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Unasur calls for dialogue to solve the controversy between Ecuador and the UK
The Union of South American Nations (Unasur) called for dialogue to solve the crisis between Ecuador and Great Britain regarding the diplomatic asylum granted by the Andean country to Wikileaks founder Julian Assange who is holed in at the embassy in London. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAll we need to do is keep this up and Assange is by default in a prison of his own making.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice to know that Ecuador is happy to shelter an alleged sex offender who has broken conditions of his bail. Bit of a reputation of sheltering undesirables down that way!
Nice it seems more SA countries are willing to help someone facing rape charges and has broken bail conditions escape to a non-extradition country.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Under UK law he has to be arrested for breaching his bail conditions and be passed to the Swedish as per international law for his trial.
This is truly shameful behavior by Ecuador harboring a person wanted by both the UK (for breach of bail conditions) and Sweden for potentially rape charges.
Idiots. They have condemned britain's attempt to comply with international law . They have failed to back assange himself but gave ecuador its backing to offer immunity to who ever they want, so correa could open its gates to murders and rapists and thats ok with unasur and alba. Any excuse to throw dirt at the uk and to hint that britain bullies the americas.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't recall the UK being so resolved to extradite Augusto Pinochet when he was wanted in Spain to face mass murder charges
Aug 20th, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting that while SA, even Colombia, is lining up behind Ecuador, the EU is staying right out of it. Does Britain really want to lose relations with a whole continent over the “principle” of not guaranteeing Assange's right to life? (note: I said Britain for a reason, as I don't mean the British trolls here who would see it as an honour to have SA break of all realations with us, however disastrous the consequences)
Aug 20th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 British_Kirchnerist (#)
Aug 20th, 2012 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 20th, 2012 - 09:08 am
The EU will step up when there is something to step up about. Your tiny sycophantic Malvinista brain is reading more into this than there is. Go back to your dressing up.
5 British_Kirchnerist
Aug 20th, 2012 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The EU has already stepped up, they supoprt the extradition to Sweeden. In fact, they support it so whole heartedly that they went to the effort of putting it into law.
@4 Shall we start by recalling that the Spanish “judge” that indicted Pinochet is now a leading member of Assange's legal team? Pinochet was released for various reasons but was only authorised to return to Chile. Assange was on bail but authorised to go to Sweden. Instead, the coward ran. Also, you must consider that circumstances change. Quote “the unprecedented detention of Pinochet in a foreign country for crimes against humanity committed in his own country, without a warrant or request for extradition from his own country, marks a watershed in international law.” See also “Pinochet claimed immunity from prosecution as a former head of state under the State Immunity Act 1978. This was rejected, as the Lords decreed that some international crimes, such as torture, could not be protected by former head-of-state immunity. The Lords, however, decided in March 1999 that Pinochet could only be prosecuted for crimes committed after 1988, the date during which the United Kingdom implemented legislation for the United Nations Convention Against Torture in the Criminal Justice Act 1988. This invalidated most, but not all, of the charges against him; but the outcome was that extradition could proceed.” In fact, one of the things that led to the final decision was Pinochet's ill-health. Bear in mind that his travel to the UK was for medical treatment.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0But Assange is a criminal with no political dimension. He is wanted in Sweden in connection with alleged sex offences. He has now committed offences in Britain by breaching his bail conditions.
@5 What is LatAm to us? Except an enemy. Every LatAm country that supports the illegitimate and illegal claims of argieland against British territory is an actual or potential enemy. And should be treated accordingly. And quasi-Brits that support the enemy should be treated like any other quisling. Or as enemy aliens!
storm in teacup from a tinpot country enjoying 15 minutes of fame by harbouring a wanted rapist...quality hes wanted in Sweden and UK for breaking bail...whats the huge problem!!!
Aug 20th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The already is dialogue between the UK and Ecuador. There has been throughout Assange's stay at the Ecuadorian embassy building and it continues. That is why minutes of the discussions have been recorded....... and then twisted and leaked by the Ecuadorians.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite fun to read that every mess up of yours isn't really your fault, it's just someone “leaking” :)
Aug 20th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12
Aug 20th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz, we know the script now thanks, we understand that every issue to do with the UK will be as a result of us being Imperial Colonialists and every issue with any country in South America is as a result of the Falkland Islands. It makes things simple really doesnt it. I though it was interesting that at the Unasur meeting, 3 voted against, 5 abstained and 3 didn't even bother to turn up, that's a third if the organisation. Hardly unified!
