Two out of three Argentines reject the proposal of reforming the constitution opening the way for a third consecutive mandate for President Cristina Kirchner, according to pollster Poliarquía Consultores and published on Sunday in Buenos Aires daily La Nacion. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI think the Argentinian people are being very short sighted here.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0A populist president who is no longer popular.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0She's now run out of tricks regarding The Falklands to wow the great unwashed.
More worryingly, the other third are potty enough to want her back!
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can only bang a drum so long before you put a hole in it, and then the music stops.
@3 Yeah but CFKC has kept her supporters poor enough to need her handouts and gifts to keep voting for her.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't 2/3 of the population being opposed a majority being in favour?
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0INDEC maths at it's finest...
What a pity.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0For every scrotum necked cloud there is a massive silver lining.
CFK's bullying of the Falkland Islands has AT LAST awoke FIG out of their long hibernation to tell the world their side of things and also has made FI supporters examine the history (rather than accept carte blanche Argentina's crap )which has discovered Argentina's dogma is shot full of holes.
As a result of Argentina's hostility the Falkland Islands are gaining more (not less supporters, and more reason to suggest why they should not consider becoming part of a country that has to buy votes.
Though hopefully there will be elected, a pragmatic Argentine president who has not been brainwashed at school with misleading and innaccurate history based on inherited Nazi dogma(ie Peron, Hitler's buddy).
Wonder what the Argentinian glove puppet BK......thinks?
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely this cannot be ....The beautiful fragrant Cristina not wanted.
They are obviously stupid or have no idea what they really want and so .....lets shaft the constitution suspend democracy and give ugly cow another term.
Yeah...problem solved.
Chuckle chuckle
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Sep 03rd, 2012 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0The lack of oppostion and this latest twist in democratic values will allow the ruling regime another term, if she is serious about the new voting terms then to show transparency the changes if applied should take affect after the upcoming election and not a ploy to gain her more votes in the short term.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it still Democracy, when the ammending of the vote is to allow the bought populist to vote and to gain unfair advantage for the K reich.
strange how yet another megalomaniac has championed the deluded militant youth in a last throw of the dice, and as i remember that didnt turn out to well for Hitler
Personally i hope she stays, nobody does economic,diplomatic and social demolition quite like the K model :)))
she will always get my vote, on comedy value alone!!
”her intolerable “arrogant character”. You don't say!
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0for happiness kelper .. kristina rereelection!!! :)
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BK for president!
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I made the mistake to vote for her, it won't happen again.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All you peronist pricks needs to die and hopefully all of this will die with her.
Conqueror what happened with you? You are quite moderate today What happened with you? Did you get tired of playing the batleships? Have you sank all the Argentines ships found? I like to read your insults and vulgarities ... somtimes it's fun !!. I miss you !!!! Come back Conqueror !!!!
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But Fabian Perechodnik analyst from Poliarquia warns that experience shows ‘Kirchnerism’ has a great communicational capacity to overturn in its favour even adverse public opinion
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its called being right. And pointing out the quality of the opposition. If 2/3rds don't want her to have a 3rd term, fine, don't vote for her. But why restrict her right to stand and the rights of her supporters to vote for her. And I think come the election whether the Kirchnerist candidate is Cristina or someone else - Timmerman would be a great choice imho, or Alicia, or Kicillof - I predict they'll win. Who else can - Macri the crook, Scioli the Menemist etc?! And remember when Cristina won last time with 54% of the vote it was another left party that came 2nd - the right have a long way to go and I don't think they'll make it =)
What is it with Argentines and their seemingly genetic pre-disposition to inflicting themselves with crackpot dictatorships under any name or guise?
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The National Constitution sets limits to Governments to avoid having power groups ruling the country for decades. It's a basic concept in any repuclic.
I understand that you might not have great respect for the National Constitution but there is no any real reason for changing the it except a new CFK reelection and his coronation as Queen of Argentina.
I remind you that the Head of Government of Buenos Aires won the election for more than 60% of the votes.
Furthermore, only a teenager lacking political conepts can define a Peronist government as leftist. Peronism has ever been and still is basically populist conservatism with little attachment to constitutional rights and obligations.
