MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Company confirms abundant gas condensate in south Falklands and prepares new drilling program
Shares in Borders and Southern soared almost 20% on Thursday as the company revealed positive findings from the analysis of condensate fluids from its Darwin discovery well in the south of the Falkland Islands where it plans to continue appraisal drilling in 2014. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHappy days are here again...soon the FIG will have more money than the whole Argentine economy, and plans to develop the Falklands into a major traing centre and tourist destination.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But wait, is that the noise of a law suit wending its way from BA? Is it the sound of Argentina and Venezula drilling? Nope, it's just impotent silence. JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!
I think there's a supply of nails going cheap, extracted from an apparently unneeded coffin.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 -Dove
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh the coffin is needed. Eventually the Argentine people will wake up and smell the coffee. Then they'll want to bury CFK, it old be a pity to let a perfectly good coffin go to waste. :0)
This latest announcement shows how silly the Argentine government has been. They could have shared these discoveries if they had cooperated with the Falklands Government and been friendly.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All that will happen now is that more and more international oil & gas companies will join the exploration and production of these fields. With oil and gas on offer and the possibility of greater reserves than the North Sea, every major international oil company in the world will be salivating at the prospect of lots of new discoveries.
When they start rationing oil in Argentina, then it will dawn on the Argentine people that their government made a bad, very bad decision.
@4 I'm no expert but wasn't the sticking point about exploration cooperation that it related to a prescribed area where the two EEZs meet and not the areas where the UK based companies chose (and paid FIG for the right) to explore? There may or may not be prospective hydrocarbons in that “border” area but no company had any interest in working with the Commission set up to manage the area - a bureaucratic high risk potential nightmare. So with nothing happening in the shared area and FIG granting rights elsewhere, Argentina's national socialist Government could see it had been outflanked by FIG, UK and capitalism. In my view, which is personal and may well be wrong, Argentinians see this as perfidious Albion up to it's usual tricks, practising one of the newer forms of colonialism.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if the Argentines could not have shared in the Falklands zone, if they had been friendly they might have benefitted from processing oil in Argentina and getting revenue from services, shipping in their ports etc. they will have had an economic spin off as the UK has. But Argentina declined and their arsy attitude has lost them any financial benefit at all.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#5 “it had been outflanked by FIG, UK and capitalism”
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Note to the Falklanders who read this blog, these aren't good associations to have in the world, especially your part of it
@6 Rather glosses over the Argentinian claim to sovereignty that made a confidence and security building cooperation zone so appropriate.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 National socialism has some pretty unsavoury worldwide connotations too and is undoubtedly more to be avoided than associations with FIG, UK and capitalism.
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Aug 23rd, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Been drinking again Sussie you plonker?
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Happy days indeed the people of the prosperous Falkland's Island's just got a whole lot more prosperous.
More good news for the people of the Falklands and more bad news for the silly Argentine government.
Nice, the impotent howls of rage from BA is likely to be deafening. I bet the Argentinians are pleased by their decision to pull out of the joint venture deal they had before.
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Aug 24th, 2012 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, I wonder how much that canceled agreement will end up costing Argentina...
Aug 24th, 2012 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...under the agreement, Britain would obtain 66.6 percent of earnings on any oil or gas discovered in waters to the east of the Falklands, and that Argentina would receive 33.3 percent of the remaining earnings.
The newspaper said Argentina and Britain would equally divide any earnings on oil and gas discovered in waters to the west of the Falklands. Licenses to exploit waters to the east would be granted by Britain, the paper said, and licenses to exploit waters to the west would be awarded by a joint commission.”
Looks more and more like it was a real stoke of genius to shred that deal for a few, not so cheap anymore, political points.
El Thicko should be along soon to let us know that B&S shares are down 2p on the day.......
Aug 24th, 2012 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0#8 Of course. I just don't think Argentina, with a Jewish foreign ministeretc, is national socialist
Aug 24th, 2012 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10 zisco
Aug 24th, 2012 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Accept the facts, no money, no class, keep the islands in your ARSE
lol
There are none so blind as those who will not see. Nails or no nails.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Re 13 CJvR
Aug 24th, 2012 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0When will you people get it into your heads that the resources in Falkland waters are OWNED by The Falkland Islands Govt.
Exploration is licenced by The Falkland Islancds Govt
Revenues will accrue to The Falkland Islands Govt.
Well at least it should be good news for KFC's low blood pressure problem :-)
Aug 24th, 2012 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@18 I wonder if it wouldn't be more accurate to say that the resources are owned by the Crown in right of the Falkland Islands? FIG manages access to those resources on behalf of the Crown. Objections to the way FIG goes about that business in this or any other regard could end up with a recommendation from the Privy Council to the Monarch by way of resolution.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0This might seem pedantic but, as a UK resident, citizen, subject and recipient of a Crown pension, I wouldn't want the Falkland Islanders to think that they have sovereignty over the islands. Her Majesty does and she, her heirs and successors might one day need the oil money to pay my or Mrs DoD's pension.
@20 - dover
Aug 24th, 2012 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some of what you say is technically true, but the profits will be the Falklanders to do with as they wish.
The UK government may ask for the FIG to start contributing to the costs of keeping the military on the Islands, but that is about it. Many Falklanders have, in the past, stated that they would happily pay to keep the UK military there, so it wouldn't be a problem.
Is there anyone from the Legislative Assembly who can clarify this, because I believe both dover and I are guessing.
Even when the oil starts to come ashore and the FIG sells it to us at favouable rates, you can “bet the farm” as our yank friends say, that the benefits will not be passed on to us, the consumer, at the pumps.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16 - Where are these facts? Oh thats right they don't exist plonker except for in your very small brain!
Aug 24th, 2012 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have fun living in fantasy land!
@16 Our arse still smells sweeter than your breath. Pour yourself another glass of meths and chill.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21 I'd welcome an opinion from the South Atlantic FCO Desk Officer, the First Secretary at Govt House or even the FIG Chief Executive as well as one from an elected representative.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@25 - Dover,
Aug 24th, 2012 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I think it would be interesting to hear from someone who will certainly have far more knowledge than me on this subject.
@26 Not much chance of a comment from someone so let's fall back on the Constitution which Her Majesty, in exercise of the powers conferred upon Her by the British Settlements Acts 1887 and 1945(1) and of all other powers enabling Her to do so, was pleased, by and with the advice of Her Privy Council, to order. I've selected only two extracts but that's enough to identify that whatever is done is done in the name of the Crown.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Executive authority56.—(1) The executive authority of the Falkland Islands is vested in Her Majesty.
(2) Subject to this Constitution, the executive authority of the Falkland Islands shall be exercised on behalf of Her Majesty by the Governor, either directly or through officers subordinate to him or her.
and:
There is reserved to Her Majesty full power to make laws for the peace, order and good government of the Falkland Islands including, without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, laws amending this Order or the Schedule.
So, perhaps some of our fellow posters might apply some moderation to their assertions when it comes to who owns what in those places were Crown writ runs.
“Under licences signed by the oil companies, all proceeds from the oil will flow to the Falkland Islands Government”.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hope that helps.
More fantastic news in the “pipeline” so to speak.
.... which, as I have been at some pains to point out, is the agent of the Crown not the Government of the United Kingdom. There is nothing in that statement that prevents an onward flow of funding once the financial advantage outweighs the political advantage with regard to perception of legitimacy in the eyes of the non-partisan observer. So bring on that news.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where is “chuckle chuckle” Think?
Aug 24th, 2012 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0This would be hurting his ego badly.