@11 I think it's fun that nothing argieland ever does is their “fault”. It's always someone else's fault. So nothing is ever OUR fault. It's always someone else's fault. Usually the fault of argies. More recently uruguayans. (Isn't it strange, the similarity in name. Those nasty orcs in Lord of the Rings. The Uruk-hai. And Uruguay.) Then discourteous Peru. Now criminal-hiding Ecuador. Mind you, one criminal hiding amongst a bunch of criminals............eh? Do you have a problem if we follow your example?
Aug 20th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correa has a chip on his shoulder concerning the US. His father was convicted of smuggling cocaine into the US and then subsequently committed suicide; it is believed that Correa blames the Americans for this and, by association, Britain.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ricardo Patiño is a political appointee and his qualifications to be a diplomat are absolutely zero. It is very unlikely that he is respected by Ecuadorian career diplomats but he, too, has an even bigger chip on his shoulder.
Conqueror, I can't believe you're justifying Pinochet...regardless of treaties and dates, the guy was an outright genocide, who deserved to be put on trial. Can't compare that to the charges against Mr. A. It's a major double standard by the UK right there, no way to deny it.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who GAF about Assange? He has already shown himself to be an abject coward and without morals.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder the LatAm gang of of dim-wits jumped on the chance to berate the UK despite these facts.
I hope the UK use the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987 to suspend the Ecuadorian Embassy either temporarily or permanently and allow the police to execute the arrest warrant on the premises.
If Ecuador wants to have a hissy fit typical of LatAms, that is up to them.
What the hell Uruguay is doing voting in this manner is beyond my comprehension if they want to develop relationships with grown up countries and advance trade.
Who, other than the likes of Iran and the other losers, is going to extend the hand of friendship to rabid countries such as Ecuador and their allies?
It is sad that UNASUR approves of Correa abuse of international law by providing political assylum to a hacker seeked by justice in another country. The law is not up to negotiation in the UK and in Sweden.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0International law cannot be used as a populist and nationalist instrument.
@16 LatAm countries have a history of using foreign embassies for asylum, particularly under dictatorships when persecutions are at their most fervent. So, any suggestion that they would not be a refuge in the future tends to make them sensitive. (I don't blame them given the behaviour of some of the SoAm Presidents).
Aug 20th, 2012 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The facts that the 1987 Act is a UK law and that there has never been a threat to use it on the Ecuadorian Embassy appear to have been lost in the scramble for a good old over-reaction and false drama.
TWIMC......
Aug 20th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please notice comment No.:12 by ”Britworker”
Her writes:
”I though it was interesting that at the Unasur meeting, 3 voted against, 5 abstained and 3 didn't even bother to turn up, that's a third if the organisation. Hardly unified!”
I say:
This turnip didn’t even thought before sprouting turnipy lies…
3 voted against, 5 abstained and 3 didn't turn up, he says…..
3 + 5 + 3 = 11
As we all know, Unasur consists of 12 members…..:
1)Argentina
2) Bolivia
3) Brasil
4) Chile
5) Colombia
6) Ecuador
7) Guyana
8) Paraguay
9) Perú
10) Surinam
11) Uruguay
12) Venezuela
If eleven of those Countries voted against, abstained or were absent as ”Britworker” wants us to believe, it means that only Ecuador voted in favor…….
This Turnip calling himself ”Britworker” is an insult to all decent Britworkers out there…..
(16) ChrisR
Why don’t you just pack your bags, leave Uruguay and move back to England?
You would spare yourself a lot of anger and us a lot of your nonsense….
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/comment/talking-politics/imperialist-britain-must-negotiate-over-assange-115317375.html
Aug 20th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Imperialist Britain must negotiate over Assange”
@19
Aug 20th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm terribly sorry, I meant the OAS. You have that many factional groups, it's easy to mix you all up.
*2 yeah right!! just like General pinochet was arrested by the British government and put on trial when he visited Mrs Thatcher in the 90s...LOL LOL LOL
Aug 20th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@20
Aug 20th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? The best you can come up with is a article written by an Argentine architect banging on about Britain thinking it's still an Empire. What next? A Bolivian toilet attendant claiming the Queen rules the world?
