Paraguay should not be suspended from the Organization of American States, OAS, despite the removal of President Fernando Lugo, said on Wednesday Roberta Jacobson, Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs. Read full article
Well said, Guzz. I see no use for OAS. When the perpetrator of the Coup (CIA/USDOD/US State Dept./Monsanto) uses Orwellian language to advocate for unity, the rest of us should be very worried about democracy in South America. The bad old days are back with a vengeance.
That'll be a first, regional unity. When has that ever happened in South America?
What about respecting the right of a sovereign nation to impeach its own President using their own constitutional laws?
What about Venezula which isn't a democracy, where Chavez had made it illegal for ANYONE to speak out against his government.
This is the real face of South American unity, supports dictators, liars and thieves and punishes due legal process.
@3 - rylang23
Just when is South America going to start accepting responsibility for itself? Always with you the problems of South America are the fault of someone else. That's why one of the resource richest places on earth is so poor. Your politicians rob you all blind, but it isn't THEIR fault, it's (insert name of country or international body here) fault.
Maybe one day you'll all open your eyes and see the truth, but with your attitude I doubt it. After all it's easier to blame a third party than to actually do something about your problems, isn't it?
LEP
Stop lying about Venezuela, or put forward some proofs ofyour statements.
While you spend your time here telling people how their government is robbing them, your own bankers are filling their pockets with your pension money...
It isn't lies. The last free newspaper has been fined a huge sum of money by the Venezulan courts, which makes it impossible for them to continue in business.
Here are few other links, assuming your not going to bury you head in the sand when actual evidence is produced.
Blaming President Chavez or the Venezuelan government for the current bitter divisions in Venezuelan society, the bad economy, a sudden poverty growth and deaths in opposition demonstrations could result in an infraction of the law and therefore in strong penalizations (if the offense is interpreted” or considered disrespectful towards legitimate institutions and authorities).”
Now that is oppression. In a democracy it is not only the right, but the duty of the citizens of the country to challenge the government, but when the government makes it illegal to challenge them, then democracy ceases to exist.
I'm not surprised that you support Chavez, Guzz. You seem to be attracted to dictators, and appear quite content to allow human rights abuses, as long as its for 'the cause'.
Perhaps to find out, who is a true friend or just hangers on,
CFK should set up the
[Argentine commonwealth Of Nations ]
Or.
[ A CON] For Short .
JUST A THOUGHT.
The irony is that they dumped Paraguay specifically because of Paraguay's good relationship with the US, and of course it's opposition to Venezuela becoming a member. The technical violation of Paraguay's constitution was just an excuse and an opportunity to get Chavez in the back door. Of course everybody now knows this.
For the SA Mercosur big beasts, the WHOLE POINT was that PA should be suspended; irrespective of the President replacement.
This was the only way that they could get VE into the club.
Serious illegal action by Venezuela, Argentina and Brasil, following barely legal impeachment by PA's Senate.
@10
My god, I agree with you BK, Obama is sitting on too many fences and pleasing no-one in the process. It's called lazy politics. From outside looking in, I can't see any credible unity except with the hard line socialist/amateur dictators with too much to lose.
Your first link is about:
Various Venezuelan press associations issued statements criticizing the court decision that ordered the media to publish a technical report supplying evidence for previous stories published about water contamination in the central region of the country.
Which means the Venezuelan Government caught the newspapers lying, publishing false information in order to hurt the government itself. A law was made that every newpaper must be able toback their stories up. It's wrong for the right wing media to lie for the population...
The second link is a US news agency that put the story about Venezuela under Terrorism & Security section. A bit biased, one would say...
I too can find various biased left wing news agencies paiting your government as the emperors of the devil...
The third link is about Venezuela banning transmission of violent and sexual content before 20.00 hrs and the ban they TV and Radio station live under when not being permitted to attack Chavez person.
I agree with all of it except the last part, but you have to have in mind that a former TV-station called for a revolution against Chavez in state paid prime time...
