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The world infested with the “ghosts of a trade war” warns Argentina ambassador
The Argentine ambassador to the United States, Jorge Argüello, warned that the world is infested with the “ghosts of a trade war” as he witnesses the protectionist measures applied by developed countries. Read full article
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Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0¡Como siempre, un reglamiento para Argentina y otro para todos los otros paises del mundo!
Pot: Kettle.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0One (for one) good turn, deserves another :-)
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is that Argentina is the World's top protectionist country and has more trade disputes running than any other country in the World.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0As always, the whole World is sided against Argentina.
all the world will need of Argentina soon!! you can be sure!!!
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said Mr Ambassador
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is such a goofball!! Argentina really needs to put someone in place that is respected and can get 5 minutes with State or Prez. This guy can't even find the building! If I was CFk I would try to get this settled before Romney takes over.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny how they keep bringing up 2011 imports when it's 2012 when all the problems started...pretty convenient huh?
more spanish “Shit-chat” from The land of the Dribbling Tards , words no matter how twisted and ineffective is all RGs have and will ever remain, the world is waking up to Argentinas joke of an existence and its fooking great!
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SELF-DETERMINATION!! ITS ALL GOOD!! :)
Has anyone noticed how in the prior 8 replies there was not a NANOgram of self-criticism?
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You wonder why they went from 1st world nations to have beens in about 5 years?
7# which years import fiqures would you care to use yankeeboy,the 8 month year when the USA and the EU got more protectionist?
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, In civilized countries you can go to the Customs web pages and have all the rules and codes there to import your products. As long as you meet all of the qualifications there are no problems to import.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But in your backward, frontier, people's republic you have 1 person who can say whether a product is allowed to be imported or not. Usually with a gun on this desk to tell you the prices to charge once it gets there and a bag of U$ to get your products in.
Do you see the difference?
@9
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Has anyone noticed how in the prior 8 replies there was not a NANOgram of self-criticism?”
That's because they're commenting on the story, why should they anyone indulge themselves by replying on the comments section of a specific story with something that is off topic?
Yuleno, what are the exact protectionist measures that you refer to, in contrast to argentina not being a protectionist measure?
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Captain, Don't you know the import restrictions on poison lemons is causing an severe economic downturn in Argentina. Severe!
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A little aside...tourists in Brazil are getting 8/1 for the peso. They're lucky they are getting that I imagine...
So anyone think 10/1 by Christmas? Or will we see Patacones first?
This is just well calculated, brazen rule breaking.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RG knows that WTO rules will take a couple of years to kick in, so there is a long feedback delay from implementing protectionist measures to receiving the reciprocal measures.
RG can therefore improve their trade balance (as is happening) and then when the reprisals come to a head, revert the policy and play by the rules again. Once the disputes are resolved, repeat the process.
The WTO circuitry needs some fine tuning to avoid this.
@11
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet you didn't answer my direct question.
@12
The title of the thread is: “The world infested with the “ghosts of a trade war” warns Argentina ambassador”
All you managed to do is yammer at Argentina. Even if you hate the man's guts, he still has a point. The EU and USA are very proteccionists (I would say USA < Europe < China). For them to whine about a frontier 4th world economy when it was YOU that destroyed the world economy is pathetic!!
16. I did answer it. The alleged trade barriers your idiot Prez and Ambassador are talking about are IMAGINARY.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you follow the rules the USA would be very hard pressed to keep out any products as you can see by our TRILLIONS in ANNUAL IMPORTS.
You have certainly been brainwashed well!
@17
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes and the almost incomparably larger AND cheaper range of products one can buy from around the world in the shops in the US/Europe etc compared to Argentina's.
18. He has no idea, they don't even sell peanut butter in Argentina any longer and all the USA expats are complaining.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The USA should bring up peanut butter every time these boobs bring up lemons.
BTW it was announce that there is now going to be a 50% tax on any products over $300 ( U$ 46) bought in the exterior and brought back to Arg when traveling.
No more Ipads/phones/laptops/tvs/clothes brought home from the USA. Rgs will be back to the dark ages soon enough.