The UK gives a damn about respecting other countries, this unequivocally proves it. The only hissyfit here is by the churlish Brits, as usual, when they don't get their way they call the other side all names and their mother.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK has granted assylum to murderers, and genocidists simply because they were fighting either the Soviets, or because they were a butt-stop against muslim fundamentalism. No honor as usual.
@19
Aug 20th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The resolution, adopted with 23 votes in favor, 3 against, 5 abstentions and 3 absent, convenes the Foreign Ministers of the OAS Member States to meet on Friday, August 24 at 11:00 EDT (16:00 GMT) at the headquarters of the organization in Washington, DC.
There you are, a third of the organisation disinterested - once again hardly unified!
The facts are simple.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Julian Assange is an alleged rapist avoiding due process and breaking the conditions of his bail agreement in the UK.
2) Ecuador has, for political reasons (in my opinion) misrepresented, misused and abused the detail of a classified inter-governmental meeting with the UK to discredit the UK and cause unwarranted controversy.
The only way to prevent a similar thing ever happening again would be to break off diplomatic relations completely and stop talking to them.
@27
Aug 20th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And having no relations with the UK hurts Ecuador... how? lol
@15 What a pillock you are. Where's the “justification”? Just a statement of the British judicial system at the time. Do you have a problem with 1+1 = ?
Aug 20th, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 5 out of 12? Democracy? Jump, kangeroo slime.
@20 Dream on, slug!
@22 Cretinous slug!
@24 And argieland has granted “asylum” to thousands of nazi murderers, genocides, slime. Sorry, was it called “sanctuary”? Nothing to you scumsuckers, though. Not considering the tens of millions of Amerindians you “exterminated”. Bet you reckoned the nazis were just “learning”. Just how many millions did you exterminate, TiT? Have you apologised? Have you made reparations? Thought not. YOU are responsible. Just like YOU were responsible for the Falklands War. YOU scumsh*tes were responsible for 255 British deaths. At a minimum, we want 1000,000 argie deaths for every British soldier killed. Another 255,000,000 argie corpses required. To be chopped into small pieces and shovelled into the ocean. You don't have enough? Then let's just kill everything!
@28
Aug 20th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tens of millions? What about the dozens of billions of Indians, Africans, and Aborigenes you brought under, as the Krauts would say.
I think you took my reply way too personally. Usually that means you got hurt by the truth or by a smarter opponent, but in your case it's always both.
@29
Aug 20th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Billions of Indians, Africans etc? I think you have you figures a little mixed up there Mr TTT anyway just ignore Conqueror he is a little bit childish in my opinion.
@20 -Tobias
Aug 20th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should know by now to ignore Conqueror or report his posts.
As for your response it seems just as bad. Dozens of billions is more people than has EVER existed in the history of the Human Race. That's the last 20,000 years for Homo Sapians, but about 6 million years if you want to go as far back to where we diverged from Chimpanzees and started upright.
Stop making a fool out of yourself with these ridiculous claims.
As for Unusur. It's nothing to do with them. It's quite telling that Ecuador, like all bullies, only feel brave when backed up by their mates. But this isn't between the UK and South America, this is actually between Ecuador and Sweden, with Britain being caught in the middle. The rest of South America should butt out of this because they will only make fools of themselves, just like Correa is making a fool out of Ecuador.
You see, according to Correa, RAPE isn't a crime in South America. He said that to the whole world! Incredible! Unbelievable! Yup, any sensible government now should be distancing themselves from Ecuador and stating that they are neutral in this dispute. But they won't and they'll make fools of their countries before the rest of the world.
@30
Aug 20th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And his figures are lined up and te'ed?
The UK is screwed BIG here:
If you go in:
1. Any shread of support for the UK (in anything), in Latin America would vanish for years. But more devastating, the UK would either:
a) Go in the embassy and be violating CENTURIES of treaties, conventions, and laws protecting diplomatic sanctuaries from the host's countries political/social whims. The UK would join the ranks of places like Iran and Cambodia in dishonoring one of the foundations of international diplomacy, embassy sanctuary and virtual sovereignty. Even Iran didn't send THEIR officers in, they let “out of control hoardes” do the dirty work, they knew otherwise they would have been bombed. I guess the UK could send “students”, but we know they can't. So only sending law enforcement would be an option and that would be a FIRST in world history, and instantly the darkest breach of international law of the post-war era.
b) They could do it the “legal” way and declare Ecuador does not have the right to have an embassy, which in essence means you are denying that country's actual formal status as an independent state. That would immediately render void all treaties, agreements, exchange, and trade between the two countries, and is basically a declaration of war. Which is why it's never been done, since it gives you so little in return, either you keep the peace or you actually do go to war and get something out of it. This “middle” fence is by far the worst choice any country could make diplomatically, and the UK would be the FIRST ever in modern times.