Just look at that. 9+ hours and Guzz still hasn't been able to come up with a list of the opposition parties in the Venezuelan National Assembly and how many seats they have. There's a reason for that. The answer is: None and none. There are NO opposition parties in the Venezuelan National Assembly and, for obvious reasons, they have NO seats. Once the 2005 parliamentary elections were over, Chavez suggested that all pro-Chavez parties join together as one big pro-Chavez party. And thus the typical totalitarian one-party state. Headed by el Presidente. Der Fuhrer by any other name.
The name of the freedom and democracy game is now assassination. There is an appreciable percentage of the Venezuelan people who seem to understand what freedom and democracy mean. Therefore Chavez should be the first target. With him out of the way, CFK will probably run. But who would want to deny someone the pleasure of putting a bullet through her skull. Both the US and the UK have excellent snipers. Perhaps one more for Maximo. One of the best possible uses of foreign aid.
Conqueror
You already asked that question in another thread, and I've already answered, from memory (+-2) it was: 95 seats to PSUV, 65 to the opposition,and 2 for an independent party. Yes, PSUV has majority, all because the people chose so. Matter of fact, EU attended as observators :)
We are all very happy in latin America with Venezuela joining mercosur, we also hope things get better in Paraguay so that they could join mercosur again. British and americans sure talk a lot of trash.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesParaguay has the presidential seal of approval then, not sure how that translates into unity but its all good.
Jul 12th, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0CELAC members should just leave OAS instead, leaving USA and Paraguay to reaffirm eachother...
Jul 12th, 2012 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, Guzz. I see no use for OAS. When the perpetrator of the Coup (CIA/USDOD/US State Dept./Monsanto) uses Orwellian language to advocate for unity, the rest of us should be very worried about democracy in South America. The bad old days are back with a vengeance.
Jul 12th, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0That'll be a first, regional unity. When has that ever happened in South America?
Jul 12th, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0What about respecting the right of a sovereign nation to impeach its own President using their own constitutional laws?
What about Venezula which isn't a democracy, where Chavez had made it illegal for ANYONE to speak out against his government.
This is the real face of South American unity, supports dictators, liars and thieves and punishes due legal process.
@3 - rylang23
Just when is South America going to start accepting responsibility for itself? Always with you the problems of South America are the fault of someone else. That's why one of the resource richest places on earth is so poor. Your politicians rob you all blind, but it isn't THEIR fault, it's (insert name of country or international body here) fault.
Maybe one day you'll all open your eyes and see the truth, but with your attitude I doubt it. After all it's easier to blame a third party than to actually do something about your problems, isn't it?
LEP
Jul 12th, 2012 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stop lying about Venezuela, or put forward some proofs ofyour statements.
While you spend your time here telling people how their government is robbing them, your own bankers are filling their pockets with your pension money...
@5 Have you listed the Venezuelan opposition parties in the National Assembly and how many seats they hold yet?
Jul 12th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 - Guzz
Jul 12th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0It isn't lies. The last free newspaper has been fined a huge sum of money by the Venezulan courts, which makes it impossible for them to continue in business.
Here are few other links, assuming your not going to bury you head in the sand when actual evidence is produced.
http://knightcenter.utexas.edu/blog/00-9432-venezuelan-press-groups-criticize-government-censorship-reports-water-contamination
http://knightcenter.utexas.edu/blog/00-9432-venezuelan-press-groups-criticize-government-censorship-reports-water-contamination
http://knightcenter.utexas.edu/blog/00-9432-venezuelan-press-groups-criticize-government-censorship-reports-water-contamination
Blaming President Chavez or the Venezuelan government for the current bitter divisions in Venezuelan society, the bad economy, a sudden poverty growth and deaths in opposition demonstrations could result in an infraction of the law and therefore in strong penalizations (if the offense is interpreted” or considered disrespectful towards legitimate institutions and authorities).”
Now that is oppression. In a democracy it is not only the right, but the duty of the citizens of the country to challenge the government, but when the government makes it illegal to challenge them, then democracy ceases to exist.
I'm not surprised that you support Chavez, Guzz. You seem to be attracted to dictators, and appear quite content to allow human rights abuses, as long as its for 'the cause'.
