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Cristina Fernandez forced to return to address a three-day teamsters strike
As Argentine president Cristina Fernandez was landing in Buenos Aires Wednesday night cutting short her international tour, Gendarmerie forces were clashing with striking teamsters at a major fuel refinery which is vital for the supply of gas to the province of Buenos Aires. Read full article
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Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does this all this not amount to the fact that someone has been so consumed with colonial ambitions she has taken her eye off the ball and not addressing important matters in her own country?
Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll assume “gas” in this article is the US usage i.e. gasoline (natural gas not really being bulk distributed by truck in major cities).
Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone on here know more details about the strikers' demands? Because, to me, asking to be opted out of income tax sounds like one hell of an unreasonable demand!
Calling all malvinists.....where are you? you putting up your blockades? picking up your riot batons with Maximo (Oooops sorry he'll be putting his feet-up having a big cream bun)???? Or you all whacking one off to a picture of the falkland islands???
Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The teamsters are also demanding an end to wage income tax and to salary caps to collect family allowances”
Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm wondering if this is just poorly worded and that the income tax and salary cap points relate to the family allowance collection - rather than just demanding an end to income tax on their wages.
If not then I've finally found an issue in which I'd support CFK. That can't be right.
Best comedy/ soap opera ever,the main characters, Kristina, Boudou, Kilikoff, Timmerman, A Castro ........its the South American version of Monty Python.................and its going to get funnier.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina, a member of G20, what a joke! A responsible nation? I can't see it...but I can see a nation descending into chaos once again....the sideshow continues.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's about time Argentinian population as a whole had a good look at itself in the mirror.....the sight is very not pretty. Your nation needs more assets than good footballers to be economically sustainable.....it is clear that your nation is economically and morally bankrupt.
Perhaps, your politicians, union leaders and business operators could start by attending some ethics classes about what is fit and proper behaviour.
Up the workers. Down with Kirchner.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, Cristina, do you hear that clock ticking? Counting down the time you have left before you are hounded out of office.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt to divert attention away from this, there'll be another swipe at the Falklands, or maybe she'll steal another company, 'cos none of this is her fault, honest!
Perhaps she needs to accept that as President she is the highest authority in the country and the buck stops with her. Instead of galavanting around the world on a meaningless crusade, she should've been sorting out the problems at home.
Now it's too late.
The Peronist party is nothing if not a party of and for the workers. Inflation is now at somewhere between 30 and 34%. As this inflation has been caused by the government, the government should give the workers the rise in pay that reflects inflation. This situation is different from 2008. Picking a fight with a number of influential land barons (and, admittedly, some of the poorer farmers) is no-where near as dangerous as picking a fight with the workers; you can lose the moral high-ground very quickly. The real danger for the government is that they can't back down. They have to keep any pay increase at the lowest level possible as otherwise, they will be pressured into increasing pay for other public sector workers. They haven't got the money to do this and the only way they would be able to reach these demands is by printing enough money to meet those obligations thus fuelling (sorry for the pun) inflation.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a perfect example of stagflation. However, stagflation is normally happens as a result of one set of circumstances such as workers demanding massive increases in line with inflation. The other sets of circumstances are rigid currency controls and rigid import export restrictions. Normally you only get one of these. Here we have all three at once, a perfect storm.
Conspiracy theory ..... Moyano is in the pay of the British Royal Family , the CIA and shady masonic lodges intent on bringing down Cristina and making Argentina a colony of Britain and the USA.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand , it could just be a strike about wages . All the government's fault for lying and trying to fiddle the official inflation figures .
Can anyone in Argentina confirm if they really are demanding to be exempt from income tax on their wages?
Jun 21st, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“fuel and food shortages.” AHHAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAA
Jun 21st, 2012 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“forced to return” AHHHAAAAAA HAHHAAAAAA (sorry Argentina she was too busy flashing her eyelashes than to deal with important domestic matters.)
“We hope the government has common sense” HAAAAHAAAHAAA
(yeah,good luck with that)
Amado Boudou-introducing anti-hoarding law ”OOOHAHAAAAAA hAAAAAAA (insanely hypocritical)
Demonstrate for more jobs and rights? HAHAHAHAHAH (sorry, your Govt isnt hot on rights)
Vice-President Amado Boudou”It’s not a question of seeing who is more macho.” AAAAHAHHAHAHAHA (I would love to see his CV for that job)
this is for you Arg trolls - YOU ARE FINISHED!!!!! ..... :D.... malverino01.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH........ HA...