2. You will probably get the likes of Russia and China very embittered and will hurt the UK there.
If you don't go in:
1. You piss off big time your “special relationship” lover the US, that could have very serious repercutions long term, and the UK depends a lot on the US. You'd also massively damage your standing with the Nordic countries for years. And you already have frosty relations with the EU.
ouch!
TTT calm down.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK police are not going to enter the Ecuadorian Embassy and NEVER THREATENED to either.
Trade between Ecuador and the UK is small and insignificant, though the countries have enjoyed a pretty good relationship in recent years. In fact, they are still talking now; today.
This has nothing to do with the US. Assange is wanted for questioning by the Swedish authorities about a serious crime. Assange has exhausted the judicial options in the UK and skipped bail to hide out in a foreign embassy, thus also breaking the law in the UK. (And ensuring a large group of his supporters forfeit the money the put up as bail for him). He will be arrested and sent back to Sweden to face questioning. But not until most of LatAm gets its' knickers in a twist over nothing.
That is all. No need to get over excited.
Where were you the last few weeks? Watching the Olympics?
#8, #13 - conquistador
Aug 20th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pinochet....-bla,bla,bal......
Assange.......bla,bla,bla.....
Malvinas.....bla,bla,bla.....
Dauntless....bla,bla,bla....
armament...bla,bla,bla....
you espeach about everybody !!!!
you continous...bla,bla,bla....argyland for ARGENTINA
who are you??
are you judge?
are you learned?
are you intelligent?
are you magician?
NOT EVEN!!!!!!!! CERTANLY NOT !!!!!!!
you are deceiver !!
you are lying !!
you are genuine slug !!
you are person who suffer from a complex !!!!, BIG COMPLEX !!!!
Remember: LatAm united = british keep quiet !! REMEMBER
Remember: 1, or 5, or 10, or 20, or 50 years = SOUTH AMERICA for latinamericans !!!!!!!! REMEMBER
Remember: british go home !!!!!
REMEMBER: when you speach of ARGENTINA wash your mouth.
you, just now: ...bla, bla, bla......, but I´not answer back !! you are poor man for me.-
Of course, not, I didn't even watch the closing ceremony, which I did want to. doing intensive linguistic studies to bring me to professional oral fluency in three languages, plus regular school. I also need to start planning for my technical. Watch out, it could be done in another country!
Aug 20th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And actually, I have to return to my duties now. Don't take my “hostility” too seriously.
Dont this ALBA lot read a lot into trying to arrest a sex offender..
Aug 20th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 - JUBA
Aug 20th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So now it's South America for Latin Americans only. Does this mean you're going to start another purge of Amerindians?
You seem to have a huge identity crises going. One minute you claim to be a native Amerindian, the next you're a Latin American.
Perhaps you are just a liar with a bad memory who can't remember his previous lies.
As for South America uniting? Why would you do that? None of you trust each other enough to do that.
Oh and in 50 years, 100 years and 200 years and more, the Falkland Islands will either still be British or they will be an Independent country. What they won't ever be is Argentine.
Is that why you're so angry? Because you are so impotent?
@26 FFF
Aug 20th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd love Britain to break off relations with the ecuadorians in power, unworthy for sure of gentlemanly conduct. They're president is getting brownie points out of this, as their mindset is 'how can we get one over on the UK' .
@28 conqueror
When a south american tries to attain the moral high ground with respect to the deeds of empires, you know their schooling is questionable. They all think their history does not predate their declaration of independence.
@15 furryass @4
Your argument is a joke. Pinochet was handled in all respects and at all times, by the constraints of international law. Don't think for one moment that britain is anything other than totally compliant with international law.
leprecon ... you bla,bla, but not speach about Sioux, Apaches and athers northamericans indians. About of yours human right. And?
Aug 20th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to day, indians = latinamericans, brothers americans, AMERICA is race crucible !!!!!
Remember SOUTH AMEICA only for south americans !!!
@32
Aug 20th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What utter shite. There is no legal obligation for any country to host the embassy of a foreign power and the refusal of such has no bearing on a nations status and in no way amounts to an act of war. A foreign embassy exists at the sufferance of the host nation.
