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Argentina shows off jet model and calls on UK to dialogue on Falklands’ sovereignty
Argentina’s minister of Defence called on the UK “to sit and dialogue” over the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty and warned that the British military presence in the South Atlantic “is the only element that upholds the usurpation of that part of our national territory”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesYou are kidding me!!!! using the launch of a new miltary aircraft to bring up the falklands !!
Aug 13th, 2012 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now, is it only me, or does this sound a little provocative?
On another note, the plane looks a tad shitty so not much of a muscle to be flexing
Er....
Aug 13th, 2012 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the 'give peace a chance' people, are trying to show off 'military hardware' in an effort to try and 'intimidate' the British into sovereignty talks.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Who do they think they're fooling? It certainly isn't the British or the Falkland Islanders.
However, they have just rattled sabres on the international stage once, and are proving that all their talk about peace is as sincere as an Indec statistic.
“totally designed and manufactured in Argentina”....I'm guessing if it makes it as far as the Falklands it'll last about 3 seconds in a fight.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0'except for the engine'.... so they are gliders then......
Aug 13th, 2012 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Puricelli is a war mongering twat.....
Showing off a new jet and demanding talks. Isn't that an attempt at agression and military blackmail. Thankfully, one Tycoon can ship on the wings of all these jets before the Argie pilots know anything about it.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice for the Falklanders to know that if the UK didn't have a military presence there then the Argentinians would invade in no time..[british military presence is] “the only element that upholds the usurpation of that part of our national territory”.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also good of him to make it so clear cut for the UN when Argentina complains about the UK militarising the South Atlantic - they have as good as said if we didn't they would invade a peaceful neighbour, again. These Argentine ministers are clowns who shouldn't be allowed to speak in public.
Well that's scary, NOT, good target practice for Dauntless though
Aug 13th, 2012 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn..................
Aug 13th, 2012 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Yeah they may as well have said if the british leave we will invade.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is like Hitler saying he wants a peaceful co-existence with Poland whilst cutting the ribbon to a new Panzer factory near the Polish border.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0And is it just me, or does it look an awful lot like basically EVERY light fighter/trainer type aircraft that's been designed over the past decade.
My goodness, isn't it about time somebody complained to the UN about the militarization of the South Atlantic?
Aug 13th, 2012 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0'At the end of the year the performing Southern Cross acrobatics squadron ........ blah blah blah'
Aug 13th, 2012 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time to send the Red Arrows to MPA methinks... that'll show em....
You know, the Argentinians couldn't get more stupid people in office if they tried.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0So they are threatening the 'Malvinas'. I don't know where they are, and Britain should mention that every time they say the name. Malvinas? Never heard of them.
However, the international community, whom the Argentine government obviously take for fools, can see the Argentine aggression for what it is.
However, the Argentine government has more pressing problems. Such as being sued by their own Provincial Governors.
”The only top official absent from the ceremony was Cordoba governor Jose Manuel De la Sota who is suing the central government (as has done the neighbouring province of Santa Fe) for retaining payment cheques and causing serious financial distress to the local government.”
Argentine Government = Pathetic, Desperate, Foolish, Impotent people.
Even more impotent than usual now that an American Oil firm has staked a claim in FOGL. Any attack threatening US interests wouldn't go down well in Washington.
So what we have here is a ... 'low-cost basic through advanced trainer and light attack aircraft. On June 19, 2001, Lockheed Martin presented this new aircraft during the Paris Air Show and is now offering it to customers worldwide.....'
Aug 13th, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0doesn't sound like something 'totally designed' in Argentina to me....
Sounds more like the sort of thing (BAE Hawk) that the UK designed almost 50 years ago....
What is it about peronistas and lying and thieving?
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/08/13/puricelli-accuses-britain-of-having-nuclear-weapons-on-the-falklands/
Aug 13th, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, he intimated that we might have :-)
Argentina is militarising the South Atlantic and destabilising the whole region! Shameful!
Aug 13th, 2012 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe it's the colour, maybe it's the fact that the engines are ostensibly manyfactured by the same people who manufactured my central heating thermostat, but don't those jet 'fighters' look like hobby projects? ;-)
Aug 13th, 2012 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, as has been highlighted, 'demanding' negotations over sovereignty AND highlighting the fact that British 'militarisation' of the South Atlantic is essential for keeping the peace and defending the Falkland Islanders from a foreign aggressor, AT THE DEMONSTRATION FLIGHT OF A JET FIGHTER, rather destroys Argentina's claim to being 'the peaceful party' in all of this.
War drums are not the favoured mode of communication for a peaceful nation with peaceful intentions Argentina. Hint, hint.
A quick rule of thumb in the world of realpolitik. If you're going to wave a stick about it's probably prudent to ensure that it's a big one. I'm reminded of the Black Knight of Monty Python fame. Know when to quit guys.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0#18
Aug 13th, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0It smacks of “give peace a chance” or else! The protestations that “we are a peaceful nation” seem to be rather doubtful.
The RAF will soon be dispanding some Tornado squadrons. I would suggest that they should be shipped to the Falkands and mothballed - just in case !
“ the British military presence in the South Atlantic “is the only element that upholds the usurpation of that part of our national territory” ”
Aug 13th, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0So they unveil a new jet and then announce on the world stage that if it wasn't for the presence of the UK military the Falklands would be Argentine. Well, that sums up nicely WHY the UK military are there. I hope the FCO send him a thank you card!
If push came to shove I doubt whether this plane would be much of a match against modern RAF fighters! Last time around the Argentine Air Force proved they were formidable opponents and mauled the Royal Navy. It's quite possible if the Argentine army had not been led by a bunch of half wits they may have got control of the Falklands.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21 trust me ozgood they won't maul the Royal Navy again but get thier sorry arses kicked, unlike the rg's we learnt valuable lessons from the Falklands War.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I tried to research this aircraft but came up with nothing of any great use.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Basically, it is a trainer aircraft with a secondary ground attack role.