Argentina soon to be the new Syria lmao
Jun 21st, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Workers who earn more than $7m000 ARG Pesos per month (about $1,200 U$D) are forced to pay roughly 40% of their wages in taxes to this corrupt government. It's known as “Impuesto a las ganancias” which in every other part of the world is paid on capital gains, but here the corrupt Kirchners make you pay it on your salary. She taxes the citizens to DEATH and we get nothing in return. The government has another tax - “impuesto al cheque” which is a tax on all checking accounts - 1,2% of every check written and credit card transaction in the entire country goes to the government. They are loaded with money and we get nothing in return!! And I am Argentine and telling this to the world!
Jun 21st, 2012 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is how Kirchner stays in power. Political corruption Kirchner / Argentina style. And they say “oh we won by 54% of the vote”, well how much of that 54% was purchased by the Kirchner gang and how many actually voted without getting a few pesos in hand?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
Idlehands , I don't think the truck drivers are demanding to be exempt from income tax , but are asking for a one off cash bonus ( on top of the agreed settlement ) to offset the decrease in spending power caused by inflation .
Jun 21st, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0#15
Jun 21st, 2012 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's punitive - $1200 is about £765 or E955. Less than UK minimum wage.
@7 Argieland isn't in the G20 because it meets the criteria and is a responsible state. It's there because it doesn't and it isn't. It's there so the REAL G20 can gauge the effect of their decisions.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I imagine this is the beginning of the end for CFK. She will either have to cave on the 30% increase and tax change or face riots. Neither option is good.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I hope they finally elect someone that will take a long term view of the country and fix it once and for all. History tells me they won't and they'll get someone just and dumb and corrupt as the Ks.
@19 when she finally steps down she will have already secured the throne to her Fat boy slim “Maximos” The Great cake eater, in a non-democratical election with a majority of about 54%.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0more of the same im afraid.
I'm guessing all of the RGs are forced to stay home and don't have internet today.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 020. Sons of unpopular RG rulers tend to have accidents...
A little blood in the streets and Cfk will be on the next plane to Venezuela...
Well, who would have thought it?
Jun 21st, 2012 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only ALL the Brits and Yankeeboy!
The grin is getting wider as I read in todays Telegraph about the Argie Embassy in London contacting the Welsh 'freedom fighters' for support over the mythical Malvinas!
Just when you think it can't get any worse for the Argies, IT DOES! Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Yesterday BA province gov't was saying the gas supply will be guaranteed today they are staying 70% of the gas stations will be out of fuel by noon!
Jun 21st, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bahahahahaa
I don't think the merry widow can hadle this stress... this is what happens when your support is bought and you run out of money.
I also heard RGs Embassy folks begging with US corps with ISCID judgments to take bonds so they can get their trade preferences back...funny I thought Toby told me the trade preferences were small and irrlevant...
BTW I think the US corps (politely) laughed in their faces.
They gave the lawmakers a 100% increase in wages, did they think the common workers were just going to except it ....
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0correct Yankeeboy Between 60 and 70 percent of petrol stations in the province don’t have any more stock and by midday they will be left without fuel supply.
Already some schools in the west and south west of BA provice have suspended classes until further notice due to the school being too cold due to lack of fuel. Also being reported on teh wore that 1000s of familes have been left without services just as the cold weather arrives. I feel for them. As i've said all along, these kinds of policies hurt the poorest in society.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 JPhillips (#)
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:46 am
The teamsters are asking for a 30% increase in wages and a bonus of between ARS$3000/4000 to cover the Capital Gains Tax that they are forced to pay.
Argentines in general are paying something like 60% of their incomes in taxes, mostly hidden taxes such as 30% inflation.
We are all enjoying this Shadenfreude as CFKs hold weakens but what will it take for Argentines to wake up and take responsibility for their democracy? Whos going to replace her? Corruption is rife through the ranks so CFK wont be made an example of and thus no lessons will be learnt and no improvement in their politics will result.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The workers, united, will never be defeated...
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Government has stated that they are going to fine the union 4,000,000 pesos for this acti0n. They have also issued proceedings against Moyano (father and son). Can anyone explain what the deal with this is? Are they criminal or civil...are they even able to do this?
poor CFK
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0R.I.P.
