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Argentine organized labour splits and pledges to challenge Cristina Fernandez
Argentina’s CGT Central Labour Confederation leader Hugo Moyano, who on Thursday was re-elected for a third period during the umbrella organization’s congress warned that “we will have to rethink our vote in 2013 if the Government (of President Cristina Fernandez) does not give an answer to our claims.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMoyano !
Jul 13th, 2012 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0thats enough. time to retire !
#1 Indeed, isn't he about 70? He's certainly old enough to have been a Lopez Vega protege in the 70s, which kida undermines his “left” rhetoric now, as does his alliance with the conservative Scioli. If I was an Argentine worker I would be aligned with the left Cristinista CGT and not Moyano's fake union, and I predict it will come out best in the end
Jul 13th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Moyano has the ability to shut the country down on a whim anytime he wants. He is more powerful then the Gov't and CFK CAN NOT rule for long without his backing.
Jul 13th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0This will end bloody but who's to say who will come out on top. I am not willing to wager yet. Let it stew a couple more weeks. The financial crumbling of the Prov and Fed gov't can't last for much longer. It is all flying apart very quickly....if something spooks the general population CFK is finished.
@3 Nestor, at least, knew the importance of keeping the unions onside. Without the unions CFKC can no longer claim to be working 'for the people'. The woman has no idea. She thinks with her new best mates, the military, she can do anything the pleases.
Jul 13th, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1 and 2
Jul 13th, 2012 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why retire? He was relected with a 54% majority. When CFK did the same in the election it was hailed as a whirlwind victory. Moyano is fast becoming one of the most political powerfull figures in Argentina. Instead of his support fading it is growing the union incoporated an additional 45 unions and 241 congress members. NO government in Argentina can rule without a mandate from the unions and especially the CGT. I beleive we will see his power base increasing in the run up to the mid term elections in 2013 and the presedential elections and I think he is likely to stand as a candiate.
He ever seems to udnerstand that inflation is a problem so he has better economy credetials than the entire CFK administration.
@2 You still insist on saying CFK is left wing. Prey tell me how the Peronist party started and to which side of centre it was at conception and still is today. HINT: It is no conisidence that many Nazi, Franco and Mousalline (bad spelling i know) supporters fled to Argentina in the mid and late 1940s.
@2 Did you mean “Lopez Rega”? Really need to read the script properly. Of course you're not an argie “worker”. Do you know what “work” is? Narrowing it down, you're either a “student” or a CFK fink.
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Jul 13th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Engineer
Moyano's mission is finished..has some raps(misdeed)in the past.
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You were right on milk/lt price
~~1,5Ps/Lt is raw prices which i had said..to test your reflexes.
If you can be honest cheese/youghurt producer in this country
You can be a richman quickly.
5 EnginnerAbroad (#)
Jul 13th, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think Moyano will stand for an electoral post, he will put his sons and entourage up. He's far too canny for that, his power comes from the workers and demands that he stay close to his power base.
That said, I would agree that he has a far better feeling for the economy than the Kirchnerists, but then a 5 year old probably has a better take on the economy than Kretin, Axel,De Vido or Moreno!!!!!
@7 I think that Moyanos power is growing and we could see him as a presidential candiate at the next election.
Jul 13th, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When he controls the gas supply network (as we saw a few weeks ago) and now with problems with electric his control of a major engery resource can not be underestimated.
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Jul 13th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Moyano is never a Lula da Silva.
dont forget his passification option in the swift Argentina ruling machine.
when /if decided,..it could very easy.
#10 He's certainly no Lula; he called for an “Argentine Lula” worker President (ie himself) forgetting that the real Lula said he wished he was Argentine so he could vote for Cristina!
Jul 13th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if he didnt run for power himself his gudiance to the CGT members on how to vote for could chnage the political landscape significantly at the next election. The peronist governments have always done a lot (some of it stupid, like agreeing to dismantle the countries rain system to gurantee jobs for truck drivers) in order to win the support of the workers unions.