I doubt if it would have the range to fly to the Falklands and back on any type of aggressive mission- it might make it towards Falklands airspace then it would have to use its ejector seat.
Basically, it is a rehashed alpha-jet with modern avionics and redesigned
wings etc. What the minister failed to say was that although designed and built in Cordoba, I am reasonably certain that the avionics, engine control systems and ejector seat were bought in from foreign suppliers.
Basically, a nice little toy but of no genuine threat to the Falklands.
Would make good target practice for a Typhoon or type 45.
It will be interesting to hear from our Arg. friends who complain about Britain having a military presence in the S.Atlantic, when the Minister as good as said that this was keeping Argentina from invading the islands.
#21
That was then. There is an adage amongst fighter pilots -there are fighters and the rest are targets. In this context the Pampa 11 is a target.
Alex- where are you now? Like to comment on the fact that your Defence Minister has made it CRYSTAL CLEAR that it is only the Britsh Forces in the Falklands that prevent another Argentine MILITARY INVASION?
Aug 13th, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23... here you go http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/argentina/at-63.htm
Aug 13th, 2012 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0its taken the whore mongering peronistas 11 years to cobble together 3 aircraft.....
@24 Islander1 & @23
Aug 13th, 2012 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Totally hit the nail on the head there.
They're a bunch of hypocrites, proclaiming peace and polishing their knives (or rather painting them) in the same breadth.
@21 Ozgood (#)
Aug 13th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 13th, 2012 - 09:20 am
Yes. The British lost 7 ships including 4 combat vessels. In fact, had they targeted more transports we would have been in trouble. Argentina might learn from that but for them the lessons are now irrelevant . Modern Royal Navy vessels, unlike in 1982, don't need to switch off their AD kit in order to use the sat coms. Also there was a damn sight more wrong with the Argentine Army than just leadership though that was number one on their list of deficiencies. Something's haven't changed then. Interestingly, a lot of their kit was better than ours. They just didn't know how to apply it.
It s nice of the Malvinista government to vocalise the real reason for the British military presence in the FI. They are no threat to South America and they are no threat to Argentina. They are only a threat to a third Malvinista invasion force.
And as Clyde said. The Pampa 2 is an upgraded Pampa 1 which is a rehashed Alpha Jet. Great little trainers, might be of some use in the ground attack role against poorly armed civilians when they eventually wake up to
KFC and her criminal incompetence but even a 2nd generation front line warplane with a half competent driver would make very short work of it.
So can we expect a rudiculous rant about the Falklands everytime something new is unveiled. Opening supermarkets or public toilets “we thank Cristina Fernandez for these beautiful urinals and we would like to reaffirm our request for talks on the sovereignty of the Falklands”. God they are getting annoying, what on earth must it be like to live near them?
Aug 13th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only way this particular Argentine aircraft could possibly be considered threatening is if an RAF pilot detected the invader and lost control laughing.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@15 - Lord Ton
Aug 13th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps this is a good time to remind the Malvinistas in BA that laughingly call themselves a government, that if the UK really wanted to make Argentina 'glow in the dark' we could do it sitting comfortably from London.
This is them trying to build an 'excuse' for invading the Falklands once again. It won't work, as no one with half a brain would believe it.
@21 - Ozgood
Like other posters have said, the RN learnt many important lessons from the Falklands.
And to be honest it wasn't just the British, all the main players around the world were watching, and military doctrine was changed because of it.
HMS Dauntless and her sister ships have the capability of shooting down any aircraft and missile in the world, no matter how modern the design. The Argentines are deluding themselves if they believe that this 'rehashed' aircraft is a danger to British interests in the region.
No I believe, like so many other ridiculous statements they make, that this is purely for domestic consumption. They are desperate to distract the populace from the rail crashes, the strikes, the ever increasing prices and the fact that CFK has stolen all their pensions.
Lets invite them over for an Aerobatics display they obviously wont be intending to use them for anything else......
Aug 13th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0ROFL... the pampas, a real threat!
Aug 13th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those planes are a real joke, they are even easily outpowered by our chilean build ENAER A36-Halcons (and those we only use for training purposes). They could only threaten Bolivia or Paraguay with them.
Very provocative words set against the back drop of a new jet for RG Air Force. Despite that fact that it is nothing more than and upgraded trainer jet. One most ask themselve who is taking an agressive tone in the one sided dispute. I think the leadership should realise that they are doing nothing more that taking one step closer to putting their people in harms way with all there saber rattling. Where is all this false bravado coming from?
Aug 13th, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Britworker (#)
Aug 13th, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 13th, 2012 - 11:28 am
I think so yes. A Malvinista eats, shits and sleeps Islas Malvinas. Their lives are consumed by it and it is a cross that weighs Argentina down. Firstly there is hurt pride. This is not something that anybody deals with in an ideal manner and none of their neighbours have suffered a very recent spanking at the hands of white trash gringos.
I mean look at all of the defeats we have suffered over the centuries from Julius Ceasar to the fall of Singapore. Some might even add Basra to that list for a second time but I think the jury is still out on that one. Like any 'older' nations, Britain has learned to deal with set backs and defeat.
Argentina not only lost the war of 1982 but they have, in my opinion, lost the argument too. In fact I don't think they ever had an argument, their own archives belie the truth of that. Sometimes you just have to let go and move on but Argentina cannot let go and they cannot move on because the Malvinistas won't let them. And so long as they continue to threaten and at the same time ignore the Falkland Islanders you can bet that the UK will apply every ounce of it's influence and diplomatic skill in an effort to hold them back. So the sooner the Malvinistas are fooked off and sidelined by their countrymen and women the sooner relations can be normalised and Argentina can begin to realise their true and considerable potential. But they cannot shake this thing. They can't get over it. So f*ck 'em. It's their problem, when they really make it ours too I am sure we will step up and slap them down agian. Them and their warmed over wee puffer jets.
LOL are we supposed to be scared or impressed?
Aug 13th, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 028 Britworker
Aug 13th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I live 'near' them, Uruguay in fact.