Bahahaha
10 billion surplus and possible 12 billions is good for Argentina too bad the WTO doesn't want Argentine's to live better then europeans, WTO bias racist stand always shows their true colours. Changing the Argentine peso for Gold coins will leave all this racist bastards eating dust for the next 100 years.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The mounting complaints to the WTO by countries over the trade restrictions made by Argentina are a testimony to the policies made by the Kirchner reich, instead of taking responsibility for their acts they deflect and blame others, can all these countries be behind a conspiracy against Argentina as desperate trolls will have you believe, or is the reality as simple as “argentinas protectionism” coming home to roost?
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way well done Colombia, with your jump in economic ranking.
Argentines using Amazon, eBay targeted by tax rule
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MICHAEL WARREN | September 3, 2012 11:50 AM EST |
BUENOS AIRES, Argentina — Argentina's tax agency has imposed still more rules on purchases outside the country.
New regulations effective Monday apply a 15 percent tax to purchases using online sites or debit cards. Credit cards were subject to similar measures issued Friday. Now all purchases of any kind using the financial system must be fully reported to the tax agency.
The goal is to compare purchases to customs declarations, and apply stiff fines or even criminal charges when they don't match.
Many products can't be found in Argentina due to import restrictions, currency controls and soaring inflation, so consumers use Amazon, eBay and other sites and arrange for travelers to bring the purchases in their suitcases.
Now consumers may think again before smuggling in anything from maple syrup to iPods and digital TVs.
Bahahahahaaaaa...maple syrup hahahahhaha
When will the smart Rgs (if there are any) take back their country?
Principally,poppy the subsidising of agriculture.But there are other ways and other countries affected by unreasonable stipulations on the import of goods.You want to pretend that these methods are not protectionist?
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An interesting op/ed piece from an economist living argentina.......probably a fugitive now.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://notparis.com/2012/08/29/when-life-gives-you-lemons-cry-to-the-wto/
They are no mow laptops anywhere in argentina. Friend of mines died.....the geeks tend him thats that. They can get desktops though.....for now.
The wine country better start blowing glass and making corks or Melbec will be bottled in plastic and bags and renamed Maddog 20/20
Captain, there was an article earlier this week saying that Argentine bottle wine was no longer profitable to sell and they are not selling mostly bulk wine. So they really don't need to worry about corks any longer.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great find on the article btw.
we really dont know what argentina is complaining about,
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0either you pay the going price, or you dont,
same for selling,
you reap what you sow.
@5 At what point in history would the world be crying out for anal, belligerent, cheating, depraved, egoist, foolish, greedy, hubristic, impotent, jelly-backboned, kleptomaniac, lachrymose, mendacious, necrophiliac, oleaginous, pusillanimous, queer, rancid, scrofulous, thieving, unwashed, vicious, worthless, xenophobic - you get the idea - morons? The only possible purpose (?) for argieland is something to be held up so that the world can see what an imploded cesspit looks like!
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 That would be “Well said, Mr Sh*te for Brains!”
@9 That's a joke, right? Have you not yet understood and accepted that your cesspit is down with the rest of the dregs? Belligerent, dishonest, greedy, mendacious, whining. That's argieland. When, or if, you tossers finally recognise your attributes and, at the least, attempt to mend your ways, someone might attempt to discuss things with you at an intellectual level only slightly less than their own. For the time being, you are nowhere near. At your rate of progress, you might get somewhere by the 24th century!
@16 Of course he has a point. Just not sure whether you're referring to the shape of his head or the shape of his mouth when he pouts though! See whether you can understand this. Does the U.S. “need” lemons? If it doesn't, even you ought to be able to figure out why the U.S. doesn't buy argie lemons. Then, the U.S. is a beef-producing nation. Why would it want contaminated argie meat? And I'm talking about the “veterinary drugs” you lot use that are banned in Europe and the U.S. Because they are unsafe if consumed by humans. Therefore “we” don't want your stuff. Get your act cleaned up. “Over here” we have a very simple saying that you might want to take on board. “The customer is ALWAYS right!”
@20 You are, demonstrably, sub-human!
@23 “We” are protecting ourselves against sub-standard crap. What's wrong with that? Face it, the real problem is that “we” have money and you don't. Get real!
