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Falklands’ referendum a “parody”: like asking the Argentines “if they want to remain Argentine”
Argentine Defence minister Arturo Puricelli strongly criticized the announced referendum the Falkland Islands government is scheduled to hold next March which he described as a ‘parody’ and “entirely lacking imagination and creativity”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI would have expected something better too... this referendum is a joke.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“like asking the Argentines “if they want to remain Argentine””
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0as an argentinian myself i can only tell arguello: be carefull what you wish for.
i would vote to remain argentinian, but i have serious doubts about the rest of us...hahaha
JB I was thinking the same thing! When I was living there the line to get a 2nd passport from Spain was a few blocks long...every day!
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0This so called“referendum” is nothing more than an order sent from London so PM Camoron can say after“I told you so”
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0London is having a hard time to explain to South America and the world why they still have a colony in 2012, 14000 km away and in Argentinean soil.
Have your selfdetermination ....in Britain.
@4 Tal cual! This referedum is pointless. They`re only showing they have no arguments.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am guessing from the brilliant posts above, CFK will have signs printed up that say “Referendums Lie!” and put them all over BA.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure that will work out fine...
Taking into account that Argentina has corruption, more than 1,000 points of Risk Country, more than 25% of actual inflation, a country with an international debt under default, retirement insurance looted by government and broken, a U$D 9,000 annual income per capita, a currency (Argentine Pesos) with not value att all and rejected by most of the population, prohibition to buy dollars (or any other foreign currency), 21% of VAT, no independent Judicial Power, “Cadena Nacional” every day, almost 40% of actual unemployment sometimes I ask myself.......Who would like to be Argentinian?..What's more.....Who would choose to be Argentinian? Mr. Puricelli, please, I suggest that you don't organize a Referendum in Argentina and ask us whether we would prefer to keep on being Argentinian or to choose another citizenship. It would be a risky business !!!!...without guaranteed results
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0#6 Not at all, better to have a referendum to change the Argentine constitution so she can continue to lead her people so marvelously =)
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0#7 So why do so many people do exactly that and chose to be Argentinian in one of the world's leading immigrant nations?
@4:
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here at Mercopress several people have explained over and over why the FALKLAND ISLANDS are not a colony. If you keep saying otherwise, you will only confirm beyond any reasonable doubt that you are either an idiot (if you believe the fascist Argentinian propaganda) or a lying scoundrel (if you don't). Besides, the louder you Malvinistas yell, the more intensely we Brazilians despise your vile and pathetic country. There is no solidarity in South America.
@ #8 British Kirchnerist
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“so she can continue to lead her people so marvelously”
Could you list the biggest of CFK's accomplishments that lead you to conclude that she is leading her people so marvelously? I don't hear about these, I only hear plenty of criticism. Tell me what her positive achievments have been as president.
This referendum iss not a parody it will show the world the will of the Falkland Islanders. With the exception of say of Argentina, Bolivia and Equador the rest of the world will accept the referendum result.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why is Argentine Defence Minister Puricelli so upset that Falklanders wish to remain British, just as Argentines wish to remain Argentine? This is a non-story about a silly remark made by a second-tier politician.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 010 he couldn't list any as she has none.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0#9
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0If almost 1/3 of the Brits in Malvinas believed a few years ago that they are a colony(rightfully so) is because Malvinas is a relic of British colonialism.
“On the other hand 27.5% thought we were still a Colony, 10% believed us to be a Dependent Territory and 5% thought we were a County. Not a bad result.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2002/09/30/how-much-do-islanders-know-about-falklands
'Falklands’ referendum '........is.......' like asking the Argentines if they want to remain Argentine'
Sep 04th, 2012 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Putridjelly got that right at least.... asking Falklanders if they want to remain Falklanders is like asking the Argentines if they want to remain Argentinians.
So we have a minister recognising the people of the Falkland Islands have no wish to become Argentine citizens. That's what we want isn't it? The Argentines finally admitting that the islanders are British and wish to remain so.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0It also shows the ignorance of this particular individual that he can't differentiate between the English and the British.
“If you ask the English if they want to remain English...”
Sep 04th, 2012 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0One would expect a better knowledge of History,Geography and politics from a senior Minister in the Argentine government-the 'English'????
Maybe a local junior school teacher could explain to Mister Puricelli that England has been part of the United Kingdom for over 300 years,that the people of the UK are BRITISH,that the majority in the Falklands are FALKLAND islanders and BRITISH by dint of their chosen free assciation with the UK. If he still doesn't get it then perhaps he the UK Defence Minister where to describe him as 'Spanish',he would possibly cotton on to the analogy? No?
Funny. Trying to make a nonsense of a question that hasn't even been written yet. They must be more worried than I thought.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0How about this for a referendum question?
“Q1 - Do you wish to remain a Non-Self Governing Territory under the Administration of the British Government as provided for by the Charter of the United Nations?”
From an Argentine viewpoint democracy as e.g. a referendum is “a parody that lacks creativity and imagination”.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Puricelli is absolutely right. To have a really imaginative and creative democracy, one must buy votes and the ballot boxes must be rigged, as demonstrated by the history of Argentina.
If Argentina were to assume sovereignity over the islands, they would become a TRUE colony, as the inhabitants are British who do not want to become governed by Argentina.
If the Argie government knows that the islanders want to remain British, why do they persist so much in the sovereignty dispute? This is the thing, it goes to show they know the islanders' wishes, don't care for them, and just want the territory and will not take the people into account one bit when attempting to get the islands. Pretty sick.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt it is a silly referendum, but nontheless I think brings attention to their point of view, fine with me.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0No Argentine would choose another nationality, that would be a stupid question too.
@ 14 Marcos Alejandro
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If almost 1/3 of the Brits in Malvinas believed a few years ago” (September 2002).
During the corralón, wasn't it?
The islanders were so disturbed by the suffering of the Argentine people, that their minds were muffled.
@20 Exactly. Many of the Falkland Islanders can trace their ancestry back for generations. What does Argentina think should happen to them? Force Argentinean nationality on them? Have them moved off the island perhaps? We know what Argentina's line says, they are an implanted population and so they don't matter - but they were 'implanted' before Argentina even existed, so that argument is nonsense. If the question is framed correctly, then all but the most rabid of Malvinistas (or the most desperate of Argentina's politicians, looking to distract the people) will accept the result and move on.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Implanted? On what? British territory since 1765 - that's what.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now where was Argentina in 1765 ??
Simian marcos,
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0“and the world”?????????????????
Now you are just lying, which given that you are an RG is of no surprise.
Hows your worm farm doing?
What this referndum will do is dispell Argentine propoganda that the Faklanders wish to be ruled from Argentina.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have no doubt that it will clearly show what the Falklanders desire - that they wish to remain British and to maintain their links with the UK.
It will also show that if Argentina was to gain control of the Islands, that they would be invaders and occupiers, ruling against the wishes of the locals.
@26
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good, and we don't want to be ruled by Britain. So could you please tell the FI government to stop complaining that we don't want to cooperate in the South Atlantic with the islands or the UK, we like to keep our sovereignty to ourselves and not handed over to the Falklands or London. Thank you.
Ok Argies, what are you going to do about it? Ssssshhhhhh :-)
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you spineless cowards continue to cry and howl but decide to do nothing? We are constantly waiting for something more creative and imaginative from the Argies but all we ever get is their “chip on the shoulder”.
This referendum is the same that ask if the cats meow, or if the deads don't breath. It is ridiculous!!
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah the man who told the world that if it wasn't for the presence of the British military Argentina would've already invaded the Falklands, is now telling the world that democracy doesn't matter.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0But then again, Mr Purcelli (nice native Amerindian name that, JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA) this referendum is to show the world what the Falklanders want, and will show the Argentine government up for what it is. An aggressive imperialistic coloniser and hypocrites.
The world will know that the Falkland Islanders have a voice and the right to determine their own future and status, no matter what Argentina or indeed the UK wants.
For those that manage to find ways to miss the most obvious point this is a simple re-affirmation to the world that these people want to remain British in the face of the most disgusting and ridiculous propaganda coming from Argentina.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0The funny thing the defense minister does is question the intelligence of the English whilst in the same breath not be able to use the correct name of the nation which represents the Falkland's.
Let me spell it out to you, you absolute simpleton, the Falkland's are represented by the British not the English.
It seems its too difficult of a concept for his poor little brain to grasp. No wonder these these Argentine's in power are a laughing stock.
i think the idea is to show the world what exactly the FI future holds
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0and most probable it will show they wish to be a BOT for the foreseeable future
They obviously have to remain a BOT in the face of the outright aggression by Argentina.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know if they weren't protected by the might of the British military Argentina would be there in 5 minutes declaring it their country, you know CFK is all about political stunts to cover up for the countries economic collapse.
It's a shame it has to be this way but Argentina doesn't do reason or respect.
@33
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well learned from the British, I may add.
It's not for Argentine consumption, we realise democracy is a spurious term to you, it is for the consumption of the wider world.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the islanders and the brits call the place the falklands, after a viscount falkland, a british nobleman. Argentina calls the place the Malvinas, a mispelt version of the french name Maloines, named after the french port of St.Malo, Malo being a british saint. Britain wins on all fronts and will win the referendum which should counter the argentine rhetoric on the will of the islanders. 3 - 0 to Britain me thinks.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0He claims that the Argentines want to remain Agentinian but where is his evidence. If it was me, I personaly wouldn't want to live in my ancestral homeland surrounded by the descendants of the Spanish & Italians that murdered my people implanted there. Give a referrendem to the native peoples of Argentina, they may wish to return to their pre War of the Dessert nationality.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares what the defence minister of a failing marxist country thinks anyway ? If Argentina were a modern , stable , forward thinking and progressive country , the Falklanders would vote overwhelmingly to become part of it .
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0If a similar referendum were carried out in Argentina asking : “ Do you want to remain independent or become the 51st state of the USA ?” At least 45% of the country would vote for Union with the US . FACT .
Who really wants to be part of a country were people are literally in the northern provinces of Chaco and Santiago del Estero while the president's personal fortune grows by 3000% ?
I am amazed at the amount of publicity in Latin America the Referendum has had so far, a very positive start for the referendum.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0But the next stage could be a turning point; the wording of the question.
Puricelli has just stated Argentinas reaction to the expected wording and voting options ‘a parody and entirely lacking imagination and creativity’.
Maybe its time for the islanders to prove them wrong?
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/08/31/faklands-referendum-planned-for-march-south-american-observers-to-be-invited
@38
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you are confusing Argentina with the UK...
Oh wait, you already are the 51st state.
FACT.
hahahahahaha, take that you pathetic wanker.
(no absolutely not even 5% of the people would vote to become part of another country, keep dreaming and tossing completely unsubstantiated crap)
On the other hand my commentary above is known the world over. Sucks to be you I guess.
Well logically speaking, if the Argentines are right that the Falkland Islanders are being held hostage then it can be in no way obvious what the outcome of this referendum will be, So long as it is overseen by impartial observers recognised by the UN then it will at the very least demonstrate that they are what they are by their own free will. The fact that Argentina will ignore this and carry on with their ridiculous claim regardless will only show their own contempt for the islanders, the British, the UN, for international law and the reality of the situation.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf by some very strange quirk, Falklanders voted to become part of Argentina(l did say “strange”!)would Puricelli call the referendum “entirely lacking in imagination & creativity”, would he say the referendum was useless?
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0No- he would embrace it with both hands.
The man is an idiot & a liar too.
Rest easy, Argentines, we have no desire to join you. Are you estatic now, Tobias?
@42
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Good, and we don't want to be ruled by Britain. So could you please tell the FI government to stop complaining that we don't want to cooperate in the South Atlantic with the islands or the UK, we like to keep our sovereignty to ourselves and not handed over to the Falklands or London. Thank you.”
Not one Brit here has supported this motion. Telling.