28 Welsh Wizard
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They try to take legal action against anyone investing in the Falklands oil and how did that work out for them... They treat them like fools with empty threats ... because they are very worried about this situation..
@27
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They won't because all of the K's will carry on with their support. Furthermore, CFK has spent a great deal of time trying to villainise Moyano over the last 6-12 months, this combined with the obligatory speech given from the Casa Rosada (complete with picture of Evita in the background) will convince a number of those in the middle that this is Moyano's fault. This will be backed-up by the fact that they haven't got any access to services. It will need a couple of these types of events for people to see an obvious pattern and the same excuses from the Government before things turn...anyone think otherwise?
interesting comments from Pablo Moyano ... During a radio interview this morning, the truck driver’s associate secretary furthered:
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We were just able to see images of a petrol tanker being driven by a border guard, loading fuel in a total military-like way, surrounded by guards. It showed us an image of a military dictatorship.”
I'm surprised more of you haven't commented on the “Argentine government authorizes the export of 6 million tons of 2012/13 wheat” article
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You probably haven't read it - you should - it's a classic on CFK economics.
31 Welsh Wizard (#)
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:43 pm
You are quite right. I believe this is the break point; if Moyano wins Kretina is finished, but if Kretina wins this round whatever happens to the economy she will be home and free until 2015, I don't think that the mid term elections will hurt her.
To be totally honest I fervently hope that the Moyanos take her to the cleaners.
I personally don't approve of the Moyano clan, but I certainly approve of Kretina and her troupe less.
Viva Argentina!
32. I heard they were able to get 8 trucks out of the refinery. That's not a lot of fuel for 40MM people!
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fining and jailing union bosses is only going to aggravate the mob..
She has no idea what to do...she just looks weak and stupid.
I read an article that said there are pot banging protests just about every night now. The story of 2001 is repeating itself...
31 Welsh Wizard (# agree you there ! I think the Moyano´s have threatened to take the demonstrations to the Plaza de Mayo ! If they could get support from the school teachers as I have heard some are not getting their full pay ! then things might get pretty interesting for CFK and her cronnies !!!
Jun 21st, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Qustion is - would such events make her resign or make her declare a state of emergency?
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 037. If there is blood in the streets she will resign and she and her cronies will be on the next plane out, under house arrest or dead.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch to see what fat maxi-k does in the next 48 hrs.
@37
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Resignation is not on the cards, she won't do it as it would feel that she has failed Nestor. CFK is exhibiting all of the trademarks of Thatcher against the unions, she will dig in and fight, fight, fight.
The economic path they have taken is seen as a journey by CFK and her supporters and they are fervently in the belief that they HAVE to see it through, nothing else is acceptable. My prediction is that she will try and crush them and crush Moyano once and for all. The main difference between this and Thatcher is that (sorry if I inadvertently offend anyone here) but the unions in Argentina have 10x the balls of the unions in the UK. For those of you who have lived/live there, you know this. They can bring the country to a total standstill if they want to. It would seem that the immovable object is about to meet the unstoppable force...
Argentine government are such a joke, i wonder if they will be burning pesos in the Kirchner Palace to stay warm this winter and filling up on boxed chocolates or force to take a slice of humble pie, while the rest of the country freezes and starves as it nose dives into poverty, what can i say Argentina you elected them 54% apparently.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines you were warned you were in for a long cold,dark,hungry winter, enjoy it, I certainly am. :) ,bet you wish you could burn them flags now.
Muhaaaa Muhaaaaa
10 x Bob Crowe
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is bad!!!
@38
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See where you are coming from but I reckon that they have it in their head that they have a divine right to office and also that they are 100% right. Anyone who has disagreed with her thus far has been fired. If there is blood on the streets then it will be blamed on the right wing trying to destabalise the government...then watch the sh1t hit the fan...
'Moyano said the Vice-President “did not apply the anti-hoarding law when legislators were granted a wage increase of 100%”.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Am I missing something ... Argentinian politicians are being paid??? For doing what ??? The country is a disaster ... 30% inflation and politicians in denial.
What is this “hoarding” law?
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you talking about the $US restrictions?
I guess this pushes the Inevitable “distraction” ever closer.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, if this continues are you right, we can expect to see marches in support of the government and clashes between unions and those supporters. This government originally saw their path as a struggle between left and right, good and bad. It is now seeing their path as a struggle between them and anyone who disagrees with them (those who disagree and then normally accused of being right wing or having subsequently sold out to the right wing). You are either with them or against them.
