MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falkland Islanders fight for their sovereignty
(By COHA*) - Taking advantage of the 30th anniversary of the Falkland Islands War (April 2/June 14), Argentine President Cristina Fernández and her administration have become increasingly confrontational toward the United Kingdom regarding the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Each government has been attempting to gather tactical support from receptive regional and international actors. For both, the dispute remains a passionate and contentious issue characterized by malicious motivations and defensive actions.”
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0and you say “EACH” government, I can think of actors and musicians employed by The argentine government along with malicious motivations and constant Rhetoric and unless im missing something you will have to enlighten me on how the British government has been likened to these tactics??
True. Good question.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Easy to resolve I guess CaMoron just has to sit and talk.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or is too much for him?
Well after all he forgot his daughter in a pub and just discovered the missing of the child when he got home.
Anyone with full mental capability in UK to talk with?
Mercopress- we do not have Health and Pension benefits from the British Govt! I go there on holday I take out medical travel insurance same as anywhere else, and the only pension I will get is the Falklands State one I pay into and a top-up private one if I pay into it.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0DanyB - message is - Arg wants to talk - then talk to the people that matter - the Islanders.
Or shut up.
@3 - Dany
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0As usual you miss the point. The UK is, with the Falkland Islanders consent, willing to talk about fishing rights, oil exploration etc...
However, this is no dispute over sovereignty. The Falkland Islands belong to the people of the Falklands. End of story.
Perhaps if CFK actually did what she was elected to do, that is run Argentina, you wouldn't be in the dire financial straits that you are now.
The state of Argentina's economy is critical, any talks about the Falkland Islands could've been put on the back burner labelled “can be dealt with later”.
Why is CFK making such a fuss, Dany? Well it's obvious, and becoming more obvious to the Argentine people, that she is using the Falklands as a smoke screen, hoping people won't realise just how badly she has fecked up your economy.
No matter how you try to deny it, Dany, time will prove me right.
@3 DanyBerger (#) The Islanders are the only ones who can discuss it. , or give permission to the UK to do so. But then CFK denied their offer. Argentina loses out i guess.....
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why Are you guys posting? This is just a summary of whats being going on, and what you have already commented on in various other forums. There is no news here! It is a rehash of events and not a very good one as it has no depth!
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK: I demand we talk about the islands.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0FIG: ok, let's talk.
CFK: no.
UK: the FIG says talk.
CFK: has aneurysm.
Be careful what you wish for. Now we're ready to talk and she says no, so now what?
@3 DanyBerger (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:19 am
Okay Danny. Let's pretend. Let us say that the FIG have given the UKG leave to negotiate.
We are now in the conference room.
You are the Argentine negotiator and I am the UK negotiator.
You go first. What shall we talk about?
Argentine President Cristina Fernández and her administration have become increasingly confrontational toward the United Kingdom
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enough said,
The time will come
And no crying from the CFK bloggers please
[ mugs ]
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@9 Nice one WM :) Can't wait for Dany's answer !!!!
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9 Might as well, its the closest they'll ever get to the real thing :)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 mollymauk (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:21 pm
Thanks but I doubt it will make any difference. I agree with Brit Abroad in post 7, all it is is a 'story so far' but hey. I was about so I though why not?
A couple of points to make about this article
Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) The Falklands are a “Self Governing British Overseas Territory” not a “Non-Self Governing Overseas Territory”
2) “focuses primarily on Argentina’s persistent opposition and Britain’s continual hostilities” - is the wrong way round. The hostilities come from Argentina and the opposition comes from Britain.
@14 Idlehands (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 20th, 2012 - 12:55 pm
Good points, well made.
@15
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed but to the Malvinas funny people whatever this article says the content will be agreed with, as long as it matches there indoctrinated rubbish.
Apparently it is labelled a “non-self governing British territory” because that is what the list is called at the UN that the C24 refuses to change.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 Conor (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:04 pm
In Malvinese the words 'give peace a chance' translate as 'give us what we want or we will use violence against you. Again'.
18 War Monkey
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You left out the last sentence which reads:
And we'll make sure that it looks like the UK is the aggressor even though it will be us stirring up all of the shit.
