MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
“A coup against Mercosur” claims leading Brazilian newspaper
Brazil’s conservative but influential daily O Estado de Sao Paulo dedicated the main Tuesday editorial to the Mercosur suspension of Paraguay and the entrance of Venezuela arguing that what happened at the group’s summit in Mendoza was “a coup against” the block. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesare those bogus conservatives that desperate?
Jul 03rd, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does that so called left vs right paradigm even exist in Brazil?
The last time I visited that nation, nobody cared to answer (which is actually good news, never trust your government, no matter where you live).
The right vs. left dichotomy is very much alive in Brazil's media. And as the right owns basically all of the bigger media outlets, press reactions to the latest Mercosur developments will of course be skewed, and self-righteous demonization of Venezuela will rule the day. I don't even waste time reading pieces about matters that I know the journos are biased -- bet they're completely overlooking Paraguayan protests supportive of Lugo. And so is Mercopress.
Jul 04th, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0They let Venezuela get into Mercosur right after they had suspended Paraguay´s rights in Mercosur. That was a mistake, it definitely looks like a coup against it. Paraguay doesn´t deserve this kind of national humiliation, they will leave Mercosur forever.
Jul 04th, 2012 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil goes around the world demanding the US and the UK not to intervene in internal conflicts in Syria and Iran.
Why don´t they follow the same philosophy in South America and let the Paraguayan people decide their future on their own terms and according to their own laws.
@3
Jul 04th, 2012 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because the US and UK come to Mercosur demanding non-intervention in internal matters but of course do the exact opposite themselves.
You're really dumb if you think that tyipical tools of Western interventionism -- sanctioning and starving the people when not outright bombing it -- somehow equal a suspension from a trade bloc: a suspension, by the way, that wasn't the initiative of “the people” but of an ultra-partisan congress in violation of the country's constitution. Fortunately Mexicans as a whole are far from being attack dogs for US whims in foreign policy. Also, you don't seem to understand the concept of coup.
Jul 04th, 2012 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're really dumb if you think that typical tools of Western interventionism -- sanctioning and starving the people when not outright bombing it -- somehow equal a suspension from a trade bloc: a suspension, by the way, that was in response, not to an initiative of “the people” but of an ultra-partisan congress in violation of the country's constitution. Fortunately Mexicans as a whole are far from being attack dogs for US whims in foreign policy. Also, you don't seem to understand the concept of coup.
Jul 04th, 2012 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Forgetit86,
Jul 04th, 2012 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0This circus around Mercosur has only showed the rest of the world that the arrogance and prepotence of the governments of Argentina and Brazil are not building a trade bloc, but rather dismantling it. Paraguay will leave them quickly, Chavez will make a fool of himself and yourselves. In the end it will be called the Mercommodity bloc!
@TTT & Forgetit
Jul 04th, 2012 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I need some help here. I am not anti Mercosur and not an Argie basher as you know. I can't see good reason for the Mercosur reaction to Lugo's impeachment.
The impreachment was approved almost unanimously in both houses, which means it was supported across the political spectrum in Paraguay. It seems perfectlly legitimate.
What is the reason for suspending Paraguay from Mercosur. I am not trolling. I want to understand the otherside of this.
@JoseAngeldeMonterrey
Jul 04th, 2012 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good way not to respond to a post at all. What, won't you show me how suspending a country from a trade bloc is the same as the starving and sanctioning tactics the countries you so admire adhere to? I don't think anyone's gonna shed any tears for Paraguay if it does decide to leave for good -- otherwise Venezuela wouldn't be called in in the first place. You're Chávez bogeyman is kind og a dead horse.
Just a suggestion, you should rename NAFTA “NADROGA”, after all, that is what your country most offers the US... and the world.
Forgetit,
Jul 04th, 2012 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Respectfully, Mercosur will shed tears if Paraguay leaves, because it will signal the death of that trade bloc for no other countries in the region will feel compel to join a trade bloc where two countries get to push the others around and change the rules arbitrarily.
Paraguay´s departure will also mean a set back to Brazil´s intention to create its own region of influence. Paraguay may decide to join the Pacific Alliance with Chile, Peru, Colombia and Mexico, or enter into free trade agreements with the United States, Mexico, Colombia and other countries.
The economic integration of South America will have to wait many more years for more visionary leaders than those who are today creating division and conflict among their neighbors and partners.
“Just a suggestion, you should rename NAFTA “NADROGA”, after all, that is what your country most offers the US... and the world.”
Jul 04th, 2012 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0You forgot to add that the remittances that the illegal aliens from Mexico sent home, (number one export to the US, another reason they beg the US not to secure/close the border). That's number one income higher than the income from their failed PEMEX, second drugs and their narco war that's getting out of control. NAFTA was and still is a win for corporate USA who rapes both nations.
Fido Dido, Forgetit,
Jul 04th, 2012 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0How is it that a nation so plagued with so many problems as Mexico still exports more high value manufactured goods than Brazil and Argentina together?
I cannot imagine what it will be like when those terrible problems are corrected.
But actually South America is the largest drug exporter in the world, and Brazil is in the list of countries most plagued with crime and drug cartels.