I've just had a glance at the Buenos Aires Herald, looks like bloody chaos and not a Malvinas grabbing headline in sight. See how much those stupid people care about the Falklands when they have no fuel or food. Laugh laugh laugh. Oh sorry I can't resist - .jajajaja
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Que se vayan todos.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Helicopteros para todos.
46. The worse thing that can happen is an RG Prez to look weak. She started losing support and looking week when Boudou was indicted. To have a high gov't official and a favorite of CFK to be chased by the courts is a telling sign she was on her way out.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Unions see blood in the water, if she blinks and gives in it will only embolden the other unions.
There are no good solutions to this mess and I hope I am seeing the end of the K nightmare.
When the Buenos Aires Herald carries news more important that a 180 year old dispute over a bunch of windy rocks you just know there is trouble in the air.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hadn't really thought much about it - but for CFK to cut short a foreign junket there must be a grave risk to her leadership afoot.
Viva nutty trade unionists.
@39 I think with the unions in the UK in the 70's, they lost the support of the majority of people. What was it? A year on strike? And the wild-cat strikes and secondary picketing soon pissed people off. And Maggie had stock-piled coal in anticipation of the strikes so the effects were not so immediate.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was News International that took on the print unions. Quite right too. It was nothing short of a mafia organisation. They had virtually no public support.
It is different in Argentina because CFKC's government has always, actively spoken out in favor of the right to protest and strike. I remember her saying something like, 'it is not the policy of this government to stop protests'.
Do you think if the 50% of workers in Argentina paid on the 'black' contributed taxes, the burden on the rest of the workers would be less? This should have been tackled decades ago.
I expect we shall see CFKC wringing her hands and making mawkish speeches in her widows weeds to try to keep the people onside. If she loses them, she is gone.
46 Welsh Wizard (#)
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that the teamsters will get together with several other unions, especially the public employees and teachers.
I'm afraid that there WILL be blood in the streets, Kretina has to try and face down the Moyanos, that means violence. With just one driver dead all hell will break loose for the government, and the next step would be civil war.
I sincerely pray that someone in government will put a stopper on Kretina before we get to that, but I don't have much hope.
@52
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Simon, hope all is well. Not saying that there won't be blood on the tsreets just that I expect to see a massive and highly organise backlash of support for the government by the usual suspects and then things will get really hairy. How are things in Neuquen? Are the strikes having any impact near you?
53 Welsh Wizard (#)
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So far the only problem is the lack of fuel, otherwise all going swimmingly, good snow on the mountains and main gas is holding out so far.
@51 the situation will only get worse in Argentina and she will not give up power and wealth without dragging her people down first and securing her escape to a safe haven in ecudaor or venezula, but by that point Argentina would be on the verge of a break up of self governing states wanting SELF-DETERMINATION for Independance, how ironic would that be.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This news article needs to be declared a biological hazard zone. I had to wipe my screen from all the sexual fluids (both male and female), resulting from the licentious conceits regarding the “future” of Argentina ejaculating from the “contributors” here.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A lubricious Saturnalia kicked off here.
@54
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good, glad to hear things are ok. It is fundamentally important that main gas holds out. It would be totally unacceptable if the Neuquen bodegas lost their power...
Dusk has fallen on the bridge and the sullen sophist that skulks beneath is sad to be excluded from the celebrations.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the contrary my emulous epigone, I am basking in the lambent glow of the gloaming suffising the offing of my journey into my future.
No such word as 'suffising' old boy
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it makes you feel smarter than me. :)
@59 Are you sure you're not just sitting inside a large cardboard box covered in tin foil, pretending you're a time traveller again? That's what it sounds like, just sayin'. :P
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0None of you can admit I honor and adorn your native language with my near metric-like prose. I think that was my most beautiful try yet (the orthographic mistake of “suffusing” notwithstanding)
Jun 21st, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There may be trouble ahead,
Jun 21st, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but while there's moonlight and music and love and romance,
lets face the music and dance”.
“Before the fiddlers have fled............accompanied by pot banging cacerolazo.
To quote Professor Stanley Unwin ”Joy,deep joy,chickies roostey home come to”
Ref: youtube professorstanleyunwin.
One Englishman in Neuquen
Jun 21st, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“there WILL be blood in the streets”
“To be totally honest I fervently hope that the Moyanos take her to the cleaners”
Are death threats to the PM punishable in England “Simion” ?