Apart from Guzz, no other Uruguayo that I know has anything but disdain for the Argies. In fact, most detest them to the core.
I have been here for 15 months and the reality is, apart from their feelings, the local population take the threat of invasion without any real problem. We will see if and when it happens is the usual response.
For myself I would love either:
1) someone, anyone except a Brit, to murder TMBOA as soon as possible. At least that would start a power struggle within Argentina and take the pressure off Uruguay and the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas);
OR
2) absolute destruction of the economy creating the chance of a civil war between the Peronistas and the rest. I think the economy is going to fall off the cliff that it is teetering on, but I don't think there is enough backbone in the population to finish the problem off.
It is only because they cannot manage their own country properly that we have this nonsense happening.
Agry Brits, if you read carefully you'll see that Puricelli tried to convince us that Argentina is building its defense up, he's not precisely showing off. As Clyde15 said, this is a trainer, nothing more. “Stop wasting ink and don’t get confused: we are not neglecting defence or the armed forces”. It's funny how we in Argentina think that we have almost no armed forces and you Angry Brits believe we are thinking of taking back the islands. It puts in evidence how your war-mongering minds work. Maybe you're all veterans? That would explain a lot.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yet another thinly veiled gesture not even a threat, but at this moment that is all the argtards are capable of. however who was the show of farce really aimed at?, The UK? Brazil? Uruguay/paraguay/chile? strange how brazil just announced the first of 3 ships from UK would be arriving in brazil shortly and within days Argtards unveil its reich's secret weapon “Da SS Pamper” advanced training jet and pizza deliverer/drug courier, one of the slowest jets in the Argentine airforce with a max speed (500+MPH) their expansionist ambition to take over the americas and the world clearly didnt involve an aerial blitzkrieg,
Aug 13th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just a little point of thought for the arg-tards that the British made a wheeled-vehicle that traveled much faster than your brand new spangly crop sprayer at both max speeds, and its that old it doesnt have to pay road tax. True!
coincidental? how the Argtard troops he mustered was the same amount as their counterparts on the Falklands, suggesting they are equal, hes going to need a lot more than 1500 christina youth i assure you, yet another thinly veiled mild gesture from the reich!
for the Argentine minister of clanger to announce in his crowd pleaser speech that the british military “is the only element that upholds the usurpation of that part of our national territory”, we cannot thank him enough, a top argtard government honcho has just admitted publicly that the Argentine agenda involves once again illegally invading a peaceful island and FORCE its will on its population, if it was not for the military the British have staioned, if it smells,looks and sounds like it. you call it for what it is a DICTATORSHIP!
THANK YOU ARGENTINA!, you have just proved globally why britain justifies a presence around the Falklands, you just blown it with the doubters.
if a miracle was needed look no further.....Minister Arturo Puricelli (your a legend)
Airfix and talks ... what an offer! ;-)
Aug 13th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The AT-63 Pampa II ... is an improved version of the Pampa I and ... carries a maximum weapons and ammo payload of 1.600 kilos, which is an advance over 1.60 kilos from Pampa I.”
1.60 Kg certainly needed an improvement - hence the Airfix quip!
#36 - You hit the nail on the head; Argentina's economy is at the cliffs edge and it will need these “new” planes to defend itself against its own people. When I go to Argieland, the productive interior of the country demises what the federal government is doing. There will be riots and the army will be sent to reclaim order. CFK seems ready to setup a dictatorship and the military will only be used for internal issues.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 A bit of research says that it “may” be “totally designed and manufactured in Argentina”. But it's based on the Dassault/Dornier AlphaJet. Except that it's smaller! So if you take the technical plans for an AlphaJet and reduce eveything by around a quarter, you get a Pampa II. It's also slower than an AlphaJet. Maximum speed is 509 mph. Probably so that the wings don't come off. Of course it can carry a weapons load, but if you put a box of grenades on the back seat of a Cessna or a Piper thay have a weapons load as well! Incidentally, the Pampa II was first flown in 1984, but didn't become operational until 1988. It's an advanced trainer, no more. You can compare it to a Hawk as used by the Red Arrows.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 The Typhoon is 3 times faster.
@15 Doesn't Putrid Jelly say that the Falkland Islands is “the only militarised place in the region”? Does that mean that the Islands ARE “the region”. Doesn't argieland have army bases, naval ports and military airbases?
@21 Have to disagree. You do remember that we only sent 28 Harriers, don't you?
@37 How do you think we angry brits (I assume that's what you meant) should interpret the comment in the introduction that [the UK's military presence] “is the only element that upholds the usurpation of that part of our national territory”. I can only assume he means that if there was no UK military presence the invasion would have happened already. Obviously you have a different view - let's hear it then.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh look argentina has built a typhoon target:)
Aug 13th, 2012 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islanders dont want to be argentinan maybe if argentina lived up to its potential. The islanders might be interested but swaping independance for another language and an interfering goverment with competancy issues bit of a hard sell.
IF the UK wanted to play games it could have buzzed the parade with a pair of tiffys and absouletly nothing the combined nations could have done about it :)
is the centenary celebration of the creation of the Air Force Argentina HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MALVINAS, British colonialists typical manipulate the news
Aug 13th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think they're trying to provoke a response. The best thing to do with attention seeking losers is to ignore them. It is a good think I'm not in charge, there are days when I would have bitten and ordered the RAF to pursue and take out an intruding FAA aircraft on one of their incursion and then run away flights, other days I've felt inclined to flatten the Casa Rosada and finally eliminate the irksome pests inside.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Might be some problems later” :) KFC & Co. always remind me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS9bKjL8j1Y
@44
Aug 13th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0> HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MALVINAS
Reading comprehension test :
“Once again I’m calling on the UK to sit at the table so that we can discuss Malvinas sovereignty” said Puricelli
“there was a special remembrance for the 55 Argentine pilots and 61 aircraft knocked out by the British forces during the 1982 conflict in the Falklands.”
“was supported by a parade of a 1.500 strong ground force which came from barracks all over Argentina plus a couple of hundreds of Malvinas war veterans.”