Very true Mr War Monkey! Im still waiting for Mr Malvinero1 to show up with his usual comments.....tell you what I'll do it for him, UK style.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhhhhhhhhhh Argentine is finished!!!!!
Broke, deluded colonially implanted population!!!!!!
Hyper inflation kicking in!!!!!!
Get out of Argentine while you still can!!!!! ja ja ja ja
20 Conor
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think maybe you ARE Malvinero1. That was word perfect.
The Islanders are loosing the diplomatic battle against a much stronger and aggressive Argentina. No wonder these lot are making so much noise outside the UN headquarters.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Mr Bloggs! But I can ensure you that Im not the infamous Mr Malvinero1!
@22
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Losing the diplomatic battle Aussie?
Is that interpretation based on anything other than wishful thinking?
@24 WestisBest (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:51 pm
No. He is thinking in Malvinese. Remember in his world black is white, right is wrong, left is right and the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina.
@24/25
Jun 20th, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder when its going to hit these Malvinas people that they're never going to get the Islands? There's nothing they can do Politically, Socially, Economically or Militarily that will change the Status Quo. All these attempts have tried in the past and they have failed and only fuelled the arguments against them.
“Young Falkland Islanders with a banner” says the picture above.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Woww..what a large group! Not to mention that at least one of them is an Englishman politician in Malvinas...and not that young.
“Andrew Pollard@FalklandsAndyP
”Tea and cake with Prince William earlier, explained to him that i am on crutches because i fell in a penguin burrow. local knowledge aye!“
@24 read my man!! read!! and learn something of the real world and not only from the British government.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www phoenixthinktank.org/2012/04/the-thirty-years-on-threat-to-the-falkland-islands.
This article is full of lies! OMG!
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If neither side is willing to collaborate”: Who`s not willing to talk and nogotiate? The UK!
“Militant destruction, such as the Falklands War, is foreseeable”: What?!?
“Members of the international community continually have implored the sparring governments to establish a multilateral committee, involving Argentine, British, and Falkland governmental representatives”: Ha ha ha.... what!? The UN is asking for BILATERAL negotiations betwen the TWO PARTIES.
“The islands’ inhabitants established their first constitution, declaring themselves a “non-self-governing Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom”: Guess what? As per the UN you are a NON SELF GOVERNING TERRITORY. And a COLONY.
”Due to the Islands’ small population, the country must seek assistance on foreign policy decisions and military protection from the United Kingdom“: Ha ha ha ha! OMG! The UK doesn`t give a dime for the islanders... it`s the strategic value of the islands what its all about.
”As many Islanders point out, the Argentine government has routinely denied their right to self-determination”: Argentina is respecting the UN resolution. Not a single one of them grants such a right to the islanders.
The UK only keeps ignoring the resolutions from a democratic body like the UN General Assembly, and it does ignore it taking advantage of the non democratic Security Council, in which its a permanent memeber.
28. You are assuming the CFK administration will last another 12 months. I think you it is a very bad assumption.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Her gov't will collapse along with the economy.
“The UK only keeps ignoring the resolutions from a democratic body like the UN General Assembly, and it does ignore it taking advantage of the non democratic Security Council, in which its a permanent memeber.”
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And there's nothing you can do about it. Boo-hoo :*(
@31 Certainly not much.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron told CFK to respect the referendum to be held in a few years, basing his demands on the respect of democracy... the UK not behaving that decratically in the international arena makes his pretention and the referendum meaningless.
Cameron is only an idiot ridiculizing himself and the UK in the international community.
“Argentina is respecting the UN resolution. Not a single one of them grants such a right to the islanders”
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They don't need to - the founding CHARTER of the United Nations grants them that right.
@32 It actually being held next year not in a few. You insult us for not behaving in the international community Mr Malvinas, and yet your leaders have been very hypocritical in the way they speak about the UK especially regarding colonialism.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 034 Conor The British people can only have a referendum when the government are guaranteed the result they want.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 I beg you pardon? I don`t remember having insulted anyone. (Well I called Cameron idiot, but that`s it).