Jul 13th, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is a Peronist government it can not gain the support of the workers? The middle and upper class or Argentina will never vote personist and if she looses the workers unions we will be looking at a very different result. Given that CFK cannot stand for the next election I think Moyanos power base will give him a big say within the Peronist party as to who stands. Kirchniite loyalist may not like him but senior Peronists will not lose an election over a labour dispute and will appease him to guarantee the vote.
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Jul 13th, 2012 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or Ruling Machine might bring a new name worker boss.
@13 How? They cannot sack him themseves as this would be gross government inbterference in the rights of the unions. This action would cause a riot.
Jul 13th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have been trying to bring in a repalcement union and leader throught this whole affair and trying to declare the CGT ilagitamte but as we have seen from events of yesterday this does no seem to be working when he gains a 54% reelection rate plus the additional 45 unions and 241 congress members. His support is growing despite government interferences. There is only so far the administration can go before it reduces itself to the same level of a milatry Junta or totalaterian state i.e. banning non government sanctioned unions. The 3,000,000 of so members of the CGT (7.5% of the Argentine population) have a right to be reprenseted by this man they have elcted as their leader no matter how much he disagrees with the government in power. The current UK government is not supported by the unions but you dont see them attempting to influence the free vote of the unions in electing their leaders, why because it is morally and democratical repugnent.
#14 ”The 3,000,000 of so members of the CGT (7.5% of the Argentine population) have a right to be reprenseted by this man they have elcted as their leader”
Jul 13th, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the 3million didn't, unlike Cristina's victory Moyano's 54% (pretty low when there wasn't another candidate, right!) was of delegates at a rally of questionable (at least!) legitimacy
14 EnginnerAbroad (#)
Jul 13th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that this is a classic case of “divide and rule” on the part of CFK. She has managed to split the CGT into 3 factions, her problem now is that she has to keep the 3 factions apart, because if Luis Barrionuevo and his “gastronómicos” join up with Moyano Kretina is finished!!!!
CFK only won 50.2% of the popular vote so 49.8% of the public do not support her. It dosent matter if there wasnt another candidate it only goes to show that no one felt he was doing such a bad job that they would stand against him. Just like CFK says she represents 100% of Argentines (even thought she only won 50.2% of the vote) Moyano represents 100% of the CGT members (despite only winning 54% of the vote). This is 7.5% of the population so if the CGT removed its support from the government it would only have the support of 42.7% of the population and therefore no longer have a majority making it much harder to force legislation througth. This also does not take into acocunt non CGT members who would be influenced by their decisns. Like Simon says in 16 if the three diversion of the CGT united and the GCT continued to attract more members (49 new unions yesterday) then CFKs support falls even further and leaves a potnetial lame duck government. Remember being the ruling party is only any good if you hold the majority in both houses.
Jul 13th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let us get something right: TMBOA got 54% of the vote, NOT 54 % of the people eligible to vote and did not for whatever reason.
Jul 13th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Her ACTUAL vote was just over 1/3, so 2/3 did not vote DIRECTLY for her. Don't put crap on here about other parties would vote for her in the chambers. They DID NOT VOTE FOR HER in the election.
So Moyano, who did get 54 % actually polled more votes than TMBOA.
The peronist government DOES NOT want Argentines to be richer and more independent because of the threat it represents to its existence. It strives for the opposite.
Jul 13th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The trick is to create an illusion of sustainable growth and freedom. And when it inevitably goes to shit because the economy is deliberately mismanaged (-we cant have industry or the economy getting too big and independent now can we?-) lay the blame on numerous scapegoats and play the nationalist card -we are strong, proud Argentinians and we are suffering but will fight to get Argentina on its feet again (says multi millionaire 'politician' )
Keep them dependent and restricted in the box marked -Argentina-
CFK
Jul 13th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In your head, you may be the greatest thing since BK put ya name up in lights,
But in reality,
The sooner you go, the better for democracy,
And the real argentine people .
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Get a real job moyano with the truck strike and port strike you costed the farmer millions and totally destroyed the meat industry but now every Argentine knows you work for the brits. You should be tried judged and executed for working with pirates.
Jul 14th, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 And who originally created the Argentine meat industry? People from a country starting with Great and ending with Britain.
Jul 16th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like the railways.
Since the Argentines have disowned the British they have fallen from the 5th richest country in the world to a shambles.
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