@37 PGH
It's true that the capability is not in evidence to support the rhetoric. On the other hand, we have (at least) twice left a harmless, peaceful population undefended in this neighbourhood, and look what happened. And here we are still today, confronted with a 1930's political culture sitting on top of a 19th century foreign policy.
#44
Aug 13th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Mr.Puricelli was reported correctly, what other inference can we take from his statement that -“ that the British military presence in the S.Atlantic is the only element that upholds the usurpation of that part of our national territory ” Why did he mention it ?
To an English speaker, this means that it is only the British forces that prevent Argentina from invading the Islands.
This is in complete contradiction to what CFK has been saying, that Argentina has no intention of invading and that the British are militarising the S.Atlantic. Why would we go to the bother and expense of this if Argentina had peaceful intentions.
The leopard cannot change it's spots !
@37 PGH (#)
Aug 13th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 13th, 2012 - 12:30 pm
No the war mongers would be you, the Malvinistas. You started the war in 1982 we only finished it. You are threatening the Falkland Islands with invasion and cultural annihilation. We are only defending them. Your defence minister has said that the only thing standing between Argentina and Argentine sovereignty of the Falkland Islands is the British armed forces who are based there. This implies a desire to use military force to take what you want in direct contradiction to your stated 'give peace a chance' policy and UN resolutions. You wouldn't need much of a military force at all if only there were no forces protecting the Falkland Islands in the first instance. You have form. You have intent. You are the warmongers. We are the defenders.
“”“”“”is the centenary celebration of the creation of the Air Force Argentina HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MALVINAS, British colonialists typical manipulate the news“”“””
Aug 13th, 2012 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0erm... did you read the article, heck, did you read the TITLE of the article? (lol)
@44 i half-agree, it has absolutely nothing to do with Malvitas, Its actually aimed at The Falklands, however i like you, you have a sense of humor, going by your username,“anticolonialism” i get the whole ironic thing, Argentinas murderous “conquest of the desert” on its indigenous people and your username “anticolonialism” I get it.....come to think about it its little sick dont you think? next you will be printing the architect of that genocide on your 100 peso bill, oh you have.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i have a new name for you “anti-anticolonialism” or maybe “progenocidalhypocrits” or “expanionistdictatorship” or simply “lyingb@stards” or my favorite “Chubbychavezsladyboy”.
ha ha they look like the planes off the Honda advert!
Aug 13th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did he really say “is the only element that upholds the usurpation of that part of our national territory”?
Aug 13th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When it comes to diplomacy he isn't the sharpest set of scissors in the kiddies craft box is he.
This story is hilarious, you couldn't make it up.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Puricelli said that Malvinas history and events favour Argentina’s case ”
The Argentine fairy tales do, not history.
“ until the British government finally accepts negotiations.”
The British government will not negotiate on sovereignty, and it is a waste of time mentioning the UK government as the Falklands are run by the FIG.
Who the Argentines are too SCARED to talk to.
““Once again I’m calling on the UK to sit at the table so that we can discuss Malvinas sovereignty” said Puricell”
Once again, the UN charter is based on the rights of everyone to express self-determination, so you can call as much as you like. Your Argentine colonialist fantasies will never be realised.
“ two pilots paid their respects to Minister Puricelli and the different commanders and visitors.”
Yeah, by mouthing puta and pulling moonies at Putrid Jelly when he wasn't looking.
“The AT-63 Pampa II led the air show escorted by four AI-63 Pampa.”
This is the military formation it will adopt if it gets anywhere near the Falkland Islands, in the front, running away pursued by Typhoons, Meteors, Sraams, mauser cannon fire etc (oh, I forgot Sea Vipers).
Good practice FAA!
” and have increased military pay”, underlined Puricelli.
The only top official absent from the ceremony was Cordoba governor Jose Manuel De la Sota who is suing the central government (as has done the neighbouring province of Santa Fe) for retaining payment cheques and causing serious financial distress to the local government.“
Give peace a chance by starving your provinces of necessary finance-this would be the FIs fate if they were run by these peronist idiots as a province.
” by 2016 the Air Force is scheduled to count with forty.”
Hopefully by 2016 Typhoons will be armed with the Meteor, so what?
Since getting the Nazis to build the Pulqui 1 & 2 in 1950s RGs have built aircraft for attacking civilians, but come unstuck against other aircraft.
interesting article
Aug 13th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.mexidata.info/id3418.html
Interesting article indeed. I always assumed that with dead man wlaking entering the picture, rgland felt it was injected with a new sense of purpose and testoserone. You Brits pushed the RG's back in 82, like we did to Saddam from Kuwait in 91. Purhaps they need the lesson that Saddam needed to learn.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Sergio Aguero plays in England, where he is an idol, but do not forget even for a second home. Interviewed by the magazine Powerful Throat, produced entirely by neighboring slum, Kun gave his views on the conflict over the Falkland Islands: ”I want to be Argentine again. It would be good and right, but today that is subject to an agreement, and really do not know whether to get a fix. Obviously, we all want to return to be ours, but now they have the ”. **Google translated**
Aug 13th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ole.com.ar/fuera-de-juego/Alla-quieren_0_752924984.html
@54 - Steve
Aug 13th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed interesting, although they have some facts wrong. British sovereignty claims pre-date the existence of Argentina - 1690.
Regarding the article. Venezula and Argentina together still wouldn't pose a significant threat to the Falklands. They dream about being 'powerful' enough to take it away from the UK, just like they dream that their respective 'nationalised' oil companies can drill off-shore despite neither of them having the equipment, expertise or the funding to do it.
This is typical posturing by the leaders of these 2 de facto dictatorships. They honestly believe that if they shout loud and aggressively that they will intimidate the opposition.
Well, stuff like that may have worked for them in the past, against other South American countries, but the British and Falkland Islanders aren't easily impressed by threats of this kind.
As for the 'new' (?) Argentine jets, well I doubt anyone in London or Port Stanley will be losing any sleep over it.