Arturo Puricelli is the same guy that only a few months ago said the islanders are being held hostage by the british military. Now hes saying, that the islanders will vote to remain british because they are british, just like argentinians would vote to remain argentine. Lol this deluded idiot has made a complete fool and hypocrite out of himself to the international community and shown argentina for what they really are.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0TTT : I doubt you have ever set foot in Argentina . You know sweet FA about the place .Were you in BA last night when KFC's speech on all terrestial channels was drowned out by the cacerolazo ? RG's know a dictatorship when they see one , and they are being ensnared by one right now . You are due back in school next week , make sure you have all your crayons ready .
Sep 04th, 2012 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hold on aminute, i thought that the people on the Falklands are all RG's being held against their will?
Sep 04th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely the RG's should be over the moon and saying something like “finally we will see that all of the RG's being held hostage really want to be part of RG Land”.
Utter hypocrisy by the RG's.
@38 I understand that the requirement of the referendum is to send a message to those ignorant of or undecided on the issue of the status of the Falkland Islands within the UN context. This would be best achieved with a question that invites a single answer (a resounding Yes is often thought best but an overwhelming No directed at Argentina might do in this particular case).
Sep 04th, 2012 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0An observation though. Perhaps the question shouldn't include a description of the Islands as a “self-governing” as this would provide critics with an open opportunity to rubbish the result as well as the initiative - within the context of the UN you understand.
How about:
As an adult with Falkland Islander status, do you want to retain the constitutional relationship of the Falkland Islands with Britain as defined in the 2008 Constitution?
The referendum is being held to show to the world the wishes of the Falkland Islander. It will show the Argentine government propaganda for what it is. It also gives a voice to the people that actually matter.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine government refers to 'England' as this was the chosen 'enemy' by Juan Peron. To create nationalism you need a common enemy and 'The English' was the target. In part they were an easy target because they were the most successful immigrants and considered the elite. It is easy to whip up some hatred amongst the poor if one targets the wealthy. So, like all the other lies, CFKC's government must perpetuate the enemy as 'The English'. It makes them look stupid but they don't seem bothered by that.
If the Argentinian government think the referendum is pointless, why don't they ask the Argentinian people if they want to remain Argentinian?
Sep 04th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think that would be pointless, I think alot of people would highlight how dangerous they think CFK has become and that they would rather be part of a democratic state.
The whole Argentine government is living on a lie, based around their saviour Gaucho, who in fact killed his own men in an illegal settlement on Uk land. The UK removed the illegal settlement just as they had to do in 1982.
The people of the Falklands wish to remain a UK overseas territory, they are not forced to, and after the hundreds of years settled there, its their choice. If they wanted independence, they could have it, much like some of the other countries, but they should not be forced into any decision that is not their own, and certainly not one dictatated to by an agressive neighbour.
Perhaps a step towards peace would be stopping brainwashing children at school with false histories breeding a new generation of hate, when in fact peace is a better way forward.
If CFK had stuck to a peaceful settlement, they could be sharing in the oil revenues that will come from the Falklands, including the docking and other revenue from the ships, but due to CFK's stance on flagged vessels, they will miss out on that too.
Shame, perhaps its time to change the leader, maybe she wants a helicopter flight over the South Atlantic ;) or a trip to the Belgrano
Excellent, they have recognised an action taken solely by the Falkland Islands Government, so we are winning already and they are rattled, because the normal approach is fingers in ears la la la you don't exist :-)
Sep 04th, 2012 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Purelysilly is already losing the argument before he started, and he seems unable to distinguish between English people wanting to be English and Falkland Islanders wishing to remain British.
@46 you have a good point...
@50 FMcG
Sep 04th, 2012 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can't remember where I read it but one commentator observed that the one thing that Argentina fears is the Falkanders being recognised as a “people” as this pretty much blows their arguments out of the water. Forget about 1833 etc (even though we are sure of our position on this) - it is the here and now where the battle for hearts and minds should be taken
I would say that they are definitely rattled as they are calling the referendum a “parody” before they know the question that is being put to the electorate. Very odd!
According to news reports, an Argie warship was harassing fishing trawlers in FI waters this week. How to make friends and inconvenience people.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Puricelli said: “I think it is a referendum lacking imagination and creativity, I would have expected more from the English”. For a start it is not ”the English” who decided on and are planning the referendum, it is Falkland Islanders!
Sep 04th, 2012 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@53
Sep 04th, 2012 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0You only need to contemplate the Argentine claim for the Falklands to understand his appreciation for imagination and creativity.
@ 45 Usurping Pirate
Sep 04th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Were you in BA last night when KFC's speech on all terrestial channels was drowned out by the cacerolazo ?”
Cacerolazo en repudio a la Cadena Nacional - 3 de septiembre de 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGCwwn69-ak
Cacerolazo contra el abuso de la Cadena Nacional (Video 2) - 3 de septiembre 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGCwwn69-ak
Cacerolazo Barrio Recoleta 3 de Septiembre 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGCwwn69-ak
Puricelli is incorrect ... It is not like asking the Argentines if they want to remain Argentines ...
Sep 04th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is like asking the Patagonians if they would like to remain Argentine!
And he is a 'defence' minister ... good luck with that!!!
Amongst a number of candidates this man Puricelli is probably the biggest idiot in the Argentine Government.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0This just adds to his string of ludicrous statements on the Falklands (including recently the only reason the Falklands are still British is because of the UK defence commitment).
The question has not yet been set. How can it then be criticised as lacking imagination ? A referendum has the purpose of finding out in an ordered fashion what the people think on a particular question. Why does that need imagination ?
Sr Puricelli has lots of imaginative ideas; unfortunately most of them are pure fantasy. The man is bonkers.
“Sr Puricelli has lots of imaginative ideas; unfortunately most of them are pure fantasy. The man is bonkers.”
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0.....and yet he looks so friendly and personable..........
For all of you that seem to have a problem in defining why we want to have a referendum it is very simply that we want to tell the world and in particular Argentina that we want you all to recognise our right to have our Homeland remain British and that we are telling the world we are above all FALKLAND ISLANDERS who as it happens are of English decent and wish to retain our rights to choose the way we wish to live.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand Argentina is made up of many nationalities and really do not have any right to claim they are argintinian because unlike us who settled a barron land your lot killed inocent indigenous people and took their land for your own.
Dress it up any way you want but we will have the vote next year to confirm to the world we are a people that have rights to choose our own destiny.
I also believe that if given a democratic choice Minister Puricelli your people would surprise you with such a vote but because they are trapped in a dictator regime they fear for their lives if they speak out against their governmet.
My personal prediction is that 98% of people on the Islands able to vote will firmly wish to remain British the other 2 % will say no because they have Argentine conections because just like the good neighbours we are we allow Argentines to come and live and work among us.
Once the referendum is over the UN will have to recognize the people and abandon their silly little resolutions that Argentina and UK need to talk. Argentina, your silly little game is almost over and after that your only option will be to recover by force and until you figure out how to feed your soldiers more than 10 km from barracks you will fail!
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@60 Zhivago (#)
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said but don't forget. To 'recover' something, you would first need to have possessed it. I accept that Argentina did technically 'possess' the islands for a short time in 1982 but it was an illegal occupation and they were ultimately removed. If it is a 'recovery' from the 1982 situation that you refer to we had best keep our ears to the ground.
So, these are the people that the Falkland Islanders have to deal to with. These are the people who think that deciding your own future is a ‘parody’.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow!!! with an outlook like that, it's a wonder the Islanders haven't climbed over each other, wanting to become Argentinian!!!
This man is a joke, a childish sideshow, a clown. But then again, tell us something that we don't already know.......
Puricelli: “entirely lacking imagination and creativity”.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interessting!
This sentence says quite alot about Mr Purcielli and argentinian colleagues in government.
It's a FULL LINE confession, admitting that straight forward things (like asking the population what they want) and evident facts he considers not valid points. But cheating, lying and betraying, like Argentina is doing since all recent years would be “creative” and “imaginative” and assumingly a positive thing.
Wow... simply WOW!
wow the Trolls have been told to comment on this thread... funny the headline ''two out of three Argentines reject Kretina'' hardly got on troll comment. Oh to work for a un democratic political wing like Le campora
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0think it is a referendum lacking imagination and creativity
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0What does he think a referendum is? It a simple and international reconised way of asserting the right to self determination. What imagination is he refering to or does he just not udnerstand that the Falklads Islanders and the UK government do not need to use cheap parlour tricks like the Argentine government to decieve the world and its own people.
This is the same idiot who thinks Hong Kong provides a prescendece on the future of the islands whilst compeltly ignroing the hisotircal and geo-politcal situation.
A referendum should not be in anyway imaginative or creative it should be a simple decleration of the wishes of the people.
If, on the other hand he refersto the UK having to resort to a referendum as uncreative and lacking imagination then I would say it is only one part of a muti pronged case which includes developing links with Chile (who continue to provide practical support to the Islanders). just becuase we dont screama nd shout about it dosent mean it isnt happening. The UK government unlike the Argentine one doesnt need to make a circus out of absoutly everything in order to rouse feelings of patritsm.
As Antonia Bandaras said in a famous movie about one Argentine “Oh what a circus, oh what a show”
57 GALlamosa
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Amongst a number of candidates this man Puricelli is probably the biggest idiot in the Argentine Government”
Laughing boy Timmerman gets my vote.
I think he should be voted “Man most likely too” 2012
TreborDoyle (#56)
Sep 04th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'It is like asking the Patagonians if they would like to remain Argentine!
And he is a 'defence' minister ... good luck with that!!!'
.... or asking a man if he wants to stay male.
Some questions are more or less rhetorical.
Variations on the theme:
... asking the UK if they want their country to become a Muslim country,
... or asking a Shia majority if they wish to have a Sunni governance.
Re. 'good luck with that!!!'
Being Defence Minister in Argentina is - progressively - to defend the government from the people.
I wish the people more luck than the government.
toooldtodieyoung, being on opposed geographical locations we almost had the same thought written same minute. Guess it's a good indicator of global common sense, something that apparently has gone completely lost in Argentina.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny how Argentines believe in democracy when it suits them, but not when it comes the rights of others, that makes you a dictatorship, does it not??
Sep 04th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tell me trolls what are you going to say when invited multi nation independant observers call the democratic referendum legitmate,free and fair, it kind of blows your soverignty claim & your “Hostage” lie clean out of the water somewhat :)))) , i call it the Belgrano effect (both equally devastating to the Argentine cause)
such negativity and flipency towards the game changing Falklands democratic referendum proves one thing the planned vote has majorly ruffled Tard feathers and is already having an effect, leaving the selective(demodratic/dictatorship) Argentine republic reeling.
It is not in Argentinas interest for that referendum to go ahead, watch this space, their cogs are working overtime.
@16 this is the same man who stated a couple of weeks back that if it wasnt for the british military they would have the Falklands, other words they would have already ilegally invaded and forced their will on its population yet again ,
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/08/13/argentina-shows-off-jet-model-and-calls-on-uk-to-dialogue-on-falklands-sovereignty
@49 Argentinas “Dear leader” has the attitude of All or nothing, and nothing is what they ended up with, All the more for The Falklands who have it ALL :)))))
any charm argentina has applied to the falklands since 1982 has been shown for what it is, a simple ploy to influence them, however the discovery of oil and lack of patience got the better of Argentina and their true colors have been surfaced for a whle. They should never again be trusted !!!
looking at the feeble response from argtards they too know their game is up,
chuckle,chuckle
SELF-DETERMINATION, REFERENDUM, ITS ALL GOOD!!!
They are rattled by this referendum, aren't they?
Sep 04th, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps they have finally twigged that the UN can't ignore the Falklanders once the result is in.
Presumably, the Minister wants the English to say that they are Argentinian.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Monty Python could not have put it better.
Talking of Monty Python.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Check this out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002555582
Intresting experiment: Take each of the main imigration groups to Argentina (Spain, Italy, Germany) in that order and combine the information. Remind you of anyone??
@52 spooky soon as everyone ignored them and the Falkland fish protection ship turned up they we're offski........spooky old thing eh?