Please do not scare off the British people (or people from the FI) that read articles of this site with your fascist and populist arguments.
Just respect the law and the Constitution !!!! quite easy
The Argentine government is scary enough as it is... they are already using their warships aggreesively against the FI:
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.penguin-news.com/index.php?option=com_flexicontent&view=items&id=417:argentine-warship-harasses-fishing-vessels-in-falklands-waters
Don't mind Timmerman. He's one of ours.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how ironic how the regime fernandez oppsed in the 70s, is starting to resemble her rule, day by day. they clung to power too.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0somethings never change, unlike Argentinas Falkland history
SELF-DETERMINATION!!
---and personally her intolerable “arrogant character”---
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not just her but the whole lot of them. Boudou, Timmerman, Moreno, A Fernandez et al.
Lol and whom do they want as president when there is no candidate, I hope someone like videla and galtiery takes power and shows up in malvinas over the weekend, it was a real shame that CFK didn't get a nuclear defence program going nor did she mine the sea around Malvinas Argentina two out of three Argentines will love to set mines around Malvinas Argehtina, or set up a fishing fleet in the Antarctic circle as Europe fishes in the artic circle.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15 What's with your list? A slag, a fag, a hag or a lag. This is your idea of choice? Argies would do better to approach Britain for the loan of members of the Official Monster Raving Loony Party. At least they aren't corrupt!
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pirat Hunter,
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a childish and immature person. How old are you? 15, 16 years old?
You are the kind of person who makes your countrymen feel ashamed of you and of being Argentine.
The majority of Argentine people would despise your stupid coments.
I hope CFK would ever think about doing something stupid with FI again, so she would have to be face to face with a stronger one. Unfortunately, she is not so stupid..so she prefers to steal poor and unprotected own people and leave the country in ruins again.
@22
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0videla and galtiery as tourism is booming im sure he would be very welcome, but as a visitor only and no pesos they have enough toilet paper, and no early morning jogging with a tv crew.
mines around The Falklands, nuclear defence is this your way of making peace with The Falklands, your charmer you!
can i just ask how do you know 2 out of 3 people would use violence against The Falklands, did you ask the entire Tard population or just in your cell??
22 lives in a dream world.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but this will be for the argie people to decide.
@22
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You would probably end up blowing your own ships up, we all know your technology is about 50 years behind ours. You are a little insane actually! Anyway back to Crustina, is this how dictatorships start?
#22
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A good idea ! We could really finish the job started in 1982 - with a vengeance !!!!!!
HAhaHAhaHA
any more pearls of wisdom or are you a one trick pony ?
Bunch of stupids CFK Group :)
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 PH
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We know that you are living in Ontario, Canada, yet you say you are an Argentinian.
my family left Argentina...
How old were you when you left? You said indignantly, that you know what it is like to live in Argentina because you lived there.
Were you an adult or a child?? Did you ever live in Kirchnerist Argentina? Did you ever have to earn a living for your family there?
Or, did you grow up safely in Canada with a stable government and economy?
Aren't you grateful for the free high-quality, education you received here, and the free and reliable medical services?
Are you a Canadian citizen, now?? You do know that an applicant for Canadian citizenship is also pledging an allegiance to Canada's society and it's people.
Are you still living at home? Do you have ANY experience making a living for yourself as an adult??
You have a lot of opportunities here, yet you seem to be inexplicably angry.
Are you frustrated for some reason?
You seem to have trouble keeping your temper. I have to wonder, do you have a Criminal Record?
You have said that you wish you could return to Argentina.
What is the problem?
If you are not prevented from travelling by a Criminal Record, then it must be that you CHOOSE not to return, for some other reason.
Nobody in Canada would stop you from going...