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can anyone talk about the UK without mentioning colonialism?
The UK´s denial of its colonialis behaviour accusing other countries of such a out of date behaviour... that is hypocritical!
@36
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what if it is?!! Your country was created my it!!!!!! Mr Malvinas you are in no position to complain when you are living, breathing, working etc. on lands that were taken by your Spanish forefathers.
Argentina's denial of its colonialis behaviour accusing other countries of such a out of date behaviour... that is hypocritical!
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@37 Argentina certainly is in a position to complain, as you´ve heard its been doing since 1833... And that is because Argentina is a modern nation state recognized by the UK as such. Behaviour of states is ruled by the internationl law.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The difference with the unfortunate first nations is that they were considered non civilized barbarians who had no rights granted.
@38 Reflecting won`t help you much.
Is Argentina invading or attacking another country every few months like Britain?
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pleeeease read not just your own history books but your daily newspapers, historians can't keep up with your governments invasions and killings.
@35
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well obviously everyone does that! Its called politics! If argentine was in our position as regards the Islands, they to would bring forward a referendum to support their case, i’ll say it again its called politics.
@36 That doesn't make any sense! The simple fact of the mater is when the UK took the islands they were uninhabited, whilst mainland Latam was!!! If we stick to your principles then all property in Argentine must be relinquished to the Native South Americans, who have mostly been wiped out or subsumed into you and your fellow countrymen who are mostly European in origin!!!! You cant claim the islands while your in this rather hypocritical situation Mr Malvinas.
41 Conor Can we vote?
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every few months?
Afghanistan 2001
Iraq 2003
Libya 2011
I fail to see your point Mr Marcos after all you argentines are still occupying lands every day that you ‘invaded’ around 300 years ago. Thats if we go by your twisted logic.
@41
No its not your land or your right.
@41 Wrong.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And remember... We`ll be back.
@44
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find that Im right you are an implanted european colonial, and you wont be back because there is nothing you can do to change the status quo regarding the Islands.
43 Conor
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Occupying my own land?
Many of our ancestors were here way before any European knew about the existence of the Americas.
About that special election, the main participant of the scheme is the British government in London.
@43
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet again another commentator fails to read my comment and realise that I wasn't being serious, as I said in another thread I hold no regrets for what the empires did as the modern world wouldn't exist. Colonialism created modern day Argentine its language, culture, its people and its claim to islands it has never owned. It doesn't matter wether you have ancestors who go back way before the first europeans arrived because if you take the europeans out of the equation Argentine and you yourself Mr Marcos would not be here today please try to understand that.
@46 Marcos Alejandro Well, then the rest of the 40 million, who are not descendants should leave. And you should do more for the starving and dying indigenous populance, that truly own the land, instead of worrying about islands that were unpopulated when fist colonised....
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Mr Marcos
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You see Mr Thor understands my point why can't you?
@49 Because your point is inconsistent.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44 Islas Malvinas (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:07 pm
I expect we'll be waiting for you when you come.
@50
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Malvinas I think you will find it isn't as you have yet to challenge me on my accurate assessment of Argentine's situation as a country created entirely by Colonialism.
@50 Islas Malvinas (#) If we're talking of inconsistencies, then we should really talk about Argentina's claim to the Falklands.....
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51
Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will be waiting a while I assure you sir.
@53
You totally right!
Islas “we'll be back”. Unfortunately i doubt it as you surrender monkeys are all talk and no trousers. If you are so certain then get on with it. We British are a martial race and like a good scrap.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't envy your chances though as you havr been in terminal decline since. 1982. Would love to see you try though.
@55
Jun 20th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said to them earlier they won't be, they cant even come back when they lose an argument.
They're like mental patients, stuck in their own little fantasy world and burbling rubbish. Poor, corrupt, dishonest, incompetent Argentina can't afford the boardgame, Battleship, let alone an actual battleship. All they can do is yap. :)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is how Cristina Kirchner got in power, and how she stays in power. In Argentina it is OBLIGATORY for all citizens to vote, she speaks of democracy and the only thing she knows about it total corruption!