Jose Angel de Monterrey
Jul 04th, 2012 - 05:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0July 3 2012
“Abaten a cuatro sicarios en Monterrey”
Four hitmen killed in your city just a few hours ago and many other things.
Do you watch your local news?
http://www.blogdelnarco.com/
Condorito
Jul 04th, 2012 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0The very same senate of Paraguay that impeached thier own President, is the same people that have been effectively stopping Venezuela from Mercosur. For 5 years Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Lugo have been trying to make them a full member and when this impeachment thing showed up, I would guess that the other 3 nations saw it as an opportunity to get Venezuela in through the back door.
I dn't blaim them, Mercosur is an economical union, and Paraguay's senate keeping them out of the bloc is nothing but political. Furthermore, they put democracy aside when they removed their President from office.
So, Paraguay mix politics with economics and disregards democratic values, and now they cry because Latin America responds with the same coin...
Because it is true, Mercosur shouldn't be politics, and before a new member is accepted, all former members must agree.
# 14
Jul 04th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are oligarchic values not democratic values in the real world.
grow up !
You can see solely the seen part of iceberg not rest.
Paraguay should never have been allowed to join Mercosur in the first place.
Jul 04th, 2012 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like Greece to the Euro and Britain to EU just troubling countries.
@Fido Dido
“are those bogus conservatives that desperate?”
Yes
“Does that so called left vs right paradigm even exist in Brazil?”
Yes
Funny to bring in the Greece-EU analogy to south america.
Jul 04th, 2012 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here in Europe we call Greece the “Argentina of Europe” due to similarities in their default circumstances.
This newspaper is obviously of the standard we're investigating over here in the Leveson Inquiry, I stopped taking it at all seriously as soon as I read it quoted “Cristina Fernandez whose “democratic credentials are more than doubtful””!
Jul 04th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0British Idiot!8
Jul 04th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina's gender is doubtful, her democratic credentials are non-existent.
8 Condorito (#)
Jul 04th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As TTT and Forgetit seem to have left you in the lurch, I'll have a shot at answering you from MY perspective:
As I see it the only reason for the suspension of Paraguay is purely political, the fear in the hearts of the pseudo left-wing Cristina and the truly left-wing Dilma and Pepe, that this could spread.
They see that one of their own, Lugo, is impeached by the people who he has been leading to destruction, and realize that their time COULD be up.
I don't think this could happen to Dilma, because apart from the stupidity of the protectionist policies of the last few months she is doing a good job, but certainly Cristina should be looking over her shoulder as her policies become more and more hysterical.
@17
Jul 04th, 2012 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reminds me of the nickname Mexico's football team has in the new world: The England of America.
Bright minds and not so bright ones may figure out why.
A few months ago “Dilma” and her supporters were all in a hissy fit and growling that when she went to visit the US and meet with Obama, she was not received as an official state visit, however a few weeks before, some lower ranking officials from China and the UK were received as an official state visit. When this was questioned by “Dilma”, they told her there are no official state visits during election years - ja ja Dilma this is not an election year. They pretty much lied in your face but let you come anyway. They didn't receive you as an official state visit because plain and simple, your politics are garbage, you are a SUDAKA and will always be one, and you surround yourself with terrorist thugs like Cristina Kirchner and Hugo Chavez. Go crawl back into the amazon with the rest of the animals and when you become a serious government (I am not holding my breath) then maybe we can look at you. For now forget Dilma, go play with Cristina and Hugo!
Jul 04th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now an op-ed piece of a conservative newspaper in Brazil is headlines news for Mercopress. What kind of sub-news-agency is Mercopress becoming? Don't you have reporters to actually report real news?
Jul 04th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2:
Jul 04th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you call “the Brazilian right” is not as powerful and biased as you think. In the first place, its influence is not as wide as that of the academia, which is indisputably dominated by the left. (In Brazil one can always go up in life without reading “Veja” or “O Globo”, but one can rarely do so without attending a university, where contact with some version or other of Marxism is mandatory. Besides, Brazilian higher education is generously funded out of tax revenues, with few questions asked, a condition of ease and comfort which no private media outlets enjoy.) In the second place, there is absolutely no distortion of the truth in describing neo-Bolivarism as both immoral and obtuse.
Guzz, I would agree with you until you say “disregards democratic values”.
Jul 04th, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is the constitutional, unanimous, impeachment undemocratic?
I am not judging mercosur, or saying they shouldn’t have suspended Paraguay, they will have their reasons, but is it not true to say this is just opportunism with a flimsy pretext?
Simon,
It is certainly political, but I don’t think that fear of political impeachment is the driving factor.
What is in this for Brazil?
Is the idea of a regional trade block not to free up trade internally and use collective weight to better negotiate with other blocks?
Mercosur seems to be achieving neither of these.
21 TTT Good one, I like it.
@FelipeSC
Jul 05th, 2012 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0What can you expect mate?
They are good as Clarin a multimedia group with billions of dollar.
And taking in to account that the guys may be only have a little office in Uruguay and may be they are short of cash their job is quite good.
The only lamentable thing is that like Clarinete they read the same stuff but that can be changed I guess.
BWT how much will cost an especial interview with Dany Berger? I need to promote some stuff you know?
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