Oh well, he can always go back to turnip farming.
l heard that he's quite good at it. lol♥
As confirmed by Gavin Short, chairman of the islands' legislative assembly and wait for it........ the British Foreign Office.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess it is possible the British Govt may request additional monies for what will likely be an increased defence posture but do you have any specific precedents you would like to share with us.
Right BK and what is “that part of the world” going to do about it. I know, shag all :)
Aug 24th, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you telling me someone who is Jewish cannot be a National Socialist? How do you explain the Israeli gvt?
@31 After a long career in the MOD and OGD I've formed my own opinion of what the FCO says. It is always open to more than one interpretation. That is diplomacy. As for politicians....
Aug 24th, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can't have any precedents in the FI for the obvious reason that the revenue isn't flowing in fast enough yet but if you can broaden your geographical and historical focus history is awash with precedent relating to the Empire.
Closer to home and today, take a look at the Manx Common Purse and it's contributions. Also at Jersey and Guernsey. These contributions don't just cover defence and they are influenced by the ability to pay for “services available and provided”. That includes a contribution to fixed costs to. As the oil money flows into FIG expect the pressure for a voluntary contribution to the Crown's providing agencies.
All this once the politics and the funding flow have been secured.
As a Falkland Islander and ex elected member of The Legislature I have always said that nothing would please me more than to be able to look the British public in the face and say that we are glad that we are not costing you a penny. Until the oil money flows we will be have to rely on the great British public (bless them!) to protect us from the greedy colonialist Argentines. My own personal dream would be for us to have our own “Royal Falkland Island Ghurka Regiment” - not least because all Falkland Islanders loved them when they were there after the war - and beacuse the Argies were shit scared of them!
Aug 24th, 2012 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Add to that our own Squadron of Typhoon DEFENCE fighters and we would be pretty safe. We could offer training facilities for fighter pilots at MPA as a contribution.
Just a quick heads up, the FIDF are recruiting and will be holding a briefing on the 3rd september be quick as there are a limited number of places and We have been over subsribed before.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Catch the recruitment video on You Tube search “Falkland Island Defence Force” latest listing tab.
Company confirms abundant gas condensate in south Falklands and prepares new drilling program
Aug 24th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
It seem the cameron cronies want to make more money out of thin air.They should give them the nobel prize for crookedness....
#20,#21 et al.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The piece of the Constitution that matters is section 1(a) which says “all peoples have the right to self-determination and by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural developmentand may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources...........”.
It is this clause that confirms that the natural resources of the Falkland Islands belongs to the Government and people of the Falkland Islands. Colonial sequestration is not an option.
I understood that the FIG in 1996/1997 wrote it into their constitution that if the Islands were to find oil in sufficient quantitiesthat they would pay back the Britsh Government every penny it cost to recover the Falkland Islands in 1982, the subsequent defence cost,s and any further costs.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0If that were the fact I think that is uneccesary unless LibyaAfghanistan, Irag, Sierra Leone and any country the Uk has intervened to help, also reimburse costs.
Let's not forget the money the Falkland Islanders raised for the Uk in the Second World war and the Islanders who served in the UK armed forces and died in two world wars.
I am sure the islanders will contribute more to UK defence costs as they make more money, but the oil money will needed for them to develop more economic ventures to ensure future prosperity.
It is important to note that unlike several South American countries, the Falkland Islands do not recieve aid from the UK and fund their own development. This funding is necessary as the UK neglected the Falkland Islands for many years but 1982 woke the UK government and the 'Foreigners Office' up.
And stating the' bleedin obvious', if Argentina were not belligerent and a trustworthy country, the defence expenditure on the Falklands would be uneccesary.
It is wholly the Argentines fault that the UK military are in/around the Islands.
Their bad.
@38 - Pete Bog
Aug 24th, 2012 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good post I agree.
There is no need for the Falkland Islands to cover the costs of the 1982 liberation, as that is the remit of the UK Armed Forces, to protect British Citizens and British interests around the world.
Maybe 1982 was costly in lives and in monetary terms, but I have not yet met one Falklands veteran who didn't believe the whole thing was worth it went they saw the looks of relief and gratitude on the faces of the Islanders who were liberated. Certainly the British taxpayers of the time expected nothing less from the British government and the Armed Forces.
After all, protecting the lives and property of British civilians is the reason the British Armed Forces exist, is it not?
As for any oil revenue. I believe it belongs to the islanders. Whether the FIG want to contribute to the costs of defending the Falklands, is up to them, but as I believe that it is a matter of honour to them, I'm sure they'll willing contribute.
@4 But aren't we glad that the argie government was “silly”. Now the Falkland Islanders can have it all!
Aug 24th, 2012 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Note to the Falklanders who read this blog: This is called a desperate lie. Have we (Britain) ever let you down? I mean really let you down? When you needed us, we were there. It's the way it will stay! And, as an aside, CFK's “support” is starting to fall away. And the whole of LatAm can't match the UK. Just remember that, in '82, we sent 5% of our forces. Just 5%!
@15 You mean that you don't think!
@27 I am a true Briton “but, as a UK resident, citizen, subject and recipient of a Crown pension” the Falkland Islanders are welcome to it all. You might remember that HM Government is “an agent of the Crown”. I understand the technicalities etc. but what “services”, apart from the military, does “the Crown” provide to the Islanders? Look at it this way. When you, unwillingly, force your hard-earned 50p into the parking meter, what part of it does HM Government get? The Falklanders have said, more than once, that when they have the money they are more than willing to fund the British military presence. That's fine. But we should also remember that our forces conduct training and manoeuvres on their land. Land that they have hung on to, tooth and nail, for over 200 years. If we used such land elsewhere on the globe, we would have to pay for it. So let's have a nice, amicable agreement as between British people. They get the revenues, they pay for the military, less a suitable amount for use of their land, and I'm more than happy.
@33 The FCO are not to be trusted. Their, or perhaps it's, policy has always been: Foreigners first.
@34 Gurkhas - lovely vicious people. But Typhoons are expensive. Might be better to stick with catapults until the argies come up with something worth calling an air “force”.
@36 Accurate description of an argie: Powerful legs, no dick, shaking limbs, drooling mouth and green eyes. Oh, and a white flag that “can” have a red cross!
20 Doveoverdover
Aug 24th, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Her Majesty does and she, her heirs and successors might one day need the oil money to pay my or Mrs DoD's pension.”
Firstly, Her Majesty does not have any fiscal responsibility to the UK Govt. Secondly, Her Majesty pays taxes TO the govt.
AND, do you really, really think that if any future UK govt. managed to get their hands on the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas) oil revenues that they would use it to pay your pensions????
I am a Brit, retired to Uruguay and the one thing I have learnt in my 66 years is this: NEVER, EVER, TRUST ANY UK GOVT.
The cnut Brown did for 48% of my net worth, and that in just six years.
33
Aug 24th, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So some indication from the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man but nothing specific and nothing specific to the Falklands Islands.
I note your assessment of the MOD and FO. Just doesn't sound much like the pleasant old duffers who run the British MOD and FO today.
@41 Constitutional niceties such as there being a distinction between the person and the office are difficult concepts. This one certainly stopped me getting an A grade in my Modern History O level. Good to see I'm not the only one who doesn't understand it.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm happy just to get the pension wherever the cash comes from. That's just as well because my payment slip doesn't tell me where the money actually comes from each month. Oh and as long as they go on ffunding the NHS as well.
@34 Bill
Aug 24th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Couldn't agree more, I would love for us to be paying for our own defence rather than England footing the bill.
