Wikipedia for more
@134 While we're on the subject. “We Scots know how to WORK!” So do donkeys, and asses, and mules. And the difference between those animals and the Scottish animals is what? But they are so much better value than Scots. But then the Scots die better. And more quietly.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@142 Did you give the food to us for free? So you were profiteering? You were making money out of the deaths of British and Commonwealth armed forces? argentine SCUM!
CFK wanted to give an envelope to Cameron, he would not accept! CFK Well done! , Just to neutralize the false argument of the islanders who wanted to prove that they wanted to talk! The curtain has fallen and the islanders were not ready for the event, appeared in his underwear. Jajajaja!
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@144
Jun 19th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did the “british” fighters fight in South America for free??
They were paid or allowed to maraud, something which surely came easy to them.
I put the example of Argentina allowing Britain to “exist” in such embellished and grandiloquent language, as a reference for your side to understand how ridiculous they sound when they claim Argentina owes its independence to Britain.
In fact, there is not even a comparison there. The influence of Argentina in WWII British food supplies was greater than Britain's influence in the Argentine war of independence.
Oh, my sides.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems you “Malvinistas” can't come up with anything intelligent or intelligible. Britain received more food from the United States and Canada than argieland could EVER lay claim to having supplied. So argieland hasn't done anything meaningful in the last hundred years. In fact, argieland hasn't BEEN anything meaningful in the last hundred years. Here's a thought. Why don't we DESTROY argieland? Is there any purpose to argieland? Does it perform any useful purpose? Apart from showing every other country in the world what not to be like!
Jun 19th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The English hooligans haunted to South America !
Jun 19th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bipolar UK PM David Cameron is lost.. to be a good leader he needs to say the facts about Yacimientos Petroliferos Fiscales located in km.3, Comodoro Rivadavia, Chubut belongs to my country Argentina since the petroleum discovery in 1902.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I repeat, former argentine president Carlos Menen did the biggest mistake selling YPF and Aerolineas Argentinas to Spain, and to resume diplomatic relations with the UK...for what?
Argentina legally has rights to own YPF again. As long Carlos Slim, acquired 8.4% ( 228,000,000 US millons) of the Oil & Gas YPF SA means good business.
@148
Jun 19th, 2012 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Assuming your premise (which I do not), eliminating England twice from the World cup in the last 20 years or so is more than enough than satisfy the “useful purpose” for a country clause...
Ask the French, Germans, Spanish, Italians, Irish, Scottish, Australians, Welsh, and about 80% of the rest of the world that are always in the gratitude of Argentina when we knock you out of World Cups in the knock-outs.
hahahahaha
& 150
Jun 19th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0change your tactic...
don't pretent an Argentine from US...
be a Scot / Welsh/N.Irish..of course first you have to search anythings from internet/media ...
“The translator was struggling to catch up with her comments, but British sources characterised her response as ”ramblings about Spanish headlines, the UN and the Malvinas“. At this point she produced her envelope. British officials said Cameron had been right to reject the envelope since proper diplomatic channels existed.”
Jun 19th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is that, CFK incoherently rambling and not able to deal with being put on the spot. Oh blow me over!
I see big David has told the botox
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0David Cameron, PM to a nuclear-armed, warmonger country that once ruled over half of the world, is accusing Argentina of colonialism for daring call for negotiations regarding the FI sovereignty. Why the fear, why the histrionics? What is that I smell? Is it -- the scent of national decline?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She pulled out some random envelope and mutter about a Spanish headline. One of her entourage pulled out a hand-held camera. I imagine they are now rapidly trying to edit it to cover up the fact that she could not come up with any coherent reply to being told as it is.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There you go Argies. Your president does not even have the skill to formulate an adequate reply when being called to account on an issue she apparently is passionate about. She could have said “Stop”, “Halt” or something similar in an Iberian dialect to try to wrestle control of the situation but she was unable to even do that.
A weak president for a weak nation.
@134 Clyde15 (#)
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 19th, 2012 - 06:54 pm
Clyde. Seriously bloke, try to ignore conk. He hasn't taken his pills.
Incoherent ramblings from an Argentinian Gargoyle at the G20.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Incoherent ramblings from Argentinians trolls on the internet.
Interesting.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British political elite previously regarded Argentina's claim on the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich islands and surrounding maritime spaces as a nuisance to be rebutted through diplomacy.
What if these direct confrontations by Argentina's leadership shift British defense policy to one of active military consideration of Argentina as the #1 enemy of the British state?
Argentina may well be biting off more than it can chew. Brazil might well conclude it would be too.
What then?
@159 Domingo (#)
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:28 pm
Another question might be, what if the FI chose by referendum to become Argentinian? Would Argentina and the chair of the C24 recognise the result then?
It is all academic and military force is not something anybody wants to consider. The positions will not change.
Yes, agreed.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thus, it leads to the question: Is Argentina intentionally provoking the British to take a hard line and if so, what is the end game?