Sep 04th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xinhua news agency says “According to a local Argentinian newspaper, the referendum lacks validity as the residents are not the original inhabitants, but British immigrants.”
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So,what, we should ask the penguins?!
LOL! I wouldn't be to sure about that 100% vote to remain Argentinian.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's so funny listening to the Argies dismiss the result of this referendum before the result is in. This behaviour lacks credibility and displays a lack of a proper understanding of democratic principles. The Argies know any support they had will begin to drop away on the back of this result. All the UK has to say is that the Falklanders have exercised their democratic human rights and there is little any country can dispute against it, especially as it will be UN monitored. Good luck with your 'regional cause' dimwitted Argentines!
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70 any country who “alledgedly” calls themselves democratic will be called to practise what they preach and recognize the democratic referendum of the free population of The Falklands, otherwise these countries cannot call themselves a true democracy if they cannot even accept the basic democratic rights of others, democracy is recognizing all people with all rights, no exception regardless of argentine rhetoric.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That kinda leaves Argentina up shit creek without paddle, unless they admit the truth that they are still a dictatorship. :)))) which is it Argtards??
It could be quite easy to sort out the Argentine position. The government only needs to forbid Argentines from holding Joint Nationality and watch the reaction as Argentines relinquish their Italian, Spanish and even British passports. Or perhaps not............
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do not possess the intelectual threshhold to have a discussion with me.
My threshhold is the IQ of a toad.
You ramble from thing to thing without any coherent argument, your discoursive into “cacerolazos” had nothing to do with the point I was arguing with you. You are about as well-oriented as a camel in the rainforest.
I believe that duel nationality is only for those people you cannot trust most Argentines have them? It means that they can run off to where they feel better off. In other words they would run like rats from a sinking ship, which I think is not too far away.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These pests can be whatever they want, but it will always be on Argentine land, never forget!!!
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a major point missing from these discussions. I see the words, “Great Britain needing a referendum” . Sorry to dissapoint you Argentina but Britain did not sugest it. Falkland Islanders themselves want the world to know their wishes and it is the Falkland Islanders themselves who are planning and will run the whole show. Britain has always maintained it's position of not doing anything against the wishes of the Islanders. We Islanders are ready to stand up and show the world what we want. The outcome will be recorded for prosperity and like it or not the decission we make will be acepted accross the world with the exception of course Argentina who has never recognised our existance.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What ever the final outcome Britain will comply with our wishes.
The outcome will not stop Argentina but will let the whole world know what we want and that is what matters for us as Islanders.
Reminds me of the 10s of millions of rats the nations of Europe infested the other continents with, talk about the most cowardly and oxygen wasting 'humans' on Earth, in your nation's greatest times of need, you all bailed for the New World or the Antipodes.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That includes the Falklanders, who mercilessly commited genocide, and successful genocide, against an animal species, instead of co-existing with it, and then claiming the islands were “deserted”. That lack of any integrity is puke inducing.
The whole planet is still reeling from Brutish, Germs, Spannels, Itaflons, Frenchies, and the rest committing mass perfidy and pusillanimously abandoning ship in mass.
Enjoy that true history folks.
@81 The Falklands never was Argentine ,never will be, however do feel free to fill us on on the indigenous lands that argentina occupies? and The conquest of the desert? whats that about?? :)))
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can someone explain why it is OK to have Dutch Surinam and French Guiana on mainland South America, but its not OK to have a British Overseas Protectorate somewhere in the middle of the South Atlantic?
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@81 gustbury
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to talk about just land and not people then I would gently remind you of a plaque laid by the British back in 1776 laying claim to that piece of land
@85
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well it is not OK really, if I cared about I guess I would like to see alll those places nuked, but I don't care, and I for one am fine with people deciding what they want to be. Next.
@83
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't commit “genocide” against non-humans, that would be extermination. Genocide is what the proto Argies did to the natives.
“Brutish, Germs, Spannels, Itaflons, Frenchies” - IOW the average Argentine.
@88
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines are not European, keep lying to yourself that's all you got left to insult us.
“You can't commit “genocide” against non-humans, that would be extermination. Genocide is what the proto Argies did to the natives.”
Funniest quote of the month.
Looking at the picture in the article, I think someone's nicked Mr Potatohead's mustache.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reminds me of the 10s of millions of rats the nations of Europe infested the other continents
Sep 04th, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Including the vast majority of Argentines! I assume therefore all the Argentines from European derscent will ever be leaving Argentina or handing over power to the pre-columbian indians and then requesting their permission to stay.
No of course not becuase the borders of nations where locked in 1945 when the UN was formed. The C24 was then set up to allow those people still living under collonial occupiers to excersie their right to self dtermination. As no Argentine is currently living under collinisation (except possibly, a very few who live on Islands who as legal residents of the Islands will have voting rights in the referendum) Argentina can not demand the hand over of islands on a historical claim which pre-dates 1945. i.e. UN laws are not retrespective beyond 1945 as no nation could of foreseen the implimentation of the UN and its associated laws. TThe very fact that the islands are on the C24 list means the population in 1945 is reconised as a people and therefore have the right to self dtermination in the same way as every other terriotory on that list.
Puricelli states the result is a foregone concluion and I agree, however had Argentina taken a friendly non agressive attitude to the islands since 1945 (and therefore the implimentation of the UK) who knows what the results of the referendum would be. To hand over sovernigity and therefore subject the ppopulation to foreign adminisatrtaion aginst their will is the very defifntion of collonilsim and even if you do not agree with self determination it is not in the intrests of the population whcih has been stated as a condition of talks by every UN resolution and therefore the current Argentine tactic can never be succesful.
neither in Latam eyes are ok, however what makes The Falklands more of a verbal target is the territory it comes with (SG,SSI) there is a lot of resource to be found in them there waters, that Argentina so feverishly wants in its expanionist crusade in order to steal resources that dont belong to them, that is the main reason why it is now not OK for the Falklanders to be there,we are stopping their resource grab and their sole claim to the South Atlantic.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0who knows once this democratic referendum has concreted The Falklands recognized democratic right in 2013 the latams witch hunt could be focused on the Dutch Surinam and French Guiana.
So, in summary:
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An argentine Minister has admitted that the People of the Falklands Islands do not want to become Argentinians.
Therefore any seizure of the Falklands Islands, by any means, by anybody not the Falklands Islanders themselves, is colonialism ny definition.
Thank you Mr Argentinian Minister..
(what a numpti foo!)
@89
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentines are not European, keep lying to yourself that's all you got left to insult us.”
Are you going to use your usual tactics are throwing out random comments without a shread of evidence to back yourself up? The majority of the population of Argentina are from European descent.
Please see the following links:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2009/12/how-argentina-became-white/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2009/12/how-argentina-became-white/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2009/12/how-argentina-became-white/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2009/12/how-argentina-became-white/
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2009/12/how-argentina-became-white/
And that was the result of 5 minutes on google. These suggets the population of Argentine with European descent range from 65-86%.
@89 - “Argentines are not European”
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL! Yeah right Argentinians originated from Mongolia. Argentina is probably the whitest (97% Euro descent) nation in the Americas regardless of your opinion on the matter T³.
Long Live Scotland.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Republic.
@94, @95 Wasn't the term “emblanqueamiente” (“whitewashing”)
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who else thinks Argentine Defence minister Arturo Puricelli look like 'Count Von Count' from Sesame Street?
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/blogs/fun-with-numerical-dates
@96
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First of Scotland would not become a reupublic as they have stated they would continue to keep the Queen as the head of state. Go reserch the difference between a Republic and a constituinal monachry please.
Secondly if Scotland decides to break away from the Union in a fair and open vote then so be it. Westeminster government has never stated that they would not allow a referendum on the subject only that the question posed should be fair. I.e. Alex Salmon's current questions “Do you agree with us, that Scotland should be an independent nation” is what is called a leading question as it divides the two possible answers into a posttive response and a negative response which has been shown to influence the way people vote, i.e. people are more likely to select the positive response. The Westminster govenment (which includes Scottish MPs) has argued that the questions should read “Do you want Scotland to be an independent nation” this questions does not attribute the same level of guilt on a voter.
I hope and think Scotland will vote for the Union but if not then they are free to leave and set up on their own (as long as the take a proportion of the sovernign debt which has been incurred as a part of Scotland being a part of the Union)
83 Truth_Telling_Troll (#),
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual you accuse the europeans of inflicting the ship's or black rat Rattus rattus on the world, but for your information Rattus r. comes from tropical Asia, not Europe.
The movement of shipping throughout the world has spread Rattus r., but under no circumstances can all the blame be laid on europeans, the Chinese and Japanese had a large part in the spread!!!!!
@98 count lol, priceless,
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0both are irrational muppets but one can count to ten.
@54 Hans,
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's rights over the FI/MI have been the same since the british forces took control of them in 1833.
So, I would say that british rights over the islands are a result of imagination and creativity:
1) Discovery: At the very beginning british said that the islands were british due to discovery. It has been prooved that they did not discovered the islands.
2) Occupation: The first settlers were french. The british established on West F / Gran Malvina after the french established in East F / I. Soledad.
3) Prescription: Some used to say that the islands became british by prescription of continuos occupation since 1833.
4) Self Determination: Now they found this argument, but it is not so strong because of the full british status of the islanders. They were just “second hand” citizens of the empire that became after 1982 in full british citizens. They can't be “jugde and judged”.
So as you can see, the arguments claimed by Britain have been changing all the time. That shows the weakness of its claims. Sorry.
@99
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if Scottish were to opt for independence - a very logical choice that will a)convert them in the 6th economy of the world and b)reintegrate with Europe that Cameron's government betrayed - , why should they retain a middle ages institution like monarchy absolutely useless and expensive ?
“Are you going to use your usual tactics are throwing out random comments without a shread of evidence to back yourself up?”
Sep 04th, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you guys do it then?
#102 - British rights are as a result of facts.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Tha claim of first discovery was made in an age when much was kept secret although the British and Dutch tended to publish their own findings. But then who did first discover the Falklands - why, probably the Portuguese. After all, they told Magellan where he could find his Streight.
2) The French got there first, the British second and the Spanish third. The French relinquished their holding on East Falkland - which pushed the British into top spot.
3) Prescription works fine - after all, the Spanish, who maintained their claim until 1863, knew we were there but never once complained. They even came and saluted our flag in 1863.
Argentina was never in the game. And you should be sorry!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/103755318/Falklands-War-The-First-400-Years-PDF
@102 regardless of your attempts to somehow degrade the valid basic human rights of The Falklanders (which has always been argentinas aim) they have non-negotiable rights just like me and you and they are using them rights to hold their “OWN” democratic referendum based on their right of SELF-DETERMINATION!
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why are you so scared of the democratic rights of the Falklanders Argentina is a supposed democracy or is reality more like a Dictocracy???, or is it because you know that when they have passed a democratic referendum it will be recognized by the entire Democratic world once and for all? and any further attacks on the falklands will be an attack on democracy itself, i dont even think the Argtards will go FULL-tard on that one. :)
dont be scared of democracy embrace it then we can all be friends, sort of.
Sorry! But...... SELF-DETERMINATION RULES!!! :)))))
@102
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Despite your repeated use of the term, Argentina has no 'rights' over the Falklands. All you have is a moral claim based on an expulsion that never happened, and a legal claim based on an inheritance from Spain that was never left to you. And now you would deny the islanders a voice in their own future and call it decolonization.
I can't think of any other country in the world that would turn anything so flimsy and irrational into an issue of the national manhood.
@83
You still haven't grasped that you are the inheritors, and in many cases the direct descendants, of the most rapacious and genocidal branch of European colonialism there was? I would say those of us who had the good grace to stay home in Europe probably have a good case for looking down our nose at you.
@106 Judging by Puricelli's latest words “dictocracy” (possibly including the letter “k”) just about sums it up ;-)
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@107
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not the inheritor or direct descendant of anything. How many times do I need to repeat it. I know myself, you people do't know myself. Tough luck, my word beats yours there.