@44 - Benson
Aug 24th, 2012 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hate to be pedantic but England doesn't foot the bill, the United Kingdom foots the bill, that includes the Welsh, Scots and Irish as well as the English.
Leprecom pelotudo we have a nice news too you know asshole:http://www.infobae.com/notas/666589-YPF-y-Chevron-avanzan-hacia-un-acuerdo-estrategico-petrolero.html
Aug 24th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and thats f...n' islands are our, you like or not you know ilegal okupa!:http://www.infobae.com/notas/666589-YPF-y-Chevron-avanzan-hacia-un-acuerdo-estrategico-petrolero.html greetings!!!!!!!!
34 - 44 -45
Aug 24th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I did very carefully use the word BRITISH!
46
Aug 24th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree the “dead cow” is a good prospect.
Bet Repsol are delighted for you.
@46 From your first link, I particularly liked this bit:
Aug 24th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The writing indicates Moshiri showed interest in allying with YPF in the draft of a non-conventional gas cluster that the Argentine oil company plans to develop at the site of dead cow.” “Dead cows, eh?
And your second link. Wow! Gaucho Rivero. The murderer. ”In August 1833, under the leadership of Antonio Rivero, a gang of Creole and Indian gauchos ran amok in the settlement. Armed with muskets obtained from American sealers, the gang killed five members of Vernet's settlement including both Dickson and Brisbane.“ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Rivero
Such lovely ”heroes“ you have! Shall I mention that the survivors of Rivero's massacre fled to nearby Peat Island. Rivero was of course captured by Lieutenant Henry Smith of HMS Challenger and sent for trial in London where he should have been hanged. However, legal complexities at the time meant that he had to be released and sent to Rio de Janeiro. I am not surprised that you have a common murderer as a hero. Let's look at another argie ”hero“.
”Julio Argentino Roca, in contrast to Alsina, believed that the only solution against the Indian threat was to extinguish, subdue or expel them.
Our self-respect as a virile people obliges us to put down as soon as possible, by reason or by force, this handful of savages who destroy our wealth and prevent us from definitely occupying, in the name of law, progress and our own security, the richest and most fertile lands of the Republic.
—Julio Argentino Roca,“
And thus to genocide. Lovely history you have. So on the basis that ”he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword“, you won't mind what we do, will you?
Should you consider even looking at our Islands, remember that we are quite happy ”to do unto you as you have done unto others. And you should also remember that the Islands were ours from at least 1765. So you know where you can shove your “claim”, don't you?
I'm American and I speak as I like!!!ok papi!!!?
Aug 24th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Fartbury You may not speak de inglish too well but we getta da message
Aug 24th, 2012 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Conqueror I have something to shove to your sister you know! malvinas argentinas!!!! you are Argentine,you know, because you born in our land you like or not!!!
Aug 24th, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Greetings and luck!!
@46 - gustbury
Aug 24th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina hasn't got the money to drill on shore let alone off shore. But never mind one of your friends will invest in YPF for you.
China - no
Iran - no
Syria - no
Angola - no
Venezula - yes, but we haven't got any money either.
Hmm, it's going to be difficult to drill for oil with no investors, no equipment and no specialists.
In the meantime, the true owners of the Falkland Islands, are celebrating the numerous investors in their gas and oil companies, and will soon be reaping the profits of the oil and gas revenues.
Argentina will still be crying and broke. Awww.
Maybe you should stamp your foot? Poor impotent gustbury.
Doveoverdover
Aug 24th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”In other OGDs wasn't CT was it?
Malvinas: Chinese help for squid
Aug 24th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ambito.com/diario/noticia.asp?id=651309
Cristina claimed the Malvinas sovereignty claim over a tribute to Gaucho Rivero
http://www.ambito.com/diario/noticia.asp?id=651309
The strongest phrases Cristina Kirchner's speech in defense of La Campora
http://www.ambito.com/diario/noticia.asp?id=651309
CFK: “We defend what belongs to everyone”
http://www.ambito.com/diario/noticia.asp?id=651309
(5) Cmd McDod…..
Aug 24th, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I luuuuv the humble, composed and British way in which you explain difficult concepts like truth and reality to the perfidious Albion Turnips….
I would suggest you to reread your books about modern history, specifically those about the doctrinarian bases of National Socialism….
Evidently you remember very little about the subject….
I hope you shorted today on our shared BOR treasure. I can see that the “Excellent News” have reduced our paper loss from 77% (we bought in at ~90P if memory serves me right) to a mere 65% :-)
@56 Think
Aug 24th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find that we in the UK know rather too much about one form of National Socialism (actually I'm not sure that there is any other - it is just a question of degree) - particularly when the Channel Islands were occupied.
You can understand when we get kinda touchy about our islands being illegally occupied.
@54 Yes and DIFD too.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56 If I said I had written “national socialism” (i.e. socialism in one very particular nation as opposed to international socialism) not National Socialism would that save me re-reading my history text books? You old blue collar poor as a church mouse international socialist you.
@56 Oh and Stebbing analysis and a Farm Out to come. I'm holding on for both of us.
58) Cs McDod
Aug 25th, 2012 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
If I said I had written “national socialism” ….., not National Socialism would that save me re-reading my history text books?
I say:
No, it wouldn’t………………
The “pretty unsavory worldwide connotations” your choice of the words “National Socialism” causes on lesser intelligent Turnips wouldn’t be diminished by the use of lower case instead of capitals.
A pity that, even you Brutus, succumb to the nihilistic facilism of an Argumentum ad Hitlerum.
@ 59 Does that mean you're reclassifying me as a Turnip?
Aug 25th, 2012 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Young One......
Aug 25th, 2012 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Deep inside in all of us, there is a Turnip....
Main thing is how we fight it...
Keep fighting ;-)
Then I shall change my screen name to Viscount Townshend, but only on the next rotation of course.
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Aug 25th, 2012 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@63 Pesky people those royal messengers - always turning up at the most intimate of moments and capturing the awful moment for posterity. Just as well the camera hadn't been invented {eh? Capt Wales AAC}. If only VT had kept his passion for his turnips and Harry had stayed in his play clothes.
Aug 25th, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@63 think
Aug 25th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0What have your comments to do with one of the companies the Falkland Islands have sold licenses to confiming that they have found huge amounts of gas condensate?
Keep to the topic or don't post.
If Meropress report about Prince Harry then fill your boots, but until then keep to the topic.
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Aug 25th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0@66 - think
Aug 25th, 2012 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't it great news for the Falkland Islanders. Soon they'll be richer than Argentina, and one step nearer to becoming completely indepentent from the UK, if they wish to of course.
Tell me Think, just what do you hope to achieve by your pathetic attempts to divert this thread?
FALKLANDS = RICH through good leadership and management of natural resources.
ARGENTINA = POOR due to bad corrupt leadership and mismanagement of natural resources.
Shame that.
@67 I'm as much if not more to blame on this occasion. Speaking for myself, I'm brighting up my miserably wet Bank Holiday weekend exchanging badinage with a mildly eccentric character who may or may not be what he says he is.
Aug 25th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your encouragement to get us back on track gives me a welcome opportunity to restate my personal view that independence is not an option for the Falkland Islands no matter what anyone says about their right to self determination. The only self determination that matters in this case is that of the British People under the Crown. There is too much at stake for the future of this, the first -industrial, country to be giving up its remaining Overseas Territories voluntarily. The success of B&S et al confirm this for me at least.
@66 Thanks for not “dobbing” me (as my sons would have said when they were younger.
