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Argentine farmers’ leader calls for “the end to corruption and intolerance”
Argentine Rural Society (SRA) head Hugo Biolcati said that Argentine institutions are “deteriorating“ and that ”the Constitution” is no longer in use, as he inaugurated this weekend the 126th annual edition of the camp exhibition at the Palermo Rural pavilion in the City of Buenos Aires. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment ruleslol @ ArgTards, utter failure
Jul 30th, 2012 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent though, people who care about what CFK is doing to their country organising themselves to do something about it rather than just toeing the line that everything is fine and CFK's policies are the best thing ever. Hopefully more will follow and Argentina can get rid of CFK before she manages to screw up the country for an entire generation.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0^
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Yeah, because everyone knows that when big farmers get together, it is to voice concerns about human rights and democracy. It certainly has never occurred to them that they should instead promote they narrow self-interests - not that of their country and its workers - and cloak it in political jargon.
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Jul 30th, 2012 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“and enumerated some of Argentine farmers complaints: 12 million head of cattle less; wheat and corn planting discouragement; thousands of dairy farms eliminated, over a hundred abattoirs closed and thousands of workers from the meat industry collecting unemployment pay and living off subsidies.”
Yeah that's political jargon alright. Get your head out of the sand city boy.
“to recover institutional quality, end with intolerance, eradicate corruption and guarantee security to all citizens”.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, seems I'm right.
“An end of intolerance and corruption and perverse role of the State”
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Words that need to be said ... not only by the farmers, but by all sections of society similarly blighted by intolerance, corruption and perverse role of the State.
I know an abattor owner. The person has to pay the bribe and then wait for the phone call from the government official telling them to whom they can sell their meat and at what price. Corruption, much.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFk's inner circle is getting fabulously wealthy as the rest of the country is getting poorer. Some ministers have increased their wealth by MILLIONS in a year, is that from their salary? I think not.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember that is their REPORTED wealth, this is what they can't or won't hide.
I think the only way to fix this is permanently and they need to find their Pinochet. Maybe the mass civil unrest that is coming will do it. I don't have much hope though. I think they are too lazy and stupid to clean house.
Anyone want to bet which will happen frist 10/1 peso or Patacones?
Are there any honest, non-corrupt, brave argies? Ones who want to see their country progress? Ones who don't spend their time with envious eyes on other people's property and territory? They are the ones that need to stand up now. Question is, are there enough? Forge-tit won't be one of them. He's still figuring out his “angle”. Actually, argieland doesn't stand a chance. Its people have lost track of what “honesty” actually is. The only answer will be to sweep everything away, define what is “honest” behaviour and then start again with that as the benchmark.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Considering they are allowing prisoners day passes to attend CFKs political rallies they are not too far from civil unrest. It is just a matter of time before off of these horrible policies come to fruition.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It may be she actually wants general civil unrest so that she can declare martial law.
All is possible now as they try to save their own necks.
His speech was so right. Unfortunately, recovery of Argentina will probably not happen this generation; it has been nearly destroyed in the past 10 years.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 09 Conqueror (#)
Jul 30th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The answer to your first question is: yes there are.
The answer to your second is: No there aren't.
With over 30% of the population forced to live in abject poverty, dependent on government hand-outs, the vote base for the peronist plague is too big to beat.
Yeah and ANSEs is short almost 20 billion pesos. Incredible how the Argentines tolerate this.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was thinking that when it gets to hot CFK et al would flee or slink off into the dark. I hadnt thought of the martial law angle. Its depressing. It would be nice to think that Argentines neighbours wouldn't tolerate a full blown dictatorship again but realistically they probably wouldnt do anything.
The system is so vile. Their arrogance and inhumanity is unbelievable. NOW is the time for people to get off their asses and do something. Not just bang pots in a plaza and shout their disapproval at the -government- but actually DO something...
@12 NOTHING is ever too big to beat. Back in the late 30s and early 40s, the United States was convinced that Britain would be beaten. Go back and figure how many countries Britain was facing. Yes, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and others came along. But not right at the beginning. And, initially, the Anzacs were in Asia. Nevertheless, Britain had started to win before the United States came along. It didn't join in until after December 1941. So don't tell me that the peronists are too big to beat. You need to get out there are do what has to be done. Thinking about the martial law angle, how about figuring how many of the troops have brothers, sisters, parents, children who will be amongst those that suffer? You can't win unless you fight. You can't win unless you try. Do you have the guts to try?
Jul 30th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14
Jul 30th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes this is very true, but GB had Churchill.
Sometimes, one person can make all the difference.
15 Condorito (#)
Jul 30th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And we can choose between: Hermes Binner, Ricardo Alfonsin, Mauricio Macri, Elisa Carrio or Julio Cobos.
I feel there is a slight disadvantage with respect to our politicians compared to WSC!!!!
@15
Jul 30th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was a cultural thing too. A sense of responsibility - facing upto and dealing with problem is strong in British culture.