Perhaps to find out, who is a true friend or just hangers on,
Jul 12th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK should set up the
[Argentine commonwealth Of Nations ]
Or.
[ A CON] For Short .
JUST A THOUGHT.
The irony is that they dumped Paraguay specifically because of Paraguay's good relationship with the US, and of course it's opposition to Venezuela becoming a member. The technical violation of Paraguay's constitution was just an excuse and an opportunity to get Chavez in the back door. Of course everybody now knows this.
Jul 12th, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Washington is now calling for South American unity is it, what a joke!
Jul 12th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8
Jul 12th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent!
Mind you the ConLibdems is alsmost as good. :o(
Mhh, waiting for Guzz ' reaction on LEPRecons accussations regarding Chavez non-democratic nature... probably already has the head in the sand.
Jul 12th, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0chavez is a clown looking for a laugh,
Jul 12th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK is a laugh, looking for a fool,
they both then are the same, are they not .
For the SA Mercosur big beasts, the WHOLE POINT was that PA should be suspended; irrespective of the President replacement.
Jul 12th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This was the only way that they could get VE into the club.
Serious illegal action by Venezuela, Argentina and Brasil, following barely legal impeachment by PA's Senate.
just goes to prove, coruption starts at the top,
Jul 12th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and not the bottom, maybe
@10
Jul 12th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My god, I agree with you BK, Obama is sitting on too many fences and pleasing no-one in the process. It's called lazy politics. From outside looking in, I can't see any credible unity except with the hard line socialist/amateur dictators with too much to lose.
LEP
Jul 12th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your first link is about:
Various Venezuelan press associations issued statements criticizing the court decision that ordered the media to publish a technical report supplying evidence for previous stories published about water contamination in the central region of the country.
Which means the Venezuelan Government caught the newspapers lying, publishing false information in order to hurt the government itself. A law was made that every newpaper must be able toback their stories up. It's wrong for the right wing media to lie for the population...
The second link is a US news agency that put the story about Venezuela under Terrorism & Security section. A bit biased, one would say...
I too can find various biased left wing news agencies paiting your government as the emperors of the devil...
The third link is about Venezuela banning transmission of violent and sexual content before 20.00 hrs and the ban they TV and Radio station live under when not being permitted to attack Chavez person.
I agree with all of it except the last part, but you have to have in mind that a former TV-station called for a revolution against Chavez in state paid prime time...
Just look at that. 9+ hours and Guzz still hasn't been able to come up with a list of the opposition parties in the Venezuelan National Assembly and how many seats they have. There's a reason for that. The answer is: None and none. There are NO opposition parties in the Venezuelan National Assembly and, for obvious reasons, they have NO seats. Once the 2005 parliamentary elections were over, Chavez suggested that all pro-Chavez parties join together as one big pro-Chavez party. And thus the typical totalitarian one-party state. Headed by el Presidente. Der Fuhrer by any other name.
Jul 12th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The name of the freedom and democracy game is now assassination. There is an appreciable percentage of the Venezuelan people who seem to understand what freedom and democracy mean. Therefore Chavez should be the first target. With him out of the way, CFK will probably run. But who would want to deny someone the pleasure of putting a bullet through her skull. Both the US and the UK have excellent snipers. Perhaps one more for Maximo. One of the best possible uses of foreign aid.
Conqueror
Jul 12th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You already asked that question in another thread, and I've already answered, from memory (+-2) it was: 95 seats to PSUV, 65 to the opposition,and 2 for an independent party. Yes, PSUV has majority, all because the people chose so. Matter of fact, EU attended as observators :)
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Jul 12th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 018 Conqueror
Jul 13th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Both the US and the UK have excellent snipers.
There is an excellent UK trained sniper grade shooter in Uruguay.
The trouble is, we are limited to 0.243 win., but it will do out to 600 metres.
:o)
We are all very happy in latin America with Venezuela joining mercosur, we also hope things get better in Paraguay so that they could join mercosur again. British and americans sure talk a lot of trash.
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