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Aug 25th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 067 LEPRecon
Aug 25th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes it is wonderful news for us and may I say that FIG are doing a great job keeping the reins tight until they are absolutely sure about the new income streams. It is causing frustration in many sectors at present but I for one fully support their strategy. Keep it tight until we are 100% certain and then spend wisely with the future in mind.
As for being independent from the UK. I'm not sure how far off that is. My guess is a long way. I don't wish to be independent in the symbolic sense but I can't wait for the day when we are no longer any sort of financial burden on the UK. In fact I can't wait for the day when we can contribute something back into the UK economy.
What do other Falkland Islanders think? Mind you, I wouldn't be surprised if nobody responded. I can't remember the last time I had a chat with someone in the West Store of Chandlery about Mercopress. It seems hardly anyone takes much notice of it any more. A few months ago it was a pretty common (not huge) topic but not any more.
@50 Actually, you're a dago turd. Never mind, keep trying. One day you may reach the level of a chimp!
Aug 25th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52 Strange. I was born in England, the best place in the world. I don't have a sister, so that one passed me by. You really must learn to stop dragging your ass, where you keep your “brain”, along the ground! Still, I guess you faggots do what you have to do!
(68) Cs McDod & (69) Cher lsolde
Aug 25th, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Article says:
”The Company estimates the recoverable volume of gas condensate to be 130 to 250 million barrels with a mid case of 190 million barrels”
I say:
Has any of you, my worthy adversaries, (by the way, Isolde, I luuuuv your steadfastness on the Assange case) been following the development of the World Gas Scene during the last three years?
The USA is literally swiming in natural gas and the prices have already fallen dramatically.
The People’s Republic of China is, acording to every serious geologist, the second most rich gas area in the world….
And guess what….. The same geologists say that Argentina ranks third.
Then comes Australia……….. and Europe.
Locally available, cheap and abundant gas deposits nearly everywhere.
Malvinas gas production on 5, 10 or 15 years is, therefore, a non starter from day one….
http://www.economist.com/node/21556249
http://www.economist.com/node/21556249
And hundreds and hundreds more links I’ll leave for you to find.
Have a nice weekend
El Think.
@72 - Think
Aug 25th, 2012 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah finally you stick to the subject, even though your desperation to prove your past claims of the Falklands potential being nothing, is blatantly obvious.
The Falkland Islanders will become very rich in the not too distant future, and your frustration and jealousy of that is evident in all your posts, and all your desperate attempts to distract people from the subject.
By the way, why do you Argentinians keep blabbing on about the Maldives? They're not yours, never have been and never will be.
Oil is Oil. 5 too 10 years is nothing!
Aug 25th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 072 Think
Aug 25th, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting article.
(75) Marcos Alejandro
Aug 25th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yuppppp..................
That's one of the upsides of the “Malvinas Issue” debate.
One can always learn a few new things........
I myself didn't know about this “Shale Gas thingy's” magnitude or the high speed at which it is already running......
A revolution they call it in good ol' backwards Scandinavia......
http://www.dr.dk/TV/se/horisont/horisont-15#!/
Thirty years ago, this was an island of people going about their daily lives
Aug 25th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.
Irrespective of the how or why a war .came to be fought there, it happened.
Today, those same peoples lives have changed out of all proportion, Ask any Islander who lived through those times, if they thought had the slightest idea that they would be where they would be where they are today.
Whilst you are at it, ask them, if they had been left alone, would they still be happy to live the lives they had before.
@76 When I was looking into our joint investment I wondered about the difference between natural gas and gas condensate. I think I now understand that there is a difference, though my Chemistry O level ill equips me to grasp exactly what it is. Perhaps it would benefit us both to use a little bit of time this weekend to gain a better understanding of the difference. We too might be potentially rich, though as you are a socialist I know you will then give it away to those less perceptive/fortunate than you and I.
Aug 25th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Irrespective of the how or why a war .came to be fought there, it happened.
Aug 25th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today, those same peoples lives have changed out of all proportion, Ask any Islander who lived through those times, if they thought had the slightest idea that they would be where they would be where they are today.
Too bad that a bankrupt country with 3 million unemployed is footing the bill...
AMlvinas=Artificial...idiots brits,nothing they can do WITHOUT Argentina support...BTW,uk will be EXCLUDED from the huge oil and gas deposits in Argentina...figure it out dummies
@79 When you say UK will be excluded do you mean BP, Premier and other “British” companies, i.e. those quoted on the London Stock Exchange? The last time I checked we, the UK that is, didn't have a state owned oil or gas company so we seem to have excluded ourselves on the basis of non-socialist principle. As a UK individual I already have shares in non-Argentinian companies engaging in exploration in that fair country (even if Dead Cow is a bit off putting). International capitalism takes little notice of national limits and exclusions.
Aug 25th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(78) Cs McDod
Aug 25th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I did wonder about the difference between natural gas and gas condensate too.........
But I didn’t procrastinate…………
After a couple of minutes of “intense and meticulous research” some months ago, I learned most of the differences.......................
I can tell you that we are not getting rich on BOR’s Malvinas gas….....
'Not potentially nor otherwise…........
@81 A rare man of both words and action late in life. I find after a life of action I'm happy to limit myself mainly to thoughts. It all balances out in the end. On the substance of your comment we can agree. No honestly. Firstly its only £50 for you in our joint venture - I know things are going downhill rapidly with the old peso but it's not going to make you rich and you would be true to your socialist principles anyway. Secondly it's not Malvina's gas it's Her Majesty's. I don't even know who this Malvina woman is - your Costa Rican lawyer lay perhaps?
Aug 25th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(82) Hmmmmm….
Aug 25th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Someone has learned how to use MercoPress’s “Archive” function
My Tica friend.........
Jupp..., I did mention her a couple of times in here.
Please notice that I wrote: ”WE are not getting rich on BOR’s gas”
As you so rightlypoint above, 50% of my asseveration is 100% correct due to insuficient start capital.
The remaining 50% is, Ceteris Paribus, almost certainly correct too due to the market forces.
@83 The only archive I draw on is my memory, which is just as well judging by how many of your inputs are deleted by the editors these days. Remember, we're not friends but it doesn't stop me claiming to be your greatest fan - I hang on your ever input, encourage you when you're standards are slipping and never ever dobb you to the editor - no matter how much Latin you use or offence you cause.
Aug 25th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way - What is Cs?
“Civil servant” :-)
Aug 25th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you and goodnight....
Aug 25th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79 - Maldives
Aug 25th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's check facts shall we?
UK
Unemployment - 8.6% of the population
Credit rating - AAA+
Argentina
Unemployment - 15.6% of the population
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=avYHzzmn4lJA&refer=latin_america
Credit rating - B-
That means, Maldives, that the UK is more financially sound than Argentina, and have a smaller percentage of the population out of work.
Not that it really matters, because the gas and oil is being drilled by private firms who are footing the bill.
These company's by the rights to drill in the Falklands EEZ, and then when they strike black gold, or gas condensate, and begin pumping it up, they pay revenue to the Falklands, and get to make huge profits for themselves. So everyone's a winner.
Don't worry, Maldives. The UK spends less than 3% of our overall defence budget defending the Falklands from Argentine aggression, and that seems more than enough to keep your 'brave' navy (who are very good at running away and hiding), your much braver airforce (the only branch of your armed forces that didn't embarrass itself or your country), and you huge unwieldy, poorly equipped army (who are also very good at running away, and were unused to facing people who can fight back) at bay.
In fact your government thinks its so unfair that they embarrassed themselves in front of the UN, and then your defence minister tells the world that if the British forces were not on the Falklands, you 'let's just give peace a chance' Argentinians would just seize them by force.