Second, I would agree that those that stayed behind would “innocent”, except for that small detail called wealth sequestration. European nations for 400 pillaged the riches of the other continents, either directly (taking it way), indirectly (via punitive taxations, and 2nd class status to the colonists in order to maximize profits), or pro-actively (shipping free labor across the seas). All that money is seen today in your, I will admit, beautiful palaces that one sees in the brochures of London, Paris, Madrid...
... or how about all the great art that was stolen and STILL LIES THIEVED in the museums of England, France, Italy and Germany....
So no, you still can't look down at my nose. There is nothing redeeming about Europe or European in the last 450 years. Accept it, feel humiliated, and move on.
@83 The whole planet is still reeling from Brutish, Germs, Spannels, Itaflons, Frenchies, and the rest committing mass perfidy and pusillanimously abandoning ship in mass.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All your descendents then half wit
@107
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, I still don't get it. If you're not the “inheritor or the direct descendant of anything”, then either you are full blood Amerindian, or you dropped fully formed from the sky? Some kind of virgin birth perhaps?
@111
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hate to break it to you, but I owe you no explanations or personal revelations.
@112
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can understand why you wouldn't want to, it gives you a much better platform for your pompous hypocrisy.
@108 If hes the best man Argentina have for the position of Defence Mincer then The UK has it in the bag! :)
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0comical Ali has nothing on this clown.
You can believe me, I don't do hypocrisy.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.scribd.com/doc/103755318/Falklands-War-The-First-400-Years-PDF
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0excellent link - they should make that compulsory reading in Argentina.
@115
Sep 04th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm willing, as ever, to entertain the hypothesis but at least insofar as your europhobia is concerned, it surely depends on the Amerindian/virgin birth hypothesis.
@107 HansN
Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very succinctly put - you've crystallised the argument very elegantly
I'm starting to wonder why TTT hates his own people so much? (i.e europeans) saying that, self-hate is the argentine way it would seem :)
Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0107 Hans
Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I take issue with you on this point:
“I would say those of us who had the good grace to stay home in Europe probably have a good case for looking down our nose at you.”
I am the descended from the “most rapacious genocidal branch of European colonialism there was”, but I fail to see why that means you can feel superior about that. You also will be descended from one of the rapacious genocidal invasions of your own homeland.
PS
I agree with you on the issue of self-determination for FI.
This referendum is bullshit.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ask a thief if he wants to keep his booty.
LOL.
@ 76 Britworker
Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Argies know any support they had will begin to drop away on the back of this result.”
After the referendum Argentina will have the support of those countries, which in 1982 declared UK to be the agressor even though all the world could see that Argentina attacked.
@104
Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didnt see the links in my previous response which quite clearly states my evidence.
@ 81 gustbury
Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it will always be on Argentine land, never forget!!!”
You mean “it will always be Danish land, never forget!!!”.
Greenland is part of Denmark and the first Europeans who set foot on the Americas came from Greenland, so there!
@120
Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Condorito, you are of course entirely right, sometimes I just cannot resist winding up the TTT.
@ 83 Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“That includes the Falklanders, who mercilessly commited genocide, and successful genocide, against an animal species ...”
El genocidio es un delito internacional que comprende cualquiera de los actos perpetrados con la intención de destruir, total o parcialmente, a un grupo nacional, étnico, racial o religioso como tal.
Genocide is “the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”
( http://efchr.mcgill.ca/WhatIsGenocide_en.php & T. Marcus Funk: “Victims' Rights and Advocacy at the International Criminal Court”. Oxford University Press, Oxford, England, 2010. ISBN 0-19-973747-9 http://efchr.mcgill.ca/WhatIsGenocide_en.php )
@TTT (109), You make an interesting point and a great quote...
Sep 04th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I know myself, you people do't [sic] know myself. Tough luck, my word beats yours there.”
I will adapt it and say it to Argentines....
“I know my islands, you people do't [sic] know my islands. Tough luck, my word beats yours there.”
When it comes to Marcos, IM, malen, Thinks, TTT's comments regarding my home, I know best as I live here.
Thanks TTT.
@116 Argentines will never accept that contents of that link as it hasnt got the happy ending that their government has promised them way back in their political childhood,and still continue to do so to this day.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EJeM6ifRbA
Im quite surprised That argentina who still live in the dark ages hasnt implemented the medieval “primae noctis” on the Falklands population before now, maybe thats one for the future?
However back to the link,it is a extremely good link, Hats off Mr Lorton,
SELF-DETERMINATION
Yes, well, if (in the albeit unlikely, but not impossible scenario) Argentina was threatened to be taken over and occupied by the Chinese PLA, perhaps Argentineans would welcome the possibility of a referendum asking if they'd prefer to “remain Argentine”. Unfortunately the previous indigenous inhabitants of what is now called 'Argentina' weren't offered any such choice, they were just dispossessed and obliterated, exactly the same fate the Malvinistas would very much like to inflict on the Falkland Islanders.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There is no such thing as a European Argentinian”
Sep 04th, 2012 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0List of senior government members-Argentina
Note all the native Amerindian names.
President Cristina Kirchner holds the office since December 10, 2007. As of December 10, 2011, her cabinet consists of the following Ministers:
Chief of the Cabinet of Ministers: Juan Manuel Abal Medina
Minister of the Interior: Florencio Randazzo
Minister of Foreign Relations (mostly known as the Chancellor): Héctor Timerman
Minister of Defense: Arturo Puricelli
Minister of Economy: Hernan Lorenzino
Minister of Justice and Human Rights: Julio Alak
Minister of Security: Nilda Garré
Minister of Labor, Employment and Social Security: Carlos Tomada
Minister of Education: Alberto Sileoni
Minister of Science, Technology and Innovative Production: Lino Barañao
Minister of Health: Juan Luis Manzur
Minister of Social Development: Alicia Kirchner
Minister of Federal Planning and Public Utilities: Julio de Vido
Minister of Industry: Débora Giorgi
Minister of Agriculture: Norberto Yahuar
Minister of Tourism: Carlos Enrique Meyer
Well, he would say something stupid, would't he?
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@98
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It appears comparing Argentine Defence minister Arturo Puricelli to Sesame Streets 'Count Von Count' has caused great offence to many.
To compare a brainless Muppet, that struggles to count to ten, with 'Count Von Count' is wrong and I apologise to all the Sesame Street fans reading this.
130
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0be realistic...you should understand that the “” governing “” job(!) is the game of once of from Aristocracy ... nowadays of from the Rich People (maybe of from some organizations )... not of from ordinary people level stacks in all countries.
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123
Thanks ..i ate somethings instead of waiting your advice of restaurants,meals..........did you remember -- didn't you ?
Mr Puricelli clearly does not like this referendum idea, however his attempts at belittling it actually demonstrates his lack of any effective response.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch this space, he’s going to get really upset before this is over.
Did the Wlsh colonists in Pata gonia Y Wladfa have a referendum on being incorporated into Argentina? Of course not. The agreement to respect thier land rights, thier religion, language and sytem of education signed in 1865 was unilaterally abrogated by the BA govt just 35 years later Thats how the RG govt respects agreements
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“like asking the Argentines “if they want to remain Argentine””
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is exactly what a referendum is.
Did the native Americans get a referendum on what they wanted to be? No didn't think so. I suppose that Mr Purcielli would say that they wanted to be Argentines as well. His hypocrisy, in fact Argentines hypocrisy in general as a colonially created country to whine and complain about self determination and referendums when they are themselves in this situation is enough to make me sick.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0134 Pugol-H
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, he is Italian after all.
I like most Italians that I met during the three year one month there, one month back consultancy project I ran for Pirelli cables.
But yes, the southern Italians are very emotional until you give them a verbal slap and remind them what they had agreed to do before the last month was out and had failed to do anything of it.
Then they tried to blame me for setting (agreed by them) too high a workload for them. But we got there in the end.
Apart from the final sentence in the last paragraph, which other nation does it remind you of? :o)
@121 “Ask a thief if he wants to keep his booty”
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's why, in the unlikely event of a similar referendum in what is now called “Argentina”, only the indigenous people's should be allowed to vote. You genocidal colonists really should keep your heads bowed.
no indiginous natives in the Falklands, even when Vernet asked British permission to start a settlement. UN monitored referendum will once a for all settle this, and you can see that it scares the poop out of the RG government because they know that nobody will listen to them. running scared we will wait for many more irrational statements from the junta
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@140 running scared we will wait for many more irrational statements from the junta................. again!!!!! and it will all be someone elses fault no doubt, and done via video link in case BK tries to dry hump her leg.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvXMBtUYGA8
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Self Determination for Malvinenses?
Self-determination right can be understood from a historical point of view. It´s linked with the struggle for independence of those peoples that has been invaded, colonized, enslaved and subjugated by a foreing power.
What we see in Malvinas is that in 1833 the UK by the use of force expelled the argentine people from the islands. The attacked and invaded people here is the argentine.
The UN has this fact so clear that it has never ever mentioned not even the “wishes” of the islanders. There is no single Resolution since the 1960´s regarding the Malvinas question mentioning the wishes of the islanders. Neverming self-determination.
The UN has not even referred to the islanders with the legal conception of “people”. The islanders has always been referred to by the UN as “inhabitants”. Never “people”.
The UN always mentioned the “interest” and well being. Absolutly no mention to their “wishes”. Neverming self-determination.
This is more than clear in 2065 and 3160 Resolutions.
This referendum certainly is a parody.
142... your historical facts are wrong. Therefore your post is void
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This referendum made me lough so much!! ha ha ha! LOL
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@142 Yes! Of course! Our historical facts are so wrong that the UN took them into account seriously and generated multiple resolutions asking the UK to sit down and resolve the dispute via negotiations as Argentina is requesting. So wrong! Only fairy tails...
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0145... It certainly seems to have upset the hence the huge troll activity , UN monitored referendum will once and for all state the wishes of the islanders. RGs have no claim on the territory and history records this, no amount of lying and indoctrination of RG school children with lies (refer to video posted many times) will change the truth Jajajajajajaja
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if the Rgs in a theoretical situation ever gained control of the islands, would they have to go on the list of territories to be de-colonised at the UN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA0MLDznlSc
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The truth told by a Malvinense...
Seld-determination? HA HA HA HA HA
Big British LIE! HA HA AHA
@142 BOOOORRRRRRIIIIIIIIINNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. The suggestion that the UN doesn't recognise the Falkland Islanders as people just shows how fookin stupid you are, you are inhabitants of rgenweener, I inhabit my house, do you understand what inhabitants are it means .......
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a person or animal that is a permanent resident of a particular place or region , take note of the word PERMANENT, so when the UN talk of the inhabitants of the Falklands they mean the PEOPLE, not fookin difficult is it, stop clutching at straws by twisting peoples words. Self determination IS thier best interest and well being you dipstick, it's not yours hence you're dripping like a leaking tap, take your blinkers off you arse, we can all twist words to suit our own meaning, and finally we kicked mutineers / prisoners off OUR island who killed the governer and raped his wife, sound familiar?
@148 A Nervocalm?
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@143
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the risk of repeating another thread, but since I've systematically fialed to get an answer to this from any Malvinista, can you indctae ny evidence that the 1833 expulsion ever took place. by “evidence” I mean something like a list of name of this expelled, an account of the expulsion by one of the victims themselves, or an account of the expulsion by any of the other actors around at the time. Any of Pinedo, Onslow, Vernet, even Rivero, or any there contemporaneous witness would do.
It's rather important, because if you can't show any expulsion, your entire argument fails.
But that's less of a disaster than it looks. The UN has never supported the ARgentine claim to the Falklands. It has only ever supported “dialogue”. The UN supporting dialogue is like the Mothers' Union supporting motherhood.
@142
Sep 04th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulation! You scored a zero on your history exam. The Argentine Government representatives were expelled in 1833 - not the population. Those that wanted to leave were given the opportunity. The only resident “Argentinians” removed from the islands at gunpoint were Rivero's gang after their killing spree. It is amusing that the Argentine great hero of the Malvinas was the one man mostly responsible for the practical establishment of British sovereignty over the islands.
