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Chile and Brazil lead the Global Innovation index in the region
An international study released this week ranked Chile first among Latin American countries on the Global Innovation Index (GII), though Chile received mediocre scores in the area of education. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesInnovative and dumb has never been a good mix...
Jul 08th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what are Chile and Brazil innovating exactly if their primary and secondary education systems are worse then Argentina? (and that is nauseating)
Jul 08th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”So what are Chile and Brazil innovating exactly if their primary and secondary education systems are worse then Argentina? (and that is nauseating)”
Jul 08th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you apply deduction, you have to come to the conclusion, that tertiary education of all things must bail it out. Primary and secondary education in Chile ranks very bad, much worse than the general ranking of education of the country. This also concides to the latest 2012 QS University rankings of Latin America, which show Chile as the nation with the highest density of TOP ranked universities in the region. Considering the students complaints, this looks somehow irionic.
Yes the problem is that Argentina's universities rank very poorly worldwide because they are the only ones in the world that are open-door. So if in the rest of the world only 1 in 4 secondary graduates go to college, in Argentina 3 in 4 try out for college.
Jul 08th, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since in the rest of the world the “drop-out” rate from college is done even before they attend (they just never get in), in Argentina the drop-out occurs within the 1st year of college. Which makes the graduation rate look atrocious in comparison when it is merely a statistical mismeaurement.
4@ The mentioned ranking is based not on the drop out rate but on the post graduates teachers, investigation and published papers and studies mainly....where the Argentine unis are not so well qualified.....
Jul 09th, 2012 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0And, yes may be the schools and unis in Chile are privates and why a private business can´t be profited if it have made its work OK ??? Worst is when a school or uni is state owned and make its work bad...specially when the money is wasted reciving students which haven´t the capabilities to get in and it´s known that will be fired at his first year...?? Some kind of selection must be used to choose the students that can became professionals...The other way is just populism...may be you can offer them guaranted professional tittles for all the students because the equaly rules you seems to be supporting....Quantity isn´t synonymous of quality, don´t you know..?? Hurt it...????
TTT
Jul 09th, 2012 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0What does Chile innovate?
Primarily technology related to mining processes.
On Unis: I think French unis are open door, but not sure about that.
University rankings are based on quality of published research and quality of graduates, not on drop-out rates. If Argentine universities are ranked poorly, it is because they score lowly in these areas.
Guzz,
People are not “dumb” because they cannot access good education.
Which means it is measuring, let's say, 20.000 chilean graduates versus 400.000 argentine graduates.
Jul 09th, 2012 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's not very fair... it's like comparing grapes meticulously culled by hand in vineyard A vs machinery tumble pile of all grapes in vineyard B, to determine which vineyard has better quality. A bit flawed then.
Or at least, just state that in Chile and Brazil the access to such graduation rates is far lower than Argentina, but generally better formed than the argentine graduates in their TOTAL (not the top talent which surely is just as good but gets diluted in the more average mass)>
TTT
Jul 09th, 2012 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The open door system accounts for lots of students entering, but as you stated in post 4, they are rapidly culled in the first years. So the number of graduates as a % of population must be broadly the same as in other countries. High numbers of graduates wouldn’t affect quality of published research, which is the other influential factor in the uni rankings.
I am sure the uni rankings are far from perfect (and certainly Anglo biased), but there must be something in them, if Chilean and Brazilian universities are the highest ranked in the region and the same two countries lead the innovation index (a completely separate international study).
We need to improve public education in Chile. However, we have more than enough university graduates for the job market, including some professions are over deluged with too many lawyers, architects, journalists, etc...
Jul 09th, 2012 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0We need more trade schools, like Europe.
Well. Look at the azzwipe they (s)elected as pResidunce.
Jul 09th, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Too bad Michelle can't go another round or three.
Doug,
Jul 09th, 2012 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She can and she may well be back.
So......Argentine ranking is what it deserve right now......may be in the future you can expect better ranking......if you change your quantity, quality & research ratio....
Jul 09th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah...!!! Better if you research about the graduates number in Chile.....may be you'll have a big surprise.....
“Which means it is measuring, let's say, 20.000 chilean graduates versus 400.000 argentine graduates. ”
Jul 09th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0errr...mate, totally wrong direction. Research a bit... Chile with about 1 million has a way higher ratio of tertiary students than Argentina has, related to it's own population.
Don't .... Don't believe the hype!
I know that to the developed countries of the OECD Chile's education system looks very weak. All this has to be put in the context that we were in the STONE age in 1975. The current admin is doing a valiant effort without sending the budget into deficit. When compared to Argentina however several very curious statistics rear their head. Firstly Argentina has a free tertiary sys and we don't. In fact Chile's sys is very expensive. But indulge me on these tertiary education facts.
Jul 10th, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are 3 times as many students in Argentina compared to Chile, their population is much bigger but they graduate only 2.5 students per 1,000 population compared to 4 per 1,000 population in Chile. This is 60% more graduates.
In Chile for every 100 university entrants 66 graduate, in Argentina this drops to a dismal 26 per 100 entrants. Universidad de Salta only managed 3 graduates per 100 entrants.
Per every 1000 lawyers that graduate in Argentina only 37 engineers graduate. In Chile it's 207 engineers per 1000 lawyers graduated.
This last stat blew me away.. Look: In Argentina 12% of the poorest attend University. In Chile this figure is 17%. Argentine tertiary education is not more inclusive. This really shines a spotlight on those loving families in Chile who are doing it very very tough to send their kids to university often raking up mortgage size debt in order to give their kids a better start in life. Why has the FREE Argentinian sys failed the country and the students? Why aren't they churning out huge numbers of graduates? why aren't they the brain factory of Latin America?
I'd like to know.
Source http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1409228-quien-paga-la-universidad
CP
Jul 10th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good post. Interesting stats. I think Chilean families might even spend the most on education (as % of income) in the OECD.
Why do free systems fail?
You get what you pay for.
#3 Except even the report talks about “the crisis in tertiary education...highlighted in 2011”!
Jul 10th, 2012 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BK
Jul 11th, 2012 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The crisis in tertiary education in Chile revolves around funding/profit not quality. Of course quality has to be improved and will be.
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