Jun 20th, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
@44 how fascinating, please carry on and explain
Jun 20th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And remember... We`ll be back.” , im intrigued why you are under the illusion that your country has an army of schwarzeneggers ready for invasion.
@3 Too many for you to cope with!
Jun 20th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 Even a (real) aussie would know how to spell “losing”, wouldn't it?
@27 Just shows how illegal argie actions are limiting Falklanders legitimate rights to travel.
@28 Did you know that your ability to paste links is at the usual argie level? I.e. crap.
@29 Congratulations!!! You got SIX lies in there all by yourself!
@32 “to be held in a few years”. No, next year. “decratically” Not an English word. “ridiculizing” Not an English word. Now who looks ridiculous?
@35 How do you feel about the Falkland Islands Government? Since they are going to be holding the referendum.
@36 Poor comprehension. Poor education.
@39 Conor was wrong. He should have said that you are in no position to legitimately complain. And you aren't. And I wouldn't call argieland “modern”. You seem to be stuck in the 19th century.
@40 Don't remember invading anyone. As for attacking... You are attacking the Falklands. What's your point?
@42 NO!!! You're not a Falkland Islander. You're a HOSTILE ENEMY ALIEN!!!
@44 Really? How many years is it going to take to get your courage up? Do you remember that, the last time, you had to send 66,000 troops to overcome less than 80 Royal Marines. Do you realise that, now there are 1500 British troops, you are going to need 1,237,500 of yours just to lose?
@46 “Many”? You mean 20% of those that were there before your European ancestors arrived and slaughtered the other 80%. Not British Europeans, you remember. Spanish and Italian Europeans.
@50 But then YOU'RE inconsistent. And bigoted. And racist. And medieval. And belligerent. And hostile. And genocidal. And psychotic. And juvenile. What's your point?
@28
Jun 20th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....and when we decide to exercise our right to self determination and are recognised as a state by the UN? (which if that's what's neccessary to help the rest of the world understand our rights we will do)
what price your sabre rattling and phoenix shit tank's conclusions then?
9 War Monkey
Jun 20th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope you are not expecting a real anser to your question from Dunni-Burger.
He has not worked out yet that Cameron and his wife were in seperate cars, going back to the residence: each one thinking the other had the child.
In the meantime the 8 yo child was being kept an eye on bt the publican (they know the child quite well).
I would imagine the security deatail would have a hell of a bollocking over this as they insisted on the two cars.
Had been Argentina, no doubt the child would have been sold by now.
@61 Recognition by the UN is not necessary for independence.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done young Islanders. This is only the start of the bullied Falkland Islanders long awaited political fightback agianst the wannabe Argentine colonialists. As they keep challenging the distorted history and fiction about them spewed out by Argentina, the tide will turn. FREEDOM FOR THE FALKLANDS!
Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 DanyBerger.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Burger I would like to point out to you that my daughter was perfectly safe at all times. I would not know how Argentina deals with President Cristina Fernandez days out when she has time with her family but as I am the Prime Minister of the UK, we use a variety of vehicles to transport myself and my family to any family event. As Prime Minister, I have to use our protection service at all times and it’s the same for my wife and any of my family.
As Prime Minister, my work is actually 24/24 and as such, I had a variety people that work with me that went with my family to lunch. When we came out from lunch, I thought wrongly that Samantha had our little Nancy with her an Samantha thought I had her in my car.
We found our daughter when we went back to the pub helping the staff and we all had a jolly good laugh about it all.
I thank you for your concern but I can assure you that little Nancy was safe at all times. It’s so jolly well nice to know that the people of Argentina have my best interests at heart and I have to thank each and every one of you for your support.
Now if you will excuse me I have to get ready for another round of meetings at the G20 summit. I have to say though that as I am in Mexico I thought I would be out of the rain, its seems that the Mexico is making me very welcome its rather like being back at home what with all the rain.
By for now and if any of you have any questions that you would like me to answer appertaining to the Falkland's please let me know.
David Cameron.
Sovereignity against UK ...very normal action !
Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 035 Marcos Alejandro
Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British people can only have a referendum when the government are guaranteed the result they want.