If there was a new FI war, its outcome would be different from that of the previous one: this has been admitted even by British officials. And if the UK tries to solve the issue by parading its nuclear weapons, this would be widely seen as desperation and as a sign of the decline of Britain's conventional arsenal. Moreover, both Argentina and Brazil master the nuclear fuel cycle -- they can respond to British attempts to nuclearize the area.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 155 you wish lol and check your history one fourth of the worlds landmasses and one fourth of the worlds population once called them self British
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not half lol were not that good .... yet
what our PM is stating is Argentina's desire to claim the Falklands would make the Falklands a colony of Argentina. so long as its present population does not want to be part of Argentina. and it is very understandable that they do not thanks to a conflict that happened on there island where they temporarily became a colony of Argentina
I wouldn't describe us as war mongering. as we are presently not at war
Uk doesn't have any problems we have no issue with the Falklands, argentina does we dont simple.
if your “What is that I smell? Is it -- the scent of national decline?” that can only be coming from around you and argentina and post 156 beef proves it
“A weak president for a weak nation.” here here
@162 Forgetit86 (#)
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:36 pm
Don't flatter yourselves. When Argentina becomes a nuclear threat to the UK, the UK will become a nuclear threat to Argentina. That is the nature of nuclear detterence. We have a conventional detterent strategy for the Falkland Islands. True the UK could not mount a task force like they did in 1982 but so long as we can keep the Argentine military off our territory we won't have to.
Oh Jesus, Tabutos, this is pure Orwellianism. Are you also going to accuse the Chagossians of being wannabe colonists because they're fighting to get their islands back -- the ones Britan kicked them out from to harbour a US military base?
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However the UK and the Falklands are willing to discuss with Argentina issues of common interest such as fisheries, oil and communications.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like we said, the British just want to be friends,
Please David, change the record, be more aggressive with them . [growl ]
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I forggotty,
Yes the next conflict will be different,
Have you never heard of a con , entrapment , bluff ,
No obviously not .
@165 Forgetit86 (#)
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:40 pm
What exactly is the link between the Chagosians and the Falkland Islands situation as engineered by Argentina? Apart from being an irrelevant points scoring excercise on the part of the Malvinistas.
@162.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think there is no danger that Great Britain would nuclearise the area. The British respect the rules of war. Weapons of mass destruction can only be used when threatened or attacked by weapons of mass destruction. Argentina does not possess them nor would it be allowed to have them. In addition the effectiveness of the British weapons are designed to defeat the best technology of the Russians and Chinese. Thus why would Argentina risk so much to threaten the UK with nuclear attack with primitive first generation nuclear weapons?The Argentina nuclear threat is not credible. Absolute nonsense.
Thus the British would never use their nuclear weapons against Argentina or even conventional weapons.
Neither Argentinian nor British Leadership would ever countenance such a stupid escalation. Rather they shall restrict their disagree to a war of words and ideas. No more.
The only reason for the British to fight the Argentinians is if the Argentinians attack the British.
Forget it - please explain how Argentina would be able to consider military intervention. To do so would require sufficient military hardware in terms of volume and quality. It also requires capable human resources. Argentina is wanting in all departments.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The defenses in the islands could down every aircraft and sink every ship you have a number of times over.
Just forget it and get used to sweeping the floor.
@165 + 167
Jun 19th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that it the point. Forgetit86 wants us all to believe the the situations are the same and the Falkland islanders should be removed so Argentina can have them as i continue point out Argentina has done far worse during there dirty war with it self blah blah
no political party in the UK would survive losing the Falklands. there would be riots, chaos and a quick change of government. blood was split over the islands and we don't forget blood so easy.
@166
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British and FI want to discuss ARGENTINE TERRITORIAL waters, and get concessions from us there.
That is as confrontational as Argentina wanting to discuss the Falklands themselves.
Britain insisting on fishing and environmental negotiations is agressive.
The best course would be to understand we won't sit down ever again with the Falkland Islands over any of the topics they wish to discuss which involve them having a say in OUR territory.
The difference between a British PM and an Argie president is that the PM is challenged on issues by aggressive opposition, the media and the electorate every day. It is part of our democratic system. How long would CFK last in something like PMQs? That would be fun to watch :-)
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@171, Truth Telling Troll.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a fool. If the British chose to be aggressive, Argentina shall know all about it.
Right now the British Leadership and diplomats are addressing the issue as softly softly as possible. They are avoiding public scrutiny and defusing nationalist sentiment in the British public.
At the same time, I suspect their policy is shifting; reconciliation with Argentina shall appear unachievable, thus British policy shall shift that which is achievable. The British are, if nothing else, a practical people.
Should that ever change,
@173
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Short of total war, in which case they would lose all credibility on this planet for 50 years, they can't do anything. Don't ennoble yourself.
The best solution is a break in formal relations. I'm frankly sick both the Argentine government making this issue their personal obsession and of British hubris against us, by people such as yourself.
I am not impressed with the constant preening of “British character and diplomacy”. The only people that hold themselves to such toplofty regard are the British themselves.
@171
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That should work, just so long as everyone understands what an Argentinian fish is.
@175
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your waters, Falklands waters. Catch whatever is within those waters. Simple as that.
Your deliberate frivolity betokens the practical transparency of the matter.
Truth_Telling_Troll
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As again , your version or no version,
As we have told you before, [quietness astounds]
Britain only wants to be friends, and that is a matter of public record,
now about this aggression, which is not public record, but your version .of it .
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The British and FI want to discuss ARGENTINE TERRITORIAL waters, and get concessions from us there.
That is as confrontational as Argentina wanting to discuss the Falklands themselves.