So the military presence will stay, it may even be increased to deter renewed Argentine aggression. And who in the world would blame us since the Argentine government has revealed its true intent over the Falklands.
Yup, I bet heads will roll over this spectacular own goal.
@53 i agree, you couldnt make it up, but the argtards have pretence as their national past time,apparently teach it in school
Aug 13th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(for those who yet to see the daming video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EJeM6ifRbA
@54 interesting piece of insight, nice to see the capers from chubbs and scrote throat are gathering unwanted attention
@55 Argtards need to be aware that this time any attack on UK forces or on the Falkland territory and its economy will bring a devastating defence response unlike it has ever experienced upon the infrastructure, communication and defences of Argentina. Team GB is a completely different animal to whom not to fuk with, far more capable than it was in 1982, and this time we are ready!! it will be brief and decisive.
i would like to sea a land based version of the sea vipers system installed at the airbase on The Falklands, just as an extra precaution maybe they already have.
Puricelli is another inept Argentinian politician giving the Malvinas spin to detract the gullible away from the fact that the Argentine Peso is about to go ti*ts up.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ LEPRecon #57
Aug 13th, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd argue that Venezuela joining with Argentina as a belligerent would possibly be beneficial for the Falklands, because surely that would be a sufficient prompt/ casus belli for the Yanks to finally jump down off of the fence.
@ Piratelove #50
You sir deserve a rousing round of applause, those alternate usernames gave me a good chuckle.
@58 - PirateLove
Aug 13th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure the anti-aircraft defences are more than adequate.
Unlike 1982 I'm sure MI6 keep an ear to the ground regarding Argentine military strength and preparedness.
Since it takes time to build up an 'invasion' force, the British would have plenty of notice of such an event, and respond accordingly.
Remember, it's standard operating procedure to keep a brigade (Bde) at full readiness, able to deploy at short notice (within 24hrs) to anywhere in the world. Units from this Bde could be flown directly to Mount Pleasant, with heavier elements following within a day or two.
Besides, the Argies will never put to sea as they are unsure whether there is an Astute class submarine tooling around under the waves.
#60 There's some of us Yanks that want to come down off that fence now. But politics and diplomacy as it is......however nothing would give the USA greater pleasure than to know Chubby Chevaz is on the run from a Predator Drone sniffing for his sticking ass. Even help change the name of La Cassa Rosa to la Casa de las Cenizas.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44 anticolonialism (#)
Aug 13th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 13th, 2012 - 01:26 pm
Oi! Einstein! It was your defence minister that made the connection in his speech. ADS must be Malvinista specific.
@54 It is an interesting article. Pity Mr Brewer couldn't get his history right. Fancy leaving out 142 years!
Aug 13th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@55 “like we did to Saddam from Kuwait in 91.” Who's “we”? I'm sure you noticed the Royal Navy warships offshore, the Royal Air Force Tornados flying low-level missions, the UK 1st Armoured Division driving to Kuwait City and the 53,462 other British troops. Including the much, and rightfully, praised Special Air Service.
A full and frank admission that only the British military prevents the whole S. Atlantic from being overrun by Argentina.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Antarctic next.
However these 3aircraft are not going to change the military balance of power, but his comments do underline the need for the region to be defended.
There is no point in trying to reason with, or even talk to someone like this.
LEPRecon
Aug 13th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But do you not remember?
TMBOA, supported by Putridjelly STATED that there IS a British nuclear submarine in their waters!
So it must be true! :o)
@61 no doubt, the military will have any situation in hand, i was just fishing on the sea vipers land unit hybrid thingy , but out of interest i wonder? mmmm
Aug 13th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60 as per usual the argtards do it to themselves, with a little naughty tinkle here and there. :)
British military presence in the South Atlantic “is the only element that upholds the usurpation of that part of our national territory”.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's think that through for a moment. If all the British military left the Falklands tomorrow, the islanders would still be there and so would their government and institutions. So how is the military the 'only element' that upholds a British presence?
Puricelli made this statement while standing in front of Argentina's brand new fighter jet. Is there any doubt about what he's saying?
I hope the world is listening, Puricelli has just stated very clearly why the British military is needed to ensure the islanders' freedom.
Las Malvinas son británicas
Aug 13th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(yawns at warmongers' chatting and walks away)
Aug 13th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Once again I’m calling on the UK to sit at the table so that we can discuss Malvinas sovereignty” and “Stop wasting ink and don’t get confused: we are not neglecting defence or the armed forces: since 2003 we’ve recovered the aircraft manufacturing plant and have started in line production of the Pampa model; we have also recovered shipyards, and have increased military pay”
Aug 13th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a clear military threat.
Is it time to get old Iron-Maggie back into the pilot's seat?
Has the time come for a pre-emptive strike before Argentina attacks again?
I really would'nt get worked up about these aircraft.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are basic jet trainers with limited payload and avionics. They don't carry advanced targeting or self defence ECM systems.
They are also subsonic and lack a credible air to air capability or the baility to drop guided air to surface weapons.
In short, the FAA would only ever employ them against us as a desperation measure, unless they forward based them from somewhere on the Falklands as a close support plane, in which case we have other things to think about.
We should really only get concerned if the FAA starts to acquire more modern first line warplanes.
@68 when and if the time comes unfinished business with the argentines will be concluded once and for all, as argentina knows too well, question is would Argentina allow its government to condemn its youth to certain death again!
Aug 13th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0for a fantasy, a lie brainwashed into them for use as a political tool ,
for their sake i really hope not. we dont want to see the falklands turned into the regional dumping ground for argentine war dead.
Hilarious videos:
Aug 13th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sean Penn explains the Falklands dispute to a child. Before Britain showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt1mBowzXU4
and
Jackass Sean Penn on the Falklands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPwYMPKNAzI
This aircraft was first produced in 1984. The Argentine airforce have 27. This aircraft is on a par with the Folland Gnat which was retired from the RAF in 1979. Still, it's a nice piece of Argentine spin...