You always get it wrong don't you, like you always have! That is the way it happens in Argentina, but here this corruption does not happen like it does over there. (On another note: I also never trust a traitor, you know what I mean Marcos)
@66 Max (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 20th, 2012 - 07:18 pm
An action that the UKG would welcome and support and that Argentina would ignore and try to undermine.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/20/independence-for-falklands-could-end-standoff?newsfeed=true
Jun 20th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65 Mr Cameron
Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you really are Mr David Cameron maybe you could explain as to why you are denying me and the rest of the country the right to decide our future on the EU? Something we never voted for and don't particularly want.
@69 Steve-32-uk (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 20th, 2012 - 08:47 pm
I think independence is inevitable eventually but what if the Falkland Islanders don't want independence just yet?
67 “but here this corruption does not happen”
Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course not...
“It is ironic that 22 years after British troops died for democracy in the Falklands, that a British citizen would be forced to flee the Falklands to escape political corruption and death threats, to seek democracy and freedom of speech in Argentina”
http://www.falklands.net/FalklandsCorruption.shtml
Not to mention the disappearance of “only”23 kilo bags of cocaine from the police station a few years ago.
Oh I love to be right! Way back I asked Axel what will happen when there isn't enough money to pay salaries ABOVE the inflation rate. Of course he said that would never happen. In fact if was impossible because the economy would grew at least the inflation figure so they could always increase salaries more than that.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And like gravity the laws of economics have finally put Argentina flat on their as*!!!
Truck drivers( esp fuel) started a nationwide strike yesterday demanding a 305 raise, gov't said no, so they have refused to deliver fuel. Gas stations in some parts of BA province are already dry and most will be out of gas by tomorrow.
hahahaha
Maybe Toby's bus can't get gas and that is why he isn't posting today.
Also a lot of poor RGs heat their food and homes with “garrafas” portable propane tanks...
Also has there every been a Peronista Prez that didn't have control of the Unions...I think not...showing weakness will bring out the thugs watch out Krissy.
brr
69 Steve-32-uk Interesting comment on the article you posted.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0• “David Cameron says of the Falklands dispute that ”we believe in self-determination and act as democrats here in the G20” (Pushing the envelope: PM in row with Kirchner at G20, 20 June). Fine words, but they weren't exactly followed over the return of Hong Kong to China or the evacuation of the Chagos Islands: nobody asked them to exert their right to self-determination. It couldn't, surely, be because the Falkland islanders are white and the others are not, could it?
Richard Carter
London
Just my opinion,
Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I think independence from the UK at this point in time, is very dangerous,
It would suit Argentina, and perhaps some British politicians, [why one wonders]
But call me a sceptic if you like, but I remember Cyprus,
And remember, that while under British rule, it was safe, within a very short time after independence, it was invaded, despite the fact that several countries guaranteed them,
Again, I say, how many newly independent countries can anyone name, who last more that a couple of years without trouble, taking into account, those that were vulnerable in the first place,
Briton thinks, the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar, should be ruled directly from Westminster,
And they can enjoy whatever we have,
As part of the UK you will be safe, just like the Spanish and French enclaves, no one will try it,
Am I wrong or am I just talking rubbish,
Time will tell [your time]
We don’t trust politicians
We don’t trust the OAS
We don’t trust the UN
And we don’t trust Argentina,
A people that gives as must interest to your rights as they do the cleaners in the toilet,
Once you go, it’s harder to get there, harder to justify in the future,
Bad British future government]
And once they get in, you will not get them out, do you really think the mighty UN will get them out,
Your choice, your decision,
My opinion,
Stay with us, and don’t go independent,
Join us for at least 50 years, till all this dies down.
Just me.
.
Marcos Alejandro
Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems it may be true that you are the dishonourable Mr B, posing as an Argentine and biting the hand that fed you.
Ah as ever Marcos turns up knowing zero about what he is talking about and posting random comments from people on the article as if they are truth.
Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As far as I'm concerned anyone who talks about Hong Kong knows zero about the subject in hand given the land Hong Kong is on was leased from China and the lease expired. It's all rather simply to someone with an IQ of oh over say 50.... (that obviously excludes Marcos the moron who can only post links to spurious articles and random comments).