Britain insisting on fishing and environmental negotiations is aggressive.
[just so you don’t think we are picking on you, or calling you a liar,
[OK, now prove it,]
@177
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Discussions about Fishing and environmental matters, when the initial condition set by one side is “we won't talk about our territory, we manage our fisheries as we please, let's only talk about how you manage them” is a non-starter.
Only intelligent people with common sense can see this fact which means most people here on the Falkland Islands “side” of the argument cannot.
@174. As I said, you are a fool Truth Telling Troll.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British think they are willing to be reasonable. The constant Argentinian confrontation shall be interpreted by the British that there is nothing to be gained.
Thus I ask: Is it's Argentina's strategy to provoke the British Leadership?
If so, my feeling is they shall respond in public with diplomatic probity, whist in private accept they must plan for the worst. Something they had perhaps decided not to do.
@178
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The key to understanding this logic is that the semantics of words such as “discussion” and “negotiation” are different in Argentina.
139 Max
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You bugle...more royalist than king !
There is no any people who named British, in the history , present time..won't be in the future time..
ENGLISH please, its all gobertygoop.
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178 , sadly you seem to be the only intelligent one,
But it does not answer the question set by you,
Please prove we wanted your territory
Thank you .
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@179
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, guess what, they are not being reasonable. And the only opinion that matters in that case is the Argentine position, since it is the other side in any hypothetical negotiation on the matters “they” wish to discuss . If we don't think discussing our territorial waters and fisheries is reasonable, tough luck.
@180
Perhaps. I think in this case both sides (British government and Argentine government), don't understand the concept.
@181
Everytime you ask to put our fisheries and territorial waters in a negotiating table, that is enough proof.
If the FI stop asking to have a say in our fisheries, then one can say they (you) stop having pretentions on our territory.
@179 Domingo (#)
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:32 pm
Agreed. Only a fool would not plan for the worst in this situation. I suspect very strongly that the British general staff are meeting weekly in not daily to discuss any situation that could arise, any angle that has not been covered anything that might have been missed. They will plan for every eventuality except the possibility of an act of armed aggression against anybody, not just Argentina.
My worry is that the Argentine general staff are meeting every week, if not every day to try to figure out how they can get the British to do something, erm? Military against Argentina whilst covering up their own involvement. Thereby making the British look like the aggressor.
Fortunately I suspect that the British general staff will have been thinking about this eventuality at great length which why we have 'Rules of Engagement'. These rules are designed to counter 'brinkmanship'. Brinkmanship is what this Argentine administration is practicing. They are trying to engineer another military confrontation in such a way that it looks like the British started it. The British are countering this and trying very hard to avoid another war.
@182
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what if (purely hypothetically of course) some wicked pirates were to scoop up all the proto-Argentinian fish coming down from Brazil before they ever reached Argentinian territorial waters and gained their blue and white stripes?
Argentina would have nothing to say on the matter?
@184
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct.
Every time you ask to put our fisheries and territorial waters in a negotiating table,
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
So let me get this correctly,
The Falklands have NO territorial waters, and neither do the British,
and thus, then, this means that argentina then owns and has sovereignty over the whole of the south Atlantic, from the south of brazil, all the way down to the Antarctic ocean,
[Is this correct]
And when these Falklanders, ask or demand, a bit of your water, its aggressive,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
None none,,,,,,,,
Lets look again at this shall we,
First of the British Falklands, have there own territorial waters, [is this not true]
And so does argentina,,, then beyond these limits is international waters, [is this then not true]
So between Argentinean waters, and the Falklands waters, is international waters, [is this what you are arguing over]
@186
Jun 19th, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You did not get it correctly.
One thought one may say that .
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0time tea , we think .
@185
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And let's go even further and say that over-fishing made the entire fish population unviable. Still got nothing to say?
@189
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct. That's what happens when sides hold intransigent views, extreme things tend to happen due to lack of communication and engagement.
This is what the Falklanders wish, btw. No contact with Argentina. No contact means no contact.
The South Atlantic has no fisheries agreement and will have no fisheries agreement in the forseeable future. It is Argentina's fault for insisting on islands it cannot capture at this time, and it is the British fault for having such a poor track record of inspiring trust when it comes to territorial matters.
@182. As I said, you are a fool Truth Telling Troll.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British exercise sovereignty over their own territory, which is merely claimed to be Argentinian, with no actual de facto jurisdiction. It is laughable and diplomats laugh at Argentina's expense.
The reality is that Argentina is a mere effete poodle barking at a tough British bulldog.
It is an interesting aspect of Argentine political psychology that Argentina imagines Brazil to be its powerful ally rather than acting in its own interests, whist Brazil knows it cannot gain from direct military confrontation with Great Britain and actually seeks access to British and through British Patronage, American high technology through treaty.
In the same vein, the British do not fear the Brazilians in any way. They would expect to defeat Brazil in any war over the Falklands in short order. The Brazilian Leadership also expect their own defeat and would fear British retribution which would be direct and actually their own policy favors engagement with the British for their own self interest, not least a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.
This also requires the incumbent to actually enforce UN Security Council resolutions, as the British have done at great cost to themselves with the U.S.A. for the rule of law and the principles of the U.N. Charter. Something the Brazilians are yet to come to terms with.
Thus Argentine posturing is based on many a false premise.