But never mind, the Falklanders will one day be so rich that they could develop their own Falkland Islands Defence Force into something that would make the Argentinian government cry about it to the UN. “It's so unfair, how can we invade and oppress them when they are better armed than us? Tell them to disarm so we can invade.”
What is wrong with these Argentinian morons?
Aug 26th, 2012 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 01690: The British claimed the Falklands.
1764: The French built a settlement
1765: The British built a settlement
1815: Argentina came into existance.
There is no argument. When are you lot going to leave this tiny nation alone?
The British, and I hope any other decent nation will always support them.
Give it a rest Argentina and try to attack a big boy like Brazil or Chile instead, and just see how far you get. What is wrong with your government?
They all need a “check-up from the neck-up”.
87 LEPRecon
Aug 26th, 2012 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your summary “Let's check the facts shall we” was spot on. CFK has not only lost the battle but the war and she knows it.
As for the argument that TIT is trying to have with anyone who actually reads his posts anymore, check this out:
http://www.playthegame.org/news/detailed/another-year-of-violence-in-argentinean-football-5322.html
@87 LEPRecon,
Aug 26th, 2012 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said. Heartily agree.
@Joe
Aug 26th, 2012 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I second LEP's excellent post but the posts about you Falklanders just seems to go over their heads and it is so frustrating to read.
I could talk about the history of the Falklands from 1817-33 but again they wont listen. It's like banging your head against a brick-wall. Moreno wasn't an Argentina governor, and is actually in a Spanish book called “The Argentinian Governors that never were”, I kid you not- just try telling these brain-washed idiots about it.
Give me Chile, Brazil, Uruguay or Paraguay, or anyone else for you guys to deal with. This lot really are a bunch of morons.
I hate the fact that you lot have to deal with their attitude every day. If France (sic) was like this to us in the UK we would have finished them eons ago: far too stressful to have to deal with on a daily basis.
3,000 people being bullied daily by a nation of 40 million. They must be so proud of themselves.
To British squatters(89) Joe Bloggs & (90) Isolde
Aug 26th, 2012 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Joe Bloggs:
”Spot on” you say about Turnip LEPRecon post (87)…..
I hope, for your own sake, that you are not so gullible on your own business...
The link he providesis from 2002…
Here is a “fresher one” from 2012….:
“The unemployment rate in Argentina fell to 7,2 % on the second quarter of 2012…..”
http://www.dinero.com/actualidad/noticias/articulo/sigue-bajando-desempleo-argentina/157784
As for Isolde…
Well what can be expected…..
She is just a young, susceptible woman…..
What are you rabbiting on about Think?
Aug 26th, 2012 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0You provided no links about the Falklands nation, except for one about Argentinian unemployment. It's high in Argentina. It's high in Europe. It's high in the USA. We are all suffering. So what........is..........your...........point?
Anything to to say about the tiny nation of the Falklands that you wish to steal?
@92 - Think
Aug 26th, 2012 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes Guzz, the Indec figures which ate always so reliable. It has been exposed that the Argentine government were paying people benefits, but not including them in the overall unemployment numbers.
“The government began counting people who receive state handouts as employed after it set up the largest-ever handout program, reaching about 400,000 people.”
Tut, tut Think that's manipulating figures, isn't it? But then they're politicians, and they tend to do that.
However, all these oil companies flocking to invest in the Falklands, means that the future looks very bright to them.
In YPF headquarters, the tumbleweeds tumble around the empty investment office.
Oh and Think, you attitude to Isolde proves you are a sexist prick.
(93) Well...... I have2 (two) points......
Aug 26th, 2012 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 01) There is no such thing as a “Tiny Nation of the Falklands”.... There is (for the time being) a British Overseas Territorry a.k.a. Colony known in the Anglosphere as the Falkland Islands.......
2) Mr. LEPRcon is an ignorant Turnip that can't even provide an unemployment link that isn't 10 years old.........
@92 Meanwhile, back to the matter in hand.....
Aug 26th, 2012 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know that someone called Rusty couldn't ever be considered an expert in anything but I found his/her illustrative article {link below ,} thought provoking. The thought it provoked was that perhaps other people wouldn't agree with you that the supply and demand economics of gas condensate are little different from those of natural gas.
http://www.rbnenergy.com/Neither-Fish-nor-Fowl-Condensates-Muscle-in-on-NGL-and-Crude
LEPRecron,
Aug 26th, 2012 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just slagging off their nation achieves nothing. Those that support the destruction of the Falklanders just need to be be laughed at. They really are pathetic.
Someone one this board eons ago said they suspected the Argentinians were just a bunch of racists, his point was that if the Falklanders spoke Spanish the Spanish colonials in Argentina would have had a different attitude. I think he was right.
Argentina: Raped and murdered your way across the southern South America. “The conquest of the Western Desert” as you proudly call it.
And it just goes to prove - you're never alone with schizophrenia.
Aug 26th, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 097
Very true but its all good fun.
Is that Thinkoverdover or Doveroverthink?
Aug 26th, 2012 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle.
@ 97 If language were the defining prejudice than they wouldn't be racists they'd be linguists. That's not something you could accuse many Brits of being.
Aug 26th, 2012 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle.
Aug 26th, 2012 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you think it was better for your British call sign to say that?
Very true Dover, I realised my mistake, but he had a fair point.
Aug 26th, 2012 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still, a bunch of scum though. I am warming to the rest of the people of South America though, they actually seem human, unlike idiots like Think. Talk about an oxymoron.
OK, I admit it. Fair Cop. I'm Think, Truth Telling Troll, Briton and a few more besides. The only decent thing for me to do is to re-role. It won't be as Viscount Townshend though, too much history. Bye for now.....
Aug 26th, 2012 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lol! What? You are saying you are Toby (TTT). Think and others???????
Aug 26th, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is just so bizarre.
Be yourself mate, you'll always be hated or respected anyway (or neither :) )
How weird is that!
Some Turnips here on Think and marcos,s side! Gas Condensate - under pressure deep down is indeed GAS - bring it up to the surface and it- CONDENSES - thats why it is so called!! - and you get a very high grade light crude(almost diesel in fact) - and , yes -Gas.
Aug 26th, 2012 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0That light amber crude is nice valuable stuff - and thus you need less millions barrels of it to make the well viable. Then after taking the oil you can then- as you will have measured it as it comes up, and you pump it back down to force more of the condensate up-pump out gas as well if its viable.
Simple reason why B&S will be back ion 2014 is to drill and determine the quantities- same as RKH did to enable them to make SeaLion a viable commercial investment.
Some desperate “nabos”(spanish for turnips for those who dont speak it) on here eh Think?
(100) & (103) Ps McDod
Aug 26th, 2012 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Rusty seems “all right to me”
http://www.rbnenergy.com/rusty-braziel
2) I don’t disagree with any of Rusty’s evaluations.
3) What I’m saying is that normal “supply and demand economics” will be the overriding factor against any expensive Malvinas Off-Shore, Deep Sea, End-of-the World conventional production adventure against a much cheaper worldwide On-Shore, locally available, unconventional production of humongous amounts of shale oil, gas and gas condensate…..
I can also see that Kelper Joe Bloggs is insinuating that you and I are the same person…
Maybe you could “put an end to Joe’s paranoid misery” by telling all of us some “savory island gossip” from your time at Mount Pleasant?
You know what I mean…. Nudge Nudge Wink Wink…..
http://www.rbnenergy.com/rusty-braziel
PS:
Too late...... you already confessed !
