Argentina's industrial production in May slumped 5.1% from a year earlier due to a sharp slowdown in the automotive, non-metal minerals and base metals sectors, manufacturer chamber UIA said in its monthly report Tuesday. Read full article
Fear not the CFK economic genius will soon come up with an anti competitive short term solution that enables the numbers to look better for 6 months or so.
Maybe a law that insists all negative economic data must pass through a committee to verify it's veracity. Then just delay appointing members, agreeing a schedules etc.
#1 Or maybe she will continue to be the best leader to see Argentina through difficult global economic times with pro-people policies, ratter than exacerbating the problem with cuts
Maybe Ms. Botox will decree a law that states any decrease in production must have government approval before dropping production or risk expropriation
Socialist Economics 101 at the school of assbackwards.
Low growth, high inflation, low cpaital reserve, here comes the economic collapse and stagflation.
@2 Your making this to east for me today. She is not pro people she is pro power and her own wealth. She has seen over Argentines economic decline not its recovery. Argentine had been enjoying huge growth now it is shrinking and fast and she does not have a clue what to do. So she will smile and wave nicely whislt secretly crying herslef to sleep as she will be remembered as the second Isabella Peron, the vain, demigogorey of a president who destroyed her countries potetnial and the fortunues of its citizens.
Indec is probably using the Chinese method of accounting. When it is really negative they report no growth. If it is negative they will be fired or reprimanded so lo and behold the economy is always stead or growing.
I will say if RGs are reporting a slowing it means it is really negative and really bad, really really bad, because it means they can't manipulate the figures any more.
The ever decreasing peso will spike inflation when does hyper inflation kick in 50% or more?
Brr I heard CFK is in La Paz begging for cheaper nat gas and Evo said sorry pay what we agreed or freeze.
Industrial Productions of almost all countries are all decline in the first half of this year.Argentina is not detached from them.
Argentina agri sector outputs are well by convenient air conditions and its service sector very lively ,so they can easily tolerate the industrial fluctuation.
Max, Wasn't the SOYA crop ( your largest $ crop by far) down 20% yoy and one of the reasons the Fed gov't is out of $ already this year. Or am I mistaken?
Hahahaha retard
That's a bad fail in logic. Argentine indices have a reputation for massaging the figures to make CFKs regime look good. Therefore we can conclude that if they are reporting a drop in industrial production it is likely that the reality is a catastophic decline in industrial production.
@10 agreed we should look at it in the bigger picture i.e. that growth is slowing world wide.
The difference is most countries do not have double digit inflation and can borrow money on the open interntional lending markets. This is the case with Argentina and without a growth in GDP and a large trade surplus the Inflation can not be kept in line and will spiral out of control leading to a multitude of problems.
There are no any high inflation conditions in the world economy.
Argentina's real CPI rate is neither INDEC's nor some other groups' numbers
Foreign borrowing is a different comprehensive matter.
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@15 even if we take the INDEC rate which you state represents a lower threashold the inflation rate is over 10%. This is the 26th worst inflation rate in the world and certainly the highest of a developed nation. If we use the 22% (independetly forcasted middle rate) it is the worlds third worst inflation rate and if we use the 30% (higher predicted rate) it is the worlds worst inflation rate.
#9
According to agri news, what is putting out this year is last years production, which was 49million metric tons. The previous year was 54.5 and two months ago the projection for next year was 44 and now been adjusted to 43 and possibly lower. I see a trend here. If RG land needs to rely on beans for pesos, there are ups a shit creek without paddles.
They will not be able to print pesos fast enought next year.
Anyone know the price of Arg Peso in Uruguay or Chile? Is it 8 yet? Seems like they've been a little ahead of the curve. I think they were at 7 last week.
I know some of you predicted what i am calling the panic rate at 8 or 9 but I am really thinking 7. This daily decrease is DISASTROUS for the avg Rg.
We may be experiencing a drought, but not enough to collapse the American economy. And....we have technolgy called irrigation and the money to actually use it.
But back on point..........do you think all we eat is soybeans and importing it to the USA will fix Argentina's woes? Besides........KFC said a short while back when we removed trade preferences, so what.....all we import is lemons...........which is it.....lemons or soy beans?
Looks like she will have to sell somemore nuclear technology to Iran through her pal Chavez. I wonder how much she has been paid so far? Thats not going to read well in her biography!
I would like that INDEC reports more bad news like this because our and some friends business are doing quite good.