@190
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The interesting thing about the fisheries issue is that it is precisely the kind of low-level functional confidence-building measure that an intelligent, solution-oriented government would seize upon to promote communication and engagement. But what a surprise, extreme fuck-wittedeness prevails.
It is Argentina's fault [full stop]
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you just wont admit, that it is CFK greed, and nothing else, that has caused all this,
the islands will remain british,
unless you know differently .
@191
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your exalting excursions are utterly irrelevant to the point at hand. No one cares about your self-delusions of greatness Domingo. Please spare the keyboard abuse.
I was not talking about Falkland Island waters, which you can reap or rape as you wish. I'm talking about Argentine waters which are not what my government “claims” to be theirs. I'm talking about waters off Mar del Plata for example.
That is what the British and FI want to discuss, and the simple answer is no.
Please, Britain can't even win over some Al-Qaeda cavemen in Iraq. I don't know ehere are you from, Domingo -- by your screen name, it seems you're Latin American. If that is the case, I can only manifest sadness that a fellow continental is rimming the British butt the way you do, reducing the complex interplay of factors, including the UK's floundering economy, to jingoistic British slogans. The UK is going to the dogs, even the British recognize this. It's about time you change your choice for masters.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0195 Forgetit87
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you think CFK could do any better talking to these Al-Qaeda cavemen in Iraq, please try.
in the mean time,
britain may have problems,,
but the fact is, if you or argentina or CFK thought you could do anything ,
you would have done it by now,
but alas, as you argies say,
we only want to talk.
so talk away .
@briton
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South Americans are a peace-loving people. We don't invent false excuses to start unnecessary wars against unprepared foreign nations -- we don't need wars to shore up nationalistic feeling; quite the contrary, we pride ourselves on our tolerance and respect for other nations' sovereignty. That is the only reason you won't see a war commenced by a South American against a foreign nation in the years to come.
@194. As I said, you are a fool Truth Telling Troll.
Jun 19th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British and FI want to discuss nothing; they mere hope against reason that discussing less contentious issues they can build foundations to eventual make some small progress on the contentious issues with the Argentine Leadership.
HansNielsund @192 is most perceptive. Unfortunately for his efforts, Truth Telling Troll, he suffers inferior and quite contrarian witless ornery is lugubrious riposte. Of which, you are most exemplary.
@198
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0”The British and FI want to discuss nothing; they mere(ly) hope against reason taht discussing...“
Don't trick yourself trying to trick me. You can't anyway.
”he suffers inferior and quite contrarian witless ornery is lugubrious riposte”
Staggering much in your emulous attempts?
More signs of British decline:
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0See what now passes for a beautiful women in Britain:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2124246/Samantha-Brick-downsides-looking-pretty-Why-women-hate-beautiful.html
@197 “ South Americans are a peace-loving people.”
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's why Argentina is bullying a population of 3,000 instead of talking to them.
OK, whatever, your ideas of peace are what others call aggressive, bullying behaviour. If the UK forces were not on the Falkland Islands the Argentines would invade the Islands. Just like 1982.
A leopard never changes its spots.
“A leopard never changes its spots”
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bad news for Britain, and any other European nation.
150 Sussie US
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you continue to open your mouth and spout nonsense? Go back to your sewing and knitting and shut up. Were you educated in Argentina?< yes I think so, out of all the trolls on this site, you are certainly the most retarded.
@ 109 Idlehands
Jun 20th, 2012 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Maybe they didn't murder enough natives to be entitled to be a separate nation like Argentina?”
Perhaps you hit on the real reason why Argentina won't recognize the Falkland Islanders.
To truly belong to South America you have to butcher at least 20 percent of the native population. As there were no indigenious people on the islands to kill, the islanders don't qualify.
@142 TTT - you really make me laugh. Bloody hell, you actually think that Argentina is the centre of the universe.....what gobsmackingly hilarious nonsense - so we owe out live and victory in ww2 to corned beef imports........
Jun 20th, 2012 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought it was mostly down to food, and weapons from the usa, having the USSR fight the majority of the German army and having the tenacity to hold on in 1940-41 when most of the world thought we were going down......
I repeat again - although I have read about the defeats of the british army in BA in the Napoleonic wars, as a campaign they are lost in the sweep of a world wide war- we tend to look to the pennisula campaign and the battles in europe- simply because they involved far more people. I will grant you that defeats in any nations history tend to get glossed over. If the Invasions had succeeded, they would have been held up as examples of aggressive applications of seapower.
The fact that the local people and militia were responsible for defence does'nt alter the fact that you were a spanish territory. However, that same defence, without spains help was one of the things that led towards your independence.
@197 - what total claptrap.
it keeps surprising me how little the Argies know....
Jun 20th, 2012 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Disappointment to a supposed democratic republic.....
keep shooting yourself in the foot
YES TO SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE!!!
Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@207
Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0If that is what Scotland decide then so be it.
If the Falkland Islanders decide to be independent of Argentina then so be it.
