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“We need to prepare for war to live in peace”, says Paraguayan Defence minister
“We must prepare for war to live in peace” said Paraguay’s Defence minister Maria Liz Garcia in reference to the new geopolitical situation following the suspension of Paraguay as a member of Mercosur and Unasur. Read full article
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Aug 23rd, 2012 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 01. “when principles are manipulated, values distorted and there is a gross violation of the people’s right to self determination”, added the minister.
2. their peers are claiming that zone with the same intensity almost fanatic as the Argentines with the Falklands ”, said Ms Garcia.
Well says it all really. I took out the Malvinas bit as they don't exist.
Ah, this must be this South American solidarity Guzz and the other Malvinistas were talking about.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course their idea of solidarity is the United States of Argentina, brought about by the Argentine/Venezulan jackboot, absolute oppression if any opposition, and a government that is as free and open as North Korea.
Paraguay is right to be concerned, surrounded by enemies as they currently are, and they are right to build up their defences.
Interesting that she referred to the Falklands rather than the Malvinas. A deliberately provocative gesture towards Argentina I suspect.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could this possibly be a turning point within SA? The recognition of one country that (while admitting they have their own issues) are now deeply concerned that the colonial attitudes of its neighbours could put at risk their country and most importantly their innocent population.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I recognise that this is early days for them in terms of looking at things with their eyes wide open but if they continue down this course of action remaining firm in this point then they will have earned my respect and admiration.
With the Falklands set to become a new economic power house in terms of scale perhaps some mutually beneficial arrangements could be made by these two isolated communities in SA?
Old empire, at least be a little bit nuanced...
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0We've all seen this movie before, and if you feel you don't have the time for verses, violins and guitars, just build those bases in Paraguay and stop wasting even more time...
Wow Guzz getting emotional when things aren't going your way AGAIN
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 nuanced (comparative more nuanced, superlative most nuanced)
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 01.Having nuances; possessed of multiple layers of detail, pattern, or meaning
OK, let's take a shot at it. Paraguay seems to had something of a chequered history, with a long list of dictatorships. However this is no different to the majority of LatAm countries except that others, e.g. argieland, venezuela etc. have made a pretence of democracy from time to time. A prime example of this is argieland that has been under an effective dictatorship since 2003. Venezuela has, of course, been a dictatorship since 1998, especially since there is now not even a pretence of a democratic opposition. Smaller LatAm countries have suffered from increasingly weak “leaders”. The best current example of this is Mujica of Uruguay. There is little doubt now that Uruguay is effectively a province of argieland. Although this may be contested by Brazil. If Brazil's aspirations toward controlling Paraguay are not realised, it may turn its attention to Uruguay and attempt to continue what started with the Cisplatine War. In the meantime, Paraguay has turned its focus outward to consider defence alliances against unfriendly neighbours such as argieland, Bolivia, Brazil, Uruguay and Venezuela. Potential partners include the United States, with a previous expressed interest in one or more military bases, the United Kingdom, re-opening its embassy and with an obvious interest in combating aggression toward the Falkland Islands, and Chile, a generally moderate nation having good relations both with the USA and the UK. It may be worth noting that the Paraguayan Defence Minister's comments are a repeat of the Royal Navy's motto - Si vis pacem, para bellum
There, lots of “nuances” for you to chew over.
Ahhh “Conqueror” I can't stand waiting for your comments every single morning. You are a poet of freedomwith such deep knowledge of diplomacy, history and military science that don't understand how, being so bright and informed, you writte, for free, in this medium. You should write profecionally in specialized media, or work in any security agency. Your commitment to peace, freedon and to the safety of your country would be officially awarded !!!
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I also would like to suggest that you use your spare time playing “batleships” with several of those who regularly write in this medium. You can sink an entire fleet (even with the colors of the Argentine flag or of any other “enemy” you might choose) in minutes with the advantage that no one will die, there won't be human suffering and you can meet your child warmongering.