No a 7.62 full metal jacket for you idiot. Anyway come March the UN will be forced to change ALL it's wording ref Falkland Islands and then perhaps you'll finally shut the fook up, but I doubt it
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0150... thought the 1833 settlement Vernet asked British permission to build a camp, he continued to report progress back to the British, Maybe he was being polite. UN uphold the rights of all people to self determination...still waiting for any UN text the trolls can quote that says different to this.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@153 I agree
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bottom line: The Malvinistas are getting really hot under their collars and wound up about the Falkland Islanders self-determination referendum because, United Nations article 4957 totally trumps their, to be very generous, dubious and flimsy historical claims.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples.”
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
“All peoples have the right to self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development”.
Even if uninhabited, The Falkland Islands are thousands of miles from Buenos Aires and hundreds of miles across the ocean, and by no reasonable definition any part of the region presently called 'Argentina'.
If the Falkland Islanders want to be called Argentinean; fair enough. If the Falkland Islanders want to be called 'British'; fair enough. If the Falkland Islanders want to be called 'independent'; fair enough. Any of these results would be acceptable by the the British government and the British people. Therein lies the difference between the democratic United Kingdom and the sorry excuse for a democracy called 'Argentina'.
wait for the list of non binding UN resolutions that say sit down and talk, easily trumped by the binding UN resolution 501. please quote me 148 actual UN text that says that the right to self determination doesnt apply in the Falklands case, if they support Argentinas claim like you say please provide the evidence to back this up.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islas - There is nothing to negotiate. As far as we are concerned the matter is settled and ultimately it is our opinion that counts not yours. The only dispute is the one you made up.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are you going to do about it? Let me guess, shag all!
Wake us up when you have grown a spine.
@156 there isn't any, but in march 2013 there will be and it will be fully ratified by the world....................except of course rgenweener
Sep 04th, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wow, this article certainly has rattled the tards cages, whats got them so riled?, cant possibly think if any reason, being a democracy i thought they would champion a referendum of the Falklands with all its alledged “hostages”? :)))
Sep 04th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all the falklands population are doing is practising their human rights, a master stroke in anybodies book of “master strokes”, announcing a free and fair,democratic referendum witnessed by the democratic world and beyond any doubt that not even argentina can question without drawing attention to their own blatant disregard for basic the democratic values of others, something that will not go down to great in the world of Democracy!
class act, well done Falklands you have argentina by the short and curlys feel free to yank as much as you like, they cannot do shit!
SELF-DETERMINATION :)))) the mother of all slap in the faces.
roll on march...watch and weep rgenweener : )
Sep 04th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I really think that the intelligence of the English should have made them come up with something different and not this parody of a referendum, which undoubtedly will be saying yes.”
Sep 04th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK, I'm repeating this, but this dumkopf doesn't understand that the Falkland Islanders born in the Islands cannot be born 8,000 miles away in England.
The Argentine government do not understand that if you are born in a country you are a people. I have never seen 'England' on a map of the Falkland Islands , but strangely enough I have seen the word Falkland Islands on a map of those same Islands.
So now Pure Silly thinks the Falkland Islands are called England. So much better than 'Bad Vines'
Using Argentine logic, St Malo is closer to England than the Falkland Islands are to the nearest point of Argentina.
St Malo is a British Saint.
St Malo is in Breton, one of the countries to possess a Celtic language, the others are in UK (except for the Isle of Man and Ireland).
Therefore St Malo is technically (according to Argentine logic), part of the UK, so the first settlement in 1764 from St Malo was British.
An asserted and welcomed view from the Minister. Oh, and this
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YPF/Gazprom energy company reached a strategic accord
seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2019064782_apltargentinarussiagas.html
I dont quite understand this implanted Italian colonial as his rhetoric indicates that he doesn't like colonialism and yet he lives in South America. Another thing that confuses me is the mixed messages we appear to be getting from this pathetic hypocritical regime in Argentina. One minute we are accused by their US ambassador of holding the islands hostage from their true identity and the next this pathetic Puricelli fool says that they have no right to decide their fate, but i bet if the islanders turned around tomorrow then the Argies would welcome their so called 'brothers & sisters' with open arms, because only Argies get self determination and no one else.
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Self-determination for Chagos Islanders, maybe?
Sep 04th, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=BR&v=1oCqqn_uOiY
164 Islas Malvinas
Sep 05th, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, absolutely. I agree.
And if the Chagos Islanders get their home back, will you leave us in peace? Simple answer, yes or no?
@ 165 Yes. Centainly. Absolutly. Indeed.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina wants nothing else but peace and it`s territory for its people and other peoples living on it. That includes pirat descendents in Malvinas.
ANSWER @164 Please to @165 NOW!
Sep 05th, 2012 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@167 I have
Sep 05th, 2012 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0166 Islas Malvinas
Sep 05th, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Precisely. I thought not.
Self determination for the Chagossians but not Falkland Islanders, because....well no reason. Apart from the fact that you Argentines are different and special, and your idea about what might have happened in 1833 is more important than any notion of human rights. You make me feel a bit ill actually.
But to be honest at the end of the day they don't give a shit, all they want is to control all this area and Antarctica, but unfortunately we are in their way, what a shame. Imagine if they had won, full control of shipping around cape horn, they could try to stop other nations getting to the antarctic peninsular, also airspace control, where would it all end? I am glad it is the way it is now for all mans sake.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0'I think it is a referendum lacking imagination and creativity,'
Sep 05th, 2012 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The imagination and creativity in Argentine referendums and elections is in counting the votes.
Arturo Puricelli just shows the Argentine government's mistrust and hatred of democracy.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just imagine what life would be like for the islanders under Argentine rule. No freedom, no democracy, no human rights.
Monty - Don't expect Isles to have the mental capacity to see he has undone his own argument. He has grown up under the Argentina education system. We should feel sorry for him as he is likley to be one of the 35% of Argentines living in poverty.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@27TTT
Sep 05th, 2012 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's funny - I don't recall that we are trying to rule any part of Argentina (The Falklands are not Argentine so don't go there), and in fact your country is becoming such a basket case because of CFK that I doubt that anybody in any other country would have designs on a takeover.
Well spotted about your lack of coopereation and reliability in international affairs - thats what the garrison is for, and thats why you will never get a UK govt to talk to you about the islands. Any negotiations would be worthless as you would tear up any agreements in short order.
Your neighbours are noticing this too.
Meanwhile - keep enjoying the fact that you don't, and never will, own the Falklands. LOL.
@Islas Malvinas. The UN would not support occupoation of the islands and cannot force a handover. We would argue (so would the islanders) that the FI best interest is served by being associated with the UK - a country with a better track record of looking after it's own people instead of wasting time tilting at windmills over previous failed attempts to steal other peoples land.
The rerendum simply shows that the locals do not want anything to do with you - any handover would be forced. It won't happen. No UK govt would want to do it (following 1982, still in living memory) and no UK govt would survive doing so.
@174shb,
Sep 05th, 2012 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, shb.
And the Argentines know that they'll never get the Falklands, hence their frantic bleating.
Haven't they got enough land? They're not usefully using what they have.
And the oil is making them, really upset! ha
@172
Sep 05th, 2012 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0No need to imagine - kz camps, deportations, mock executions etc...
There is a good film about the islanders experiences from the last time the Argies came visiting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFs7TXIQRag
@175
Sep 05th, 2012 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite agree Isolde.
I cannot understand why the Argentines tear their hair out over a land the size of Northern Ireland while they have a huge country with no doubt more huge resources to discover.
It's like going to the doctor complaining of a cold after you have a had a heart attack.
St.John (#124) @ 81 gustbury
Sep 05th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“it will always be Danish land, never forget!!!”.
'Greenland is part of Denmark and the first Europeans who set foot on the Americas came from Greenland, so there!'
No, St John, these Greenland/Dane summer visitors were beaten off by the Inuits, Micmacs, Maliseets, Abenakis, and Algonquinians. They never returned.
The first non-Americans who set foot on the Americas were Mongolo-Siberians. Interestingly, they took only a couple of thousand years to walk to 'Argentina' and occupy it.
I don't know what they called themselves, but it was neither 'Americans' or 'Argentinians'.
Later, 'Europeans' took a quicker water-route ... but they used a flag, wrote down that they owned it, and called it Argentina.
So that's all right then.
@177 like I said just above, this is what they want.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Imagine if they had won, full control of shipping around cape horn, they could try to stop other nations getting to the antarctic peninsular, also airspace control, it would mean no shipping, aircraft or anything else in SW Atlantic, where would it all end? I am glad it is the way it is now for all mans sake.
I don't want to remain Argentine in this conditions...
Sep 05th, 2012 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@179 FI
Sep 05th, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0An extremely good point - we know how avaricious they are when it comes to taking territory that doesn't belong to them.
They are running scared now, very similar to their soldiers when they heard the Gurkhas were attacking.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They were humiliated in defeat and now the RG governement is sweating because without the Falklands it cannot deflect its population from the real issues affecting them, economic collapse, mega inflation, corruption..etc etc etc
SELF-DETERMINATION!! Under the wing of DEMOCRACY :))))
Sep 05th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@geoffward2:
Sep 05th, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Being Defence Minister in Argentina is - progressively - to defend the government from the people'
This is a very interesting comment ... It made me smile, thank you :)
@180
Sep 05th, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Me neither, in fact i'm glad i got my italian citizenship.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/quebec-shooting-suspect-heard-shouting-english-are-waking-up-1.943030
Sep 05th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0End of story. The Anglos don't give a fuck about self-determination.
@186
Sep 05th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So one nutter on the loose in Canada proves the Falklanders are wrong? But does this mean that a Lstin nutter on the loose in Mexico would prove them right?
Indeed that's what the anglos argue.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And one nutter who acts means 100,000 non-nutters who think alike. Sorry, but it is clear Quebec independence will involve blood. Already has, even if it was one person, it's blood enough.
Another myth officially busted, anglo “respect” for election results or self-determination.
@188
Sep 05th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not that I think your spectacular generalizations are the product of a shallow or under-developed intellect, or even just simple laziness. Far be it from me to suggest any thing. It's just that I am continually amazed at the process by which you and your cultural cohorts have managed to escape the chimpanzee genome that afflicts the rest of the human race. I do wish you would elucidate
further. Surely you owe this gift to the world.
One minor vote where a SELF-DETERMINATION party wins and within 24 the anglos try to murder the leader, while shouting “english are waking up, english are waking up!”
Sep 05th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nuff said.
@190
Sep 05th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So it was “the Anglos” - who else was in on the job? And how does it bolster the Argentine case for the Falklands?
It doesn't bolster our case whatsover. I'm an Argentine that for six months here have said I respect self-determination.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The difference between me and anglos is that I apply self-determination across the board due to probity of principles , not when it is merely convenient for territorial conquest.
And who are these Anglos again?
Sep 05th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0English speaking, US-Americans, English Canadians, Jamaicans, South Africans, Kenyans, Australians, Guyanans, many Indians, Zimbabweans, Irish, Welsh, Scotts, Belizeans, Bahamians, etc. Anglos.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Goodness, and they were all there pulling the trigger? How did thy do that? A very long piece of string tied onto it perhaps, and a cox to help them all pull in unison.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0None of us of course would condone violence of any sort, but knowing your susceptibility to coarse common laughter, I would advise you not to turn up in person to call Irish, Welsh, Scots, Zimbabweans, Indians, Jamaicans, etc, etc, Anglos.
190... It was MI6 trying to assignate a Canadian MP. I didn't even know there was an election until I heard it on the Radio last night, it's not covered widely in the UK press. But maybe it was a British ploy to do what????? If they were in the business of doing this they would of slotted Kretina by now!!!!!
Sep 05th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@178 GeoffWard2
Sep 05th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interestingly there is now genetic and archaeological evidence that the first peoples to arrive and settle in the Americas were not from Siberia, they arrived later.