@207 Yes to the United Kingdom of England, Northern Ireland (Wales is a principality) and the Falkland Islands as a permanent member of the UN Security Council! Now, that should really inflame anti-Anglo sentiment.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0As an Australian who follows this topic and has visited the Falkland Islands I have seen first hand the determination of the islanders not to ever allow their country to become part of Argentina. The UK Government's strong line on self determination is to be applauded.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0However it seems to me that in doing so, the UK Government and the islanders themselves are neglecting the other half of the argument, which is the history of the competing sovereignty claims. Even the most basic research, which I have done, exposes the Argentinian claims to be very weak indeed in comparison to the British claims, and yet I rarely see anything substantial coming from either London or Stanley that makes it clear that Argentina never actually owned the islands in the first place and that thier claim to do so is almost entirely without foundation.
Upholding the right of self determination, while laudable, is by itself not enough- Argentinians simply respond (with some logic) with “ OK we know the islanders views about who they want to be, but that doesn't change the fact that the islands belonged to us first and still do”. So until the utter fabrication of Argentinian ownership prior to 1833 is strongly refuted and a more balanced view of history promoted, the argument cannot be won in the international community (I am not suggesting it could ever be won in Argentina itself) on the self determination aspect alone.
This is the best roundup of the British sovereignty claims - it has only just come out (May 2012)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandshistory.org/sites/default/files/false-falklands-history.pdf
Britain Overseas Territories want to be British. It has no colonies that don't want to be colonies, this shows self determination at work. Argentina want to take the falklands and re-colonise it, turfing out existing islanders or forcing 'argentine lifestyle and practices on them.. this is not self determination!
Jun 20th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Musky
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nope Musky you will became a AOT (Argentine Overseas Territory)
Is just one letter change that's all.
What about AOP? Cool isn't it?
The Falklands could be handed to Argentina without condemning the Falkland Islanders to poverty and purgatory under the Argentine yolk. Give Argentina complete sovereignty on just one condition. The condition being a binding, internationally supervised and policed subsequent independence referendum for the Falkland Islanders immediately following the transfer of sovereignty. That way Argentina could have the Falklands... albeit for about an hour, or however long it takes 3000 people to vote and those votes to be counted. Who knows though, the Falkland Islanders might vote to be part of Argentina .... LOL
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0197 Forgetit87 (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0South Americans are a peace-loving people. We don't invent false excuses to start unnecessary wars against unprepared foreign nations -- we don't need wars to shore up nationalistic feeling; quite the contrary, we pride ourselves on our tolerance and respect for other nations' sovereignty.
Forgetty
No disrespect mate,
But that the biggest load of bollix and doctorial remark ive ever heard since,
Old adolf, Hitler stated that he only wanted peace,
Once again bollix to the extreme
TTT
Your good
But you aint that good,
Double standard questions loaded with distraction remark,
Typical old school, just standard stuff,
Is it not .
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@197
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We know all to well about your peace loving attitudes don't we Mr Forget?
#144
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I now know who you are - Sun reader and white van man from Essex
Can you enlighten us with any more of your bile and crap?
I am beginning,reluctantly, to think that some of the Argie posters have more sense than you
Thank God that the bulk of the population in England are a bit less paranoic than you.
@144
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought you were a patriot Mr Conq? Insulting your fellow countrymen is no way to go about things .
@194
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm talking about waters off Mar del Plata for example. That is what the British and FI want to discuss, and the simple answer is no.”
I can accept that burials at sea lend a special sensitivity to certain areas.
@190 TTT
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“This is what the Falklanders wish, btw. No contact with Argentina. No contact means no contact. ”
No, this is what you want. I would like to have contact with Argentina - friendly contact based on commerce and co-operation. We are willing now and have been in the past.
“The South Atlantic has no fisheries agreement and will have no isheries agreement in the forseeable future.”
It wasn't us that tore up the fisheries and oil agreements. Argentina believed that by doing so you could have it all Better to accept that this isn't going to happen.
@210 Justthefacts
“I rarely see anything substantial coming from either London or Stanley that makes it clear that Argentina never actually owned the islands in the first place and that thier claim to do so is almost entirely without foundation.”
With idiots like Reyvolution telling people that the British landed 2000 implanted pirates from a frigate in 1833, I think the Argentines are doing the job for us. More seriously, I think there is much mileage in the saying “the lady protests too much”. Sensible people become suspicious when outrageous facts are screeched from the rooftops.
@ 214 Alexei
“The Falklands could be handed to Argentina without condemning the Falkland Islanders to poverty and purgatory under the Argentine yolk”
I would give you two years to get over the novelty of strutting around our streets and making us drive on the right. Then you would lose interest, go back to sunnier climes and let this place disintegrate into a rural slum of which there are many examples in Argentina.
No thanks, I prefer things as they are.
@182 TTT
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously how paranoid are you. in 1999 we had a fisheries agreement (amongst other things but that's the relevant part) about stock conservation thats was mutually beneficial until the mad Kirchners got in power and tore it up. It was nothing to do with trying to control your waters, we both agreed to put some measures in place to ensure sustainability of fisheries. The Falklands have lived up to their end of the deal and continue to do so.
#207
Jun 20th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you live in Scotland you will have a vote regardless of your ethnic origin - English Polish Irish Welsh etc.
Now, if you wish to continue in this manner, find another place to post your opinions that have nothing to do with the subject.
There is nothing wrong with the UK apart from our present government.
I have lived under many more than you !
@222
Jun 20th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignore them Clyde they no nothing other then the crap thats they pick up in the media and in particularly the film Braveheart which is one of the most false and inaccurate films of all time.