Let's for the sake of the argument say Christina doesn't get to run for elections. Maybe menem or macri can save them and end up with another 2001 caserolaso in the dark without electricity in the whole of Argentina, not to mention the whole of national security in the hands of foreigners who only care for profits, and a system prone to corruption. Without CFK even Maradona can end up as President, or let's say democrats go out by force and the galtieri or vidella like take power, we end up with Argentine corpses all over the land. The political arena in Argentina is starting to look a lot like Venezuela when the USA was trying to get rid of Chavez with no success. The reason was simple, no other good alternative and the two most popular political party had lost credibility. Argentina today is better then in the last 40 years and all thanks to the K's. There is no alternative to CFK, take my word for it I come from a long long family of UCR activist. And even i support her policy, a lot of what's CFK is doing are things that should of being done long time ago. But she would save a lot of head aches if she was to replace the peso with gold coins.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would like to see Jorge Arguello given the leadership role. He looks like a circus clown straight out of make-up!
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are plenty of politicians much better (and honest) than CFK who belongs to an old oligarchy of corrupt leaders.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did you get that one person, the cosen, could save an entire country? That is facism !!!
You ingored all of my comments about the partnership among the Peronist leaders to protect themselves from their legal offences, curruption and to vote each other's bills as senators.
You are a native american whose family participaed in the UCR? Quite strange !!!
With only 2/3 people against, the odds on her getting a chance at a third term probably improve.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still a week is a long time in politics, and this is probably still some years away.
@Prat Hunter
You should know that a “third term” for CFK really works for the Brits.
Wouldn’t want someone competent or believable arguing the Argy case in the world (that applies double for TinPotMan).
Also with the country “in ruins”, you’re no real threat to us.
But you don’t live there, so you don’t care if the place gets trashed.
Your concern for your country, and fellow countrymen, is underwhelming.
To be honest, its a pick from a bad lot it seems with CFK being the worst of the bad lot.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those who say Argentina is doing better than even conveniently forget most of that is from creating the biggest default in the history of the world and then enjoying the worlds growth and increases in commodity prices, not good management of the economy as we have seen now with the economic collapse Argentina is going through whilst suffering the worst relations with the global powers for a 100 years.
Essentially the K's got lucky for a little while and are now failing miserably.
#30 freedom keeps me here. Self determination keeps me here. Rights to live and work keeps me here. It's a choice no man can take from me in America from north to south we are free to roam, the lines that Europeans drew on the ground is for the white man not us. We being here long before your papers and laws where writen, and we will continue to be here long after you are gone, we are part of the land for us there is no other place but America. You will have to build walls around yourself to keep us out of our land. We are surely coming and there is nothing you can do or say. And be more discrete when talking to yourself, people will think you are a ex-con. Harassing or targeting me will get you nowhere trust me racist people are easy to expose.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#32 don't you like Maradona, menem, macri or galtieri??? Lol come on!
Word-CFK!! Pasala.
Pirat Hunter. Let me see if I understand. You have been writting against white people but those who reply you are racist?
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You still owe me the responso to some of my comments: the corruption of CFK, her partnership with past governments, the warnings sent by the UN to her about the ogiginal people human rights violation and the need to consider her as the choosen leader.
You are not a native person at all, it's quite easy to identify you. I usged you to stop with your charade that stops being funny to be pathetic
@Prat Hunter
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The lines that Europeans drew on the ground is for the white man not us.”
Is this your way of telling us you’re an “Illegal”(word for that in Spanish isn’t there), probably why you stay there, if you leave you might not be able to get back.
Read your own (so you claim) history, Inca, Aztec and Mayan empires all had boundaries just like all countries or empires.
If fact traveling around the pre-Columbian Americas would have been suicidal compared to today.
@36 PH
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#30 freedom keeps me here. Self determination keeps me here.
So, our society is good then, and you want to live in it.
But you have already stated that you would prefer to return to Argentina
LOL LOL
Oh, you have avoided all the questions too.
Good try, kid.
First day of school tomorrow, remember.
Early to bed
:-)
Good try, kid.
#34 But Cristina is the most credible, and her Argie case is completely different from the non-credible (and right wing!) Galtieri's, camaigning for talks rather than invading
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 Who would like to talk and negotiate with CFK?
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is she The most credible?
If so, why is Argentina close to be (again) the Risk Country World Cup champion?
Why was she not able to found another partner to invest money to take the oil out of the oil wells? (Please, note that I'm not talking about prospecting just to take oil out of wells of proven richness?)