Aug 13th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina shows off jet model and calls on UK to dialogue on Falklands’ sovereignty”. This reminds me of an idiot work colleague who invited us to the car park to 'show off' his new Citroën Saxo. To be fair though, he didn't make it worse by simultaneously demanding somebody else's desk .
Aug 13th, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's make it clear:
Aug 13th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has never been (and will never be) able to “invade” the Malvinas Islands in the same way England will never be able to “invade” London or Italy will never be able to “invade” Rome.
Countries connot invade their own territory, they just can recover it.
@75 I thought it was this one.... they are still a day late and a dollar short though...
Aug 13th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'AT-63 Pampa
With a fully upgraded cockpit and modern avionics suite, the new AT-63 under production in Argentina is setting a new standard for low-cost basic through advanced trainer and light attack aircraft. On June 19, 2001, Lockheed Martin presented this new aircraft during the Paris Air Show and is now offering it to customers worldwide.
The Argentine Air Force signed an agreement with Military Planes Manufacturer of Cordoba for the purchase of 12 Pampa AT-63 pilot trainers- The production is scheduled to begin in 2003. The first jet prototype conducted the inaugural flight in early 2002. The aircraft worth 6 million dollars is being offered to Colombia, Greece and Venezuela.
Argentine Naval Aviation signed a contract in February 2001 with Lockheed Martin for 8 Pampa pilot trainers. It is expected that the first aircraft will be delivered in March 2003. The idea is to start up the manufacturing of the place with the intention to export it to other countries such as Uruguay, Colombia and Israel. In 2001 some negotiations were also initiated in France.
The new generation AT-63 maintains the ease of maintenance and airframe stability of the original version, produced in the late 1980s as the IA-63, while adding advanced upgrades and additional combat capabilities.
The first upgraded prototype is flew at the end of this 2001, and serial production was scheduled to begin in late 2002.
XXXXXXXXXXXOver half of the AT-63’s components are manufactured in the United States,XXXXXXXXXX
.. and the aircraft is fully supported by Lockheed Martin Aircraft & Logistics Centers.
While the Argentine Air Force is the first customer for the new AT-63, other countries have expressed an interest, and the Argentine government is supportive of international sales of the aircraft. In addition to Latin America, export potential for the AT-63 exists in Europe, Africa and the Middle East.
#77 You RGs really need to get over this. that miniscule period in 1833 does not count as belonging to Argentina. The Brits laid claim to the Flakslands since 1690 and more so to prove the prove, they have controlled the islands destiny for that past 180 years. Possession is 9/10s of an law. They are by de facto, UK territory, province, hatever you call it, it's British.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you believe it's rg's and can recover it, what are you waiting for? Has la Campora taught you how to respond to that yet? Afraid your balls will be given back to you in a “chineese to go box”?
I have been enjoying all your amusing comments!!! I think if you dig you'll discover that this aircraft is a joint effort with Dornier of Germany.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina flew them in defense of the nasty British I'm not sure if the Typhoon pilots or the Type 45 crew would be able to fire, they'd be too busy laughing at the DIY planes built in a shed from balsa wood and duct tape.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be like taking on dads army.......
And before anyone suggests this is solely for training pilots I refer you to comments from your defense minister.
This is the equivalent of threatening a Rottweiler
Aug 13th, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With a pussy cat,
And saying, sit and talk, or she will scratch your eyes out ,
CFK never learns,
Still,
Once a joke , always a joke .
.
its beautiful.
Aug 13th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ PGH # 70
Aug 13th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Flips one fingered salute at the colonialist fascist and returns to discussing current events with the grownups)
@ vix # 77
You have to have legitimately owned something in order to be able to 'reclaim' it. Hence why the British task force in 1982 were sent to 'reclaim' the Falkland Islands after Argentina 'illegally invaded'.
@77
Aug 14th, 2012 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina never owned the Islands. This has been argued forever on these posts and can continue to be argued. Thirteen years (more factually three months in 1832-1833, and another three in 1982) is of dubious relevence based on a commercial venture that recognised British sovereignty does not overide 187 years of settlement, (179 of these continously),
Malvinistas, your claim to the Falkland Islands is totally unsubstantiated on several counts, but if you want another intellectual mauling then go ahead and re-state your case.
And again, fail.
Argentinians Brainwashing their youth Falklands propaganda.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EJeM6ifRbA&feature=player_embedded
82 briton
Aug 14th, 2012 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is the equivalent of threatening a Rottweiler
With a pussy cat,
And saying, sit and talk, or she will scratch your eyes out ,
I love it and the analogy is not that far fetched
has anyone here been to Argentina ? are the general populations' emotions on the issue as acetose as the Argentine governments, I'd be curious to know. Stating that the only reason why the status quo exists is due 'ONLY' to the military presence of the other side is a disturbing statement. It suggests that even today, in 2012, the Argentine government still openly vaunts coercion over the island population, and NOT dialogue.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure this is a nice plane for them to use…
Aug 14th, 2012 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0It’s like they have a new ford Fiesta in metallic blue with some option extras like MP3 connectivity etc. And this is fine as we have our own car’s also… and all can cohabit space together on the road with no issues… Except if they are looking for an all-out winner takes all race… That’s when we show our cars are McLaren mp12-4c. Hyper cars capable of massive speed, cornering, breaking, durability and with all the options you can think of as standard…
Was that a bit random and not really clear to anyone what I mean…? Guess it’s just like all the CFK’s governments speeches… Except we can back up claims quite easily!
That said I personally think our approach of not getting drawn into the argument in any really way political is the best move by our government and the FIG.
We have our own local issues to resolve and I am sure the Fig have their own issues to deal with given the massively increased interest in the area for THEIR natural offshore resources.
I am sure however that if thinks go sour and CFK pushes for things to escalate then we will as a nation come immediately to the support for the FIG and their territory.
1982 was a painful time for both sides but valuable lessons were learned at least by the British and the FIG. I doubt we will get caught with our pants down again…!