@221
Jun 20th, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paranoia is based on unreasonable suspicion. As another Brit eloquently expressed
“A leopard never changes its spots”
I invite you to revise the history of EUROPEAN nations in regards to treaties signed with peoples of the New World (or with societies outside of Europe in general). It is appalling and shockingly depraved, over a span of hundreds of years. You expect Argentina to blithely trust such track record of turpitude? Thus I must oppugn you placing the onus on us.
If you do not believe me, ask Briton. He was objective enough to quote the history of treaties between the “Old” world and other latitudes.
203 Zhivago
Jun 20th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no word in the 2,500 english language that will DEGRADE ME.
YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO IGNORE MY COMMENTS.
@ TTT -As I mentioned on another thread - You are still touting this nonsense? Have you ever heard of territory being taken through fisheries conservation???!!!
Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please leave your house and enlighten yourself with the real world instead of this dark world you live in - where the UK and possibly the world is plotting to snatch territory from Argentina through fishing conservation and cooperation.
& 225
Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0change your name ..
@226
Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it is possible. One violation by Argentina of such hypothetical treaty would be an invitation to sanctions by the UK (surely with the help of allies), which de facto would be the use of intimidation to chasten or discipline the country into altering its behavior WITHIN ITS TERRITORY.
That is de facto a loss of sovereignty.
And there are cleverer ways to even gain further from a treaty.
@228 How come the UK or FIG didn't propose sanctions when the previous agreement on fishing etc were torn up?
Jun 20th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have never heard of sanctions against countries who choose to no longer cooperate with others over fishing/environment etc.. as you state the territorial waters are for the country they belong to - to decide how to manage them.
All the FI's want to do is work in partnership to preserve and increase fish stocks to the benefit of both countries. Argentina and the FI would be free to leave such a partnership at any time with no consequences.
@229
Jun 20th, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because they were “agreements” to communicate and exchange information. There was no formal treaty.
OH [TTT]
Jun 20th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How very nasty or courageous of you to mention a great.
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Still back on track,
Allow me to help you out,
I invite you to revise the history of EUROPEAN nations in regards to treaties signed with peoples of the New World (or with societies outside of Europe in general). It is appalling and shockingly depraved, over a span of hundreds of years. You expect Argentina to blithely trust such track record of turpitude?
If you do not believe me, ask Briton. He was objective enough to quote the history of treaties between the “Old” world and other latitudes
What I said was quoted from sources below,
And I stand by my opinion, [otherwise no point in making one]
Yes the Europeans did treat native very badly, and conned them out of many things,
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Then after all things had subsided enough, to allow millions of European immigrants to arrive in the Americas, [and other parts of the world]
Argentina, like others are a basic product, of European expansion,
Some ignore the past, [nothing to do with us]
But considering argentina [under CFK ]has bartered and broken treaties like bread,
It would be unfair to condemn the past, when today, CFK is doing exactly the same thing,
And make you in some ways worse, as a 21st century democracy should know better, and should have learned from her past,
[Argies aint the only ones][but who we are talking abt]
[LIST OF TREATIES ]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_treaties
it may help you,
no one is perfect, but we can but try .
[Briton 2012]
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@230
Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what's the problem with “agreements” then?
225 Sussie US
Jun 20th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0slida!
@223 Zhivago
Jun 20th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahaha
The UK (20 June 2012) news report of the 'meeting' and the TFI issue has been posted on YouTube:
Jun 21st, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbcFv5boO1k&feature=youtube_gdata
Has anybody got more substantial footage of the actual President-PM meeting?
@210 Justthefacts (#)
Jun 21st, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:34 am
If only it were that simple. I wouldn't want to inflict it on you but if you were to trawl through these pages you'll see that those arguments have been done to death. You might be right about the UKG making more of it though and call the Argentine government out. Not only on their version of history but the way it is rammed down every Argentine school childs throat thereby perpetuating the myth and of course the conflict that it brings.
Now I am not saying that the Malvinistas are liars, I don't think it is that simple. They genuinly believe what they are saying is true and that the FI and the UK are lying to them instead. It has even led me to question if what I know as the truth really is true but there is nothing I can find to refute it. Malvinistas have blind faith, we have verifiable facts. You can ignore facts and you can't argue with blind faith.
So it all boils down to the right to self determination. It trumps everything.
I guess we are having a Scott Engländer argument here.
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0ha ha
@TTT
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm just talking about good practice between neighbors. How can you question the blame I assign with the 99 agreement? The only part of that agreement that Argentina have upheld is the weekly LAN flight being allowed through their airspace (originally we were also allowed charter flights but not any more), which they constantly threaten us with the romoval of. The Falklands has held up every part of the deal so the blame is with either the current government and Nestor or, if you prefer, with Menem for signing the agreement in the first place.
#172 ”How long would CFK last in something like PMQs? That would be fun to watch :-)”
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed it would! She'd tear the right wing opposition to shreds and have the others eating out of her hand =) Bring it on =)
#214 An interesting idea. One to negotiate??
Think #131
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps Rockall should be a self-governing territory.
The C24 could judge its decolonised status.
Smile.
No, you know quite well the rationales: marine and offshore resources.
Rockall was a 'de novo' claim,
and the Icelandic extended EEZ was an argument about historic rights and changed access.