I look forward to reading more of your additional comments ...
as long as they dont start a shooting war, before i get back of holidays,
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but who would she want to fight anyway,
we thought they were all friends .
may i just say the region is becoming unstable and it has nothing to do with the UK or The Falklands this is more realistic threat to peace in south america, just incase inbred argtards wish to point deformed fingers, try looking inwards for a change!
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0· 8 pgerman good, very good...conqueror = bastard !!!! conqueror = bla, bla, bla !! conqueror is dead !!!! british, go home !!! LatAm only for southamericans !!! hahahahaahh conqueror = bla, bla, bla !!!!!!!!!
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a blood curdling speech, this Paraguyan regime really is a provacateur against the rest of Latin America
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How so very “United States” of them. Orwell loved phrases like “war is peace” and “up is down” and “we must destroy the village to save it”. Go Paraguay. You have given the US military a home in the center of South America.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The conservatives on this site just love the sound of rattling sabers.
13,
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0logicaly
war is peace , [afterwards] is it not,
and if you was standing on your head, then [up is down] is it not ,
and if the village was in fected, then you would have to destroy it, to save it, and build a new one,
is this true in part,
as for giving the US a home,
do most of us, [even you]
giva a home to someone ,or som thing, at some time ,
just a thought .
@8 I do like your selected name. In my mind, “pee” and “german” go rather naturally together. As in “Britain pee'd all over Germany, twice!” Before certain criminal krauts ran away to LatAm. As for “battleships”, I gave that up about 40 years ago when I found that my government wouldn't let me actually destroy Britain's enemies. Most of the eastern South America would already be a smoking ruin with the few remaining inhabitants “surviving” in caves and old railway carriages. High altitude photos would probably show something similar to the Nazca Lines. Except that we would know for certain that the traces weren't left by intelligent beings!
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 Aaaah, one of the neanderthals has surfaced. Or is it one of the mutants? As you can see, I am very much alive. And still able to comment on a slob. Sorry, slug. Big, fat, ugly slug. Oh, I get it. It's a big, fat, ugly, mutant, neanderthal, slug-like slob! You do understand about “Conqueror”, don't you? Couple of clues. British submarine. Glug, glug, glug, glug!
@12 What a funny little slob you are. Or is that juba? No real difference! I suppose you did notice that Paraguay has been attacked by argieland, Brazil and Uruguay. Perhaps we shouldn't count Uruguay. What's Pepe's new job title? District councillor? And how easy it seems to be to curdle your blood. That's good to know. How does it go? Somewhere expresses an intention to defend itself. Your blood curdles. You run. You automatically become an argie. Is this your cunning plan to get “close” to the Wicked Botox Ugly Witch of the South? Perhaps, to demonstrate your total support and adoration, you could present her with your curdled blood. All of it!
Wow, Paraguay are really pissed with their neighbours, good for them, I hope it continues, love her use of the Royal Navy motto and happily referring to the Falklands as the Falklands because they the Falklands.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 - BK
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paraguay being belligerant? Perhaps you missd the part when Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay and Venezula all turned against them, after they had LEGALLY indited their President for corruption.
Or did you miss the bit where Venezula was attempting to persuade the Paraguan military to betray their own country?
Or the bit where Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay BROKE their own rules to allow Venezula into Mercosur?
Oh no, Paraguay is not being belligerant, Paraguay realises the danger it is in from their so-called 'friends'.
But you don't care about that, do you, BK? You support any so-called 'socialist' government no matter how much they oppress the opposition, or how much they threaten their neighbours.
@13 - rylang23
Isn't that what CFK is doing? War is Peace (she threatens the Falklands, then claims she is peaceful), Lies are the truth (Indec publishes fairytale figures that she insists are the truth even though they've been discredited around the world and by independent Argentine institutions).
If Paraguay does let the Yanks build a base on their home turf, I wouldn't blame them. Surely better to be paid by the Yanks for the use of land, whilst at the same time being protected by their presence, than wait for your neighbours to invade you and divide the spoils between them.
Good on Paraguay. It's a pity more South American countries don't stand up to CFK's and Chavez imperialist, colonial plans.