Please, I believe that the FI belong to Argentina but I'm not such bad person to punish the islander in such a way. Being Argentine now, and being ruled, by CFK is simply an act of cruelty !!!!
Please, leave the islander in peace for a while !!!..in the meanwhile CFK might start taking care of the QOM people and stop violating their human rights.
Cristina is synonymous of corruption Argentineans are innocent victims of this power hungry corrupted president.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#37 I owe you something ?? Lol that's a new one.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#38 lucky us times have changed no Mohawk has asked me to go home. And I don't think labeling native Americans illegal will help colonists any. Unfortunately for you there is no Inca, Aztec or maya lines on the ground and the people don't persecute each other as Europeans do. Welcome to America.
What happens Mr. “Pirat Hunter”? I cant' believe that you refuses to answer my comments...
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yor still owe your oppinion about the following issues:
The corruption of CFK
Her partnership with past governments
The warnings sent by the UN to her about the human violation against original people (your people...)
The need to consider her as “the choosen” leader.
Don't be afraid, don't be shy...what could happen? just make a fool.
Let's for the sake of the argument say Christina doesn't get to run for elections. Maybe menem or macri can save them and end up with another 2001 caserolaso in the dark without electricity in the whole of Argentina, not to mention the whole of national security in the hands of foreigners who only care for profits, and a system prone to corruption. Without CFK even Maradona can end up as President, or let's say democrats go out by force and the galtieri or vidella like take power, we end up with Argentine corpses all over the land. The political arena in Argentina is starting to look a lot like Venezuela when the USA was trying to get rid of Chavez with no success. The reason was simple, no other good alternative and the two most popular political party had lost credibility. Argentina today is better then in the last 40 years and all thanks to the K's. There is no alternative to CFK, take my word for it I come from a long long family of UCR activist. And even i support her policy, a lot of what's CFK is doing are things that should of being done long time ago. But she would save a lot of head aches if she was to replace the peso with gold coins.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#44 I can't give you my opinion over accusations made by bias and corrupt sources. Doing so will allow you to build up theories based on innuendo. I don't know what warning UN sent CFK but here is the lastone printed in mercopress.
Praise for President Cristina Fernandez from UN World Tourism Organization
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/09/03/praise-for-president-cristina-fernandez-from-un-world-tourism-organization
Please, check these links:
Sep 04th, 2012 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://odhpi.org/2011/12/onu-duro-informe-por-situacion-de-indigenas-en-argentina/
http://odhpi.org/2011/12/onu-duro-informe-por-situacion-de-indigenas-en-argentina/
http://odhpi.org/2011/12/onu-duro-informe-por-situacion-de-indigenas-en-argentina/
This is happening NOW. Dont' blame Roca, Rosas or Sarmiento. Blame it to CFK !!!! this is the right face of CFK and her perfect government
@46 p-German
Sep 04th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0As much as you and I disagree about the Falklands, thanks for stepping in to point out to everyone the lies PH is trying to pass off as truth.
A few half truths, laced with Official, but unrelated web links and statistics is a common propaganda ploy.
Fortunately, you, me, Hepatia, Happy Canuck, ElaineB, and others can see this.
As valueless as PH posts are, its Important that his tactics are exposed to the rest of the audience here.
Other than that, while he winds everyone up, he will never be convinced.
Obviously, he is only interested in himself.
I agree with you too, he must be very young and possibly mentally ill.
With that in mind, I'm not going to bait him or bother to respond to him anymore.
That being said, I wonder if he is a Canadian citizen. I asked him already and pointed out that to accept citizenship it implies an allegiance to the society and people of Canada.
He has not answered.
Has anyone pointed out to him that the world does not owe him ANYTHING.
There are 7 billion others and nobody is owed a living.
Neither has he contributed anything to earn it.
The world is not fair
#47 I thought Hepatia was pro-Cristina? She's certainly a good socialist as her comments on Romney show
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0also read: Two out three Argentines will expect a visit from the tax inspector ;-)
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@38
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually it would have been much safer than travelling around pre-Columbian Europe. Don't flatter yourself, you are a continent of utter rabid savages.
Uh oh, CFK...