A bit off beam, old chap, I'd say.
Unfortunatelly, this is evident that cameron still doesn't realise about how rediculous he is when he accuses argentina of colonialism, especially if he comes from a country which still has 10 of the 16 colonial enclaves of the world under it's sovereignty, and at the same time it rejects to resume the negotiations like the u. n and most int. comunity ask. If he deffends the right to self determination for the islanders, he should have said in his statement that the u. n has never expressed that the only one solution for this conflict is the transference of sovereignty to arg., in fact all the resolutions have called the two nations to resume the negotiations anf find a peaceful solution only, and no more, it means that if the islanders want to remain under british government, arg. won't be able to change that, but it doesn't mean that both countries can't find a fair solution for the sovereignty which is the main conflict, and omitted too the fact that the decolonization committee has always considered this cause, like a particular colonial situation, and never applied the right to self determination for this case, like it did for others colonial situations. Respecting the so called protectionism, his hipocresy won't let him recognize that all the nations are protectionist, and it's the right thing to do, because they need to protect their industries. Beside, he omits that in 2011, arg. was the second economy of the g. 20 which more increased it's imports, what kind of execive protectionism is it?. He just made very partial analysis about all those issues, like most politicians do. Respecting the nationalization of ypf, he didn't say a word about the lack of inverstments by repsol, anyway our government commited serious mistakes too along these years, but the nationalization was necesary, because ypf''s privatization was one the worst remoras of the neoliberalism decade, and obviouslly cameron didn't say anything about it either.
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@241
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I have explained to your fellow Argentine commentator's Mr Axel, your the one's who are being hypocritical about Colonialism. You were created by it and so you are in no position to complain. Don't like colonialism?, pack your bags and return to your continent of origin i.e. Europe, Asia, middle east etc. As you are on stolen lands were as the Falkland Islanders aren't.
Arg: “WE HATE COLONIALISM, UK OUT OF MALVINAS!!!”
UK: “You were created by colonialism.”
ARG “THAT'S DIFFERENT!!!”
LatAm natives: Europeans out of South America!!!
Arg: What?Who?
UK/natives: You!!!
If the Falkland Islands referendum indicates any opening, Argentina initiatives that might prompt an interest in negotiation by the Falkland Islands could include (but not limited to):
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Removing its Malvinas First Transitional Provision clause from constitution;
2. Expressing willingness for tri-partite Argentina-Britain-Falklands negotations;
3. Removing all embargoes (ie, food, shipping, flights, etc) from Falklands;
4 Join with the Falklands in conservation of all fish stocks and environmental impacts of marine oil exploration.
Anything else?
Extended time offer ARG flag waiving, Jamaican protectorate with share administration with Gabon Oriental and Bolivians as Economist advisers.
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still good one, limited time offer only available for FI, Georgias and surrendered area.
@244 - So Dany.
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is going to waive it's own flag? As in to lose the right to use it?
The verb WAIVE has 2 senses:
1. do without or cease to hold or adhere to
2. lose or lose the right to by some error, offense, or crime
Strange move there, but given the current state of Argentina, probably wise.
You talk about surrender. Just who is Argentina going to surrender to? Chile? Brazil? Uruguay? I would say British, but we really wouldn't want you.
Never mind, Dany, I'm sure that some other South American country will take over the running of Argentina, and you may even get a decent government for a change.
Since Argentina's constant failures makes you want to waive the use of your flag, Dany, perhaps you could reinvent the country. Give it a different name and flag, and perhaps where your creditors come calling they won't recognise you as Argentina, and you can wipe the shame you feel of being Argentinian away.
Dany, Dany, you really are pathetic, fortunately most Argentines aren't as deluded as you, and even the majority of Malvinistas and Argtards can put together better arguments.
Fact one: Argentina only wants the Falkland because of the potential wealth around them
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fact Two: Britain never deployed people to make a claim to the islands.
Fact three: Pioneering travellers were the first people to settle the Falkland Islands. It just happens that many were of English , Scottish and Welsh origin but many others came from other Countries.
Fact Four: The settlers of that period did not remove any indigenous people because none existed.
Fact Five: Argentines on the other hand killed or removed an entire population of indigenous people from land that today is known as Argentina.
Fact Six: Argentine Politicians are the only ones wanting to claim the Falkland Islands.
Fact Seven: The majority of Argentine ordinary citizens are not interested in the Falklands Islands but are forced to publically state they are by their governing dictators .
Fact Eight: There are several Argentine families living on the Islands and some have a history of living here for a very long time.
Fact Nine: That South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands were never claimed , Owned or challenged by France or Spain but was added by the Greedy Argentines.
Fact Ten: These Islands were discovered by an Englishman Captain John Davis in 1592 and was settled by the British at Port Egmont before the French settled at Port Louis.
Fact eleven: The people of the Falkland Islands will always have the right to determine their own future as laid down in the united nations charter.
Fact Twelve: We wish to remain British period.
Get used to it Argentina. One Day the rest of the world will see your Country for what it really is .
@239 Kirchner would'nt stand a chance in a real debate. The rest of her cabinet would be torn to shreds in no time - just look at how that retard Timmerman behaves.
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@247 shb (#)
Jun 24th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 23rd, 2012 - 09:03 pm
Well if her last encounter with that bloody Tory DC is anything to go by it would go something like this........