But.... Couldn't you have picked anyone else but Briton?
Stop showing off your excellent English and just return as your real self.
Aug 26th, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0A real Toby.
@79 Do please tell us more about how “a bankrupt country with 3 million unemployed is footing the bill...” please. We have NOTHING to learn from argieland about being bankrupt! Paid any bills recently? UK unemployment is 7.5%. Argie unemployment is 7.2%. And, lucky you, you have 25+% inflation as well! We don't!
Aug 26th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@92 Is that an Indec figure?
@95 “A nation may refer to a community of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history.” That seems to include the Falkland Islanders but not argies.
@97 Please see above for a definition of “nation”. And argies would be a “nation”...how?
Think and DoveoverDover have a strange thing going on.
Aug 26th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Doveoverdover
You could probably make your mind up as to whether you support the Falklanders or not rather than talking over them as if they are simply just statistics and a result of british politics.
109 Tobers
Aug 26th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, a bit like me and Mrs Palmer.
Mrs palmer is your wife? Neighbour? Mrs Bloggs is up to speed on this?
Aug 26th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So that relationship revolves around using complicated (pretentious) prose and argument constructions and a quasi respectful adversary - bit like victorian gentlemen dualists?
(110) Joe Bloggs
Aug 26th, 2012 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please answer Mr. Tobers questions at (111):
Mrs Palmer is your wife?
Neighbour?
Mrs Bloggs is up to speed on this?
(Do you use all of her daugthers?)
Chuckle chuckle©
@111 Pretentious? Moi?
Aug 26th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.
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I think {not} ,.
@112 We both know (after all we are one and the same person) that Palmer, like Pamela, is a euphemism for self gratification of a sexual kind {palm of your hand}. This is not a pleasant metaphor and is certainly not one worthy of a gentleman, Victorian or Elizabethan.
(113) Ps McDod
Aug 26th, 2012 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not worthy of a gentleman...... But quite typical for a Kelper of convict extraction ...................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJkO-EKRVd0
(111) Tobers
Pretentious? Moi?
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I think {not} ,.
You went from funny to stupid to rude.
Aug 26th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grow up.
Doveroverthinkoverdover
Aug 26th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're not fooling anyone. The old “gentlemen don't masturbate” one again. I've heard that a few times before and I don't buy it. Not that either of you are gentlemen. You're wither liars or you don't know what you're missing.
Chuckle chuckle.
mrs palmer = masturbation eh? I feel enlightened and enriched to have learnt this
Aug 26th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ive had a varied and interesting life but Ive never heard that one before. Perhaps its something of the armed forces, prison, or of a bygone era...?
@117 Perhaps Think and I just worked it out from the observable fact, clear to all from the quality of the content of his posts, that JB is indeed a practitioner of digital dexterity (using Mrs Palmer and all her daughters) to achieve personal satisfaction. A true “Killick with a Whiskey prefix”, to use an old naval descriptor. For example, it is clear that both Think and I are gentlemen since neither of us now seem to work for a living.
Aug 27th, 2012 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for supporting the Falkland Islanders, those who live there have no greater supporter than me but it isn't unthinking and unconditional support. It's enlightened self interest; another true facet of a Gentleman. I commend it to you.
Now who have l heard saying “moi” before?
Aug 27th, 2012 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only señor Think & now señor Doveoverdover,
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
What to make of it all?
Stop being rude, Think.
@119 Admonish Joe Bloggs, Madam, for it was he who slyly introduced Mrs Palmer into the exchange without exposing his meaning.
Aug 27th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle Chuckle
Please support Falklands Truth - it's a campaign page to promote the truth about the Falkland Islands and destroy Argentina's fascistic agenda https://www.facebook.com/truthfk
Aug 27th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Doveoverdover
Aug 27th, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 'Palmer' thing is entirely obvious now but my mind wasnt at that level upon reading it.
---As for supporting the Falkland Islanders, those who live there have no greater supporter than me but it isn't unthinking and unconditional support. It's enlightened self interest; another true facet of a Gentleman. I commend it to you.----
Your attitude seems to be yes to self determination BUT... Always a clause.
But... isnt it simple? The simplest and most enlightened most humanitarian standpoint is self determination. Lets not accommodate deceitful, manipulative -governments- to any degree and that doesnt just refer to Argentina's.
Its not important to me if they are Falklanders, Tibetans, East Timorese, Gibraltans, Taiwanese, Mapuche etc etc etc so i dont feel my support for the Falklanders right to self determination is -unthinking-. It is
-unconditional- in the sense that I wont change my viewpoint on self determination and support a well established peaceful populations desire to be left in peace.
122 Tobers
Aug 27th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Many thanks for your unconditional support through your belief in self-determination for all. It is as simple as that at the end of the day. I'm not sure what conditions Doverthink has in mind but luckily we don't need to worry about them. I wonder what conditions he has to meet to remain Argentine or British or whatever he is.
Please accept my apologies for introducing Mrs Palmer to the discussion. I was merely trying to point out that, if not the same person, Thinkoverdover and Doveroverthink are as inseperable as me and Mrs Palmer or any guy and well, Mrs Palmer. Anyway Thinkover was already well aware of the concept because he added “and her five children” to the mix.
Like others have pointed out, the reason for my doubt over Doveroverdover's true allegiance is that his posts always manage to have a double-edged barb to them and there's never a show without Punch (Think). Also the two of them are way too much of a mutual admiration (perhaps masturbation) society.
Also, I'd just like to close out by saying RIP JB. Very sad news.
@Joe Bloggs
Aug 27th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im glad to say that Im not not that sensitive or prudish ; ) I can mix it with any docker.
Doveoverdover seems to want to occupy this uber complex political position with ifs and buts and 'isnt this contradictory' statements when really its not complicated at all. He and Think do seem remarkably similar in the way they comment...
124 Tobers
Aug 27th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL! A docker! I like it. If only I could mix it with some of the dockers I know of. I did try a day of stevadoring once as a kid; bloody hard work.
Thanks for your support.
@122
Aug 27th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My attitude is “yes to self determination” so long as it means their staying as British citizens under the Crown which currently they do, of course. I'd extend the same right to the people of the Isle of Wight, of Yorkshire and to my home village with its population of less than 1000 council tax payers. Anything less than conservatism in this situation is rebellion and to advocate it, arguably, treason.
Regarding the Falklands constitution, I understand this to be our national position too (no constitutional changes without the approval of the population is not the same as the population can choose new constitutional arrangements independent of Her Majesty's pleasure). Without British sovereignty of the Falkland Islands, the UK would soon lose sovereignty of SG and SSI and hence the supportability of our claim to a slice of the Antarctic on which it is based would be completely undermined. Who knows what undiscovered resources rash and unconditional self determination would lose the British nation state? This is not in our national interest.
The Falkland Islands, unlike e.g. Montserrat and Bermuda for which I would allow more latitude to be ungrateful, are not populated by descendants of forced migrants. They are truly a colony of Britain in the long established, historical sense of the word. On this I agree with Think. But where he is bitter about it, I rejoice in our good fortune and in the foresight and energy of our forefathers that made it that way.
Unlike in Argentina and the USA, it is unfashionable in post-empire, post-industrial Britain to be pro patria. I chose not to follow the fashion on this one but you are entitled to if you wish; such is the freedom of being British.
no worries. glad things have eased up for you guys now that internal pressure is mounting on that odious woman/system.
Aug 27th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(126) Doveoverdover
Aug 27th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is, in my humble opinion, a well written comment!
By the way......,I'm not bitter.