So none cares about what media and idiots say what really counts is reality.
@EnginnerAbroad
Yea! EA if your forecast and the inflation index in the DN as you say are so precise like the level of unemployment reported by UK we are all cooked like a dead duck.
Explain me something how in US and Europe having more inflation over prices than Argentina in food and others they report so low inflation?
In US some commodities increase prices rose 90% and 120% last year, food rose an average of 60%, basic plastics used every day in manufactures 50%, Oil, etc, etc. Who absorbs the price rising for the statistics? Obama?
In UK food’s prices have triplicate them selves and is the country with more increase in price over food among EU countries and to 2030 will be even worse.
Food according with FAO and the food index averaged have rose 37% average world wide.
So having this as road map for a poor person in UK or Spain, Ireland, etc. that will represent real inflation because hardy can afford to eat. Like this is happening in Britain, Spain, US, etc. right now.
So what this shows? That in developed economies the average inflation is not 2,3, 4, etc is 12% to 18% well hidden in the statistics like the Unemployment in UK and US.
So what the Consumer Price Index in US made by the BLS reports just a 0.1 percent increase.
Is not amazing how someone cooks the statistics for political reason?
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Disclaimer & comment rulesFear not the CFK economic genius will soon come up with an anti competitive short term solution that enables the numbers to look better for 6 months or so.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe a law that insists all negative economic data must pass through a committee to verify it's veracity. Then just delay appointing members, agreeing a schedules etc.
#1 Or maybe she will continue to be the best leader to see Argentina through difficult global economic times with pro-people policies, ratter than exacerbating the problem with cuts
Jul 18th, 2012 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like you're going to be very dissapointed BK and very very soon.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe Ms. Botox will decree a law that states any decrease in production must have government approval before dropping production or risk expropriation
Jul 18th, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Socialist Economics 101 at the school of assbackwards.
“May's manufacturing was down 4.5% on the year and 2.4% on the month, according to the national statistics agency, Indec.”
Jul 18th, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So must be a lie and the manufacturing sector is going up for sure.
After all everybody say that INDEC lies.
Ha ha seems INDEC is always right for someone when only reports bad news.
Amazing! Truly independent journalism ha ha
By the way is Mike Summers the new editor or Davidito CaMoron?
Low growth, high inflation, low cpaital reserve, here comes the economic collapse and stagflation.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Your making this to east for me today. She is not pro people she is pro power and her own wealth. She has seen over Argentines economic decline not its recovery. Argentine had been enjoying huge growth now it is shrinking and fast and she does not have a clue what to do. So she will smile and wave nicely whislt secretly crying herslef to sleep as she will be remembered as the second Isabella Peron, the vain, demigogorey of a president who destroyed her countries potetnial and the fortunues of its citizens.
Indec is probably using the Chinese method of accounting. When it is really negative they report no growth. If it is negative they will be fired or reprimanded so lo and behold the economy is always stead or growing.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will say if RGs are reporting a slowing it means it is really negative and really bad, really really bad, because it means they can't manipulate the figures any more.
The ever decreasing peso will spike inflation when does hyper inflation kick in 50% or more?
Brr I heard CFK is in La Paz begging for cheaper nat gas and Evo said sorry pay what we agreed or freeze.
You should watch to problem from big picture.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Industrial Productions of almost all countries are all decline in the first half of this year.Argentina is not detached from them.
Argentina agri sector outputs are well by convenient air conditions and its service sector very lively ,so they can easily tolerate the industrial fluctuation.
Max, Wasn't the SOYA crop ( your largest $ crop by far) down 20% yoy and one of the reasons the Fed gov't is out of $ already this year. Or am I mistaken?
Jul 18th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahaha retard
1,58 d/bu
Jul 18th, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0higher than last years.
5 DanyBerger
Jul 18th, 2012 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's a bad fail in logic. Argentine indices have a reputation for massaging the figures to make CFKs regime look good. Therefore we can conclude that if they are reporting a drop in industrial production it is likely that the reality is a catastophic decline in industrial production.
@10 agreed we should look at it in the bigger picture i.e. that growth is slowing world wide.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The difference is most countries do not have double digit inflation and can borrow money on the open interntional lending markets. This is the case with Argentina and without a growth in GDP and a large trade surplus the Inflation can not be kept in line and will spiral out of control leading to a multitude of problems.