Wow Marcos, are you still here? Shouldn't you be picking out a nice shack in the closest villa miseria for when your glorious leader buggers off into exile? If you hurry you might even get one slightly less drenched in rat piss. :)
Jun 21st, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.atributosurbanos.es/en/terms/villa-miseria/
@65 Taking someone to the cleaners isn't a death threat and there was no mention of whose blood it would be...wrong end of the stick
Jun 21st, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny how all the RG posters turn up at the same time? Did the electricity just come up or what?
Jun 21st, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I have been saying for a while...brrr it's cold this year.
A couple dead truck drivers should bring this maniac (literally) down pretty quickly.
Anyone want a bet if they have, 5, 6 or 7 Presidents next week? hahahahaha
65 Marcos Alejandro (#)
Jun 21st, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lets put that quote in context, Mike, I don't think there is any death threat to Cameron.
@52: “I'm afraid that there WILL be blood in the streets, Kretina has to try and face down the Moyanos, that means violence. With just one driver dead all hell will break loose for the government, and the next step would be civil war.”
Ah, you mean the President, no there isn't a death threat to Kretina either, Mike.
“Taking CFK to the cleaners” simply means finding her a bath to scrub off the plaster she chucks on her face every morning. I can't see how that can be translated as a death threat?
Jun 21st, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First time that I see a Simion gorilla that loves “radicheta”.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well to be fair, make-up, botox and liberal use of a staple gun are the only things keeping her withered carcass together. Cleaning her probably does = death.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 068 yankeeboy Are you cold Fred? Can't afford a Casa Lopez jacket anymore?
Jun 21st, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Yank.
Great move by the army, now the truckers can go on a lifelong stoke, As the oligarchs did in Venezuela, The army is a great tool to teach thugs to live in harmony with a civilized democracy, moyano and his son should end up in jail for conspiracy against Argentina, let's not forget this groups are the people who export argentina food supply and import poverty.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 074 Pirat-Hunter (#)
Jun 21st, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long live the progressive government of Kretina Kirchner. So now the heroes are the military once again (1976???) and the enemy are the workers.
No wonder BK is absent!!!
@74 Why don't you “disappear” them? I bet you'd love a return to the good ole days.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blink....CFK agreed to 25.5% increase. I guess she'll have to agreeto the same for everyone. Unions have the power she just gave it to them.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PRINT PRINT PRINT
Schadenfreude -a good German word.-Enjoying the misfortunes of others.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After all the verbal shit, propaganda and economic blockades the Falklands/UK have had to endure recently.Its nice to see Argentina endure blockades of their own. CFKs policies are coming home to roost. No sympathy. Karma.
CFK is no doubt pleased to exit the G20 early. Zero pleasure for her and tamborineman following british encounter with Mr Cameron and pointing figures from the rest regarding Argentine protectist measures. It doesn't rain it pours... good.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0| 73 |
Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Casa Lopez..I remember old dialogue between Think-Fred
Marcos Alejandro ?...one of the names of Think
betrayed yourself... thud .......you doltish ninny !
Follow austerity and everything is fine. If I have to walk, I walk...If I have to eat less, ..I eat less...
Jun 21st, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember as a child following the advice made by former argentine president Arturo Frondizi telling the argentinians to follow austerity.
Remember all past generations did not have fuel and the selection of food we all like to have, but they survived worst times.
I repeat I am very concerned about the bad economic times of my 2 countries, Argentina and the US ...without a quick recovery..Here in the US strikes threats are made by bus drivers asking for increase of wages and lower health insurance costs. Food is astronomically high, US citizens are riding bikes....
I REPEAT, IF SOME OF THE VIEWERS HAVE THE PERFECT ECONOMIC PLAN FOR ARGENTINA AND THE US....PLEASE STAND UP!
| 81 |
Jun 21st, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you one of the [ desaparecidos ] ?
If the people of Argentina don't finally take this opportunity to rise up and ditch the bitch, then they deserve whatever squalid future comes their way.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@81 Sussie
Jun 21st, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Economic plan for USA , stop getting involved in unwinnable wars,stop blind support for Israel, costs a fortune and they will stab you in the back when it suits them and start another war.Stop buying Chinese goods make them yourselves. Sorted.
