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Chavez becomes an issue of the US presidential campaign

Saturday, July 14th 2012 - 00:46 UTC
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President Hugo Chavez denied on Friday that Venezuela was a threat to anyone, after US presidential hopeful Mitt Romney criticized Barack Obama for playing down the risk posed by the socialist leader. Read full article

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  • British_Kirchnerist

    Its sad and scary how much trouble Obama gets into whenever he (probably by accident) tells the truth. If he had been a more assertive President and improved relations with Chavez from the start the irony is he'd probably be stronger by now, but he's been on the backffot ever since, as Chavez said, he dissapointed the world by continuing to follow Bush policies. Also would like to point out that Cuba is not “family run”!

    Jul 14th, 2012 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    And yet Chavez has, personally, threatened both the Falkland Islands and Britain. How does that work? “Of course I made threats but I didn't mean them.” That would be a disappointment for CFK. “Yes, I made threats but it's inconvenient to remember them right now.” Wouldn't that be the equivalent of 'all mouth and no trousers'? Fact is that Chavez is a posturing clown.

    Jul 14th, 2012 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Romney knows who his allies are and has no qualms whatsoever in voicing his support for those allies. Fernandez and Chaves have been allowed to carry on like they own South America whilst Obama has been in power. The Republicans know that Obama has done considerable damage to relations with the UK. I have no doubts at all that Romney will be putting that situation right as a priority if he gets in power. I don't think he will, I think Obama will probably hold on to power unfortunately.

    Jul 14th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    The question is: What is the correct approach for WE Brits. Did we not support Obamalamadingdong? But then Cameron supported Sarkozy against Hollande. Although WE Brits were quite happy to see the back of the poison dwarf. I think WE Brits should support Romney. Although I'm a bit concerned about “President Mitt”. He's a Mormon. Is that good or bad?

    Jul 14th, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    It would be interesting, to see if the British government sits on the fence and says it’s a bilateral problem..

    Jul 14th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    There has been much Republican disquiet over the USA's 'neutrality' over the Falklands bearing in mind the Argentines are simply unreliable allies for , well anything, (quite apart from never honouring debts and siding with 'the Chav').

    If the USA expect the UK to support them in various troublespots around the world, it should be made crystal clear that if the USA give the impression of supporting Argentina that results in Argentine aggression, any multi-national force involving the UK will immediately lose the troops, ships and aircraft required for the South Atlantic.

    In that circumstance, the UK can tell the yanks to get Argentina to send military forces to replace the lost UK forces (needed to defend the Falklands/destroy the Argentine threat) if the USA decide to back Argentina.

    What could be fairer than that?

    Jul 14th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rnbgr

    Even Bush eventually understood that there is nothing to gain Discussing Venezuela as some sort of security risk. Romney is playing for votes in south Florida

    Jul 14th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Yuleno

    #4 why do you ask questions.Is this a quiz show.Romney is the danger not O'Bhama Hollander or Cameron.But what's wrong with Mormonism perhaps you might explain your fear.On the otherhand perhaps not,I doubt there will be any intelligent information in your explanation

    Jul 15th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    sadly
    we have mr camaron.

    and that alone tell the world, its own story .

    Jul 15th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #9 I know. If only we had a leader we could be proud of, like the dazzling star who represents Argentina

    Jul 16th, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alexei

    Obama is an inept deceitful vacillating prat. He's essentially anti-American and the most anti-British president since Roosevelt. He has a bag of chips on his shoulder and sympathises with his country's enemies. The sooner the US electorate kick him out the better. Another US President would have kicked Chavez's ass out of Venezuela before breakfast.

    http://www.voicescarryblog.com/chavez-gives-anti-family-planning-book-to-obama

    Jul 16th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #1 BK
    Want to know a secret about the U.S.A.? It does not have to satisfy the world, just Americans, so Fuck off to the rest of YOUR world and disappointment. And for everyone else.....the Republicans choose poorly and Romney has a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected. So it becomes another election of the lesser of two evils for Americans. We tend to say that the devil you know is better then the one you don't. The American public does not give a rats ass about the rest of the world anymore and is concerned with their own jobs and welfare. At some point the assholes that run my country will realize that.
    We are polarized as long as Republicans put up religious freaks and Democrats put up bleeding heart liberals.
    And it's a far out thought to think that the USA will support Argentina ever. Nothing is ever what it seems.....except in S.A.

    Jul 16th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #12 If you don't give a rats ass about the rest of the world, fine, just stop sticking your noses into all our countries affairs. But as long as you keep killing people in country after country don't expect them not to care about you!

    Jul 17th, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #13
    If you think I control my contries foreign policy, you're a bigger idiot than you frequently display. That being said.......Give back the Twin Towers, the 2,752 targeted innocent people from 28 countries of which 21% were born in another country, maybe than we will.
    Do you really think your meaningless dribble is worth anything? Go to South America sometime, in particular Argentina, motherland of your sacred Christine......talk to the Portenas and Portenos and see what they think of her...........nothing.
    And back on point, you stated that we disappointed the world........again, we do not operate to satisfy the world.......only Americans and every attempt to our allies.

    Jul 17th, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    When you have control over something and act only to satisfy yourself that is tyranny, America is the world's dictator! At least according to what you say...

    What is a porteno/portena btw, do you mean rich people?

    Jul 17th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    No one has to deal with America, only if you want to......it's our rules. And really now BK......what kind of a South American socialist are you? a portena/porteno is someone from Buenos Aires. Have you never been to your motherland? Have you EVER been beyond the borders of wherever you reside? It's an interesting world out there when you see it firsthand and not from newpapers and television. When you speak with many of those that experience your so called queen. When you speak to them fce to face in there country......you know they are from SA and not bullshitters.

