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Paraguay formally accuses Venezuela of interference and orders ambassador home
Paraguay's new government ordered home its ambassador in Venezuela after accusing President Hugo Chávez government of meddling in an attempt to avert the impeachment of the Paraguayan president last month. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesNow forgive me if I'm wrong, but in plain language Venezuela is being accused of conspiring with the Paraguayan military to overturn/prevent legal due process (albeit a process that can be criticised due to its haste). Is this any different from encouraging a military coup?
Jul 05th, 2012 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You miss the point, there are good military coups and bad military coups. This, in the eyes of Argentina, Venezuela and maybe even Brazil would have been a good military coup.
Jul 05th, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0A good military coup is not a military coup but an extension of South American diplomacy.
It's so simple!
A military COUNTER-coup could indeed be “good”, though its just as likely that the allegations are entirely false. Cutting diplomatic relations with Venezuela eh, so the the right wing backlash under this appaling government is well under way!
Jul 05th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0wow... nice to see BK true colours!
Jul 05th, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0#4 What do you mean by that, is it shameful to defend democracy? Or to oppose cutting diplomatic links with Venezuela? Theres still a Venezuelan ambassador in Britain, does that make Cameron an evil commie?
Jul 05th, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 05 BK. Lets see you support a Autocracy (Venezuelan) thats wanted to stage a military coup against democratically elected Paraguayan senate who were within their right to impeach a (ex-)president. like i said i see your true colours shining threw :p
Jul 05th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0What cornish is saying BK, is that ou are like a sailing boat, you go where the wind takes you!!!
Jul 05th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You support a regime that calls itself left wing just because it calls itself left wing. Chavez has robbed his people blind and can only go on robbing them as long as the petroleum keeps flowing. Cristina is robbing us blind and cannot keep it up much longer because she cannot afford to get the petroleum flowing, so she brings Chavez into Mercosur to help put up the money she needs to go on robbing us.
You are a very queer fish BK!!!
Sadly BK mind is clouded by to much loyalty the CFK ,
Jul 05th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps .
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Let me get this straight BK......a constitutional sanctioned action to remove a president is a coup and coups are bad.......but sometimes a unconstitutionally sanctioned military action, a coup “proper” is okay and just what is needed. So is this the logic:
Jul 05th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 01-Coups are bad when they are not aligned with left wing terrorists
2-Coups are good when they are aligned with left wing terrorists
You have more contradictions in all the areas that you write than a free market leader. Sit on the toilet.....stick your head up your arse , take a deep breath and clear your thoughts. You are a leftist socialist because you yourself cannot compete on your own and you want someone to give you free almost noting handouts.
Socialism will never create opportunities...only dependence. Argentina is the toilet that has not been flushed yet.
What Paraguay did was laudable. The leftists in South America including Roussef, CFK, Mujica and Chavez appear to be upset about this. Perhaps because that is the fate that awaits them. Is CFK next? Hopefully.
Jul 05th, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 09 Captain Poppy (#)
Jul 05th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another “locura”:
Human rights in Argentina are only for the left wing, there has been no ruling in any court against the left wing muderers of thousands of innocent people BEFORE the dictatorship took over in March 1976.
Sa far as I can see the pseudo-left wing governments are all kleptocracies doing the Robin Hood bit, but forgetting to hand over the proceeds to the poor!!!!
Everyone should know the background to BK or Blind_Scottie_Kirchnerist as I refer to him.
Jul 05th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He lives in Glasgow, Scotland and is a product of the Old Labour Party in Scotland.
They were, in effect, communists and promoted extreme left wing policies from within the party. They destroyed many industrial companies whilst fighting for 'worker's rights'.
He claims to be in favour of staying within the UK. This guy is not stupid; he knows when he is better off. Salmond and 'independence' is a road to disaster and has not been thoroughly thought through by many of its' supporters.
BK also appears to be a wind-up merchant when you look at some of his posts but undoubtedly he does get himself confused when it comes to The Mad Bitch of Argentina. Given his affection for her he must be in his mid to late sixties.
i know that ousting (or impeaching) an elected President is a matter of 2 hours work.
Jul 05th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That doesn't make it democratic.
What Maduro may have said, if indeed anything, to Paraguay top militar is anyones guess.
Captain Poppy, whom are you calling terrorists? Look up the definition of the word and you'll find out that USA/UK are the one and true terrorists on this planet, the governments that is, not the people.
It makes it democratic when a national choices a REPUBLIC form or democracy and that is what Paraguay is a republic form of democracy. You want pure democracy, allow every decision the state/nation makes be subject to public vote or else shutup and accept a republic democracy. With a republic government they can oust a president in 5 minutes and it is legal and democratic because it is a REPUBLIC democracy. I take it you are new at democratic principles.
Jul 05th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if you think making war with enemies is terrorism, wake up and smell the napalm. Terrorist is the use of terror to affect fear to generate a desired outcome. Whether it be demanding that fellow terrorist be released or a bad event will take place......or demanding a private (non government) owned entity do X, like banks lend money at interest rates half the interest rate, or sell oil at less that the market price, or the government will rob and seize your assets, or even steal your 30 years of saved pension and give you an IOU for 5% of the original value.