LEP
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't be too generous in my defence of Paraguay if I was you, play it smart and keep your cards tight to your body, we haven't seen anything yet :)
oh really Guzz more of your rhetoric and sabre rattling, you really don't like it when people stand up to you do you. I suppose now the Yanks are giving you some grief, they will be PIRATEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0slatzzz
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are pirates even when they don't give me some grief...
I love it when you lot stand up to me. It's amusing, easy and way to addictive :)
@18 - Guzz
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what you are saying is that you support the aggressive actions of Argentina, Brazil and Venezula towards Paraguay and support any invasion of that country, and the division of that country between the other 3, and the oppression and enslavement of the people of Paraguay.
What a paragon of virtue you are. All that shouting you did about Assange is laid bare as you only really supported it to have a dig at the UK and USA. Now you show your real colours, a supporter of tyrannical dictatorships.
LEP
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now you are talking crap, who is invading Paraguay???
That's all happening in your head :)
22 Guzz (#)
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I belive they are refering to the very real threat of invation as outlined below...
“We are deeply concerned because of the Bolivian military deployment in the Chaco and according to our intelligence their peers are claiming that zone with the same intensity almost fanatic as the Argentines with the Falklands (Islas Malvinas)”, said Ms Garcia.
Also interesting how they refer to the Argentines as being fanatics!
“Deeply concerned”
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, so was Colombia the months up to USA building their bases in their territory.
Now they are one of the biggest producers of heavy drugs on the planet, together with Afghanistan (amazingly, USA is there as well...)
You lot think this crap is new to us, don't you? :)
TWIMC……:
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Article says:
“….. according to our intelligence their peers are claiming that zone with the same intensity almost fanatic as the Argentines with the Falklands (Islas Malvinas)”, said Ms Garcia.
(1) slattzzz happily repeats: ”….. their peers are claiming that zone with the same intensity almost fanatic as the Argentines with the Falklands ”, said Ms Garcia.”
(3) Lou Spoo thinks that it is: ”…..Interesting that she referred to the Falklands rather than the Malvinas. A deliberately provocative gesture towards Argentina”.
(16) Britworker loves her:”…… use of the Royal Navy motto and happily referring to the Falklands as the Falklands because they the Falklands.
But……………………….........................................................
What did Ms. Garcia really say?
What about reading the ORIGINAL interwiew on the Paraguayan paper and find out?
http://www.abc.com.py/edicion-impresa/politica/no-se-puede-descartar-una-nueva-guerra-en-la-region-de-mercosur-439933.html
Original Spanish version......:
Periodista: ¿Es cierto que tienen eslóganes como que “el Chaco es nuestro”? ¿Escuchó algo de eso?
Sra. Garcia: Escuché algo.
Periodista: ¿Lo dicen abiertamente?
Sra. Garcia: Yo no puedo aseverar. He escuchado.
Periodista: Dentro de las FF.AA.?
Sra. Garcia: Así dicen.
Periodista: ¿Algo así como “Las Malvinas son Argentinas”?
Sra. Garcia: Puede ser.
Now In English for thebrainwashed monolingual Turnips….:
Journalist: -Is it true that (the Bolivians) have slogans like ”The Chaco is Ours”. Did you hear something about that?
Ms. Garcia: -I did hear something.
Journalist: -Do they say it openly?
Ms. Garcia: -I can’t asseverate it. I have heard.
Journalist: -Inside the Armed Forces?
Ms. Garcia: -So they say.
Journalist: -Something like ”The Malvinas are Argentine”?
Ms. Garcia: -Maybe.”
http://www.abc.com.py/edicion-impresa/politica/no-se-puede-descartar-una-nueva-guerra-en-la-region-de-mercosur-439933.html
Brainwash anybody?
@22 - Guzz
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just following your lead. I mean you stated that the USA were going to extradite Assange regardless of the fact that you had no supporting evidence.
I don't believe (using your 'methodology') it's beyond the realms of possibility that Argentina, Brazil, Boliva and Venezula are 'conspiring' against Paraguay.