    Jul 17th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • shb

    @captain poppy.

    You'll get no sense out of BK - he is either pathologically obsessed (and I mean with cut out pictures and headlines all over the walls.....) with CFK, or just out to wind people up.

    BK claims to be a scot, but if he is, he is a very isolated and atypical example of our friends from way up north!

    Well said about 9/11, BTW. I am a Brit, from the west midlands, but a Woman from New York worked with me in 2001 -2004.

    The day after 9/11 I told her that what I had seen as the 2 towers collapsed was the most disgusting act of mass murder imaginable, and that I hoped the perpertrators would be either killed or captured.

    A lot of my countrymen who go on about Afghanistan have very selective memories and think that those who follow Jihad will leave us alone - they won't. I support the servicemen of both our countries in their endeavours to keep us safe.

    A lot of folks like to blame your country for all the worlds ills, it's a convenient way of forgetting their own shortcomings. I personally have liked all the yanks I met, and think that like us the average US citizen is just trying yo get on with his/her life and is'nt bent on some crazed crusade to conquer the world....

    I have to admit though, if I was American, I would not know who to vote for. The last election I thought Obama would make a better president than than Republican gang, but I have to say I don't think Obama and co have'nt much of a clue about dealing with important allies, or hostile nations.

    Have you decided who to vote for? or is the jury “still out”?

    Out of curiosty , if you could have a dream candidate - who would it be? there must be somebody you could think of who would make a good POTUS.

    Jul 17th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #shb
    It's really tough. I will admit I voted Obama to break that black barrier, but not sure. Realitically he was not given a chance......the Hpuse (Rep controlled ) shot down everything he tried. If Romney get in, the Dems control the senate and it's the same thing. Problem in politics here, no one cares about the country and it's all about party. Obama's problem is the watch he was handed, we made many enemies during the Bush years, even ones that where our friends. I always thought whomewre became President this past term was a one termer. But Romney will not get it. He was my Governor in Massachusetts and he was liberal then. We all realized he was a one stop man with the Whitehouse as a goal.
    I was born in NYC and watched those towers rise month after month as a kid, never thougtht I would see them fall. People do not seem to understand that those extreme Islamists will not stop until all the world are muslims. Or when they call us killers they do not get that we do not intentionally target civilians to kill as tragic as it is. And NATO country soldiers do not hide in Mosques knowing we will not attack it.......cowards if you ask me.
    I always like Gen. Colin Powell or Scwhartzkorpf, but they were real leaders and in politics, no one can be lead anywhere.

    Jul 17th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • shb

    @captain poppy.

    I think you hit the nail on the head about our enemies - we will be fighting them for many years. I share your disgust at their methods, too.

    I have to admit I liked Colin Powell. He sort of reminded me of James Earl Jones. I would use the words “presidential and composed” to describe the way he always looked when interviewed.

    Your complaints about “party over country” are echoed over on this side of the pond. A lot of us are sick to death with mediocre professional politicos, born to priviliege, with no clue about the real world. There have even been some news items about the country becoming destabilised as a result of disenfranchisment.

    Sounds like both our democracies need a bit of an overhaul -I think that noone should run for our parliament unless they have worked in a different capacity for at least 10 years - want to be secretary of state for education? - have you worked in a school?.....want to be defence minister? - what branch of the armed forces have you worked in?...

    Lets face it, in any other post they would want to know what kind of experience you had.

    Hands across the sea, mate.

    Jul 17th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I agree....too much on the job training. The whole world is in some sort of transition. I mean China, a socialist country has billionaires. Not that I care what country has them, but they profess a socialist society with a lot of capitalism. And they make pure shit! Wait until SA gets a full taste of the Chinese love affair, their asses will be awefully sore. I think it all really stems from greed. Look how big corporations are these days. How big is big enough?

    Jul 18th, 2012 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Oh right I remember now I saw that before about portenas, just surprised you say they all hate Cristina ehich is why I thought I might have got it wrong and thought you might mean the rich. Well BA have a terrible Berluconiesque Mayor so maybe the capital is right wing!

    Anyway on the US, you don't have to be unsympathetic to the victims of the barbarian bin Laden to oppose western intervention in Afghnaistan, just to remember that he was originally part of a previous western intervention there, against the Russians, giving them their own Vietnam, thats how al Qaeda and the Taliban were created. And just like the Russians and Victoria Britain we just can't beat the Afghans so the only real question is how many more on both sides have to die before we admit we've lost and negotiate a way out (which would of course include al-Qaeda not coming back; the Taliban apparently don't get on with them as well as most people think according to the latest information, and their tiny now in any case).

    I do agree about the logjam of party politics though. Thats why I like the left leaders of Latin America, because they do seem to rise above it by taking up the cause of the people

    Jul 18th, 2012 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    What is the longest stay you've had in S.A.?

    Jul 18th, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • shb

    @BK

    We defeated the Afghans in the 1870s (2nd afghan war) and the best the afghans can claim for 1919 (3rd afghan war) is a stalemate.

    The ISB (Pakistans intelligence agency) played a far greater role in the taliban than we did - thats why they have their own problems with it now.

    The only way to fight the likes of Bin Laden is to find them and kill them.

    Jul 19th, 2012 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #23 The Pakistanis were the middle man. The Saudis were also involved (along with individual Saudis like bin Laden) and the Egyptians also sent some of their militants to fight, including bin Laden's deputy and successor. All right wing pro-yank states. The best way to stop the likes of bin Laden is to stop funding them, yet we haven't even done that as shown in Libya and Syria!

    Jul 19th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Lets hear your plan to de-fund them as your eloquently claim we fund them, being the political insider you are?

    Jul 19th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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