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kirchener's Oil Expropriation Backfires
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303640104577440540662290120.html
Looks like she really screwed up in many ways...
47 Troy Tempest
Sep 04th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prat Hunter is an illigal imigrant living in Canada, his real name being Alex Vargas, I have had many run in's with him on Facebook, where he openly admits to shoplifting and any other form of theft that will harm the Canadian economy.
In my opinion, he is mentally de-ranged with a massive chip on his shoulder and is best ignored.
@51
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And who the hell believes in the WSJ?? Do you believe in the Iraqui Minister of Info too?
So now its WSJ lies! Aren't you tired of looking stupid?
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WSJ = Fox news = has a corporate welfare agenda
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NYT = NBC = has a social struggle agenda
Same with Telegraph vs Guardian, Le Figaro vs Le Monde, ABC vs El Pais, La Nacion vs Pagina 12...
You don't have objective media in your country, nor does it exist in most countries. Just accept it an move on.
55. Hahahaha I smell desperation it is coming through the screen.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52 Ken Ridge
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 047 Troy Tempest
Prat Hunter is an illigal imigrant living in Canada, his real name being Alex Vargas, I have had many run in's with him on Facebook, where he openly admits to shoplifting and any other form of theft that will harm the Canadian economy.
In my opinion, he is mentally de-ranged with a massive chip on his shoulder and is best ignored.
Thank you, Ken.
Not surprising - he certainly let's everyone know he is completely amoral.
Any other I formation on him that can be shared?
I think everyone should know.
Where does he live?
I am assuming Scarborough Ontario
@56
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Facts, the fact you didn't muster one objection is enough proof.
#55 actually I agree with you about objectivity. However what we do have is the freedom of the press and the ability to critique, castigate, condemn and denouce the President of the United States, Congress of the United States and every agency in the United States without them fearing jailtime, 42 million dollars in fines and the need to seek political asylum from persecution from the government for disparaging them(the government).
Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50 Tobias
Sep 04th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Mohawks would have scalped PH, the Incas would have put him to work as a slave, the Aztecs and Mayans would have cut out his beating heart as an offering to their gods.
I grant you Europe at that time was at best marginally better, however my comparison was with today.
The blood of those “utter rabid savages” flows in your veins same as ours. It is just as much you historical legacy as it is ours.
@52 ken
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would seem that as an illegal,
PH is the real thief LOL
Please publish his Facebook link.
Is he Alex Vargas the self-styled musician?
YPF/Gazprom energy company reached a strategic accord
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2019064782_apltargentinarussiagas.html
@ 47 @ 52
Sep 05th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0same words..I received from you and all the rubbish bloody english people..ah!..their defensive tactics...are boring.
@63
Sep 06th, 2012 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=j0fywBbhvxo&NR=1
CFK doesn't need a change in the constitution leading to a 'third term'. She just needs a puppet Kirchnerite from the Left for one term, then she gets another 8 years.
Sep 07th, 2012 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0This would take her to about age 75.
This strategy would give her an extra four years to maximise her personal fortune.
The only problem might be if her puppet turned out to be better than she. The tactic is to choose a 'grey man' (like the way Lula gave the presidentship to Dilma).
It worked for Putin.
Of course there is always the 'Hugo Strategy'. The life-long presidency of a dictatorship under the guise of democracy.
The majority of the Argentinian public might like the way this is sold to them, and vote for it.
This could be the first authenticated case of turkeys voting for Christmas.
#62 A direct quote from the article:
Sep 07th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YPF announced NO SPECIFICS following the meeting in Moscow led by YPF President Miguel Galuccio and Gazprom board president Alexey Miller, but said the accord COULD lead to partnerships with the Russians in drilling for shale oil and gas in the South American country, as well as more supplies of Russian liquefied natural gas for Argentina's energy-hungry economy.
#65 Yes very astute Geoff...except as our resident Brazilian how can you possibly see Dilma as Lula's Putinist grey man!
Sep 07th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just for you BK:
Sep 08th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://m24digital.com/en/2012/09/06/controversial-video-of-a-rock-band-with-erotic-images-of-president-cristina-fernandez/
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