@16 Are YOU not up to it? Remember that Churchill was, in effect, in political disgrace. He had to stand up and tell the country that he could lead it to victory or die trying. He believed that Britain, the British people, were more than equal to the challenge. If you're all lily-livered cowards, you deserve everything that happens to you. Freedom is never achieved painlessly. It takes guts. Many times it takes blood. Britain has given lots of blood. For itself and for others. Did we “need” to go to Portugal and fight the French? Did we “need” to force our way into Spain and fight the French? Did we “need” to fight our way into France and defeat Napoleon? Not once, but twice? Did we “need” to go back into Europe and defeat the Kaiser? Did we “need” to go back into Europe and the rest of the world and defeat Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo? Without Britain, Russia would have been fighting Germany AND Japan. And probably losing. Without Britain, the attack against the U.S. would probably have been German AND Japanese. And the U.S. would probably have LOST. At the outset, the U.S. didn't believe the advice derived from hard-won British experience. It lost so much more than if it it had listened. But let's get a little closer in time. The U.S. Navy said that it was impossible for Britain to retake the Falkland Islands. Meaning that, with argie forces in place, the USN reckoned it couldn't do it. Did WE, Britain, do it? Got an answer for us?
Jul 30th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 018 Conqueror (#)
Jul 30th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry Conqueror, I am not another Churchill, and my days of fighting the peronist curse are long over. It is the young that have to take up cudgels against evil, we oldies are way past it. I guess we can give advice to the youngsters, but truthfully our experience has not been of great successes, three periods of JDP, three horrendous dictatorships and three kirchnerite travesties. I think the new generation can do better by themselves!!!!
17 Tobers
Jul 30th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is slightly disingenuous, Neville Chamberlin and many of his day were not too keen to face up to reality.
Churchill was an exception, a statesman and a visionary who knew action was required and believed in his country and his ability to lead it.
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The answer to all your questions is “no”. Britain would have survived Napoleon and Hitler in one form or another.
Was it in Britain’s best interest to go on the offensive? Yes, absolutely.
Re the FI conflict: I think the Pentagon estimates were that the UK could take the islands, but that they would take much high casualties than they did.
PS
I think that as US power wanes, Britain’s achievements in WW2 (pre US entry) will become more prominent and widely understood.
14 Conqueror & 19 Simon68
Jul 30th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm inclined to agree with both of you. Simon, look at what has been happening in the world, all those dicators overthrown after 30 / 40 years in power. Conqueror is right, when faced with the human spirit, nothing is too big. Everything is possible.
But, and I know that we have had this conversation before, Simon feels that he is too old to be storming the barricades, grabbing his pitchfork and urging the masses on. Maybe now is not the time for revolution in Argentina. Maybe things need to get a bit worse ( ? ) before more people are moved to take direct action.
Given the way things are right now, that would be a pity, but if the poor are in the states back pocket, things will have to get REALLY bad before those people will bit the hand that “feeds” them.
Just saw Team GB beat Argentina in the Hockey, trounced the cheats 4-1 should have had better training facility's other than a war memorial Argys. Give my regards to Chrissy.
Jul 30th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 020
Jul 30th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two points of interest,
Myths—the USA saved the British in WW1=WW2,
Fact- this is not true,
Myths—the Americans were totally taken by surprise over pearl harbour,
Fact, not true, in fact the royal navy informed Washington that the japs, were on there way,.
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as for us, we will sit aback, and play the wait and see game,
our off spring has much to learn, do they not.
@Condorito
Jul 31st, 2012 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Munich Treaty which Britain signed was probably Britain starting to come to terms with the threat that Nazi Germany had become and was to buy time rather than being a straight callous betrayal to the Czechs. Thats politics. But at least Britain via Chamberlaine committed itself to defending Poland should it be attacked. Which it did. Thats facing upto reality.
Churchill was the best type of leader to have during the war but thats not to say Britain and the allies wouldn't have endured and eventually defeated the Nazis without him.
The English Channel helped us Brits an awful lot also.
Argentina COULD overturn its corrupt government.
Jul 31st, 2012 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0This would probably be led by 'the people' using the organisation of the unions. There is a bright union leader available - though you might not like him.
It has just been shown that the country can manage a bloodless 'coup', but that was by the 'bad guys' and with the help of other countries. The unions don't have, arguably, the structures to make their coup bloodless.
And we should not expect what replaces the present corrupt pack of 'bad guys' (Mafia-like in their self-serving behaviour) to be replaced with super-efficient 'good guys'; life isn't like that.
It would help if the unions were willing to hand over the reins of power to the 'good guys' (listed above @ #16), who might effectively manage a country approaching its death throes;
I don't believe the union leaders - driven by far-left ideals of the commune of man - have this vision.
And the 'enemy within' - especially if it is 'the Establishment' - is a lot different to a wartime 'Enemy Across The Channel'.
It should be remembered that Martial Law can take out all potential leaders of a replacement regime before the process begins; such is the nature of (de facto) totalitarian regimes ..... yes, Scorpion in the land of Frogs.
#3 Exactly
Aug 01st, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#15-16 But Argentina has Cristina. Prettier and more left leaning than Churchill (who I like, remember) but with the same bulldog independent spirit =)
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Aug 01st, 2012 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t think history will be as kind to CFK as you. She will be remembered as an ineffective, populist leader.
But maybe CFK would have seen Churchill as an equal, afterall, in the words of Churchill:
“I am fond of pigs.
Dogs look up to us.
Cats look down on us.
Pigs treat us as equals.”
;)
A great Churchill quote, and one I'd never heard of, thanks =) Interesting he liked to be seen as equal, a latent socialist tendency perhaps =)
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