@10 http://en.mercopress.com/2012/07/13/argentine-2011-12-soy-harvest-20-lower-than-previous-year-because-of-dry-spell All I can see is down by 20%, down by 20%, down by 20%!
Jul 18th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry Dany, Max and BK, it is not Kretina's fault, it is Brasil's fault.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't be surprised if the president of the UIA isn't being investigated by the AFIP!!!!!
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Jul 18th, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are no any high inflation conditions in the world economy.
Argentina's real CPI rate is neither INDEC's nor some other groups' numbers
Foreign borrowing is a different comprehensive matter.
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Just speculation
maybe
a tactic to prices up.
@15 even if we take the INDEC rate which you state represents a lower threashold the inflation rate is over 10%. This is the 26th worst inflation rate in the world and certainly the highest of a developed nation. If we use the 22% (independetly forcasted middle rate) it is the worlds third worst inflation rate and if we use the 30% (higher predicted rate) it is the worlds worst inflation rate.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.aneki.com/countries2.php?t=Countries_with_the_Highest_Inflation_Rates&table=fb142&places=2=*&order=desc&orderby=fb142.value&decimals=--2&dependency=independent&number=all&cntdn=asc&r=-34-36&c=&measures=Country--inflation rate (%)&units=--&file=inflation
If growth in GDP shrinks it will lead to recesion and with high inflation it is very hard to combat stagflation and economic collapse.
#9
Jul 18th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to agri news, what is putting out this year is last years production, which was 49million metric tons. The previous year was 54.5 and two months ago the projection for next year was 44 and now been adjusted to 43 and possibly lower. I see a trend here. If RG land needs to rely on beans for pesos, there are ups a shit creek without paddles.
They will not be able to print pesos fast enought next year.
Perhaps we need to treble the rate of loss of production as we do with inflation figures from INDEC.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing that a good 50 year event drought in North America can't fix.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone know the price of Arg Peso in Uruguay or Chile? Is it 8 yet? Seems like they've been a little ahead of the curve. I think they were at 7 last week.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know some of you predicted what i am calling the panic rate at 8 or 9 but I am really thinking 7. This daily decrease is DISASTROUS for the avg Rg.
We may be experiencing a drought, but not enough to collapse the American economy. And....we have technolgy called irrigation and the money to actually use it.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But back on point..........do you think all we eat is soybeans and importing it to the USA will fix Argentina's woes? Besides........KFC said a short while back when we removed trade preferences, so what.....all we import is lemons...........which is it.....lemons or soy beans?
20 Yankeeboy
Jul 18th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Got to hand it to you; you look like being correct again. Are you sure you're not an Economist reporter?
Big announcement signed by CFK and Evo, advanced degrees of education will be recognized equally by each country.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what they are saying is an advanced degree from Argentina is equivalent to one from Bolivia...
We don't do that in the USA that is why you see Rg Engineers cleaning pools.
Bahahahaha
I dont guess he is a The Economist reporter.
Jul 18th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably he is a fallen US plane's - blackbox-
pardon !...could be -xbarilox -.!
Looks like she will have to sell somemore nuclear technology to Iran through her pal Chavez. I wonder how much she has been paid so far? Thats not going to read well in her biography!
Jul 18th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Idlehands
Jul 19th, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really? Wow!
I would like that INDEC reports more bad news like this because our and some friends business are doing quite good.
So none cares about what media and idiots say what really counts is reality.
@EnginnerAbroad
Yea! EA if your forecast and the inflation index in the DN as you say are so precise like the level of unemployment reported by UK we are all cooked like a dead duck.
Explain me something how in US and Europe having more inflation over prices than Argentina in food and others they report so low inflation?
In US some commodities increase prices rose 90% and 120% last year, food rose an average of 60%, basic plastics used every day in manufactures 50%, Oil, etc, etc. Who absorbs the price rising for the statistics? Obama?
In UK food’s prices have triplicate them selves and is the country with more increase in price over food among EU countries and to 2030 will be even worse.
Food according with FAO and the food index averaged have rose 37% average world wide.
So having this as road map for a poor person in UK or Spain, Ireland, etc. that will represent real inflation because hardy can afford to eat. Like this is happening in Britain, Spain, US, etc. right now.
So what this shows? That in developed economies the average inflation is not 2,3, 4, etc is 12% to 18% well hidden in the statistics like the Unemployment in UK and US.
So what the Consumer Price Index in US made by the BLS reports just a 0.1 percent increase.
Is not amazing how someone cooks the statistics for political reason?
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