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Aug 20th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40
Aug 20th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then why hasn't the UK gone in or close the embassy if there are no legal repercutions? From one account there at least 24 different treaties the UK has signed which protect that embassy from being busted into.
And yes, legally revoking a country's embassy automatically assumes that all other agreements are null and void, since for about, hmmm, 5000 years, the first step of recognition of countries to each other is the establishement of a diplomatic seat. Sorry, UK loses either way here. That's what happens when you try to get in the middle of everything, sometimes you do get run over.
@19 I don't Think aka The Turnip In Chief
Aug 20th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you really 'think' that I am going to take advice from possibly the biggest liar and obfuscator on MercoPress?
I don't think so I don't Think, particularly as you have resided in many countries that most certainly would have been glad to see the back of you if you lied as much there as you do about Argentina.
No, I think I am your nemesis because I don't believe the drivel you spout. I check your little stories out and put the lie to them.
Thankfully you have no influence in Uruguay and the way Pepe is going from only 14 months ago, it does make me wonder if the man is ill.
You however are just beneath contempt.
Sussie us told you before put your knickers back on and relight your crack pipe
Aug 20th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT good for you look me up if you come over here
Juba Keep your SA but the Falklands is for Falklands islanders if you don't like it do something about it or do what you normally do fuckin WHINGE
Another important point is precedent. The UK has many embassies in dodgy neighborhoods in Africa and the Middle east (though none as bad as Buenos Aires, of course).
Aug 20th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the UK pulls out anything funny here you will be putting thousands of your own diplomats and citizens at grave risk in the future.
@ 46 Precedent is a very important point in this whole saga. As I mentioned in another thread, we cannot let suspects of criminal acts abuse the asylum system. Embassies are for political asylum seekers not criminal suspects. Imagine, we would have shop-lifters turning up at the Venezuelan embassy next.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Assange is wanted for extradition to Sweden to be questioned on serious sex crimes. Sweden has a good and well-respected judicial system. If Assange is innocent, as he says, he will be freed.
The UK have not threatened to enter the Embassy of Ecuador. They have promised to arrest Assange when he leaves the building.
TTT do one why would the UK pull out of any embassies over an arguement with Ecuador, we have embassies in much worse places than SA mate and most of the rest of the world doesn't and won't give a tuppeny toss about whats happening with a suspected rapist who sold his main contact and informer down the swanney and a tin pot leader trying to russle up votes for a forthcoming election. They all know about the rhetoric coming from you lot about the Falklands and can't be arsed to A) listen to CFK anymore and B) give a toss and C) can't stop laughing. The thought of countries closing or expelling British consulates is A) ridiculous because it has nowt to do with them and B) a figment of your sorry narrow mind. Ask yourself a serious question you say Africa and the middle east, name one, what have rgenweener done to assist the oppressed in either apart from send half a dozen peacekeepers who do fuck all. Who is the biggest arms supplier to Saudi, Kuwait and the UAE, you'll be telling us Isreal don't like us next. Syrians are begging us and the US to help them as did Libya and Egypt, didn't see them knocking on your door matey unless it was for a consignment of white flags. Dont see any rg ships doing thier share of anti piracy patrols off somalia and nigeria, but bet you'd be the first to kick up shit if one of your merchant ship got hijacked. Probably blame us for not preventing it. Crawl back under your books knowledge is a great thing ...common sense is even better, something you seem to lack.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46
Aug 20th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no need for the UK to enter the Embassy. Either Assange's own ego or the Ecuadoreans will drive him out soon enough.
@49 correct my man, say nothing, don't enter into any talks, silence is a great weapon as i said on another thread, after all whats he going to do, the takeaway Kebab bill will soon be too much for the Ecuadorian embassy
Aug 20th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I sincerely think Sussie and conqueror should meet up for a drink. I havo no doubt in my mind they are perfect for eachother, and should they find joy in eachothers presence... can you guys imagine our luck?
Aug 20th, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there is nothing to talk about.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41
Aug 20th, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whoa! Were did that come from? All I said was that you did overreact to the whole killing of Millions of Argentine's.
@51
You know someone once suggested something similar to that that about John Lennon and Yoko Ono, lets just say the results weren't exactly popular with everyone who loved the Beatles.