Argentina?-even God couldn't sort Argentina.You have all the natural resources, and the most inept and corrupt politicians. Saludos
@63 WE don't spell “honor” as you do. Apparently, you have only learned American.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65 Nope. Cameron is a “grown-up”.
@74 How does one import povery? Does it come in containers or tankers?
@81 I've got an economic plan for the US. But I'm not telling you. I've also got one for argieland. DIE!
yapper !...
Jun 21st, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where's BK tonight keeping quiet with his tissues?
Jun 21st, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I kinda miss O'Gara. I want him/her to explain again how everyone in Argentina feels rich!
Jun 21st, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@81 why should anyone help you or give you a PLAN? You have been warned by an awful lot of people for a LONG time and chose to do nothing except tell lies, bully and fail to pay your debts to other countrys. You reep what you sow. I dare say CFK will have some plan up her wizards sleeve including the Falklands, History repeating itself?
Jun 21st, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We'll have a whip-round for her - won't we chaps?
Jun 21st, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0awfully quiet on here from the rgenweeners, but as Yankeeboy says on another thread it's probably hard to get on internet with no power Brrrr, well can't say they weren't told eh?
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Jun 21st, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 080 MagiClick You are a genius.
Jun 21st, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is Moyano going to be given a one way air ticket to the South Atlantic?
Jun 21st, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@82 McClick
Jun 21st, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I am Susana Brown from the US, an argentinian very concern about the bad economic times of my 2 countries, the US and Argentina.
95 Sussie US
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are nobody.
90 Steveu
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Put me down for 30 lashes. On second thoughts make it 50, I'm a generous sort of guy. :o)
@15 KretinaK.
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow 40% income tax on an income of only US$1200 per month.
CFK should be wearing a mask and gloves, because that is robbery. To give you an example next door in Chile the top tax rate is 40% as well, but on incomes over US$ 11,600 per month (no one gets this much). As for the truck driver who gets US$1200 p/m in Argentina, well if he earned that in Chile he would pay 5% income tax. He would also be deducted 7% mandatory health insurance, 0.6% unemployment insurance and he would also have to put 12% into his retirement savings plan (this is his own money compounding interest so one day he can retire with dignity). We have a good system that costs the state very little but gives the worker the necessary protection. Remember we are not a ridiculously rich country like Argentina. The government is currently improving the whole tax system to lower even more the tax burden and increase the corp tax a little more.
98 # : What is the point of being a ridiculously rich country like Argentina when the politicians at all levels leech the very lifeblood out of the place ? Chile is fantastic , went there once , loved it .
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@96 Zhivago
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DIE BIG BASTARD!.... ...TO PROTECT conQUEERRRR YOU ARE THE ON THAT REMOVE @92 ....COWARD ASSHOLE...
WHAT ARE YOU ..AFRAID OF WHAT?...DIE BASTARD1.... DIEEEEEEEE!
Well since people have been asking after me (and I've only been gone because I was having a real life, I don't spend all my time on here you know) let me just say that I still support the beautiful Cristina and her progressive programme, and am angry not at the workers but at the Moyano donkeys that are misleading them into a disastrous conflict with a uniquely vibrant President that they should be working with against the common enemy of international capital. It seems to me like the right wing union bureaucrat Moyano is trying to take over for himself and become a traditional Peronist President, but he might well open the door for even worse leaders if he gets rid of Cristina.
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile the likes of Elaine simultaneously praise Thatcher (and Murdoch!) while crying crocodile tears for the workers of Argentina out of sheer opportunism, while gloating that they are more likely to beat Cristina precisely because she is kinder than Maggie and has always defended the right to protest and strike, unusually so for a ruler actually. This mentality which is really nothin but the scenting of blood is alien to the real workers movement and I hope and pray Moyano is quickly sacked by his rank and file and replaced with a Cristinista, or at least someone who believes in solidarity.
I do for once hope Simon is right though when he says at #34 “if Kretina wins this round whatever happens to the economy she will be home and free until 2015, I don't think that the mid term elections will hurt her” Just hope she wins then, and since this article went up its been going better already with the end of the strike =)
Finally I'd like to say that her early return shows that Cristina is, contrary to your claims, a responsible and hands on President. I do hope she got some shopping done in New York though, she deserves a bit of pleasure in her life amid all the hard work for her people
100 Sussie US
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hardly think Conqueror needs or wants any protection, I would love to know what you said in that post.