I may be a bit affronted, aggravated, annoyed, bothered, dissatisfied, discontented, displeased, exasperated, irritated, motivated, provoked, riled, unsatisfied, unhappy or even upset about the Malvinas issue........
But not bitter.
Think
Aug 27th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your caustic derogatory comments certainly come across as bitter. Or is that irony.
@126
---My attitude is “yes to self determination” so long AS LONG AS their staying as British citizens under the Crown---
Then its not really self determination.
---Without British sovereignty of the Falkland Islands, the UK would soon lose sovereignty of SG and SSI and hence the supportability of our claim to a slice of the Antarctic on which it is based would be completely undermined.---
How do you know that? Even India has a research base in the Antartic. Besides if there are great riches found in Antartic then its going to take more than a British military base in the Falklands to stave off the rest of the world.
---This is not in our national interest.---
Who cares about national interest?
To me the word -colony- is like using the word negro for a black person. It has connatations. Whether it was or wasnt a colony in the distant past it certainly isnt that now.
Nationalism maybe considered a celebration of ones heritage but it also by default says -my country is better than yours-.Thats how wars are started. I appreciate and accept aspects of my (learned) culture ,I can hardly deny them, but would do wherever I was born. Ultimately whats more important? - being oneself or belonging to a club that says directly or indirectly -look at us! we're better than you-?
@ 128. Thank you for your kind and unsolicited compliment. Unsolicited because you and I know we are not actually the same person. It is interesting to note that many folk on here can't seem to grasp that it is perfectly possible to have a similar interpretation of events and situations but draw very different conclusions from them. In the spirit of intellectual fellowship that we might but don't share, I hope you are never overcome with bitterness. Equally, though, I truly hope it isn't because Argentinian colonialism prevails over British colonialism.
Aug 27th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0128 I don't Think aka The Turnip In Chief
Aug 27th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have 'forgotten' a principal attribute: that of probably the biggest LIAR on MercoPress.
I am happy to assist you in correcting your post.
think..
Aug 27th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watched a tv program on antarctic the other day and they visited the Argentine Antarctic Base and surprise surprise it's a military base! Why? Its another example of argentine colonialism....busted
@129 I take your question to be rhetorical but, if you need an answer, our Government does on our behalf as other do for their citizens. As for the distant past when FI was a formally a Crown Colony, 1981 is not that long ago. I know, I was there (1981 that is). And calling it a three letter acronym doesn't make it any less a colony.
Aug 27th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0jSORfDaC81BFfiHq
Aug 27th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Careful; Bennies are listening.
Remember: Small Army - Smaller World.
@134 Someone with time to spare, nothing better to do, has actually mastered the Search facility on Mercopress and gives a fig could probably decrypt that. You have compromised my OPSEC. I will never forgive you.
Aug 27th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He/She would still need to have access to military records from the 8901 and HQ.
Aug 27th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or a very good memory.....
Someone like us you mean. Fortunately rare beasts indeed. Anonymity most probably preserved. Hurrah and goodnight - I need to be at my best tomorrow to deal with the fall out of your negative condensate analysis on our BOR investment. And Mrs McDOD is restless.
Aug 27th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Granted that 1981 is not the so distant past but how much have the Falklands changed in 30 years? By all accounts its changed massively since then.
Aug 28th, 2012 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0-Crown Colony- really does sound like something that should have stayed in 18-19th century.
(129) Tobers
Aug 28th, 2012 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“Think
Your caustic derogatory comments certainly come across as bitter. Or is that irony.”
I say:
Have you been reading my comments to South-American proponents and apologists of despotism, tyranny and repression like Artillero601 or Sergio Vega?
Those comments certainly come from an angered, disrespected, enraged, furious, incensed, injured, insulted, irated, maddened, upset and yes; even bitter Think.
139 I don't Think aka The Turnip In Chief
Aug 28th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0There, there.
I bet you feel better now you have got the REAL you out in the open.
Confronting your innermost struggles is supposed to work: but somehow I doubt it in your case.
Keep taking the tablets.
139
Aug 28th, 2012 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wallowing in self pity....... again?
You'll go blind.
If never visit general chat forums.
Aug 28th, 2012 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This series of comments has been super-surreal.
As a boy I finally understood the missing link: Mrs Palmer and her 5 fingers (girls to us boys). think I heard it aged 11, now at 49:, At 13-15 I just got on with it.
Is this the most bizazre and surreal thread I've ever witnessed?
How can interesting chat stoop to this level of wanking/sex.
Really. it's just surreal.
Joe: I'm sure that Think was teasing you to find out if you were a normal boy. Just don't bother going down that that road, what a twat.
Really pathetic “Think”, Tobers et al. Is this the best you can do in the “Information” war you enjoy.
Last night I was in a pub with a mate, we got chatting with an Italian at the very end of the night. She said she was studying Law but angling towards International Law. Hey, sometimes you bitch whilst others just get on with our world.
Back to the topic……
Aug 29th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shares from the company that ”confirmed” abundant gas condensate last Thursday dropped ~17% yesterday.
Shares from the company that ”confirmed” abundant gas condensate last Thursday dropped ~7% today.
http://www.advfn.com/newspaper/tom-winnifrith/8699/borders-amp-southern-bad-speculation-certainly-not-an-investment
Chuckle chuckle©
@143 I'm not getting back to the topic until I've had half a pint of what he was drinking.
Aug 29th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0143
Aug 29th, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what's your point? Even if it turned out that no oil was found do you think that would change our resolve to stay in the Falklands? I wonder whether you deadbeats would still want the islands so badly.
His point is that the shares I bought for him at £50 are now worth the same as a T shirt that says “Piss of Argentina”. That he should draw this to our attention is yet another indication that irony is now the Argentinian weapon of last resort.
Aug 29th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(145) Joe Bloggs
Aug 30th, 2012 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0You ask:
“Even if it turned out that no oil was found do you think that would change our resolve to stay in the Falklands?”
My answer:
Yes, indeed.
You wonder:
”whether you Argentineans would still want the Islands so badly.
I say:
Yes, absolutely.
@147 Oh come on, only 50% right this time.
Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0For as long as the current generation is alive and has any influence the resolve to support the Falklands against Argentinian colonialism would have remained unchanged. That resolve is, as we speak, being passed on to the next generation, fuelled by the peevish actions and policies of the Argentinian Government as well as by the certainty of oil funded wealth.
@45 LEP
Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are right sorry, I had this argument with and army guy who said we should consider ourselves english as it was the english who saved our arses and foot the bill, I pointed out that it was a British taskforce and Britian foots the bill.
@148
You are right, after the Menem administration a lot of people in the UK were wondering why we were still fighting advances by Argentina. Thanks to the double Kirchner support hasn't been this strong since the war. I'm not going to say that this has absolutley nothing to do with oil but for the most part for the average Joe (ie the voter) this is to do with standing up to a bully. All the Kirchners have managed to do is strengthen support for the Falklands in the UK.
Just wanted to add a little point to think of here.
Aug 30th, 2012 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When Argentina starts running out of oil, due to bad management and lack of foreign investment and people in the cold areas are suffering from lack of heating and power, will Argentina go cap in hand to the Falklands.
Will CFK finally admit she and her government were wrong to make illegal blockades on the falkland islanders who are making sound investment and development decisions than her.
Also, would CFK try to purchase oil from the Falklands.
The interesting point here is
1) They must demand cash in advance due to untrustworthy status
2) Allow flagged UK and Falkland vessels, as they would be stupid to allow Argentinian ships to dock
3) opening of airspace
That would really stick in her botox expanded craw
(148) Doveoverdover
Aug 30th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
Oh come on, only 50% right this time.