@Tobias
If Quebec does become independent it will be with little or no bloodshed, same as if Scotland chooses independence, no one will stand in there way.
Interesting to note that last time the Québécois lost the independence referendum by a narrow margin. Their leader said this was due to a recently arrived immigrant population (referring to Asians). Native Americans (the majority in the north of Quebec) must have pissed themselves laughing upon hearing this.
197
Sep 05th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is the genetic and archaeological evidence?
There are sites in Chile were the human presence pre dates the supposed arrival of man via Siberia, but that might just mean that we came across from Siberia sooner.
@198 Condorito
Sep 05th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I understand it, European genetic markers have been found in Native North Americans (East coast), no surprise, except they were included 12,000 + years ago. Also the technological similarities of the Clovis point to NW Europe stone tools of similar age.
Skeletal remains found in sites in S America again 12,000 + years old, far more closely resemble Australian/ S Pacific peoples than Amerindians.
I am quoting from memory here, but it should be easy enough to check in the right place.
@199
Sep 05th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is an interesting subject.
I have always thought that given the excellent sea faring skills of the Pacific island peoples, who could re-trace their routes across 1000s of kms of ocean between tiny islands, that hitting a continent that runs from the north pole to the south pole should have been quite easy.
Still, I understand more evidence is required to change the Clovis first theory.
@199 and @200
Sep 05th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well if you believe the 'out of Africa' theory then everyone in the world originated from Africa.
But it is interesting how developed inventive means of spreading around the globe.
Regarding the story though, Argentina better get used to this. Once the vote has been cast no one at the UN will even give them the time of day regarding the Falklands.
They'll just have to fall back to crying on the shoulders of their 'friends'; Venezula, Cuba, Syria, Iran er... that's it. :0D
Troll
Sep 05th, 2012 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There won't be any blood drawn for Quebec independence, frankly there are many of us who would like to see them go. Unfortunately Quebec has been a part of Canada since 1867 and as much as we all admire their Gallic laziness and defend their right to smoke in church, quite a bit has been invested in the province and not just by Quebec taxpayers, they will have to leave some of it behind when they go or at the very least, pay for it. If any blood has been spilled since confederation the frogs drew it first!
Anyways you can't compare the situation, Great Britain would happily grant the Falkland independence, too bad they don't want it. Quebec joined Canada at confederation and they are free to leave. Argentines seem to think they should be involved in any negotiations for independence or self-determination, it has nothing to do with them.
@200 Condorito
Sep 05th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, but this would not be the first time established ideas of history were completely changed by new discoveries.
I agree an interesting subject, more so because of what is yet to be discovered.
@201 LEPRecon
Out of Africa, a few hundred individuals (allegedly) to Southern India, and spread everywhere else from there, including back to parts of Africa.
Makes you wonder if we actually ever own territory, or are just visiting!
“”The difference between me and anglos is that I apply self-determination across the board due to probity of principles , not when it is merely convenient for territorial conquest.“”
Sep 05th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
204 Anbar
Sep 05th, 2012 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The difference between you and Anglos is that you are not Anglo.
@ 178 GeoffWard2 re. “it will always be Danish land, never forget!!!”.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ought to recognise a tease, when you see one.
Besides, for some few years, there was a settlement in what today is called “l'Anse aux Meadows” in Newfoundland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Anse_aux_Meadows
@205
Sep 06th, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was fortunate.
@195
If those groups are in Argentina (and some are), I will call them anglos. It is how we call them, nothing personal.
Anglo, derived from angel, latin, who would be insulted?
Sep 06th, 2012 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Angel? I would have no clue, if the Romans named them that they were still barbarians to them. Barbarian is not exactly a positive portrayal of people's on the part of the Romans.
Sep 06th, 2012 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, Canada responded to self-determination with ruthless violence. I find it almost providential that every time a country talks smack about Argentina, something happens to put them to hyporitical shame :)
@185
Sep 06th, 2012 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Es triste ser argentino... Actually I am figuring out about having my Italian citizenship but I also want to go to America and keep being and entrepreneur there. I gotta get my USA citizenship first. #complicated
206 St.John
Sep 06th, 2012 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is a Dane like you doing in a place like this???
And why always so negative about Argentina???
Did any Argie “tissed på din sukkermad?”
@ 211 Think
Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have been studying The Falkland dispute for a couple of years, and based on original documents I have come to the conclusion, that a neutral arbitration will almost certainly support the British claim, let's say odds 5 to 1.
I have lived several years in Argentina.
I like Argentinos (de las provincias) in general, the majority is amable y agradable.
Some porteños are OK, but from experience I dislike the majority of the porteños - same as los habitantes de las provincias do - because they are mostly sólo la fachada pero sin contenido (shallow) and imagine themselves superior to everybody else including all other Argentinos - complejo de inferioridad escondido?
If you read my posts, you'll se that I am only negative about clowns like Puricelli who calls a referendum “a parody that lacks creativity and imagination”, or when an Argentino is negative about others or when they post unresearched nonsense.
@TTT
Sep 06th, 2012 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0One nutter does not a conspiracy or wish to ignore democracy make.
Argentina applies double standards in this case.
You would support the referendum wholeheartedly if it was going to give a majority in favour of severing links with the UK and joining Argentina, would'nt you?.....
The last thing your country wants is for the people who are affected by your countrie's policy of aggression and occupation to have their say in the full view of the world's media.
It exposes you as what you are - nasty little land grabbers who don't give a damn about the people upon whom you would be forcing your rule. It would also open up Argentina's “selective” view of history and it's more bizarre claims in the UN (like the deployment of Trident subs) to greater scrutiny and ridicule.
@ 207 Troubled_Twitting_Tosser
Sep 06th, 2012 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0”If those groups are in Argentina (and some are), I will call them anglos. It is how we call them, nothing personal.“
How would you like to be called 'Dago'?
- it's how we call them, nothing personal.
- and it would be very innocent:
Dago is short for Spanish ”Diego”. Diego is a Spanish male name derived originally from the Hebrew Yaʻăqōbh (Jacob) via the latin name Sanctus Iacobus to that of Sant Yago (Saint James the Greater), in later Spanish language changed into Santiago and San Diego. Diego as generic for “a Spaniard” is documented from around 1615. “Santiago el Mayor” is the patron saint of Spain.
thought it was the Angles the germanic tribe of warriors, along with the Saxons hence Anglo Saxon. Dont mind the tag quite like it.
Sep 06th, 2012 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Odd some foreigners seem so incredibly offended when we abbreviate their nationality to a syllable or two. They seem to think we'll be equally offended when they say 'Gringos', 'Brits', 'Anglos' etc. Knock yourselves out chaps :)
Sep 06th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0l, also don't regard Anglo as an insult.
Sep 06th, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0lts what we are, and proud of it.
@212 St John,
Thank you for your accurate analysis of the ridiculous Argentine “claims” to the Falklands.
However, as you imply,Dago is insulting.
209 Troll
Sep 06th, 2012 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0A psycho dressed in a bathrobe hardly represents the Canadian people, equally a petulant little boy posting using a Claro stick from his mother's house does not compromise all of Argentina. Anglo-envy is a painful malady!
St.John (#206)
Sep 06th, 2012 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“@ 178 GeoffWard2 re. 'it will always be Danish land, never forget!!!'.
You ought to recognise a tease, when you see one.
Besides, for some few years, there was a settlement in what today is called “l'Anse aux Meadows” in Newfoundland.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Anse_aux_Meadows”
Of course I see the tease, I frequently do it myself.
I happened to be reading around the topic when your posting came up.
Jared Diamond, a respected US anthropologist (and my 'hero'), tends to view the 'Meadows' as a short-lived recurrent summer settlement for winning timber - no timber in Greenland; exactly the opposite of the Wiki statement of it being an over-wintering settlement.
Irrespective, the Devonian Inuit and the Micmacs between them soon showed Eric and his small band that 'This Land is My Land'.
The Danes/Greenlanders retrenched in two main Greenland settlements and became out-competed/erradicated by the Devonian Inuit - who survived by hunting, whereas the 'Danes' died by focussed, as the climate shifted, on unsustainable agricultural/husbandry activities.
500 years later Columbus discovered America.
@ 217 lsolde
Sep 06th, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0personally I don't care a whit what people call me, “Hijo de puta”? - their problem, not mine.
Argentina's claim to the Falkland Islands is not ridiculous, only based on insufficient research and a lack of critical examination of their own past.
All of Spanish America - present day Argentina included - belonged to Spain on, say, 24 May 1810.
24 May 1810 Spain was in dire straits, as the French occupation since 1808 had destroyed the Spanish administration. La 'Guerra de la Independencia Española' lasted until 1814.
People in 'Virreinato del Río de la Plata', among other territories, saw the opportunity and usurped the land from the rightful owner, the Spanish crown - not a gentlemanly act at a time when Spain was occupied and in a helpless condition, yet they lament that “Britain took the islands by force”.
It is interesting to notice, that Argentina cannot possibly claim 'uti possidetis juris' (as you possess under law) to the Falkland Islands, because:
1. the Spanish troops loyal to the crown stayed on the islands until 13 February 1811.
2. the islands belonged to Spain 'de juris' until 'Tratado de Reconocimiento, Paz y Amistad Firmado por la Confederación Argentina con S.M. la Reina de España' was signed in Madrid, 9 de Julio de 1859, which says “... de ambos Paises, han determinade celebrar un Tratado de reconocimiento, paz y amistad, fundado en principios de justicia y de mutua conveniencia”. The 29 April 1857 treaty 'Tratado de Paz y Amistad entre Su Majestad la Reina de las Españas, Doña Isabel Segunda, y el Presidente de la República Argentina', says only “... un Tratado de paz y amistad, fundado en principios de justicia y de mutua conveniencia” - no “reconocimiento”.
In that case Argentina would be able to claim the Falkland Islands only under 'uti possidetis, ita possideatis' = 'who owns by fact, owns by right', same as Britain can, but in Britain's case the 'by fact' claim is based on de facto possession for more than 179 years.
“if I ask the Argentines if they want to continue as Argentines, almost certainly we will have a 100% win”. According to a very recent study of vote-buying in four poor neighbourhoods of Buenos Aires, brokers (”punteros”) bought around 20% of the votes in La Matanza (890.572 voters); Merlo (349.234 voters); Malvinas Argentinas (219.173 voters) and 14% in San Miguel (197.614 voters) by arbitrarily distributing temporary public jobs and cooperatives and then demanding that the beneficiaies and their families vote for Crisitina and the local mayor.
Sep 06th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 219 GeoffWard2
Sep 06th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Jared Diamond, a respected US anthropologist (and my 'hero'), tends to view the 'Meadows' as a short-lived recurrent summer settlement for winning timber - no timber in Greenland; exactly the opposite of the Wiki statement of it being an over-wintering settlement.”
Diamond's problem.
One of the buildings is a well used smithy, hardly something you would need for a short-lived summer settlement; you bring the axes, and other iron tools for a short stay.
Besides, we have no indication of this being Erik Raudr's settlement.
Some asians discovered the Americas about 15,000 years ago, the Norse from Greenland were the first Europeans to set feet in the continent around year 1000.
Columbus did not discover America any more than Charles Lindbergh was the first to fly over the atlantic, not even non-stop - 92 (nitetytwo) other persons, two non-stop, had overflown it before him, but not from the US.
(Alcock and Brown in the first non-stop heavier-than-air in 14-15 June 1919 (from Newfoundland, Canada to Ireland), Portuguese Gago Coutinho and Artur de Sacadura Freire Cabral in four jumps over the South Atlantic from Lisbon to Recife, Brasil (many years ago I met an old man, who as a boy saw them land) and on to Rio de Janeiro in 1922).
I hate to break it to everyone, but NO ONE in Argentina knows what the word 'dago“ means. You seem to believe we are aware of British cultural idiosyncracies, we are not.
Sep 06th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@213
Do you realize you come off as cookoo, cookoo? I support the Falklanders in whatever decision they make. End of story.
”...Les Anglais se reveillent! Les Anglais se reveillent!...”