@77 Could you make it clearer please? Like when did argieland “acquire” this territory and on what legal basis? Please remember that you can't “acquire” territory when it already belongs to someone else. All you can do is “trespass” and “squat”.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@83 Yeah, it's just like a BAE Systems Hawk. Except that the Hawk is bigger, faster, can lift more and actually flies!
@84 It said “recover”. Maybe argieland could “recover” the Falklands. Much like “re-covering” a lounge suite. They could “re-cover” the territory with discarded argie weapons, uniforms, boots, tents. Alternatively, we could let small “working” parties enter the Islands to “recover” the landmines they left behind. By joining hands and skipping across the designated areas.
This is clear sh*tstirring from mercopress, lapped up by the anti-argies, again!
Aug 14th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 091 British_Kirchnerist (#)
Aug 14th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No it isn't, it was an official act of the Argentine Government, with a speech given by our Minister off Defence!!!!!!
BK has been hidding a lot lately. Where's all the RGie trolls lately? Maybe they will retrun not that the subte is open again, temporarily anyway.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@93 The BA subway is “working” again. They've been out to get used to not walking. Either that or there's another power cut!
Aug 14th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BK comes out from under his rock just in time to make an arse of himself again, well said Simon68, now BK do one with your picture of Turkey neck and some tissues and let the grown ups talk
Aug 14th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting that it takes Argentina till 2012 to update the 'Pamper.' I believe the Brits started updating the Hawk in the 90s and even in the 80s we produced the Single seat fighter Hawk that could S**t all over the 'Pamper.'
Aug 14th, 2012 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has an interesting agile combat aircraft demonstrator/model sitting in a factory. That would be a tad more scary than their poor man's Alpha Jet.
#96
Aug 14th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An agile combat aircraft demonstrator is light years away from a working proven production aircraft. It needs a powerful reliable engine, modern avionics, sensors, radar etc. These will have to be acquired from foreign sources and integrated into the airframe - no easy task.
I saw the forerunner of the Typhoon at Farnborough in 1986. It was 2005 before I saw the first RAF Typhoon at RAF Coningsby and the last squadron - 1 Squadron - will be reformed at RAF Leuchars at their Battle of Britain display in September.
lol !!! I remember: ” Sheffield is the first navy..!!!!! argentine has decrepit fighter plane!! .... and? .. sunken !!!!! hahahahahah, I remember... hahahahah !!!!!! british and american cipayos go home!! America only genuine americans.
Aug 14th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A pre-emptive strike may be just what is needed to spit on the Argie botox dictator CFK.
Aug 15th, 2012 - 05:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here's a list of targets that bring her a pretty fast ending:
1) La Quinta de Olivos (her official residence)
2) La Casa Rosada (Pink Government house, used to be a brothel, hence the color)
3) Los Sauces Casa Patagonica (CFKs hotel which she built on federal land that she and dead Nestor stole from the people)
This will put an end to the botox tyranny! Since the Dauntless is in the region, why not put it to good use?
Waste of good ammo
Aug 15th, 2012 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@98 - JUBA
Aug 15th, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0HMS Sheffield was 30 years ago. At that time Argentina had more modern aircraft and weapon systems than the British. Since that time your military hasn't upgraded its aircraft or weapons systems. This 'new' aircraft that Argentina has 'developed' is just a rehash of an older model, with few upgrades. Quite frankly it's a joke, just like these clowns who run your country have made Argentina the butt of everyone's joke.
By the way, your glee at the destruction of the Sheffield shows your ignorance and immaturity.
Twenty sailors lost their lives on Sheffield, but the rest of the crew were saved by their sister ships.
The attack on the General Belgrano took 323 Argentine lives. Over a hundred of these deaths occurred due to exposure in the sea. The 'valiant' Argentine Navy destroyer escort group fled and left these men to die, despite receiving word from the British that they wouldn't be fired upon.
Your NAVY then RAN and HID for the rest of the conflict. The British lost 6 ships, but kept on coming.
That show's that Argentina isn't prepared to lose lives over the Falklands. The British have shown that they will protect the FREEDOM of the Falkland Islanders WHATEVER the cost.
By the way, JUBA, just what ethnic group do you belong to? If you are not a native south american, then feel free to leave the Americas and return to where your family originated from. If you are a native south American, why do you care about a group of islands that YOUR people never lived on - ever? Why don't you tell all non-native Americans to get off your land, such as 39,400,000 of Argentine citizens who have NO Amerindian blood in their veins? Including the MAJORITY of the Argentine government.
The stench of hypocracy must choke the air of Argentina every day.
to be fair, the RG armed forces are more based around subjugation and mass-murder of unarmed civilians than the idea of fighting something that can fight back.
Aug 15th, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Case in point, despite the RG navy operating under friendly air cover, they break and run like total COWARDS the moment they lose a ship.
Maybe if we painted our ships to look like unarmed natives, they might have been fooled into actually fighting?
101 LEPRecon
Aug 15th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are ridiculous, I´m native south american, very american... and you?
you are british or amecican cipayo? ....lol
@ Juba Thought you'd be more interested in getting rid of the Europeans in Argentina than somewhere that never had a native population.
Aug 15th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Great Falklands Gamble Revealed”, very objective and no RG stupid rhetoric. Worth watching.
Aug 15th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT9wsAU0mMQ&feature=youtu.be
@103 - Juba
Aug 15th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then no doubt you'll be wanting to get rid of the 39 and half million non-Amerindian Argentines 1st. You know those who are the descendants of the people who committed acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing against your ancestors in the War of the Desert.
By the way you didn't answer the question in my post. If you really are a native Amerindian, why do you care about some islands that your people never settled or even knew existed?
The Argentines (those European colonialist barstewards) who massacred your ancestors, don't have a valid claim.
In late 1832 they tried to set up an illegal military penal colony, which the British protested (since the Falklands had been claimed by the British since 1690). This colony FAILED all by itself by the time the British turned up in 1833.
Now the Vernet colony (who had British permission to be there), remained on the islands (Argentina lies when they say there were expelled and we have proof that they were not - damned Argentine European colonists who stole your land), but the British left no military presence.