I mean 1st they isolate them from Unusur and Mercosur. Tie them up in red tape at the OAS. Venezula get caught trying to persuade the Paraguayan military to betray their own government, Bolivia begin moving military near the Paraguayan border.
Yes, it seem like a conspiracy against Paraguay, and there is more circumstantial evidence of this than there ever was with your Assange claims.
Paraguay will be fine. Argentina and Bolivia have major internal issues that would prevent them from being able to do an all out war against another country. Argentina could invade a little island group like the Falklands, but they'll get pushed back again with time. To fully invade another country is no easy task and sucks up huge amounts of resources; which neither Bolivia or Argentina have. Brazil has no interest in such stupidity, especially since there are about 500k Brazilian citizens and their children living in Paraguay.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If either Argentina or Bolivia invades Paraguay, there will be a civil war in their own countries. It will weaken their military's too much and allow the opposition to take advantage. Those dictators just want to remain in power; invading another country would get them kicked out very quickly.
Lep
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are free to think what you want, I wont stop you ridiculizing yourself :)
@25
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha, you can't revise history in a day. Ms Garcia's interview has been widely publicised in the Paraguayan press, she clearly referred to the Argentines as fanatics where the FALKLAND ISLANDS are concerned. Pretty much what most South Americans think but are too scared to say it. Congratulations to Paraguay - a small country with more backbone than the rest of you put together. “if you want peace, you must be prepared for war”, hence the reason the Tomahawks are locked in on Buenos Aires, you know, just in case.
(29) Britworker
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you be so kind to provide a link to any Paraguayan article that confirms your asseveration?
Thanks in advance
El Think
Chubut, Argentina
Why is it that Lat-Am politicians seems to come in two flavors - hysterical and comatose?
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.abc.com.py/nacionales/rechazan-ingreso-de-venezuela-441812.html
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Is your real name Molina? I ask because of your insistence on being Uruguayan and I was interested in your antecedents. Lo and behold, I found that argieland and Uruguay are home to something called Molina's hog-nosed skunk. Your family? Sounds fairly accurate.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27 I'll only question one thing. When you say “Argentina could invade a little island group like the Falklands, but they'll get pushed back again with time.”, how long constitutes “time”? Technically, it took us 8 weeks last time, starting with the recapture of South Georgia. But we didn't actually go for the Falklands themselves until 21 May. That would mean that it only took us 4 weeks. And we are far better prepared and equipped now. Work on the basis that there are, in situ, 20 times as many troops, a little over 4 times as many combat aircraft and a little over 4 times as many naval vessels (maybe) as there were in '82. Reinforcements would probably be arriving, by air, at the rate of 1,000 troops and a squadron of combat aircraft per day. Minimum.
it makes me angry. trying to make the victims, but who started the war Paraguay was under the command of Francisco Solano Lopez. who invaded the state of Mato Grosso. the Mercosur and UNASUR are right. The United States is behind the fall of Fernando Lugo simply because it was against a U.S. base in Paraguay. and to finalize. any attempt to create a war in south america is created from outside. read this and you will have no idea what I'm talking about. http://www.istoedinheiro.com.br/noticias/11186_150+ANOS+DE+AMOR+E+ODIO the British and Americans still feel they are the heroes of the world. that bad joke.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(34) Juliano
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good link to an article over what seems to be an interesting book.....
800 pages in Portuguese..... I will need most of the afternoon :-)
Obrigado.
El Think
Chubut, Argentina
@34 - juliano
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's a serious accusation, your proof? Actual proof, not some drivel written by one of your conspiracy theory buddies.
Besides Lugo is/was a nobody. If the US were going to get rid of someone it would've been Chavez.
On a conspiracy theory inventiveness of 1-10 you only score 1, but cheer up, it is still better than the Assange conspiracy theory which scored 0.
Accept the facts....
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This paraguayan woman is insecure and cannot follow what is going with the USA foreign policy....
She is just rattling for attention....
maybe Isolde can calm her down...but,
for sure she does not make any sense at all!
She repeats....The Miami Herald said....
“Iran is building a private port in Venezuela”
“I don't have information”...
”Paraguay need to go to war to live in peace'
Go to war with what?