And as ever confusing history with the present.
@75 briton (#)
Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:29 pm
Except that even if the FI do decide to declare independence, the UK will stay to defend them if they ask us to. Independence probably won't change anything. The British military won't be leaving until the FIG tells them it is time to go and Argentina will not recognise FI independence anyway.
@76 Mr Honoria
Jun 20th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You think Mr Marcos to be honourable? I've been on this site for barely a day and I know that he is pretty deranged, he grabs random arguments from the web, makes an unfunny joke, and then abruptly buggers off, without backing his points. And when he does debate he doesn't make sense, falls back to his original hyperlink and struggles to put up a defence when countered. Early signs of either acute paranoia or he simply is a fool.
78 Furry-Fat-Feck
Jun 20th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may well be right,
But we will be 8,000 miles away,
I try to make comparisons, but it does not work out,
I see Gibraltar, and British politicians,
In the past we everything there,
But over the last 20 odd years, the British government, has effectively closed the royal navy yard,
[And now use by consent] we still go there, but by consent
The RAF has been reduced, the runway and tower put over to civilian use and control, and the army has been removed, we still go there, but by consent, [and that is what worries me]
The government has I believe sold over 85% of all British military to civilian use and buyers,
Even the rock, has been stripped of sensitive equipment, [I don’t know if all has been removed]
The British politicians seem to be slowly but surely withdrawing from Gibraltar,
They say blab la bla , and to save money,
I just don’t trust them.
.
72 Marcos Alejandro,
Jun 20th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that a British citizen would be forced to flee the Falklands to escape political corruption and death threats, to seek democracy and freedom of speech in Argentina”
What a load of crap, He tried to be elected and sulked when not many voted for him, so therefore he went and found a country just as sulky as he is, you deserve him and all the other traitors. I really hope he is home sick, because he won't be coming back! Shame on him.
@ 27 local knowledge does that mean you have set foot on the FALKLAND ISLANDS, no I don't think so unless you were one of the surrender monkeys!!!!
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 076 honoria, Mr who?
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you read this part?
“Bingham wins in Supreme Court”
“That such a corrupt regime operates under the protection of the British government is a disgrace to every hard working Britain”
Ah typical of the Argentines on here... they claim the Falklands are a colony of Britain, but Britain refuse to negotiate with Argentina without the permission of the Falkland Islanders. How can you keep a colony but listen to the people? Another one of those hypocritical statements from our beloved Argentina keyboard warriors. You have to love Argentine hypocrisy!
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't condemn Britain for being colonisers and also when they listen to the people or a territory (therefore not acting like colonisers)! Brilliant. Only Argentines can be this short-sighted. Argentina love to damn people for what they do and what they don't do.
Why do Argentina and it's people hold Britain to high standards but don;t apply the same high standards to themselves...?
Totally agree, well said m of fi. As for Marcos you never answer a question or be logical, typical of your people, just keep listening to the crap that Argentina blows out of it's ar*e. As for Bingham, he was another who never got his own way, so heads off to Argie land for political sympathy!
Jun 20th, 2012 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 085 Mike proved that major corruption exists in Malvinas and that you were wrong.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe in your Malvinas wherever that is but not theFalklands. Go and mind your own business fanatic.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 087 Malvinas Islands
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course there is no corruption in such a small British community, just ask your “Chair of the Falkland Islands 2012 Committee; Lewis Clifton......”
http://en.mercopress.com/2009/02/06/falkland-islands-weekly-penguin-news-update
@Islander1, LEPRecon, THOR94
Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Boys Islanders cannot discuss because nations have to talk wit other nation. I checked twice and there is not any nation with people called F Islanders ate the moments.
The relation with UK concerning your permission is irrelevant to foreigner nations this at the moment is a domestic issue for UK.
@War Monkey
“You go first. What shall we talk about?”
Sovereignty
@David CaMoron
That is not a good excuse at all, if you forgot your daughter who knows what you can forget in the future.
By the way how are you going to fix UK dying economy while servicing interests of UK’s huge debt?
Any though?