This Countray ( Argentina) is a really a shittttt whole shitttttt. Stupidsssss
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yuleno....for one, farm subsidies have been in American budgetary lines for many years long before there was a global economy. That is not going to change just because someone want to sell in this country.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for stipulations on imports of argri goods, are you suggesting that we in the USA lower the standard on imported products, the same standards we use on our domestic goods in order to allow you to compete?
Lol there's crazy and there's an Argentine.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the dictionary under 'crazy' the definition should be one step below being an Argentinian......
Ultimately the argument with the WTO is not one Argentina can win, Pyric defeat at best.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However worth a shot if it buys some time.
Argentina should be a wealthy country under the current trade system, what difference would changing it make if you can’t fix Argentina first.
This is what we hear when CFK and minions speak of lemons:
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uklF7VtqJq8
#22 last time I traveled in North America, my lighter and water bottle was taken from me the two things I would of needed to survive if the plane crashed to the ground and no Yankee seem to care, if caring for this issue in Argentina is not racist and bias i don't know what is. The 13% taxes I pay on everything I buy in Canada doesn't aggravate Canadian nor US citizens who gladly come pay the tax and border fees no problem. Why do we have dubble standards in the english speaking community??, is it because we can travel to poor nations without paying so much tax and prostitute their children?? Or do we truly care for them?? Keep an eye on the english man Whatch what they do and care not for his word.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Internal Revenue Service (IRS), the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) connected with Operation Fast and furious. Selling automatic weapons to mexican drug cartels.
As many as 200 U.S.-trained Mexican security personnel have defected to drug cartels to carry out killings on both sides of the border and as far north as Dallas, Rep. Ted Poe, R-Humble, told Congress on Wednesday.
The renegade members of Mexico’s elite counter-narcotics teams trained at Fort Benning, Ga., have switched sides, contributing to a wave of violence that has claimed some 6,000 victims over the past 30 months, including prominent law enforcement leaders, the Houston-area Republican told the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
The slaughter has gained urgency amid high-profile assassinations of law officers in Mexico since May 1, claiming six senior officers, five of them with the federal police
Www.sadhillnews.com/tag/project-gunrunner
The reason Argentina needed to import more is because its domestic supply is crap in terms of quality and the financial viability of it's producers.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is being a dick head an essential requirement to be an Argie diplomat.
Poppy
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You answered both questions
1/we have always done it
2/the government will decide if people should have the choice.
Where is your sense of freedom today.
Notparis is obliviously the type of stuff you read.Onesided,biased and re-enforces the beliefs you have subconsciously absorbed,believing it to be knowledge.I have heard what you said(sic),will you now tell me why the USA and the EU should continue to subsidise agriculture,when the blog you highlight addresses the same issues.Put the prices of your agricultural produce to the true price and stop coming the big man.
So you are saying that the USA and EU should stop doing what was done before there was a global economy, helping farmers and maintaining stable food prices in our own respective markets, without collapsing the industry as argentina did with capped oil prices; all this so south america can trade there? I don't think so mister. And do you think every industry in argriculture is subsidized? Do you even know the levels and what type of subsidies that are? You do understand disaster and conservation subsidy?
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that is what you believe is protectionism, what to do call shutting down virtually all imports as argentina has done? In the USA, imports have increased annually by 5 to 10% a year with the exception of 2009. 2011, we had 2.2 trillion in imports and that's about 15% of our GDP. Tell me what % argentina imports of their GDP, or any other sa country? Or tell me the growth or contract rate of imports in sa countries? I would hardly call that a protectionist market. Someone in increasing trade with the USA.
While you can assume what you wish by my links, but I read everything from liberal to conservation rags and everything in between to form my opinions.
This I ask to you Yuleno:
1-What is the global rate of increase in argentinas overall imports?
2-What percent of argentinas GDP is imports?
3-Will you really tell me the there are no bare and emptying shelves in argentina? Don't think I haven't been or do not go there.
4-Do you deny nestor's actions on beef exports?
Captain, Yul is an old commie don't get sucked into his idiotic arguments.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the end there is nothing Argentina can sell the USA that is better and cheaper then we have on our own or can get somewhere else.
He is just pulling your chain.