The USA is flat broke and no longer cannot afford to borrow monies to keep the country afloat!
Iran does not like Israel and Israel does not like Iran....
There is a chance that before the USA election date November 6, 2012 ...Israel might hit Iran...
and
the USA will demand from the UK to send their armed forces to Hormuz ...
to protect Israel..
that's is what the USA expect from the UK..
which the UK always agrees...
the UK provides these servants known as soldiers which is cheaper than wasting the USA military men.
These are just words. I seriously doubt any of the South American countries would put money in a war for nothing. South America of the XIX is way different from S.A. of these days. The world is completely different nowadays. Nobody starts a war in the XXI because of a little tension between nations. Even The States are reviewing their foreign “defense” policy.
Aug 23rd, 2012 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 036 Leprecon real evidence? these documents are drawn from the personal files of the Rothschild family. they show various attempts to create wars in south america, but here they do not have much success. you already must have heard the phrase “divide and conquer”? yes, that is what Americans and British do. Now answer me with moral authority that the British government attempts to arrest assange, since you gave them political asylum ha various warlord including Augusto Pinochet?
Aug 24th, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0not everyone is lined by the media to the point of not knowing a bit of truth.
Susssie - awesome rant!! If someone were to write down what I say when I am drunk, it would look something like what you just wrote.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Juliano - You are correct that Paraguay was the first to cross the border in the Triple Alliance War. Paraguay subsequently declared war against Argentina to be able to defend Brasil's invasion of Uruguay. In any case, it was an atrocious war. Between 75%-90% of the million or so people in Paraguay died. Brazil and Argentina nearly exterminated the Paraguayan race. It wasn't necessary to take it to that extreme. For this reason it isn't any surprise that Paraguay is looking to have some kind of military presence in the Chaco. If I were President Franco, I'd invite the USA, Britain, Russia, any country with a strong military to setup a base in the Chaco with the one prerequisite that they protect Paraguay in the case of an invasion.
@40 Hobo Paraguay
Aug 24th, 2012 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do a favor to all of us and help that woman to make sense!
These is 2012 and face the facts:
Before or after the USA election Iran might suffer a blow...and such comment about an Iran building a port in Venezuela ....is her imagination....esa senora esta loquisima!
we need to prepare for war to live in peace
Aug 24th, 2012 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually a ancient greek quote in reverse
Israel will take care of Iran..with just one slap...so this paraguayan woman needs counseling...please Isolde, where are you..honky tonky again!..
Aug 24th, 2012 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sussie - First the only comments being made by the defense minister in relation to Iran is that Hugo Chavez and Iran are butt buddies. She makes a connection to how contradictory the treatment of Venezuela is compared to the suspension of Paraguay. For us here in Paraguay, it just seems like South America has isolated us because we don't want to be the radical left. Then seeing the build up of the Bolivian military isn't anything comforting to us. Yeah I think it is appropriate to have some defensive military buildup...or just get a big nice foreign military base installed in the Chaco.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Conqueror
Aug 24th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can I play too?
My shot
-51.692023160878236, -57.82397647739259
Sunk!
Your turn now.
Oh! Wait a minute Conquer seems there is a real war to fight against Paraguay (with USA support) in partnership with Brazil.
Can we play later?
Another work of manipulation from Mercopress. Shame on you!. I Think that Think (#25) outlined very well what she really said. She never did mentioned that vulgar word “Falk....”.
Aug 24th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paraguay, why not apply for membership to Nato. safe then!
Aug 25th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 Another bit of revised history? Did Uruguay not request Paraguay to intervene? And your evidence that the U.S. is behind the impeachment of Lugo? Please note that I have requested evidence. If you know the meaning of the word. Not propaganda.
Aug 25th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@37 Ugh!
@41 Yuk!
@45 No! I don't have time for children. Just do what you usually do and play with yourself. Or in the traffic!
@48
Aug 27th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0aka Captain Poppy....
Go to Hormuz, the sooner, the better!
@ 48
Aug 28th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK Queen = rubbish bloody vagina neck = Conk
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