@89 DanyBerger (#)
Jun 21st, 2012 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:14 am
1) Sovereignty? Fair enough. What do you want to know about it?
89
Jun 21st, 2012 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your English is shit.
@ Englander
Jun 21st, 2012 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“English is shit”
I know
DB : Is that the best you can up with ? You live in a failed state riven with violence , poverty and corruption and you hero worship a government that is literally robbing you blind .
Jun 21st, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina had a referendum today on whether to be carry on being ruled by a thieving psychotic tart or becoming part of the United Kingdom or the United States , I think you would be very surprised by the result .
@88, notice Marcos that is corruption that is punished. How much corruption is there in Argentina and how are they punished for their crimes? I notice the wealth of yoiur President has increased significantly since she has been in office....
Jun 21st, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0RG's corrupt and humiliated country of surrender monkeys
Jun 21st, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72 Don't bring your personal problems and faults on here.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@74 OH, Hong Kong and the Chagos Islands AGAIN. Got anything new have you? Both situations have been explained many times before so I'm not going to repeat. Clearly, you have the attention span and memory of a crushed peanut.
@83 Being away from proper people has obviously affected you. Or did you ever know how to spell “Briton”?
@86 As I recall, Bingham was found to have falsified ALL his academic “credentials”. I wonder if there is a single word that Bingham has ever said or written that is even “possible”, never mind “true”.
@89 I can understand your first point. The IMF is not a “nation” and neither is argieland. How do they get to “talk”?
Regarding the UK debt: Our inflation is hovering around 5%. Yours is over 30%. We consider our fuel and energy supplies a little expensive. You are looking at “interruptions” to fuel and energy supplies. But your concern for our welfare is appreciated. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
#89
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will fix our economy by sprinkling pixie dust over our green and pleasant land.
If you ask us nicely, we may have some to spare.
Always the same for Mecopress, all commentators paid by British intelligence service, a false illusion of self-determination to kelpers.
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just wanted to show this site: http://www.malvinense.com.ar/smalvi/2012/2189.htm
@Usurping Pirate
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You live in a failed state riven with violence , poverty and corruption and you hero worship a government that is literally robbing you blind”
So seriously Mr. Travel Adviser what country do you recommend me to go?
#98
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for the reference but no speako dago.
99 DanyBerger (#)
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland Islands!!!
“Young Falkland Islanders with a banner” says the picture above.
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Woww..what a large group! Not to mention that at least one of them is an Englishman politician in Malvinas...and not that young.
I don't know what picture you are looking at but neither of them are politicians. The one on the right is an agronomist and the other is an accountant. The accountant was born in the Falklands and the agronomist moved to the Falklands as a toddler.
@98 Really?? Can you tell me where my monthly salary has got to? Tell you what, how much are you offering for me to “tell the truth”. Perhaps you can suggest a suitable way to get the money to me. How about a “handover” in Grosvenor Square Garden, London. It's not far from your embassy.
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@99 Atlantis.
Full speech of Alexander Betts (a Bennie or Kelper) in the Decolonization Committee http://www.malvinense.com.ar/smalvi/2012/2189.htm
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Bennies or kelpers not entitled to anything, Terrible!!!
@ 103 Conqueror would not you pay for MercoPress comment? then it is the only one who does not get paid. meeting with Cameron, you must have the same right as other commentators. and maintain the illusion of self-determination to the Kelpers.
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@105
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Ant, what about self-determination for the native South Americans? Oh thats different.
This is as others have said a not very good article. For example “they are seeking to determine whether or not they wish to remain British citizens”. I thought they were not British citizens; in fact didn't Thatcher take their British nationality away? The status quo, where they are non-citizens, shouldn't even be on the table in the 21st century; leaving aside the specifics of each countries case, surely they should either be British or Argentine, citizens of real independent countries. Or dual citizens, if both sides negotiate well surely that could work??
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Conor @ 106 do not confuse my point of view, which is the exponential multiplication of commentators, very suspicious, is practiced on the web used to deceive a subject. Poor Kelpers with their shields, mercenaries paid by the English -
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Referred to his alleged distraction, Argentina is a democratic nation-state with all peoples integrated and adhere to ILO 169 Resolution
@108
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What???? “Argentina is a democratic nation-state with all peoples integrated and adhere to ILO 169 Resolution” er...sorry that does not exempt you from colonialism, especially as the Falkland originally had no inhabitants, while LatAm did.