ALL IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS FOR THE EUROPEAN UNION AND THE US TO STOP IMPORTING BANANAS, FLOWERS AND CULTIVATED SHRIMP FROM ECUADOR AND I WONDER HOW MUCH LONGER ASSANGE WILL BE ENJOYING ECUADORIAN HOSPITALITY. THE ECONOMY OF ECUADOR DEPENDS ON THESE EXPORTS FOR ITS MODEST PROSPERITY.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 054
Aug 20th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would indeed put Ecuador in Mercosur in a hurry! I vote for your solution ;)
@39 - JUBA
Aug 20th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was your people who massacred the South Amerindians, not mine, you know those evil imperialistic Spanish colonists.
You always seem angry. But the Falklands will never be Argentine. They will be speaking English, driving on the left side of the road, and enjoying their unique way of life long after Argentina has been bankrupted by your own government.
And the reason you are so angry is because you know it's the truth, and you know that there isn't a thing that Argentina can do about it.
Next year the Islanders, who have been on the Falklands since before Argentina was a country, will tell the world what they want.
Once that has happened Argentina's dream of stealing land that doesn't belong to them is over.
The UN will recognise the result. The Falkland Islands Government will petition the UN to remove them from the C24 list, and to remove the word Malvinas from all international documentation.
And Argentina will cry and play the victim. But your country has played that card once too often and no one in the world will care.
The Falklanders will continue with a very prosperous future, and may decide to become an independent country in the future.
But the point is they will never be Argentine.
Regarding the actual story though. This is nothing to do with Unasur, and the UK never ceased to be willing to talk. That was Correa, the man who supports rapists.
I love how some are stating this will destroy relations between the UK and SA LOL.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ecuador is an unimportant country to even the SA region and if you think the treacherous infighting SA countries are going to make a stand, I'd suggest you stop drinking.
Whilst Ecuador isolating itself by harboring a fugitive of several countries the UK will continue as ever unaffected regardless of pointless unasur council meetings where the leading country has an axe to grind against the UK.
And meanwhile Ecuador is the only country that will get diplomatically punished by making an enemy of the UK/EU/Sweden and the US who clearly would like justice whilst Assange rots away in his little building.
Whilst the UK continues to follow domestic and international law.
So tell me, who does this hurt?
#56 leprecon you said: “it was your pe ople who massacred the South America, not min...........evil imperialistic Spanish colonialist” and no said about Sioux, Apaches and others indians massacred for english imperialistc colonialist in north america.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you said: ”The falklanders (remember english named KELPERS and new BENNYS - 2nd citycen, later 1982 falklander for the oil) will continue with a very prospeurous future“ = emigrate
you said: The falkland island government will petition the Un ..... and remove the word MALVINAS fron all international documentation” dreams, dreams. Remember you: 1 or 2 or 5 or 10 or 20 or 50 year, british go home. Remember in LatAm no british. South America united in future. In addition remember Hong-Cong, in future Irlanda.
@56
Aug 20th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here, here!
”and recalled ”the principle of international law, by which the UK cannot hold to domestic law in order not to abide by an obligation of international law”.
Aug 20th, 2012 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can anyone in Argentina (gov or otherwise) read!
I might be meddling as I'm from neither of those, but I think you should tell that to Mr Hague, he seems to be under the impression he can enter the embassy at will... ;)
Aug 20th, 2012 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 061 Guzz
Aug 20th, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British never said that (never let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh).
They said the diplomatic status of the building can be removed, then they are not entering an Embassy, are they!
Every country reserves the right to do this, all diplomatic status is by consent of the host country, no different in S. America.
Colonialism! This is not about what ECUADORIANS do in SOUTH AMERICA, it’s about what ECUADORIANS do in LONDON.
Hahahahaha!!!
Aug 21st, 2012 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Colonialist Ecuador!!! Aaaaaaahahahaha!!!
That's marvelous!! Cheers *let me check whom it is this time* Yes, Pugol...
Cheers for granting me a smile
Colonialist Ecuador, shame on them :)
Can’t understand what you’re saying, take the hot potato out of your Danish mouth!
Aug 21st, 2012 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a Swedish insult for Danes, but you wouldn’t know that being Uruguayan.
Potatisar or kartofler? The danes say the swedes drink too much on Nyhavn...
Aug 21st, 2012 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0@63
Aug 21st, 2012 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well technically Mr Guzz, Ecuador is a colonialist country as it was founded by Spanish speaking migrants and other Europeans who came from the continent of Europe to South America and took land from the native indigenous who were mostly displaced or exterminated. Were do you think we get the term Latin America from? Do you think its American in origin? Eh no...