KFC has really lost it........Brazil is the only country in SA that can stand in the worldwide community and even she is starting to cause pause.
Captain Poppy
Jul 05th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Terror is to inflict fear indeed...
When you drop bombs over women and children you inflict just that, fear.
When you torture a man, his fear is touchable...
I don't know what your view on democracy is, but in Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay, to name a few, a President elected by the PEOPLE, can't be ousted like the one in Paraguay. There are procedures to follow. Procedures that are dependent of eachother, thus to do it in such a haste as it was done in Paraguay, shows signs of rupture in democracy
Coups engineered by the US in the past have been negative in the long run. Why should one engineered by Venezuela be any different?
Jul 05th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why a constitutional way of ousting a president by members of elected parliament is non democratic and a change of the constitution in one country made to allow the elected (relected twice already) president run for a 5th term at the office is democratic...????
Jul 05th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The answer is crystal clear, don´t you think....???
When a coup d'etait is promoted by leftist then it´s good, like Fidelito and friends did in Cuba or Chavito tried to do in Venezuela some years ago, but when the constitutional ousting of a bad leftist president is done then it´s bad....because being leftist-socialist-comunist-marxixt-leninist-terrorist (all synonyms meaning) it allow you to do any brutality you can imagine due the single fact you are l-s-c-m-l-t--ist, BUT...if you aren´t that crap-like human (thinking?) being a center or right wing thinker, then you can't do anything because all you do is against the human right, a figure created by the leftist propaganda masters to divert the scrutiny over their practices as terrorist trained to destroy the democracy around the world.....they never included the terrorist acts as contrary to the human rights, only the NOT leftist Gvts. actions against the terorism are considered as “lesa humanity crimes” and, of course, the Cuban Gvt. and its policies never apply to a human right break.....
Is as we say the funnel law.....the wide side for the leftist ever....
But, when you anlize the whole world, you never will find a leftist ruled country with succesful history...in economics and social issues....even the “new socialist” in Spain, Greece and Portugal have sunk the way of life of million people that are paying a very expensive price these days looking for a recovery from the bottom of the barrel. Same is happening in SA, where just the right wing ruled countries are keeping their well economic condition even the leftist are rebelling the citiziens to desestabileze them.
#15
Jul 06th, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you've lived through those bombs that you talk of, when you've been there and done that, when you know the targeted end of those strikes and show that civilians are the target, than talk to to me. Until then you talk like a man with a paper ass.
If the middleeast did not want bombs up their peoples ass, they should have left the Twin Towers alone.
And again you apparently do not understand a republic, one in which I believe you live under. 5 minutes or 5 years, it's constitutionally legal. And let's not forget America, which you obviously know of from the media and nothing more, is the oldest demoncracy on earth. Do you know what our last military coup was? 1775 when farmers decided to oust the British of whom we are now best of friends. 226 years with the same constitution and the people of the world want to still immigrant here. We must be doing something right.
As for tortue....you fight fire with fire. Myself.....for a muslim terrorist.....my preference is a beheading and buried with a pig.
@15 Let's get this straight.
Jul 06th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Sending FOUR naval task groups against largely undefended islands would be terrorism.
2. Sending 66,000 troops to invade and occupy largely undefended islands would be terrorism.
3. Incarcerating over 100 people, including children, for days without providing food and with armed troops outside the building would be terrorism.
4. Placing artillery pieces between people's homes would be terrorism.
Here's a tip about democracy. If the PEOPLE of Paraguay have agreed their constitution, that's THEIR choice. It's not YOUR choice. It may not be in accordance with your procedures but that's not the point. It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!! You criticise Britain for “interfering” in other countries. What are YOU doing? At least Britain goes to the United Nations and discusses matters with other interested parties. You gather your little local club together and have a little kangeroo “court” at which the defendant doesn't even get to appear. You are just hypocrites.
#19
Jul 06th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very nicely put. They seem to think that democracy is sliced one way, not to mention their love of a double standard and ignorance of what a constitution is. Then again, that continent tends to change constitutions as often as the lies out of KFC's botox inflamed lips.
19 Conqueror (#):
Jul 06th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are getting very good at this Conqueror, another excellent post!!!
Uruguayan president Mr. Mujica ganged up with the big boys on the block to bully Paraguay. Not the first time this has happened in Uruguayan history. Uruguay's General Flores also ganged up with Argentina and Brazil at the time of the shameful war of the Triple Alliance. As a Uruguayan, Mr Mujica's behaviour causes me shame and embarrassment, just as General Flores' did in the case of earlier generations. What business of ours, or any other outsider, is it how good or bad Paraguay's constitution and laws may be? Paraguay has done nothing illegal, attacked no neighbour. Anyway, they're lucky to be out of Mercosur.
Jul 06th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How did Uruguay bully Paraguay? By asking the other countries on not imposing a trade embargo on Paraguay? According to your views, Uruguay not only saved their market, they also lended them a hand to get them out of Mercosur. You should be proud of your little nation :)
Jul 07th, 2012 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm proud of Uruguay, but not of my government's actions. If Mujica had any sense of decency he would have vetoed Paraguay's exclusion. He could have, but lacked the guts.
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