“Poor Kelpers with their shields, mercenaries paid by the English -” That argument has no basis and you know it. Grow up you are never going to take the island and you know it.
@108 - perhaps you would like it if we claimed your house and wanted to to make you a British subject whether you liked it or not.
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 109 Dear Connors, not ridiculous, you speak of colonialism?. There is a carpet with blood of millions of dead built by British colonialism in history and the world. Offend. It is much cynicism.
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I argue that most commentators are paid for self-determination. Do you with many names used in Mercopress?
@111
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Mr Ant, if your English was perhaps a little clearer I might be able to understand your argument. “Millions of dead” common misconception of History thousands died yes but nowhere near the millions that you suggest.
“most commentators are paid for self-determination.” As a result of your use of language I can't understand what you are saying, are you implying that I am paid to do this? I can assure you I'am not.
“Do you with many names used in Mercopress?” Im afraid I cant make out what you are saying old boy, please be clearer next time.
Oh and by the way My name is 'Conor' not “Connors.”
@112
Jun 24th, 2012 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I use the google translator, but if you understand 'Conor' or “Connors”. But very good excuse when no arguments (bad is payable to comment). The British colonialist and instransiguente. Is sooner or later will return the islands to their rightful owners LosArgentinos.
I understand good English with google taductor.
#113
Jun 24th, 2012 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to disalusion you, but the Google translator does not work very well.
For example in your posting ”( bad is payable to comment)”.
This does not mean anything sensible in English. English can be a very precise language and if the word order is changed then the meaning is totally lost.
I tried the google translator on some Spanish text and found I was better translating it myself with the aid of a Spanish dictionary
@ 114
Jun 24th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thanks for the information. to consider in the future.
Marcos Alejandro (#) Jun 20th, 2012 - 03:03 pm Report abuse
Jun 24th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is Argentina invading or attacking another country every few months like Britain?
@40
of course not, but only because you don't have the military or financial rescources to do so. The whole wold knows this, but do carry on:)
#116 Or because its beautiful President is genuinely committed to peace, unlike the warmongering West
Jun 25th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0@117 - BK
Jun 25th, 2012 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your Plastic President is genuinely committed to lining her own pockets, while the peasants starve around her.
The Falkland Islanders will get their say in this referendum, and then the UK government, on behalf of the Falkland Islands Government, should petition the UNGA to get the Falklands off the decolonisation list, and tell Argentina to STFU.
@107 B_K. No, we are British citizens. We were given full British citizenship after the war.
Jun 25th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so, if you are british, why you want to make a vote to keep british”...are you or not?
Jun 25th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every one HERE knows you are british...all latinamerican´s countryes knows that-
Other very different history is if you are looking for Independence!
Of course we have arguments to oposse....but in that case, if you resign your links whit UK and want to become INDEPENDENTS, well, maybe you have a case to show to UN.
You have a monument and it say COLONY OF UK.... in your own land..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/defence-and-security-blog/2012/jun/22/falklands-gibraltar-sovereignty
I can see there are other british citizens thinking different of you-or similar of me!!
Regards
120 Rosarino
Jun 25th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ONLY British Citizen (at the moment 'till we get rid of the hangers on) who thinks the same way as you is Blind_Scottie_Kirchner.
And he is in real need of psychiatric help.
and you say this guy, who writes and have a column in The Guardian is a fake?
Jun 25th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many columns did you write (no here of course)?
Regards-
@BK
Jun 26th, 2012 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, I think I'm closer to the mark. I do admire your perseverance though, you are an excellent troll, hat off to you sir!:)
KFC wants talks, what would be the point Argies want one thing, Falklanders and UK dont want to let them have it. Here is how it would go;
Jun 26th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0kfc 'high Dave can we have the Falklands?'
Dave ' Nope'
kfc 'oh'
(kfc attempts sad face and fails due to botox and botched face lifts).
Fin
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