I say:
1) One of the central points of Squatter Joe Bloggs question is: “Even if it turned out that ”NO OIL” was found ……?”
Nevertheless, one of the main arguments in your response is an imaginary: ”CERTAINTY OF OIL”.
Can you spot the incongruence?
2) Another central point of Squatter Bloggs question is: ”……do you Think that would change OUR RESOLVE to stay in the Falklands?”
Well……. I assume that , when saying “OUR RESOLVE”, Squatter Bloggs is referring to ALL the population of the Islands, including ~700 Saints, ~300 Chileans ~100 Superheads etc. etc. etc.
The above mentioned people will be the first to emigrate if and when “NO OIL” is found and the Argentinean measures to properly regulate the Malvinas fisheries, commerce and tourism begin to bear fruit.
So, all in all my answer is: YES, I THINK THAT WILL CHANGE MANY PEOPLES RESOLVE TO STAY IN MALVINAS.
Do you follow me?
PS:
Bor down 5,37% again today......
Maybe we should invest in T shirts?
'I don't Think' aka The Turnip In Chief.
Aug 30th, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like the rest of the cowardly Malvanista Argies, you bunch of liars and malcontents do not understand even the basic character of the British people.
When confronted by bullies and wanna-be gangsters, like you and the rest of your Malvanista amigos, we don't run away and hide. We kick the shit out them!
Remember 1982? How a little Task Force managed to chuck your lot off our property.
It is called back-bone, resolve, standing up for OUR people, something that your sort has no comprehension of.
Your lot manage to stab and rob your own countrymen at every turn if it suits them.
No matter what TMBOA manages to come up with in her psychotic head it will make no difference at all to the Islanders.
No, I am wrong there, it will. What it WILL DO is to increase their resolve to withstand this nonsense until some idiot in Argentina decides to try an invasion again. I do hope and trust that the mainland will not be let off the next time.
Go and chuckle, chuckle, that off.
151 Think
Aug 30th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you that your chum completely misunderstood our exchange but I have to disagree with you about our resolve weakening. Firstly let me clarify who I meant by “our” because I didn't mean the Saints, Chileans and Superheads unless they are permanent residents / on the electoral role. Of course the people who are there temporarily for a few months or even a few years will leave if work dries up because that's the reason they're there in the first place. By “our” I mean the roughly 3,200, as figured on the electoral role, Falkland Islanders.
As for your country's attempts to rape the seas so as to cause the extinction of some species, it won't work. It will get screwed up like every other botched attempt to hurt us. It will be like your stupid economic blockade attempts aimed at stopping shipping or stopping our weekly LAN flight.
By the way there are not 100 “supeheads” but I take your point. At least Teflon has gone now so things are getting back to normal.
Chuckle chuckle
(153) Joe Bloggs
Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) You are wrong, squatter Joe Bloggs..........
The 3,000 number you mention covers pretty much EVERYBODY* on them islands.
(*Excluding British troops and their families)
2) Look who’s talking about ”Raping the Seas”.........
One of those 3,000 squatters that yearly licenses the extraction of more fish from the South Atlantic than the entire Argentinean fishing fleet catches for feeding our Country of 40,000,000 people.
Besides……….. nobody is trying to ”Cause the Extinction of Any Species” we are just trying to render them un-commercial for certain squatters and pirates.
So… Be so kind and stop playing the ”Drama Queen” here at MercoPress.
Save it for Saturday Night at the Globe.
154 Think
Aug 30th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You DO make me laugh. You don't actually think anyone takes you seriously do you?
You're wrong about the 3,000-odd figure. Sure it includes some Chileans, Saints, Australians, New Zealanders, Russians, Uruguayans, Brazillians, Americans, Canadians, Spanish, South Africans, etc. but only if those people are also naturalised Falkland Islanders. Don't tell me I'm wrong you old man.
As for the Globe on a Saturday night. I doubt it. Maybe VERY briefly on a Friday night if my work goes out for a few together but that would almost always be in the Vic primarily. Later would be the Pot and the Rose. That's IF I go out which is only maybe once a month. I tend to be on the road too much normally (in the UK again right now discussing a very significant little something planned for October but enough on that for now).
Chuckle chuckle
(155) Joe Bloggs
Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't give a FIG about what you take seriously......
But........ the FIG FIGures contradict you....
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/documents/Census%20Report%202006.pdf
@151. No need to shout, I'm not a superficial turnip.
Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps JB should have added “in commercial quantity”. So in the spirit of compromise, let me revise my input:
For as long as the current generation of British citizens (resident in the Falkland Islands and elsewhere) is alive and has any influence their resolve to maintain the Falklands as a British Overseas Territory and defend it against Argentinian colonialism would have remained unchanged, commercial hydrocarbons or not. That resolve is, as we speak, being passed on to the next generation, fuelled by the peevish actions and policies of the Argentinian Government.
As for your subsequent post, I think we can all relax. No oil and “effective” foreign control of tourism, commerce and natural resources? Sorry, even I wouldn't put £50 quid on that at the bookies and I can obviously spare it.
156
Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle. What sort of sad, bitter old man are you to be downloading things such as FIG census reports? But anyway, since you did I had a look. Now I have to admit that I stand by what I said.
We aren't going anywhere wise one.
Chuckle chuckle.
(157) Doveoverdover
Aug 30th, 2012 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well.......
Argentina and an increasingly united Latin-America are resolved to make the Brits pay dearly for their “Colonial Resolve”......
Let's see what the boys in the City will say when the lost business opportunities reach the billions instead of millions......
@159 Think
Aug 30th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's it. I thought you were smart and witty but now I see you're actually as mad a hatter. Thanks for the banter over the past months, i have enjoyed it, but now you can add me to the long list of posters you've seen off.
Give it up, Think!
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know, l know, the whole world knows(except for some crazy malvinistas), that the Falklands are not yours, have never been yours & never will be yours.
Haven't you squatters & receivers of stolen goods got enough land?
And you want ours too? Does your greed know no bounds?
You're chasing your own tail & getting no-where fast.
Ah well my dear little Thinkus, have a nice weekend.
lts the first day of Spring tomorrow, time to plant.
160
Aug 31st, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll be back, increasing Argentine depression, frustration and bitterness will ensure your “services” remain in demand.
Give it up, Think!
Aug 31st, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know, l know, the whole world knows(except for some crazy malvinistas), that the Falklands are not yours, have never been yours & never will be yours.
Haven't you squatters & receivers of stolen goods got enough land?
And you want ours too? Does your greed know no bounds?
You're chasing your own tail & getting no-where fast.
Ah well my dear little Thinkus, have a nice weekend.
lts the first day of Spring tomorrow, time to plant.
AHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAA
you are FINISHED like uk isolde!!
My old mate, Malvi-baby! Where have you been, malvi?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back to ltaly to visit the relations?
Why am l finished, Malvi?
l am in excellent health, l have a loving family, a good standard of living, l've got my rose garden, l can go where l want when l want.
No Malvi, the future looks bright.
The only dark clouds on the horizon are our unstable, loco neighbours to the west.
But we can handle them!
And yourself, dear Malvi, how is life with you?
Please tell all.
l've missed your:-
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Don't think the UK is finished either.
@ 159
Sep 01st, 2012 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina and an increasingly united Latin-America”
That'll be the united Latin America where Argentina argues with Uruguay over the River Plate, the one where Argentina wants to help Bolivia get land from Chile, and the one where Argentina increases trade tarriffs to its neighbours.
Sounds increasingly un-united.
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