So answer this. If Argentina (well the UP as it was then) really thought the islands were their property, why didn't they send a military force in 1833 to take it back? Or in 1834, 1835, 1836 etc? Why did the Argentine government in 1850 sign a treaty of perfect friendship with the British which stated that they had no outstanding disputes with Britain? It is because the Argentine government back then recognised British sovereignty, and this current 'claim' by Argentina was a political ploy by Peron in the 1940's to 'unite' disparate Argentine groups.
Since then Argentina has continuously lied on the world stage, and in 1982 you illegally invaded sovereign British territory and were subsequently given a good shoeing.
Your defence minister has stated that if it were not for the British troops based on the Falklands, that Argentina would invade again. Not very peaceful or friendly, is it?
LEPRecon I´not your friend...remember british invation 1806 and second 1807, and tirth 1833 and 1845. british go home !!!!!! time, time, remember.
Aug 15th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, another Argbot.
Aug 15th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think this one will even be a remotely fun plaything though
Why is everyone, especially the Argies getting excited about this Aircraft? It's a jet trainer and a poor one at that. In a hypothetical dog fight a BAE Hawk 2 would rip of its head and shit down its neck. Of coarse that wont happen as it's a jet trainer and they don't enter into combat roles unless its an emergency.
Aug 15th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@107 -Juba
Aug 15th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British were fighting the evil Spanish colonialists who murdered your ancestors and stole your land.
There are still thirty-nine and a half million of said descendants of those murderous european colonists squatting on your lands, marginalising and being racist to your people.
But of course, you're not really an Amerindian, you're just a La Campora Malvinista troll, who can't even put a coherent sentence together, let alone provide actual evidence of Argentina's claim to the Falklands.
I'm glad you're not my friend. I'm very discerning when choosing friends. I like them to have an IQ above 80.
LEPRecon, lying, “The britsh were fighting the evil Spanish colonialists who murdererd your ancestors and stole your land” hahahahah, the british are gulible, holy?.... my God, pirates, thieving, drunk. Remember: time, time and british go home. 1806, 1807, 1833, 1845 british invation, but to day: new America and new americans, remember for long time. In adition: I, m not your friend.
Aug 15th, 2012 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0111 JUBA (#) It wasn't an invasion, it was in fact an act of liberation to get the Spanish yoke off the Spanish colonies.
Aug 16th, 2012 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0111 JUBA
Aug 16th, 2012 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another bitter native hopped up on firewater, talk to the trees or the spirit of the buffalo,,,,,, what a load of crap! I hope nobody is buying your “indian” bullshit, you would be far more bitter towards the Spanish than the British, unless you are a North American indian and then you would probably be too drunk to post anything.
@111 - Juba
Aug 16th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So now you are saying that you are NOT an Amerindian, but descended from one of those EUROPEAN colonists who stole their land and murdered their ancestors. A new American JAJAJAJAJAJAJA!
Tut, tut, lying is bad for you and against God's law. As a 'good' Catholic you should be ashamed of yourself. 10 Hail Mary's (to a graven idol) and 40 Our Father's may clear you soul, but I doubt God would believe it.
The people of the Falklands can trace their ancestry in the islands back to before Argentina existed. They were there 1st, get over it.
Not only that, but if the United Provinces of the River Plate were so sure of their sovereignty claim, why didn't they send troops to retake the islands in 1833 or 1834 or 1835 or 1836 or 1837 or 1838 or 1839 or indeed any time in the 19th century? There was no British military garrison on the islands at this time, so there wouldn't have been any resistance.
So what you have is a new country, who in 1833 pushed their luck and tried to grab a piece of land belonging to someone else, in the hopes that someone else either wouldn't notice or care.
But the British both noticed and cared.
100 years go by, with neary a word from the Argentine government, then suddenly in the 1940's you government start spouting monumental lies, using the Nazi mantra that “a lie told often enough will become the truth”.
In 1982, the Argentine government once again tried its luck with trying to steal someones land in the hopes that they wouldn't notice or care.
But the British did notice and did care. We cared enough to risk the loss of the lives of our servicemen. We lost 6 ships and over 200 lives, but we prevailed to save the Falkland Islanders from a petty selfish people who care NOTHING about human rights.
That loss of British lives means that the UK will NEVER give up the Falklands to the PETTY SELFISH ARGENTINE GOVERNMENT who only ever STEAL from their OWN people. Why would ANYONE volunteer to live under a government like that?
@111
Aug 16th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time for Argentines who are not from Amerindian stock (38 million plus?) to book a flight home to Europe, according to your logic.
Juba,
Aug 17th, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0lts been a distinct pleasure listening to your solid, unquestionable reasonings & crossing swords with your rapier like wit.
Please keep posting.
lt gives me more & more reasons to ever reject any Argentine “offers” on our future.
l get far more sense talking to my roses than l would ever get, talking to you.
This is not militarisation, but a couple of Eurofighters is? Maybe if we built some 1970s retro aircraft too, and stationed them on the Falkland Islands, perhaps Putridjelly would be happy? Maybe not, come to think of it, we were building more capable aircraft than this back in the early 1950s... but with engines :))
Aug 17th, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Electric_Lightning
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Aug 17th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 107 JUBA
Aug 18th, 2012 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You must be quite old to “remember british invation 1806 and second 1807, and tirth 1833 and 1845.”
#119 st.john what? what???
Aug 18th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please support our page - Honour Restored Falklands Liberation - dedicated in honour of all those who helped liberate the Falkland Islands in 1982 and dedicated to keeping the islands free for future generations to grow up in the peace and security -https://www.facebook.com/HonourRestored
Aug 18th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This Pampa is inferior to the BAE Hawk in every respect. The Hawk was first flown in 1974, primarily as an RAF trainer, and we've built more than 600 of them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Hawk
Aug 19th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since then we've moved on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Hawk
Obviously Putridjelly is very proud, but if he really believes that piece of junk will scare Britain into capitulating to his threats, he's even more of a clown than he looks.
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