........ahem.....
DC. Madame President, the Falkland Islanders have the right to self determination as laid down UN charter.
KFC. Mumble mumble, migrating birds mumble mumble potatoes mumble mumble turnips mumble mumble pirate usurpers mumble mumble every body knows mumble mumble give peace a chance mumble mumble UK is finished mumble mumble geography mumble mumble. And here is a letter to prove it! Malvina son Argentinas!!!!!!!!
@ LEPRecon
Jun 24th, 2012 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok Lepre don't get upset we will include Pakistan too to make you feel more at home.
Can you see that after all I have some feelings!
Don't thank me please, is just the less I could do to make comfortable a friend like you.
At Last we are starting to get somewhere. Argentines actually admitting to a part of the Falklands bieng British. Article comments http://en.mercopress.com/2012/06/20/argentina-s-diplomatic-circus?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=aviso_comentarios#comments. That could be the chink in their armour that finally opens the door to reality of just where we belong. Port egmont was the seat of the British government over the whole of the Falland Islands so by their own admission the Falklands is a British territory.
Jun 24th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentines keep rattling on about Britain steeling land particularily the Falklands. Yet they never make notes of the very fact that every square inch of what is Argentina today was stolen from an indigenous people. I would like to know why this is.
For the sake of world peace drop these stupid claims to what at the end of the day actually belongs to the people who live on the Islands. The ones who at every level the Argentines have refused to recognise exist just as they did to the indigineous peopl of that country.
Honesty and truth always prevail and as history shows Falkland Islanders are truthful and peaceful to the whole world including their bullying neighbour.
The hard fact of life is that when this issue is finally put to bed. Argentina will still have to live with her past and our people will live on through the passage of time period
@249 - Dany.
Jun 24th, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0As usual you make little sense, but do you still want to waive the Argentine flag?
I'm not sure where Pakistan comes into this, but since you're afraid of the big bad muslim people, it's best that you don't go there.
The day the Argentines gain sovereignty over the Falklands will be the day Satan is skating to work.
Argentina is economically finished Dany, because people like you allow corrupt officials to constantly rob and rape the country, and then don't do anything to fix the problems. It takes hard work to make a country successful, which is why I suspect that Argentina never will be. Too many of you looking for the easy fix.
Well Dany, you reap what you sow, and all Argentina is reaping lately is sh!t because you voted in (and I use that term loosely considering the amount of people who were paid to vote) a sh!t government.
That's why people like you hold onto the 'Malvinas' myth, to take you're mind off just how crap your life is.
@LEPRecon
Jun 25th, 2012 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“but since you're afraid of the big bad muslim people, it's best that you don't go there”
Why you say that Bro?
As-salam alaikum!
@252 - Dany.
Jun 25th, 2012 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wa 'alaykum salaam
You always mention muslims, Dany, one would think that you were either obsessed with them, afraid of them, or both obsessed and afraid. I wonder which one it is.
Allah Akbar!
Allmost ehausted reading all the comments recently posted on this site but it has been very interesting and leads me to a couple of conclusions.
Jun 25th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The position of the Argentines have changed so much over the Falklands Dispute that it is becoming ever more clear now it is in fact the absolute financial wealth that surrounds us which is now paramount in their eyes. Many years ago it was national pride where dictators brainwashed their children to believe what they wanted them to believe. Today Oil has changed all that. He who owns the Falkland Islands has absolute control over all of the South Atlantic by the very fact that our Islands could one day produce amounts of revenue that would dwarf anything Argentina has ever had and they cannot accept that we the Falkland Islanders just a mere 3000 strong are in complete control of what they want. I have seen this the world over. Oil is possibly the biggest discovery that started world turmoil. Wars and human greed. However I am sure we Islanders would from our new found wealth be quite prepared to help our strugling neighbours to ensure their poverty ridden people were fed which is the complete opposite of what that Country is currently trying to do to us through embargos. Such tantrums from so called reformed peoples does not look good on the world platform. comments have even ssugested that one day the Argentines will get our country. I doubt that very much because unlike our rather grumpy thugs of neighbours, we have always played by the rules that is peacefull. Heck we even allowed Argentine families come and make their homes here that says a lot about how decent we really are. We are not an implanted people as would be sugested we are all decendants of people who wanted to do something differant nothing more.
@LEPRecon
Jun 26th, 2012 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shukran
Is not Allahu Akbar? Or Am I wrong?
Should I ask my money back for my poor lessons?
“Dany, one would think that you were either obsessed with them, afraid of them, or both obsessed and afraid”
Don’t panic I’m not obsessed, afraid or whatsoever you may think against any religion. I don’t even care about religion meanwhile you don’t try to impose to me anything against my religion. Which is none.
I just only use the name Mohammed (popular name in Britain) to call British generally and has nothing to do with religion, ethnicity or whatever you may think.
And the name Mohammed does not means that the person is Muslim, he can be Catholic, like the name Alí, etc.
Or do you think that anyone with the name Aaron, Samuel, Issac, Isaias, Miguel, Esther, etc. has to be Jewish?
Do you get the idea?
“I wonder which one it is.” Who?
Learning some word in Arabic now turns me Islamic? Ha ha
I can say Wanna, cute, fory and Miami Am I American?
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