Tolerant, huh?
“I have been studying The Falkland dispute for a couple of years, and based on original documents I have come to the conclusion, that a neutral arbitration will almost certainly support the British claim, let's say odds 5 to 1.”
Sep 06th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems reasonable to me... Argentinas big problem is the short life of their country (prior claims) and the fact that their “strongest” moral arguments cast their own country in a bad light.
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“ Argentina applies double standards in this case.”
Argentina is a country it doesnt have standards, nor does Britain...its a big inanimate country.
Members of the Argentine Goverment however....
Is it fair to label all Argentines with the same? Crikey look at Tony Blair and his “Lets ake an excuse to invade Iraq just so that I can slide up Bush's backside a bit further”... and years later “God told me to do it!”
Personally I was against the whole thing, as were, probably, the majority of British citizens... but the government, once elected, no longer has to do what the public wants....we just get labelled by it.
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“I hate to break it to everyone, but NO ONE in Argentina knows what the word 'dago“ means. ”
Hate to break it to you but... you're wrong. I know at least 2 Argentines who know exactly what “dago” means.
Which highlights the problem of making vast sweeping statements for an entire population with no real moral or factual basis other than “I wish it was so!” as your foundation.
Which, when you get right down to it, probably isnt the ideal methodology for someone claiming to a truth-teller.
Ever read Heinlein's “Job”?
If not, I suggest you do.... then tell me what colour that house is on the hill outside .... ¬_¬
@223
Sep 06th, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes. It's about as tolerant as attributing the crime of one nutter in a dressing gown to an ethnicity of your own invention that covers everybody from Antigua to Zimbabwe.
Interesting that Mr Puricelli thinks that a referendum should have “imagination and creativity”. Perhaps elections work that way in Argentina, but in mature democracies elections they represent the will of the people, without any “imagintion or creativity”. I guess he's just upset that Argentina doesn't get to dictate the outcome.
Sep 06th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Hate to break it to you but... you're wrong. I know at least 2 Argentines who know exactly what “dago” means.”
Sep 06th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am offering you a bet... go in the streets of any argie city and tell 100 people “hey dago”... at best what you will get is a “que??”. Facts.
We are far more aware of the Spaniard term “sudaka” than anything from any other European country.
@225
Dude give it up, anglo is just a social way of us of saying “english speaking/culture”... what's the big deal?
Don't you call anything south of Texas “hispanic”?? Brazilians, Haitians, Chileans, Peruvians... Incas, Black Hondurans, blond-blue eyed polish German brazilians, Fujimuri....
So what you are saying is that this is correct but our label in Argentina for you is not???
Both are correct because they are accepted in the societies where that label is used, the ones labelled by it have no say in that. sorry.
Well as a brit living in Chile, and having visited Argentina, I dont want to get into this nationalistic abuse, of another country, and from my point of view, Argentina is a lovely country, with great people, it has problems, but name me a country that doesnt. So this abuse should stop!
Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Iin my humble opinion, the issue here is self determination enshrined in the UN charter, I believe that this overrides the territorial claims of Argentina.
Anyone who has a counter perspective I would really like to them to post a reasoned argument based on international law and not just bash the British.
Personally I have always regarded the term Anglo as equivalent to Latino or Hispanic, not offensive.
Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dago with Gringo, somewhat less polite.
I was told the term Gringo was from the US Marines in Mexico city 1900 odd, singing as they ran “green grow the rushes oh”.
Can anyone confirm this?
> Don't you call anything south of Texas “hispanic”?? Brazilians, Haitians, Chileans, Peruvians... Incas, Black Hondurans, blond-blue eyed polish German brazilians, Fujimuri....
Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't, as a matter of fact. You're trying to put words them in my mouth. I might use the term Latam or something, but I certainly don't see them as a homogenous bloc of evil-doing cultural enemies. Sorry to disappoint.
@228
Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is what happens when an outsider to this forum makes opinion, I'm proven right.
Argentina here is trashed to an extreme degree, and not just its government, everything about it, from culture, to language, to the women, to the history, to the food, to anything and everything. And not just limited to topics about the Falklands, anyone checking the Argentina section sees nasty, racist, vulgar comments whether the issue of the article is the Falklands or not.
This more than clearly proves that the people that claim they are only expressing themselves in such a fashion because of Argentina's obsession with the Falkands are lying. If they were telling the truth, you would only see them blasting the Argie gov in Falkland Island articles.
But you seem them everywhere insulting anything argie.
Im only here to counter fire with flame.
231 Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 06th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please read 228 again without the hate setting in your brain switched on.
The poster is making the point about the BRITS being bashed!
BTW generalisations just show the poster to be somewhat juvenile. Not all Argentineans are Malvanistas. Not all Argentinean women look like TMBOA or the Industry Minister. Does TMBOA select them so they don't 'show' her up?
The AG women I see over here are both young and gorgeous or mature ladies with stunning 20 yo figures but have been sunbathing all their life and have suffered because of it. I cannot remember seeing anyone who looks like TMBOA, but I have only been in Uruguay for 16 months.
The AG history is of course what it is. Malvanistas make it worse with the whining and moaning about it is never their fault about the 'Conquest of the Desert' ha, ha, or the 30,000 chucked out of planes or murdered or the Junta invading the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas), making things difficult for Uruguay by breaking agreements over auto volumes, lying over the pulp mill ‘contamination, etc. etc.
Always remember that fighting fires with flame only works when there are sufficient fire-breaks, otherwise you risk serious injury.
@231 TIT
Sep 06th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“@228
This is what happens when an outsider to this forum makes opinion, I'm proven right.”
Who gave you special powers to judge who is an “outsider to the forum” or who is qualified to post??
Is Santiago Dave from Chile too even-minded and reasonable for you?
His opinion as a South American seems to undermine the propaganda that you keep spouting.
How inconvenient for you.
Better discredit him and label him as an “Outsider”, right??
@231 diddums!!! want your dummy??
Sep 06th, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina here is trashed to an extreme degree,” BOO fkin HOO,
newsflash, it swings and roundabouts, its 50/50 The UK and the falklands gets its share of abuse too, yet you dont mention that.
so dont start whinging like a f*kin baby about insults being one way, when the real reason is because you know you have lost the battle of The Falklands yet again.
if you cant take the heat f*koff out the kitchen, take your hurt National pride elsewhere ,whinging c*nt, sorry no sympathy Argentines started this sh*t The Falklands are finishing this themselves..... Suck it up, Argtards made this problem, save it for someone who gives a shit about Argentina and its feelings.
SELF-DETERMINATION & DEMOCRACY :))) You re welcome!!
Malvinas: it is never beneficial “negative diplomacy”
Sep 06th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/opinion/Malvinas-beneficiosa-diplomacia-negativa_0_769123160.html
@235
Sep 06th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The vast majority of Argentines don't want any diplomacy (i.e. relations), with the UK. So I only agree in half with that. I've always said I don't like the current harrassing of the islands, but I also advocated in closing the British embassy in Argentina and escorting them out of the country, and ending formal relations.
Troll,
Sep 06th, 2012 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't understand why you would want the British Embassy closed. Embassies also exist for expats, consular and other services. What is wrong with an English presence in BA, or an Argentine presence in London?
@ 237
Sep 06th, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am an argentinian and I don't like the rubbish bloody english people in my country.
Afuera de mi pais ingleses odiosos!
@238 why? what is your proven reason for disliking the “bloody”english in your country? without your reason being of personal race-hate, or is that the reason?.
Sep 06th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@229Pugol-H,
Sep 06th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l've always understood that it was in the war of 1847 & the US soldiers were singing “green grow the grasses oh”.
But l could be wrong.
@231TTT,
Don't cry, Tobias.
Take it like a man.
We only bag Argentina because of their spurrious & ridiculous “claims” on the Falklands(oh and to get a reaction from you!).
@ 229 Pugol-H
Sep 06th, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gringo:
According to wikipedia, which often has it right and quote a number of sources, it means/meant a foreigner who doesn't speak like the locals:
“The consensus among etymologists is that gringo is a variant of griego ‘Greek’ speech (”it's Greek to me”).“ ... ”Gringos is what, in Malaga, they call foreigners who have a certain type of accent that prevents them from speaking Castilian easily and naturally; and in Madrid they give the same name, in particular, to the Irish.“
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#Etymology
”Según el etimólogo español Joan Corominas, “gringo” deriva de la palabra española griego, refiriéndose a un lenguaje que no se puede entender (cf. me suena a chino o inglés that's Greek to me)” ... Gringos llaman en Málaga a los extranjeros que tienen cierta especie de acento, que los priva de una locución fácil y natural Castellana; y en Madrid dan el mismo nombre con particularidad a los irlandeses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo#Etymology
#241 “and in Madrid they give the same name, in particular, to the Irish”
Sep 07th, 2012 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0So being a gringo isn't all bad then, for an anti-imperialist =)
@237, 239
Sep 07th, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isolationism. Honestly, I'm reaching the point I think we should sever relations with all nations and close all their embassies.
Food for thought, but not for lamebrains:
Sep 07th, 2012 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.falklandophilia.com/120459888
238 2012
Sep 07th, 2012 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhh, Sussie the cunt is back! I for one, was hoping you were dead!
243 Troll
Although you seem to hate the English so much you can't deny the English population that exists in your country. I know this because I went to a British school there for two years, Argentine boys with names like Duggan, Grant, Smith, Glass and Moore, I hope you aren't planning any type of Milosevic-like cleansing of your “anglo” population.
@245
Sep 07th, 2012 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hate all Europeans equally, it's just that here for obvious reasons anglos predominate.
@245
Sep 07th, 2012 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am a male so watch it.
I can hit you and make your head spin 100 times!
247 2012
Sep 07th, 2012 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spic courage, so frightening!
246 Troll
Europeans only? What about American Anglos?
Well yeah them too. I guess you know me by now.
Sep 07th, 2012 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0All other Latins too. I want an isolationist nation. Thank you.
@248
Sep 07th, 2012 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on, give me your full name, location and phone number. Don't run away from me rubbish bloody english man. Are you scare ?
249 Troll
Sep 07th, 2012 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody takes the time to learn as much as you have and then sit alone in a tree, you've embraced the world and now you pretend to hate it, but then again this forum is for entertainment purposes only, you don't fool me!
250 Sussie US
You have to change syntax, grammar and attitude to convince people you are someone else you schizophrenic chud! Iwill give you my location when I need someone to wash my dishes or prepare some tamales, until then, fuck off!
@250 sussie/ 2012/Tempe Tamale ...
Sep 07th, 2012 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you out of the psychiatric ward now???
We thought you had killed yourself out of shame !!! LOL
Did someone stop by apt. #114 and bring you your 'fix'?
How are your unemployed junkie friends??
bugs, drugs, Argie slugs , all in this review of your home:
http://local.yahoo.com/info-20052499-arbour-park-tempe
Nobody likes you, everyone laughs at you.
Does your mother in Argentina know how you live and the hatred you spew on here??
I expect she is ashamed of you already. She probably tells the neighbours that you are dead :-)
@249
Sep 07th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0> All other Latins too. I want an isolationist nation. Thank you.
You're welcome. Just mind where you park your Tardis.
ls that where you live, SussieUS?
Sep 07th, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0So much for your flash restaurants, top motels & all the other lies you came out with.
But of course, you're Argentine, lying is just part of your character.
250 2012 (#)
Sep 07th, 2012 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you realise how stupid you sound? I'm guessing you're about 12.
@250 did your parents have any children that lived???
Sep 07th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0HAhahahahaha HAHahahahaha Hahhahahahaa what a hero hahahaaaa
hahahahhah aahahahha ahahahahahhh ahahahhaah hhhhhahahhah
my name : Christina GoFukYourMom
location : 34 GoFukYourMom avenue
tel: 017889-GoFukYourMom
call anytime just dont bring your mom, she sounds like a right skank!
@249 we agree, however i think Argentina is already isolated. ;)
SELF-DETERMINATION & DEMOCRACY!!