So yeah I guess Ecuador is a colonialist country as it is a Spanish Speaking European originated country in the wrong continent to possibly 'indigenous', much like the US, Canada, Argentina, Cuba even your beloved Uruguay.....hell everyone country in the America's for that matter.
Conor
Aug 21st, 2012 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0But I thought it had been Latin America forever... Actually, wasn't Amerigo Vespucci named after America? By the way, you are confusing colonialist for a colony...
@67
Aug 21st, 2012 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Er no, its called Latin America as a result of the original Spanish settlers who's language along with Italian and French is the closest to the original Latin as possible, amongst other things. That distinguishes South America from those who speak English in North America which is a language of Germanic origin. Oh and by the way Colony or not, Ecuador is still a country that is the product of colonialism and so any colonially created country or its inhabitants that complain about colonisation are as hypocritical as a rapist speaking out against sexual abuse, its pathetic, aragont and so hypocritical that someone should be given a slap in the face about it.
Conor
Aug 21st, 2012 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aaaah, so it's called America because of the.... Spanish settlers?
And what you say about NA makes sense, French being a Germanic language and all...
Why din't spend a few weeks on a school bench? For your own sake I mean...
@69
Aug 21st, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0School Bench? What are you on about? I'am afraid I don't know why the America's are called the America's but I do know that South AMerica is called what it is as a result of the Latin oriented languages in use down there; Spanish, Portuguese, French etc. French of course is only used by 10 million people plus in NA compared to the 400 million plus English speaker's.
That's the difference between you and me, I do know.
Aug 21st, 2012 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's called America after Amerigo Vespucci, italian seafarer. The feminine form of his Latin name Americus, is America.
South America is called SA because of geografical reasons, as in being to the south of (accidentally), north America. Latin America is all the countries in America with Latin origined languages, except Canada.
Now you know too :)
@71
Aug 21st, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah...... I already knew that I'm not an idiot Mr Guzz, but Im glad that you finally admit that you Americans are the product of European colonialism and as a result you lot can't complain about said colonialism.
@71 Guzz
Aug 21st, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't want to burst your bubble too much but there is a competing claim that Cabot's sponsor (Daffydd ap Meric/ David Merrick) was responsible. This link from the Guardian (must be true then ;-) )
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-19314,00.html
I'm not taking a position on this one!
Enjoy!
@47
Aug 21st, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have a point, but think of this: what if one day a British woman is accused of “seducing” men in the streets of Ryad, that's a severe crime there. What if she seeks shelter in the UK embassy. The saudis, if they did go and grab Assange, could use the same excuse (it's a crime), to go in and grab the woman.
It is very dangerous because then a “crime” is a very different concept all over the world, but diplomatic safeguards are more universal. To trade what 99% of the world respect (embassy immunity), for the whims of local laws is extremely dangerous, not least for your own citizens.
@48
who said anyone would close any UK embassies? I said it's never been done by anyone because it is a utterly daft move. If Hague did do that to the Ecuadorians he would go down in history as an imbecile.
“It is very dangerous because then a “crime” is a very different concept all over the world”
Aug 21st, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed. Not in the EU though. What he did in Sweden would be illegal just as much in the UK as it was pointed out in court.
“for the whims of local laws is extremely ”
He broke local(EU) laws in a local(EU) country.
Ecuador who is not an EU nation has got involved in EU law.
Today even Hugo gets in on the act,
Aug 21st, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So now we have two South American countries threatening dire consequences if Britain attacks the sovereignty of another nation’s embassy,
And also warned that dire consequences will befall British embassies around the world,
Great Britain has threatened no one, even today, the British government, in the face of threats and abuse, stays quite,
Britain says nothing,
But the threats and abuse still rain down on us, and its not finished yet, the might south Americans are meeting very soon, to punish the British,
But we just stay calm, and very quiet,
Perhaps you should ask your selves [why]
”Assange is actually in the pay of the US government. His job is it undermine the credibility of wikileaks, whilst at the same time taking down the government of Ecuador. If he's successful there he'll move on to Venezula and then the rest of South America.
Aug 21st, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He has (allegedly) been paid a 6 figure sum to do this and been granted immunity from prosecution.”
This is the latest conspiracy theory.
I'm posting it on every thread just to annoy Guzz. :0D
Bolivarian alliance of our Americas (ALBA in spanish) lol
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