You need to take some estrogen pills, dried up old women after a certain age become depleted and need to replenish that hormone. Oh yes, I forgot, the two countries you claim citizenship in don't have free healthcare do they? I guess you will either have to pay for it using the money you made on tips being a chambermaid or continue on in your increasingly annoying dementia.
Looks like I finally got to you judging by your latest post!
What a bummer I wanted to read sussies post. How come they get removed by the editor? We are all grown ups here I'm sure we can handle whatever she posts.
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@102 Zhivago
Jun 22nd, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I DON'T WORK, I DON'T NEED TO WORK....I AM ENJOYING LIFE..
There is no comments made by you or ConQUEEERRRRR that will degrade me...I told you that many times.!..ConQUUUEERRR is pretending to be somebody but he is not....he is a COWARD degrading my country, the argentine leader and argentinians....HIS FRIENDS in ARIZONA BAKE THE CORNISH PASTRIES FOR A LIVING....HAHAHA..NOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAID?
104 Sussie us
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't understand the cornish pasties reference, please enlighten me!
3 JPhillips (#). No, gas here means just that. The other is fuel or petrol. Gas is transported in trucks the same as Calor Gas. The problem with the income tax is that the minimum threshold for the tax hasn't been adjusted for 12 years whilst salaries have been increasing with inflation. The threshold should have been adjusted for inflation along with the salaries. Moyano is no saint to any of our community and as corrupt as any of the officials but right now we are all backing him against a common enemy worse than he is.
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey this is what the Argentine Peso will look like soon.
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nostate.com/2973/five-hundred-billion-dinars-do-you-have-change-for-this/
@101
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr BK you have put your faith in a false god, all politicians are the same, corrupt, pathetic, opportunistic and manipulative. I'm afraid your beloved Cristina is no exception. She will serve her time, people's live's won't change much at all and then she will retire wealthy. It happens in every country on earth, there are no true statesmen/women anymore, the last true statesman in LatAm for example was Lula Da Silva, well at least in my opinion. There are't any more real statesmen/women like Churchill, Thatcher, Roosevelt, De Gaulle etc, for example so please sir don't put your faith in a career politician.
@104 - SussieUS
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0So what you are saying is that you are a pariah on society by sitting back and doing no work, while the hard working tax-payers, pay for you? Pathetic much.
Anyway in regards to the news article, CFK is getting close to the end of her disasterous reign as President. Soon the downtrodden, HARD-WORKING, people will rise up and oust her. With any luck, she won't be able to make it to the helicoptor in time, and then they can really show her the meaning of justice.
#109 That sounds like a fitting end....for the caudillo Franco in Paraguay!
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@110 - BK
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are the worst kind of socialist - a hipocritical one.
CFK has destroyed the economy of Argentina, and all those downtrodden workers are the ones who have to pay, with higher taxes, high inflation, restrictions on their freedoms etc...
And what does CFK have? At least US$ 3 million in the bank (that she admits to anyway), and probably a lot more squirrelled away in overseas bank accounts.
If CFK was truly for the people, a true socialist, then she would give away her money to the poor people, proving she stands with them shoulder to shoulder in poverty.
But like all socialists and communists, she tells the people what they should have and what they should be grateful for, but don't follow those rules herself. I bet she's never gone hungry in her life.
But CFK isn't a socialist is she? Oh no, she is more like a fascist, and if she brings the Army in to break up the demonstrations, it will be the final nail in her coffin.
You BK are a sad socialist wanna be. Communism and socialism don't work, and never have, because human nature won't allow it. So people lead and some people follow. Some people work hard, and some people are lazy and refuse to work. Whats equal about that? Whats equal about someone who claims to be for the poor, who stashes away huge sums of money for themselves?
Why should the hard-working people constantly pay for lazy ne'er do wells who think it's somehow their god given right to lounge around all day and expect someone else to always pay for them. That's you isn't BK, a lazy slob who's probably never done a decent days work in your whole life.
And when the poor and the downtrodden workers rise in Argentina, I truly hope that CFK and her corrupt, thieving government, get strung up in the streets as a warning to future governments as to what happens to thieves and liars.
111 LEPRecon
Jun 23rd, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, sir.
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Jun 23rd, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conqueror is one of the other names of “ Think ”.
Think is “ queer” version of her name
Conqueror is “ bawdy ” version of her name.
It is all falling down around CFk's tureky neck. I have nothing against most Argentines but I can't wait to see their disasterous government go the journey.
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