244 ynsere
Sep 07th, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or for the easily bored.
This article fails to hold the reader on a number of fronts:
10 It seems to think there is a god, there isn't;
2) it is written is a style that only those dedicated to get to the bottom of everything will tolerate. I don't have the time to waste;
3) The english used is fractured and does not flow at all, never mind easily;
4) The originator is not given, what do they want to hide?
Sorry, couldn't be bothered with it.
Most Argentines would sooner be American
Sep 07th, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what a coincidence- 54% of argentinians are K...and you are K (elpers)too.
Sep 07th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you fix the problem about your origins? Because leggaly you are what you want to are, but still are people implanted by foreign country...... how do you make up this point?
How you can support your origin? all your acts are made in mane of the queen....how you can change that? who other people made acts in name of the quenn of England?
That´s the difference between people and population: you, no matters what you want, you are english people living in argentine territory, as a population-
Thank you for declare your rigths: i´m shure world listen you, and says you are rigth: you want to stay under english protection, becuase your english, and no configure people, as Autodetermination Institute declare; you are a population, and has no rigth to determinate your destiny-
That´s the fact you can´t never change , no matters what you decide in the future.
All world knows that and Argentina benefited from your plesbicite-
Regards!
No argie in their right mind would choose to be American, English, Italian, or whatever. We had a massive depression in 2001 and yet onl 200,000 people chose that route, and that was our worst crisis ever.
Sep 07th, 2012 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who would want to be part of the sinking ship that is EU,UK,US?
@ 259 Rosarino
Sep 07th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Listen to yourself, “Implanted by a foreign country” is a good description of Criollo Argentina, but not true about the Falklands.
Argentina has no legitimate, legal or historical, claim to the Falkland Islands or any territory in the S Atlantic or Antarctic.
Far more countries support the Islanders rights to self-determination than Argentina’s claims of sovereignty.
You’re losing the Falklands argument on moral grounds as well as historical, and with that lost you lose the rest.
All Argentina’s efforts have been counterproductive or ineffective or both.
You are further away from any negotiations now than at any time since the invasion (the first one in 1832). The Islanders future has seldom looked brighter.
With success like that who needs dismal failure eh!
'In Falkland Islands are open for business'
Sep 07th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.portafolio.co/economia/%E2%80%98-islas-malvinas-estamos-abiertos-los-negocios%E2%80%99
231 TTT
Sep 07th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You left off something from your list of things we abuse you about. Your big foot size! LOL! Don't forget that.
Only joking. I think you realise I have no problem with you. I do seriously hope that you do all of this defending in good humour rather than bitterly though. It's too much to take seriously for anyone.
Keep up the good work.
Chuckle chuckle.
262 so you are looking for help in SA to get out the oil???? Spend money, money, money, money, come onnnnnnnnnnnn
Sep 07th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its not our problem, and any mistake it will be only yours responsability, you will have to pay and high
264 Malvin
Sep 07th, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the Canadian and Americans working on your oilfields right now can give them a hand.
@264 Maligna
Sep 08th, 2012 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“you are looking for help in SA to get out the oil???? Spend money, money, money, money, come onnnnnnnnnnnn
Its not our problem, and any mistake it will be only yours responsability, you will have to pay and high”
Oh, dear :-(
Islanders and Brits and Canadians certainly can't do it themselves.
Sounds risky.
That's it, then. Better forget the whole idea.
I don't think so!!
Feeling a bit left out, are we???
Ha ha ha ha ha ha...
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@259
Sep 09th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you are english people living in argentine territory, as a population-”
Falkland Islanders born in the Islands cannot be English, as the Falkland Islands are not called 'England'
The clue is in the name=F.A.L.K.L.A.N.D. I.S.L.A.N.D.S
There are some Engish people in the Falklnd Islands, and Chileans, St Helenians, Scots, and people of other nationalities who are not English.
@102 You poor ignorant tosser.
Sep 09th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. You'll have to show us where Britain claimed discovery. Try landing. Two different things.
2. So? The French had no problem with the British occupation. And the British had no problem with the French occupation. The “problem” was the Spanish.
3. Actually, the British claim is based on continous sovereignty since 1765. 1833 is only used because a continuous period and occupation are easier for dimwit argies to understand.
4. Self-determination only became a generally-accepted legal concept with the ratification of the UN Charter. A document that argieland signed, ratified but pays no attention to.
Oh, for the days of the Empire, when we could have simply destroyed your armed forces, government, cities and so forth. Still, it's not too late!
@103 You've been reading Salmond's dreams. Scotland won't be 6th. It will be 60th!
@104, 109, 112, 115, 186, 188, 194 Who's a TiT? And neither an inheritor or direct descendant. That makes YOU, literally, a bastard with no legitimate interest. TWAT! TWAT! HypoTWAT! But we'll KILL anyone who says otherwise! Just imagine me kicking your teeth down your throat and then stamping on your face. What a TOTAL wanker! I want to watch you die, screaming!
@121 F.O. sh*te for brains!
@142 How does it feel to be an irrelevant piece of sh*te?
@144 F.O. sh*te for brains!
@145 The evidence is clear. You turds have been LYING to the UN since 1964. 48 YEARS. But it won't matter when you no longer exist!
@162 A “mister” best known as Putrid Jelly. Putrid Jelly will be on the list of “unneeded” when Britain takes over. There are many on the list. Would you like to be on the list?
@164 There are no Chagos Islanders!
@166 The Islands are BRITISH, f*cktwat. And those people who live there will be the people we say can. Like Falkland Islanders!
WATCH OUT FOR FURTHER INSTALMENTS OF ”HOW TO SHOW ARGIES ARE HYSTERICAL BRAIN-DEAD PSYCOPATHIC CRIMINALS!
I have met several argies,intellectuals.who have expressed their opinion that they/the country would be much better off if the British had colonised
Sep 09th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the place instead of the spanish!!!
@271 sammy,
Sep 09th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lts not too late for that, if you're still interested! LOL.
@270 Conqueror,
My boys are fascinated by your posts!
Must come from bloodthirsty computer games.
@259 Rosarino,
The Falklands are not, have never been & never will be, Argentine territory.
However you are living in native Amerindian territory.
You Argentines stole it, after murdering the rightful owners.
You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves. Poltroons.
la Isolda pavota, she keeps touching her toes for the rubbish bloddy english men!
Sep 09th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Miedosa y asquerosa!
@273 Slushie sussie
Sep 10th, 2012 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Miedosa y asquerosa!”
Timid and disgusting????
That's YOU, Sussie!!
LOL
How many men do you bend over for??
Sad little boy.
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL !!! !!
@274
Sep 10th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, Isolde stated she has children...
ummmm...
but,
no “courtesy stiches” in her “vagina neck”....
......ummmmm
no wonder she keeps touching her toes for the bloody rubbish britons.
@275 sussie slutty Arg
Sep 10th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like Isolde's children have been raised and educated well.
Likely, they are more mature than you, and would be shocked by filthy behaviour.
They live a good life in the Falklands while you live in a stinking pest hole in BA!!
LOL laughs on you.
Remember the stupid things you say?
Your mother is very proud of you LOL
SUSSIE BOY
““Cristina looks like me after a day of work. As a working woman I understand her.
I am a strong Argentinean woman,
I have to work real hard turning lots of tricks, lots of man...sometimes 15 a day. But im proud!
But now my arse get screwed all day by many men and some don’t pay just
Bang, bang, bang, ””
Poor mixed up Campora-boy !!
LOL LOL LOL LOL
@276
Sep 10th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hehehe
Isolde is in the islands no wonder she keeps touching her toes...her vagina neck is too big with so many children...but her arse is intact for the bloody rubbish english men...
Poor Isolde/ Skare, Yensere?
Sammy @ 271
Sep 11th, 2012 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's quite usual to hear both Argentines and Uruguayans wish the British forces hadn't been forced out in 1806/1807. Argentina would be more like Canada and less like the 3rd Reich. Perhaps Uruguay would be like New Zealand.
Soozy,
Sep 11th, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really are a disgusting thing, arent you?
l was going to insult you, but that would put me at your level.
Thanks for the support, Troy Tempest.
It is the uneducated just like you Argentines that are the ones who do all the crap comments on mercopress. No wonder your Country are still barbarians because you appear from your lack of knowledge to be still living in the caveman days.
Sep 11th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0OR is it because all of you are so bloody jealous of just what we have in our Country. We are actually living in the present century with every bit of modern technology available to us. There are almost two cars per person. Everyone pretty much has mobile phones as well as access to the internet. We do not have unemp. We are rated as one of the top Countries in the world to visit , Argentina does not even come close to that . We don't trash each others homes as Argentines did when they so call came to liberate us in 1982. But above all we have a first class education system which is something Argentina has not otherwise we would not be seeing these deranged people putting such comments on any of the topics on Mercopress.
To sum it up That is why we are where we are today. Argentina is so backward it is trying to drag us down with it. Time now to start growing up and move forward with the succesfull ones Argentina. If your people spent as much effort in putting your own house in order as you do slagging the Islanders Argentina would be today a great Country. But untill you start changing you will stay the same. Stuck in your lost world.
@279 Isolde
Sep 11th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Soozy,
You really are a disgusting thing, arent you?
l was going to insult you, but that would put me at your level.”
He just makes Argentinians look bad to the rest of the world.
I'm sure even his La Campora superiors are laughing at him and homo-erotic fantasies.
He will be they dumped when he becomes too much of an embarrassment or CFK falls.
I'll bet it will be only a matter of time before Roman Catholic Argentinians beat up the ex-Campora pederast ! LOL LOL
The UK people are know as rubbish bloody english people all around the world...hey! don't blame me if the whole world insults you, damn brits!
Sep 12th, 2012 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@282 Bum boy Sussie
Sep 12th, 2012 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@281
“I'm sure even his La Campora superiors are laughing at him and homo-erotic fantasies. ”
And the UK Crew laughs at you too!!
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
who is 2012, sounds like the lack of medicine in Argentina means that his drugs have run out and he is on here wearing his tin foil hat, dreaming of a relationship with the botox witch CFK and Argentina's claims on owning everything including the moon.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The sad thing is, although Argentina seems to have an issue with self determination and democracy, she obviously believes everyone deserves a vote, including the mentally ill.
Mind you, how do you think the Peronists get so many votes!!
@284 Vbomber
Sep 12th, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is definitely mentally ill.
He portrays himself as “a proud Argentinian woman” living the fast and good life in Tempe Arizona.
I agree with Isolde, he's obviously a mentally ill troll that La Campora or the Argentinian Secret Police have hired to spread chaos online and hamper reasoned debate about Argie gov't issues.
He seems to be a follower of CFK's personality cult. He is particularly sensitive to sexual remarks about CFK :-D
As Isolde noted, he has no particular focus on Falklands.
He IS focused on pederasty and anal sex, though
LOL LOL
I like to provoke him to distract him, but when he gets angry I hope he doesn't torture kittens.
Same rubbish bloody english people!
Sep 13th, 2012 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0They started insulting the argentine leader but don't like to see other insults made directly to Isolde children.
She should have kept her mouth shut! There are many viewers that wants to chop Isolde children's heads for the islanders to boil and make soup.
You see, Isolde, you have made a mess of yourself demanding be called “mrs” and saying you have “children”.
By the way, I post in the Economist, which no one can traspass my web post using my name, or delete my comments.
Because of the UK comments made against my country and the argentine leader this web site is known as a Port-A-John, full of rubbish bloody english crap.
lol
@286 sussie
Sep 13th, 2012 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“boiling children down for soup?”
In a civilised country sussie would be called insane.
In Argentina, sussie is a “patriot”
I am sure Argentina is proud of Sussie, a “good Argentinian”
@286 Soozy-woozy,
Sep 13th, 2012 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0l did compose a bloodthirsty reply to your ravings, puta.
But that would drag me down to your level, puta.
Luckily for you, Mr (?) won't see your stupid rants.
I'll wipe them before he gets home.
You're a wackjob, soozy-dickhead.
Completely insane, Finis
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