LOL Argentina begging WTO and IDB for loans! I thought you didn't need Western cash?!!!! ROFLMFAO forever @ argentina!
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW, guess who provides all that yummy loan cash? USA/UK/EU....you know, your “enemies” ROFLMFAO!
Also, if you don't pay up what you owe to China soon, you may even make an enemy out of them ROFLMFAO!
Yes I thought he was just a socialist. Though he is not as astringent nor belligerent as the others and his insults are neatly and quietly embedded in his verse. I am sure he knows he is on a slippery slope that the south american rulers guided them to.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is told what to say
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely desperate assholes here, re-read your responses full of hatred, ignorance and stupidity.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will keep subsidizing it's industries just like the USA and EU do theirs. Tough luck, we don't import your unhealthy, steroid infested food anyway.
I think TTT is hit the bottom the hardest though.....or his coach
Sep 04th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm flattered to think that people who do not necessaryily agree with each other,feel connected in defence of the USA's protectionist behaviour.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The effect of its protection of its agricultural industry has a serious impact on other countries of the world.If people do not like calling it protection,what other practises are there that they call by a different name,eg the protection given to General Motors.
@42
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enough racist. That's all you have left, racism... like the rest of the lot here. You are a disgrace to your families (if you have any).
TTT use the logic and connect the racism for me. My wife's a portena you foolish child. But please, connect the dot's so I can see the racisim. Critiquing south america does not equate to racism. I critique the USA just as much, only not with you or here.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The racist dots por favor!
41 Truth_Telling_Troll (#)
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina will keep subsidizing it's industries just like the USA and EU do theirs. ”
As long as the money lasts, TTT, only as long as the money lasts. I think the industrial subsidies are just about over now, it all depends on whether we can sell our commodities!!!!!
@45
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHHHH, you morons! So why then when I said I do criticize Argentina but not here was that not accepted?
Dissent stops at the shoreline. That is a good saying from the USA. As long as we have foreigners insulting us, attacking us, our way of live, our culture, our women, our children and the rest, then you can forget it, I'm 100% behind CFK, and that is what you idiots just simply fail to understand. You can't grasp the fact that Argentines will always side with an argentine overa foreigner. Get over it.
Chile exports 2.5 million tonnes of fruit / year, nearly 1 million tonnes go to the USA.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1970 Chile accounted for under 7% of southern hemisphere fruit exports now it accounts for 60%
Chile meets all Good Agricultural Practices (GAP) standards required by world markets, as certified by recognized international institutions.
The sensible way forward for Argentina must be to develop trade agreements and comply with international standards.
The current political stance of the RG government must be very frustrating for local producers.
Never heard that saying nor have I ever seen you state and repeat what I said. I can tell you this, I have nt that much national to say I like presidents of my country that were bad. But you still ignore my question?
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#48 Conforming to others standards in order to export goods makes more money than stomping your feet and demanding that the others change.
Let'em have it Mr. Embassador. Always welcome the asserted views from this man.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This a warning to all users: TTTroll has escaped from a nutters home, he gets on these forums, spouts a whole load of crap and racist remarks. So if you see him back, try to ignore him. Unless we can bring him into a trap and lock him up again!
Sep 05th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 050. Mr. Embassador....you are not from the USA. Unless you are severely under-educated. I'm guess an illegal living in Miami...
Sep 05th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 052 yankeeboy (#)
Sep 05th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 05th, 2012 - 02:21 pm
No a cyberK living in Buenos Aires!!!!!
What I find the most humorous is that he cannot get an audience with anyone in the US government, especially State, so he calls these innocuous press conferences. Only now the reporters are getting bored and no longer showing up.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good Mr Arguello should say “I ain't afraid of no ghosts”
Sep 07th, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0and encourage everybody to trade with Argentina.
Surely Argentina can create a Trade Ministry and a Marketing Plan or something to make things happen.
I think the solution would be for bright people to identify what Argentina has got that people might want, and then try to sell these things to them abroad at a prices these foreigners are prepared to pay.
Are there such people, such things, such markets?
I know ghosts can be pretty scary, but surely Sr. A has got a proton-gun. Cross the streams, Sr. A, and see what happens.
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